Ivermectin..You are not a horse. You are not a cow.

[LargeOrangeFont]

I define it as an agent used to stimulate anti bodies without giving the host the actual virus. The anti bodies either prevent infection or significantly reduce symptoms if infected.

Nobody ever said this shot provided 100% immunity, never. My snarky retort was merely meant to state the other information in the article supporting getting the shot. You just selectively quoted one piece of data.

At this point, you know as well as me we are just arguing for sport. It’s what we do

I’ve never said don’t get the shot. However I’ve said the shot is not what they are saying it is from the beginning. They said “Everyone get this and it will be over.”

As usual, that guidance was completely wrong. The sooner they just get on with saying This is never gonna go away, protect yourselves how you see fit and go about your lives, the better.

 

[FishSniper]

I’ve never said don’t get the shot. However I’ve said the shot is not what they are saying it is from the beginning. They said “Everyone get this and it will be over.”

As usual, that guidance was completely wrong. The sooner they just get on with saying This is never gonna go away, protect yourselves how you see fit and go about your lives, the better.

Spot on.

 

[instagator]

Well,go ahead use Ivermectin,probably will not kill you. On the plus side you will be De Wormed.Parasites growing on your intestines will be killed off,do not over dose,possible holes in intestines,but the parasites will be killed off for awhile. Also our horses always appreciated my wife jamming a hose down their throat to clear it all out. Horses digest food diff than we do,but WTF have at it.

Side affects : you may grow a tail, only sleep while standing, turn vegan ! And the good thing, Increase junk size to Horse standards.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Because efficacy is a debated and relative topic and clearly not binary with valid points on both sides. And if you fall on the side that it has no efficacy or not enough efficacy relative to the risk you should not get it.

His post was a statement of something that is binary and provable, did the CEO of Pfizer get the vaccine or not, whereas efficacy is not binary but relative.

I apologize for thinking you were smart enough to know the difference.

You are going to have to pull your pants up and wash your hands. We don’t need any of that in the pretzel dough today.

This was not a debate of efficacy. We were told get the shot, take off your mask and Covid will be gone. These were claims made by government officials and repeated by the media. These are binary and provable.

I wish you were smart enough to play chess instead of checkers, it might be fun.

 

[copterzach]

I have a family member in the hospital due to Covid. I’m going to call the doctor right now and tell them to her give her Ivermectin stat! Thanks guys.

I would


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[HBCraig]

Because efficacy is a debated and relative topic and clearly not binary with valid points on both sides. And if you fall on the side that it has no efficacy or not enough efficacy relative to the risk you should not get it.

His post was a statement of something that is binary and provable, did the CEO of Pfizer get the vaccine or not, whereas efficacy is not binary but relative.

I apologize for thinking you were smart enough to know the difference.

Take your bullshit nonsense elsewhere. Please. Go back to trolling in the P&G section

 

[GRADS]

Don’t care.
Sucks to suck and have a frail Lennon bloodline

She’s not a Lennon, she’s a Velarde.

 

[monkeyswrench]

So we can hold them responsible for birth defects and the side effects now?

The worst thing I've read thus far isn't the birth defects...of course there may be few, or it may be too early in the show. The stats the CDC had for testing with pregnant women were frightening. Second trimester was listed as a high probability of miscarriage, third was slightly less. But not good by any metric. The first trimester was listed as inconclusive...of their sample, none were carried to term. In their eyes that meant there was not enough data. That may be well and fine, many medicines are not to be used when pregnant...but they warn the populace of such, not bombard the public with ads stressing "everyone" should receive it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The worst thing I've read thus far isn't the birth defects...of course there may be few, or it may be too early in the show. The stats the CDC had for testing with pregnant women were frightening. Second trimester was listed as a high probability of miscarriage, third was slightly less. But not good by any metric. The first trimester was listed as inconclusive...of their sample, none were carried to term. In their eyes that meant there was not enough data. That may be well and fine, many medicines are not to be used when pregnant...but they warn the populace of such, not bombard the public with ads stressing "everyone" should receive it.

“You don’t undastaaand, this vaccine will end the pandemic.” -Anthony Fauci

 

[ultrajet]

'Stop it': FDA warns people not to take veterinary drugs to treat Covid-19

'Stop it': FDA warns people not to take veterinary drugs to treat Covid-19

No form of the ivermectin drug has been approved by the FDA for use in treating or preventing Covid-19 in humans, the agency said.

www.yahoo.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1429050070243192839

As a pharmacist I’ve been dispensing that drug for decades . That goes for hydroxychloroquine too . Both FDA approved drugs for multiple indications in humans . Only in the last year has anybody dared to care what these medications are being used for

 

[Waffles]

She’s not a Lennon, she’s a Velarde.

Doubt it. Velardes don’t harpoon whales

 

[GRADS]

Doubt it. Velardes don’t harpoon whales


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Huh? Makes no sense.

 

[Waffles]

Huh? Makes no sense.

Rub those remaining two brain cells together Greg, I know you have it in you. Make Francis proud for once

 

[GRADS]

Rub those remaining two brain cells together Greg, I know you have it in you. Make Francis proud for once

Again, another post that makes no sense. But I wouldn’t expect any less from someone that slings county bus parts for a living.

 

[boatdoc55]

Again, another post that makes no sense. But I wouldn’t expect any less from someone that slings county bus parts for a living.

If that's the case, good for him!! At least he's working, you on the other hand, are a leach on your wife's income. Quick somebody took a dookie in the back bathroom and left a stain, go get that taken care of dipshit!! Stat

 

[Waffles]

Again, another post that makes no sense. But I wouldn’t expect any less from someone that slings county bus parts for a living.

You also think I live in an apartment complex so there’s that

I could be working at a Carl’s JR and STILL be more accomplished and successful than you.

But let’s assume you really DID know who I really was…..we both know you don’t want the smoke Greg

Unlike you, I actually travel to places outside of my 20 mile safe space radius…..which include Oregon if that’s what you were implying by tagging @squeezer.

Do me a solid though, fuck around so you can find out

 

[RiverDave]

It’s not a vaccine, it never was, or will be. You will be asked to take a covid shot like the flu shot yearly. They don’t call it the seasonal flu vaccine.

Actually upon some research they do..

I was under the impression that the word vaccine meant one and done. I’m not sure if they changed the definition of vaccine recently but it doesn’t mean what I thought it did.. now it’s anything that “may” reduce symptoms

 

[RiverDave]

Yep. Several cases of Covid patients getting rid of their symptoms and virus in 48 to 72 hours. Git my prescription this week just in case.

As far as Pfizer, the CEO has opted to not get the Vax. That's all you need to know

where did you read about the ceo?

 

[Angler]

Pfizer, the CEO was unable to travel to Israel due to not having been fully vaccinated but I think that was in March.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news...lled-because-he-is-unvaccinated-report-661100

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Actually upon some research they do..

I was under the impression that the word vaccine meant one and done. I’m not sure if they changed the definition of vaccine recently but it doesn’t mean what I thought it did.. now it’s anything that “may” reduce symptoms

99% of the messaging around the flu shot is that it is just that.. a shot. Technically, yea it is a vaccine for the stains of the flu they guess will be the dominant ones. It’s not a vaccine for all flus.

Tell anyone that got the flu after the flu shot they got a flu vaccination and they will laugh at you.

The covid shot is a flu shot in practice. It was never sold as a flu shot. It was sold as the end to the pandemic.

Why are we taking a 3rd round of sonething we know is not that effective? I get that it helps a little, but where is the Delta vaccine? Why is no one talking about “vaccine“ 2.0?

I’ve said this for a year, we will be getting a yearly “covid shot” every year for the rest of our lives. It will be just like the Flu shot.. 1/3 of the people that get it, it knocks them on their ass with “flu like symptoms” for a few days.

That is precisely why I don’t get flu shots. I’ll take getting sick with the flu for a few days every 10-12 years over feeling like crap for a couple days every year.

 

[Drew]

As a pharmacist I’ve been dispensing that drug for decades . That goes for hydroxychloroquine too . Both FDA approved drugs for multiple indications in humans . Only in the last year has anybody dared to care what these medications are being used for

as a pharmacist you must be doing the jabs. Can you confirm that there is no words on the paper work that comes with the vaccine in the box? I believe it says intentionally blank. Would normally list side effects etc.

 

[ultrajet]

as a pharmacist you must be doing the jabs. Can you confirm that there is no words on the paper work that comes with the vaccine in the box? I believe it says intentionally blank. Would normally list side effects etc.

I can only speak for the Moderna vaccine and there are no package inserts that I’ve seen detailing anything about the vaccine . All info available you get from the Moderna website . Even expiration dates you have to retrieve from website

 

[Drew]

I can only speak for the Moderna vaccine and there are no package inserts that I’ve seen detailing anything about the vaccine . All info available you get from the Moderna website . Even expiration dates you have to retrieve from website

Is that normal?

 

[was thatguy]

Because efficacy is a debated and relative topic and clearly not binary with valid points on both sides. And if you fall on the side that it has no efficacy or not enough efficacy relative to the risk you should not get it.

His post was a statement of something that is binary and provable, did the CEO of Pfizer get the vaccine or not, whereas efficacy is not binary but relative.

I apologize for thinking you were smart enough to know the difference.

Asparagus makes my pee smell...

 

[ultrajet]

Is that normal?

No it’s not but these vaccines are emergency use as stated on the containers . There is no data really for them to share technically

 

[HBCraig]

where did you read about the ceo?

Instagram. One of my buddies pulled it off of there.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Asparagus makes my pee smell...

“In a society with true conservative leadership urine is free to choose what it smells like. It is not to be bound by chemical reactions in the body and further the asparagus is free to choose not to be consumed by you. It is antithetical to conservative principles such that this can be undeniable. It is unfortunate that we’ve drifted so far from small government socialism under your elected leaders and I’m aghast and appalled at the revelation that you find it equivocal that urine only smells after you consume asparagus.

I’m sorry you are not more hypocritical and therefore capable of understanding my musings on conservative thought.” -Jeff Flake‘s friend in time.

 

[SNiC Jet]

“In a society with true conservative leadership urine is free to choose what it smells like. It is not to be bound by chemical reactions in the body and further the asparagus is free to choose not to be consumed by you. It is antithetical to conservative principles such that this can be undeniable. It is unfortunate that we’ve drifted so far from small government socialism under your elected leaders and I’m aghast and appalled at the revelation that you find it equivocal that urine only smells after you consume asparagus.

I’m sorry you are not more hypocritical and therefore capable of understanding my musings on conservative thought.” -Jeff Flake‘s friend in time.

OMG....it does appear you have successfully decoded and replicated the infamous pretzel recipe.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Not sure where anyone got the impression that vaccines are one and done, or why when it comes to covid 2 plus a possible booster is some kind of illuminati conspiracy.

Heres a snapshot of what california requires K-12.

https://eziz.org/assets/docs/IMM-231.pdf

 

[Uncle Dave]

Another thing thats weird to me is the concept that everything but the covid vax has 100% efficacy - they dont, and they never have.

One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella.
Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps. MMR is an attenuated (weakened) live virus vaccine.

 

[regor]

Another thing thats weird to me is the concept that everything but the covid vax has 100% efficacy - they dont, and they never have.

One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella.
Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps. MMR is an attenuated (weakened) live virus vaccine.

Pfizer isn't even in the ballpark of those numbers and let me ask you this UD.

Why were we ALWAYS told that treating the common cold and flu with antibiotics would create super viruses, but we're not now?

And for argument's sake, let's clarify for those who don't know, covid is a coronavirus aka the flu.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Another thing thats weird to me is the concept that everything but the covid vax has 100% efficacy - they dont, and they never have.

One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella.
Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps. MMR is an attenuated (weakened) live virus vaccine.

Responding to your 2 points -

We we’re told get the shot(s), take off your mask and get back to a normal life. That was a lie to get everyone to take the shot.

No one in government was telling us this is never going away, even now in fact very few are.

Anyone that can read and has half a brain knew this was not going to be get the shot and covid is gone.

The efficacy of this shot is proving to be way below what was sold. Now if that is because they made the “vaccine” for the wrong strain, or the vaccine just sucks, remains to be seen.

People don’t want to take it because of distrust. We have been lied to and misled on this thing for 18 months by everyone in government on both side of the aisle.

To your point, there are no guarantees in life. Being worried about putting something in your body that might cause you harm in a decade is dumb because we are taking things, eating things, breathing things and coming into contact wirh things that could harm us in 10 years daily.

As to why I haven’t taken it - I generally don’t get version 1.0 of anything. I usually let other people work out the bugs on new things. Why should I take a vaccine that does not prevent me from getting or spreading the virus when the shot has weird potential side effects. I am in good health anyway and the odds are I will recover from Covid just fine.

My Speed UTV is the first 1.0 new thing I have bought in my life, and I hope I don’t regret it.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Responding to your 2 points -

We we’re told get the shot(s), take off your mask and get back to a normal life. That was a lie to get everyone to take the shot.

No one in government was telling us this is never going away, even now in fact very few are.

Anyone that can read and has half a brain knew this was not going to be get the shot and covid is gone.

The efficacy of this shot is proving to be way below what was sold. Now if that is because they made the “vaccine” for the wrong strain, or the vaccine just sucks, remains to be seen.

People don’t want to take it because of distrust. We have been lied to and misled on this thing for 18 months by everyone in government on both side of the aisle.

To your point, there are no guarantees in life. Being worried about putting something in your body that might cause you harm in a decade is dumb because we are taking things, eating things, breathing things and coming into contact wirh things that could harm us in 10 years daily.

As to why I haven’t taken it - I generally don’t get version 1.0 of anything. I usually let other people work out the bugs on new things. Why should I take a vaccine that does not prevent me from getting or spreading the virus when the shot has weird potential side effects. I am in good health anyway and the odds are I will recover from Covid just fine.

My Speed UTV is the first 1.0 new thing I have bought in my life, and I hope I don’t regret it.

In that any vaccine is a gamble against its own effects vs the disease its for you have three efficacies to look at .

1. Simply getting it and being mildly sick and being able to transmit it.
2. Becoming severely sick hospitalized
3. Becoming dead.

The only efficacy thats not outstanding is #1 and its still pretty good and inline with historical (the MRNA's are as is sputnik )

The chance of you becoming dead is and always was small, but the the chance of becoming severely ill and hospitalized is and always was much larger.

Im GenX we trust no one. I dont trust anyone (never have) so I understand that.

Whats odd about the trust factor is that peoples kids or they themselves have had dozens of vax's from the very same manufacturers that they then say they dont trust with the covid vax???

 

[Hoodoo]

I’m not saying I’ll never get the vaccine but here in Sarasota co, 57% of the current hospitalizations are fully vaccinated peeps.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Pfizer isn't even in the ballpark of those numbers and let me ask you this UD.

Why were we ALWAYS told that treating the common cold and flu with antibiotics would create super viruses, but we're not now?

And for argument's sake, let's clarify for those who don't know, covid is a coronavirus aka the flu.

Latest data Ive seen shows the MRNA's show no decline in efficacy against hospitalization and death and are at something like 87%

What seems to decline is is effectiveness against getting and retransmitting with mild cases. Poeple seem to latch onto this to claim " it doenst work" which is a big stretch.

I didnt see anything that talked about antibiotic overuse not causing resistant strains, I think thats still the case with things like MRSA.

Covid and the flue are both respiratory illnesses, but covid is not the flue, and the flu is not covid - the cause of the flu is the influenza virus, and the cause fo covid is the covid virus.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

In that any vaccine is a gamble against its own effects vs the disease its for you have three efficacies to look at .

1. Simply getting it and being mildly sick and being able to transmit it.
2. Becoming severely sick hospitalized
3. Becoming dead.

The only efficacy thats not outstanding is #1 and its still pretty good and inline with historical (the MRNA's are as is sputnik )

The chance of you becoming dead is and always was small, but the the chance of becoming severely ill and hospitalized is and always was much larger.

Im GenX we trust no one. I dont trust anyone (never have) so I understand that.

Whats odd about the trust factor is that peoples kids or they themselves have had dozens of vax's from the very same manufacturers that they then say they dont trust with the covid vax???

There is a subset of people that trusts no vax period.

My thought is that the longer this goes, the less effective we will see the vaccine become. It went from 2% vaccinated are hospitalized, up to 12%, and that number is trending higher week by week. And in some places like in the post above from FL, vaccinated or not does not seem to matter. The vaccine is just a piece of paper. If we don’t have a handle on how effective it is In the body, and how long it lasts, the shot is meaningless.

The best analogy I can give you is that even people that people still buy Fords after owning shitty Ford models. We rarely believe that an entire company is infallible and incapable of producing a bad product. Add in that these shots are not approved by even the FDA and you have a recipe for what we are experiencing today.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I’m not saying I’ll never get the vaccine but here in Sarasota co, 57% of the current hospitalizations are fully vaccinated peeps. View attachment 1041158

Thank you for this data point. I think as Delta spreads this will be the case across the country.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I’m not saying I’ll never get the vaccine but here in Sarasota co, 57% of the current hospitalizations are fully vaccinated peeps. View attachment 1041158

This is not the national trend however.

The bigger question is what is the national average of those hospitalized that are vaccinated vs those that are not.

 

[Uncle Dave]

There is a subset of people that trusts no vax period.

My thought is that the longer this goes, the less effective we will see the vaccine become. It went from 2% vaccinated are hospitalized, up to 12%, and it trending higher week by week. And in some places like in the post above from FL, vaccinated or not does not seem to matter.

The best analogy I can give you is that even people that people still buy Fords after owning shitty Ford models. We rarely believe that an entire company is infallible and incapable of producing a bad product. Add in that these shots are not approved by even the FDA and you have a recipe for what we are experiencing today.

The FDA approval is a big deal and is likely to change very soon.

I expect little will change upon approval anyway.

People that are simply anti vax will find other reasons not to do it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The FDA approval is a big deal and is likely to change very soon.

I expect little will change upon approval anyway.

People that are simply anti vax will find other reasons not to do it.

My stance isn’t going to change with FDA approval. And I’m not going to go take a shot every 4 months, which is pretty much what is going to happen with the current shot.

At this point you are right, the FDA approval is meaningless, because no one believes the proper tests and certs were done to begin with.

 

[was thatguy]

None of this will matter once the Taliban lands here...

 

[Uncle Dave]

My stance isn’t going to change with FDA approval. And I’m not going to go take a shot every 4 months, which is pretty much what is going to happen with the current shot.

At this point you are right, the FDA approval is meaningless, because no one believes the proper tests and certs were done to begin with.

I get your point but dont see it going there.

With testing showing that maximum antibodies and resulting protection comes from the 2 vax plus actually getting it.

I cant see more than 2 plus a booster for certain older individuals. Well be going backwards at that point.

 

[Uncle Dave]

None of this will matter once the Taliban lands here...

HaHa!

The only reason any of them are alive is that they always surrounded themselves with women and children.

In an actual war they would be eradicated.

 

[hallett3]

I guess his percentage didn’t work well. A lot of people die with vaccinations and none vaccinated. All I know is that more people dying when they vent. Maybe they should look at how to treat better in hospitals than arguing who’s vaccinated or not. https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/fully-vaccinated-southwest-flight-attendant-dies-of-covid-19/amp/

 

[SBMech]

The FDA approval is a big deal and is likely to change very soon.

I expect little will change upon approval anyway.

People that are simply anti vax will find other reasons not to do it.

Like a healthy immune system?

Faith in high school science class that apparently 98% of the country has forgotten where they taught you how your immune system worked?

For a guy who claims to want to allow everyone the freedom to choose, you are championing the vax pretty hard UD.

Can you honestly say you believe ANYTHING that is produced into media currently? IMO there is no possible way to prove anything presented, since all the input has been garbage.

Garbage in = garbage out.

Just the bare facts alone should be enough to promote severe doubt:

The tests they have been using are at best %50 accurate, and they cannot tell the difference between CV19 and any other CV virus. That alone wrecks everything.

Proven links from the lab to fausi to pfizer.

Mask science simply incorrect.

Response to "pandemic" is to offer a lotto for cash to get jabbed....seriously out of everything else, if this was so serious as to shut down the economy and society....

WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO PAY PEOPLE TO TAKE A SO CALLED VAXINE?

This whole thing is bullshit, not saying CV19 is not real, nor deadly to a small fraction of a percent of humans, but on the whole, this is a steaming pile of horse shit.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I guess his percentage didn’t work well. A lot of people die with vaccinations and none vaccinated. All I know is that more people dying when they vent. Maybe they should look at how to treat better than arguing who’s vaccinated or not. https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/fully-vaccinated-southwest-flight-attendant-dies-of-covid-19/amp/

Vaccinated people will continue to die. You will read about that forever.

The question is really whats the exception and what the rule ?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I get your point but dont see it going there.

With testing showing that maximum antibodies and resulting protection comes from the 2 vax plus actually getting it.

I cant see more than 2 plus a booster for certain older individuals. Well be going backwards at that point.

None of us have the real answer, but why are we seeing the vaccinated % in hospital increase? I think in another 3-6 months we will at least have an answer, and if it is real or not.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Vaccinated people will continue to die. You will read about that forever.

The question is really whats the exception and what the rule ?

If 1% less vaccinated people die than unvaccinated then everyone will say the vaccine “works” while we still all have to wear masks and stay indoors

 

[Uncle Dave]

Like a healthy immune system?

Faith in high school science class that apparently 98% of the country has forgotten where they taught you how your immune system worked?

For a guy who claims to want to allow everyone the freedom to choose, you are championing the vax pretty hard UD.

Can you honestly say you believe ANYTHING that is produced into media currently? IMO there is no possible way to prove anything presented, since all the input has been garbage.

Garbage in = garbage out.

Just the bare facts alone should be enough to promote severe doubt:

The tests they have been using are at best %50 accurate, and they cannot tell the difference between CV19 and any other CV virus. That alone wrecks everything.

Proven links from the lab to fausi to pfizer.

Mask science simply incorrect.

Response to "pandemic" is to offer a lotto for cash to get jabbed....seriously out of everything else, if this was so serious as to shut down the economy and society....

WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO PAY PEOPLE TO TAKE A SO CALLED VAXINE?

This whole thing is bullshit, not saying CV19 is not real, nor deadly to a small fraction of a percent of humans, but on the whole, this is a steaming pile of horse shit.

I still run a freedom of choice workplace - and its my call.

Masks help, but very little.

The truth at this stage basically says the the vax takes a large edge off covid hospitalization and death and helps with infection and transmission.

There is no 100% anything with any vax. This that or any one.

 

[Uncle Dave]

If 1% less vaccinated people die than unvaccinated then everyone will say the vaccine “works” while we still all have to wear masks and stay indoors

Hospitalization and severe sickness is far more worrisome than death.

If we end up with roughly the same amounts of people in the hospital, then we are looking at outcomes. The backpedaling on the vaccine will be what you just stated.