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Interesting poll. No real surprises......Though I find it hard to believe HRC scores so well on foreign affiars.

Also see the 18-34 group scores her higher across the board. They are likely unaware of her time as 1st female......(Sorry just can't bring myself to insert "lady" in there.:skull)
 

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40a was real surprising to me as I thought it would be split right down the middle.
 

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It is fascinating that he is "perceived" as a job creator. I guess the whole tariff thing doesn't really sink in.
 

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It is fascinating that he is "perceived" as a job creator. I guess the whole tariff thing doesn't really sink in.

There are people who are voting for a liar and traitor. Very little surprises me in this election lol
 

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It is fascinating that he is "perceived" as a job creator. I guess the whole tariff thing doesn't really sink in.

My guess is that he's started businesses that employ hundreds of people. Just a shot in the dark though.
 

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Why would anyone vote for either candidate? That is the question....The answer? A vote against the other side.

Logical....:yikes
 

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Why would anyone vote for either candidate? That is the question....The answer? A vote against the other side.

Logical....:yikes

It's like choosing between death by fire or suffocation...
 

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It is fascinating that he is "perceived" as a job creator. I guess the whole tariff thing doesn't really sink in.

Teach me about US Tariffs on select incoming goods, and how they effect US jobs !



You told me to be kind Tommy Boy ..........
 

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Study the 1970's and how protectionist tarriffs cause more harm than good. These are leftist economic policies
 

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to have quoted such bullshit here and now !

The world's markets are different, trading partners are different and the commodities are different, the financial markets and borrowing leverages are totally different now . Get up to speed !

The article names Ross Perot, and never mentions his famous statement; "NAFTA will create that sucking sound you hear as all the US jobs will be going out of the country" (paraphrased) The guy was 10,000% CORRECT ! The numbers of US unemployment and just plain unemployed proved him to be correct .

US trade deals are so bad that we have a '65 billion dollar trade deficit' with Mexico . GM engines, wiring harnesses, Oreo's, Carrier air conditioners and many more are being built with cheap labor no insurance, and no EPA in Mexico and shipped INTO the USA with no tariffs . That is one NAFTA crime in itself .

Millions of vehicles/products come into the USA from Asia with small duty fees, while US vehicles going to Japan carry a 99% tariff before they hit land . I tried to export my product to Asia in the 90's, it was impossible to do so, because of the tariffs Asia has in place .

You left wing 'business experts' need to get up to speed with the trade problems we have TODAY, not 75 years ago .

Not one of you can say the USA does not have trade deficits (because it would be a lie), and they are because of bad trade deals, Trump aims to 'ease' these and many other trade problems, even while the left LIES about the real facts .

But I guess that if you had any common sense at all you would not even consider Hillary for COTUS .
You all say Trump is full of bullshit, yet you all want to follow your same old failing path, and that is called insanity .
 

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The reason why we run trade deficits and can't compete on the world stage has everything to do with the 12000 existing tariffs, extreme regulation, highest tax rates, insane social programs, labor unions, liberal dominated political/economic policies, and a Federal Reserve that has printed more fake fiat currency than any nation in history. Inflation is among the ultimate destructive forces in an economy. Erosion of purchasing power kills the middle and lower economic classes and allows government to have more and more power over the citizenry.

Tariffs only make products more expensive, reduce incentive/ability for US companies to be competitive, and empower government politicians.

History forgotten are mistakes repeated.

Both candidates are proposing the same broken liberal economic policies. More regulation, more big govt, more govt meddling in the free market, more sending the car off the cliff at WOT.
 

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you are quoting left wing bullshit and not real 'privately owned, public business data' . Not some Obama lies, the f-ing truth !

The USA IS THE MARKETPLACE ! No other country buys from all over the world like the US consumer . Idiots here go broke buying shit with credit cards they can't pay for, this country is the market everyone all over the world wants to be in .

We could have 10 billion trade tariffs in place, but if they are not the correct amounts against the correct importers, they are worthless . Unfortunately that is what we have today, worthless trade agreements.

You keep being a champion for the losing mess we have now, while economists, business owners, and labor leaders keep telling you that YOU ARE WRONG .

WTF will it take for you stubborn backward thinking liberals to get up to speed ? A f-ing revolution ?

Tariffs will make jobs come back to the USA and not cost the consumers any more money . People buy what they think is 'cheap' or 'low priced', and if producing goods out of the USA is no longer cheap, the jobs come back .

Consider making a product in Kansas, VS China . The cheap/slave labor, no insurance, no EPA, trucking, loading ship containers, unloading, trucking, sales . In the USA, Minimal EPA, workman's comp., normal insurance, short single trucking work to market .

The prices cannot rise by much, because the product must compete in the marketplace .

Once the 'shipping bill added to the border tariff' goes onto products 'Hecho en Mexico', you will see a change, and it won't be at the retail prices .

Asian vehicles 'assembled in USA' also will need to deal with these tariffs, most of the small parts come into the USA from outside sources, and the actual profits still go back to Japan/Asia . Every part that is imported must be charged a tariff as to it's effect on US jobs .

Maybe this will stop some of the problems end users get when they go with the 'lowest bidder' without regard to quality . Much like the TAKATA cheap airbag problems . Or even more important the CHINA SOURCED PET FOOD POISONINGS .

YES, the EPA, and governmental agency's will need to be 're-tuned' to help businesses, but there is no other hope, nor future if we can't get control of this problem . The left wing free trade plan is a total failure, and we must go forward with a FAIR TRADE FUTURE . Or die trying ..........
 

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OK whatever dude.

You sure assume an extreme amount of bullshit. You have no clue what my philosophy is, political beliefs, background, experience, and education is.

On that note, lets just agree to disagree.
 

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We could have 10 billion trade tariffs in place, but if they are not the correct amounts against the correct importers, they are worthless .

Who gets do determine what the 'correct' amount is? a bureaucracy in Washington? :lmao


Tariffs are mandated inefficiency, protection rackets. In the end all they do is burden the consumer for the benefit of a special interest.

If your economy's survival is based on protectionist tariffs you have a lot to re-evaluate, because you are headed down the path of a country like Venezuela.
 

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OK as per usual everyone is very quick to point out what is not or won't work. I don't really see any ideas on what would work. Tarrifs can be bad for an economy that the population is a bunch of fat cats like we are now. This because we really don't want to work to hard for what we get we want lots of stuff and we want i now and we want it cheap. WE created this piece of shit market yet we are bitching about it when it costs us jobs and we bitch about it if it brings jobs back but we have to pay more. so basically al we are good at now is bitching. Wonder if we could market that? There is a never ending supply. Tarrifs are not great but I don't see another answer.
 

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OK as per usual everyone is very quick to point out what is not or won't work. I don't really see any ideas on what would work. Tarrifs can be bad for an economy that the population is a bunch of fat cats like we are now. This because we really don't want to work to hard for what we get we want lots of stuff and we want i now and we want it cheap. WE created this piece of shit market yet we are bitching about it when it costs us jobs and we bitch about it if it brings jobs back but we have to pay more. so basically al we are good at now is bitching. Wonder if we could market that? There is a never ending supply. Tarrifs are not great but I don't see another answer.

How about lifting the overreaching regulatory, paperwork, and other expenses that discourage real entrepreneurship in this country. Make it easier and less costly for people to start and run their own small businesses. And for existing small businesses to grow.... Which Me, RC and a few others have been saying for years, while everyone else is so focused on punishing the market with tariffs.

Tariffs are the easy, short sighted answer, that doesn't pan out. But you know what, that is what America has turned into, what's the quick and easy way out, not the pull yourself up by the bootstraps and do the real work, lay the real foundations that may take a little time to grow.

Stock Market bust, easy fix, we'll create a real estate boom.

Home Prices falling, we'll prop them up with cheap interest to keep the market floating.

Nobody will buy our bonds at low interest, We'll just print our own money and buy them ourselves.


You see, all the problems with the economy over the last 20 years are a direct result of these types of government policies, that ALWAYS fail in the long run.

No one wants to swallow the hard pill, flush the markets, the bad debt and investments, and let the market get back to a real equilibrium, not one where the government keeps putting more weight on either side of the scale to balance it out, and before you know it the entire scale is overloaded and collapses.
 

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How about lifting the overreaching regulatory, paperwork, and other expenses that discourage real entrepreneurship in this country. Make it easier and less costly for people to start and run their own small businesses. And for existing small businesses to grow....
Yup that would help for sure but it would take power away from powerful people no matter who gets in and it may be tough to accomplish but still the right direction.
 

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You left wing 'business experts' need to get up to speed with the trade problems we have TODAY, not 75 years ago .

Not one of you can say the USA does not have trade deficits (because it would be a lie), and they are because of bad trade deals, Trump aims to 'ease' these and many other trade problems, even while the left LIES about the real facts .

Regardless if someone is pro-trade or not; free trade deals, open markets and expanding markets are conservative political policies. Protectionism, guaranteed wages, tariffs which are simply taxes/regulations, are left wing liberal policies.

I accept you want the latter, but at least be honest and call them what they are, Liberal policies.

The USA IS THE MARKETPLACE ! No other country buys from all over the world like the US consumer . Idiots here go broke buying shit with credit cards they can't pay for, this country is the market everyone all over the world wants to be in .


YES, the EPA, and governmental agency's will need to be 're-tuned' to help businesses, but there is no other hope, nor future if we can't get control of this problem . The left wing free trade plan is a total failure, and we must go forward with a FAIR TRADE FUTURE . Or die trying ..........

The total GDP of the USA is only about 23 percent of the worlds GDP and it is falling and will continue to do so. In 1968 America had over 37 percent of total world GDP. To ignore the reality that the world marketplace is getting bigger and we are becoming a smaller portion of it by reducing trade is probably bad long term policy for America's standard of living.

Once again, the left wing agrees with you. Trade protections and tariffs via massively expanding government intervention into markets, (the only way to enact tariffs), and a halt to free trade.

The right is the free trade, anti-union, market based solution view. NAFTA, TPP and other open market trade deals are policies of the right. The policies you and Trump espouse are policies of the left.
 

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How about lifting the overreaching regulatory, paperwork, and other expenses that discourage real entrepreneurship in this country. Make it easier and less costly for people to start and run their own small businesses. And for existing small businesses to grow.... Which Me, RC and a few others have been saying for years, while everyone else is so focused on punishing the market with tariffs.

Tariffs are the easy, short sighted answer, that doesn't pan out. But you know what, that is what America has turned into, what's the quick and easy way out, not the pull yourself up by the bootstraps and do the real work, lay the real foundations that may take a little time to grow.

Stock Market bust, easy fix, we'll create a real estate boom.

Home Prices falling, we'll prop them up with cheap interest to keep the market floating.

Nobody will buy our bonds at low interest, We'll just print our own money and buy them ourselves.


You see, all the problems with the economy over the last 20 years are a direct result of these types of government policies, that ALWAYS fail in the long run.

No one wants to swallow the hard pill, flush the markets, the bad debt and investments, and let the market get back to a real equilibrium, not one where the government keeps putting more weight on either side of the scale to balance it out, and before you know it the entire scale is overloaded and collapses.

its easy to point out all the corrupt faults from the fat politicians and government. i agree with your notion . Let it all circle down the toilet bowl. that is not going to happen..
Until we have some type of overthrow or collapse. looks like the collapse will happen sooner, with the socialist in power.
 
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