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First LAPD Cuts Hit Gang, Homicide, Sexual Assault Units
9 Of 10 Officers Would Retire Now If They Could

Alex Comisar, a spokesman for Garcetti, said the city is “reimagining” public safety along with community leaders, and Garcetti “trusts the LAPD’s ability to make the operational changes necessary to keep our city safe, and help us meet this moment in partnership with all Angelenos.” But this “reimagining” will come at a huge price, one that anyone who has ever been involved in the criminal justice field or even who just has a brain can figure out.

First LAPD Cuts Hit Gang, Homicide, Sexual Assault Units; 9 Of 10 Officers Would Retire Now If They Could

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[boatpi]

I know for a fact that 500-600 have submitted detainment docs the the pension commission for retirement in January.

 

[FlyByWire]

Wait til Gascon takes over. You ain’t seen shit yet.

 

[stephenkatsea]

Sounds to me like Garcetti and the city officials are putting the reduction in funding and its ability to operate on LAPD, "trusts LAPD's ability to make the operational changes to keep our city safe". WTF ! What a friggin' worm.

 

[Havasu blue label]

Retirement pay and no overtime and no car to take home here comes the sell off

 

[PaPaG]

These idiots in California are cutting their own throats...not only are they turning their state into a third world they are forcing hard working Americans to lose their jobs, homes, investments and futures....F California.....and any other state that picks this direction...they deserve everything they get...

 

[hallett3]

I know for a fact that 500-600 have submitted detainment docs the the pension commission for retirement in January.

I can’t wait to see this happen. Plus your having more leaving to other Departments. So probably 2021 you might have 700 or more. Plus the city wants to Re open and renegotiate the contract. ( Good luck with that). So as they say “GOOD LUCK LA DUMB FUCKS”.

 

[TITTIES AND BEER]

I work in Callie don’t know for how much longer ? Time will tell

 

[LowRiver2]

I know for a fact that 500-600 have submitted detainment docs the the pension commission for retirement in January.

We’re over 800 retiring for 2021 total projections
I predict north of 1100 and another 200-300 lateral to other departments

 

[Doc]

LASD has 600 people that put in for retirement for March 2021 with 0 new recruitment classes as of now due to cuts also from what I am hearing.

 

[boatpi]

Anybody with less than five years I’ll guarantee it was look in the lateral out to other departments they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

the other departments need people desperately now they get them with top-notch LA PD or LASD training.

 

[LowRiver2]

Our League letter to the City regarding reopening our contract:
I’d wager DROP (controversial retirement plan), is going nowhere as the city will be begging for those of us still here to stay longer.
I’ve said here long ago to tighten up your security measures if you live, work, or own property in LA.
“No one is coming , it’s up to us” better be the motto people adopt as resources will be dramatically thinned in the next 6 months.

 

[RadMan]

What would be normal retirement quantity in years leading up to 2020 for LA. I know I’d try to leave too.

 

[LowRiver2]

Anybody with less than five years I’ll guarantee it was look in the lateral out to other departments they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

the other departments need people desperately now they get them with top-notch LA PD or LASD training.

100%
With Anaheim having the ability to make $200k a year as a patrol Cop once the stadium and arenas open back up, there is no reason to stay unless old like me.
First time ever we had less than 100 applicants for a Bomb Tech spot. Was about 50. Most said they are leaving vs getting into a specialized field.
Department closed our two tech openings and said they won’t be coming back for years.
We will lose 8 techs over the next four years.
Takes two years to get a tech able to handle basic calls.
Will be working a lot of forced O/T then with no one to answer calls.

 

[LowRiver2]

What would be normal retirement quantity in years leading up to 2020 for LA. I know I’d try to leave too.

About 150-200
DROP program makes it hard to gauge exact numbers
Prior to 2020 we were graduating around 150-175 so pretty much had even level of sworn numbers.

Once 50 and 25 years on, you can enter DROP.
You have to leave at 5 years once entered but can leave at any time.
Average length was 3 years in Drop, has shrunk to 18 months when guys/gals pull the pin.

 

[TPC]

Strong talk from my LAPD friends they are going to skip DROP and bail out at first chance in this current atmosphere.

Turd Garcetti is trying hard for a post in DC and leave this mess behind.
I can't remember LA ever having an unpopular Mayor like this clown.
He takes the prize.

 

[TPC]

Anybody with less than five years I’ll guarantee it was look in the lateral out to other departments they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

the other departments need people desperately now they get them with top-notch LA PD or LASD training.

If I had a child on the LAPD I'd do everything to get them to lateral out.

 

[hallett3]

If I had a child on the LAPD I'd do everything to get them to lateral out.

I had two on LAPD. One left this past July to Havasu PD and loves it. The other one is still on LAPD. He has 11 years on. He’s looking to leave also.

 

[LowRiver2]

Strong talk from my LAPD friends they are going to skip DROP and bail out at first chance in this current atmosphere.

Turd Garcetti is trying hard for a post in DC and leave this mess behind.
I can't remember LA ever having an unpopular Mayor like this clown.
He takes the prize.

Bradley was just as hated by Cops, but Daryl Gates was the buffer to protect the Department.
No one to protect the troops now, just knee taker , head bobbing Moore to do whatever Garcetti wants.

 

[LowRiver2]

I actually was hired to leave to Orange PD in 98’ and Anacime in 2000. I decided to stay for different reasons each time.
I don’t regret it as my skill sets now will keep me employed well after retirement if I want.
Anyone under 15 years should bail out of LAPD if not in a place they can see as their final assignment. Too many other Departments that will treat you better and back you.
No one is signing up anywhere (qualified candidates)

 

[LowRiver2]

Wait til Gascon takes over. You ain’t seen shit yet.

I’ve seen the three Officer involved shootings he’s vowed to file charges against Cops on his website:
LAPD homeless OIS:
I don’t think Gascon will win at trial

Torrance PD OIS:
No way even in LA County will a jury convict on that

Gardena PD:
Those Officers better have good attorneys, I don’t see the action that led to deadly force

 

[LowRiver2]

Strong talk from my LAPD friends they are going to skip DROP and bail out at first chance in this current atmosphere.

Turd Garcetti is trying hard for a post in DC and leave this mess behind.
I can't remember LA ever having an unpopular Mayor like this clown.
He takes the prize.

Skipping DROP is a big decision if 20 years on or over.

All depends on what assignment and what Command you work under

1/2 the Command will know to not push anyone for numbers
Other 1/2 will push and get sued.
Interesting years ahead.

 

[River Runnin]

ALL Leo's in Commifornia should take at least 60 days off Sick leave! -- No exceptions!

 

[was thatguy]

There is another metric to this.
Ya know how all the junkies migrate to the most junkie friendly states and cities?
SF, LA, etc? Hell, they even leave Seattle (the former heroin Mecca) for SoCal now and why wouldn’t they?
I don’t know or really care about the exact numbers, but I’d wager a big chunk of the junkie army in LA and the Bay area are from out of county.

Well...predators do the same thing. They go where the pickings are easiest, and ROI is highest.
LA is full of gangsters, dope fiends, killers, etc like any major city.
You have freelance thugs and you have structured criminal enterprises.
These predators have only one obstacle...and that obstacle is being gutted.
Simple laws of nature dictate that the predators will migrate to this area of least resistance and high reward...in effect compounding and exacerbating the negative impact of reduced law enforcement.
It’s hard to imagine just how bad it’s going to get there.

 

[LowRiver2]

There is another metric to this.
Ya know how all the junkies migrate to the most junkie friendly states and cities?
SF, LA, etc? Hell, they even leave Seattle (the former heroin Mecca) for SoCal now and why wouldn’t they?
I don’t know or really care about the exact numbers, but I’d wager a big chunk of the junkie army in LA and the Bay area are from out of county.

Well...predators do the same thing. They go where the pickings are easiest, and ROI is highest.
LA is full of gangsters, dope fiends, killers, etc like any major city.
You have freelance thugs and you have structured criminal enterprises.
These predators have only one obstacle...and that obstacle is being gutted.
Simple laws of nature dictate that the predators will migrate to this area of least resistance and high reward...in effect compounding and exacerbating the negative impact of reduced law enforcement.
It’s hard to imagine just how bad it’s going to get there.

Had a suspicious package call last week on the Venice Boardwalk
There were so many homeless camped on both sides of the boardwalk, Patrol didn’t bother evacuating the tents.
I watched two 20 something college guys riding a beach cruiser drunk plow into a pole as I was putting my gear away. I was thinking “keep hanging around here guys and you’ll be in the tents along with every other vagrant”.
The city is officially a dumpster fire with lots of “fuel” on the way

 

[Danger Dave]

I bet the weather is still spectacular though.

 

[LowRiver2]

I bet the weather is still spectacular though.

It’s the reason vagrants and millionaire’s cram themselves together over there lol.

 

[SkyDirtWaterguy]

SoCal is looking and sounding like Mexico [emoji1166] more and more everyday

 

[thetub]

There is another metric to this.
Ya know how all the junkies migrate to the most junkie friendly states and cities?
SF, LA, etc? Hell, they even leave Seattle (the former heroin Mecca) for SoCal now and why wouldn’t they?
I don’t know or really care about the exact numbers, but I’d wager a big chunk of the junkie army in LA and the Bay area are from out of county.

Well...predators do the same thing. They go where the pickings are easiest, and ROI is highest.
LA is full of gangsters, dope fiends, killers, etc like any major city.
You have freelance thugs and you have structured criminal enterprises.
These predators have only one obstacle...and that obstacle is being gutted.
Simple laws of nature dictate that the predators will migrate to this area of least resistance and high reward...in effect compounding and exacerbating the negative impact of reduced law enforcement.
It’s hard to imagine just how bad it’s going to get there.

and dont forget about the great weather...

no really crazy as it sounds this is most desirable place to be with the year round mild weather and beaches...

its the Mecca for them...

 

[was thatguy]

and dont forget about the great weather...

no really crazy as it sounds this is most desirable place to be with the year round mild weather and beaches...

its the Mecca for them...

Perfect time to cross train into a city coroner position...or just open up a cremation facility.

 

[Doc]

What would be normal retirement quantity in years leading up to 2020 for LA. I know I’d try to leave too.

I hear 300 is considered high for a year. Maybe some of the resident law enforcement guys can confirm.

 

[WhatExit?]

Our League letter to the City regarding reopening our contract:
I’d wager DROP (controversial retirement plan), is going nowhere as the city will be begging for those of us still here to stay longer.
I’ve said here long ago to tighten up your security measures if you live, work, or own property in LA.
“No one is coming , it’s up to us” better be the motto people adopt as resources will be dramatically thinned in the next 6 months.

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[Bobby V]

I bet the weather is still spectacular though.

 

[Ballyhoo]

Wait til Gascon takes over. You ain’t seen shit yet.

^^^^This will be the stake in the heart.

 

[Ballyhoo]

I actually was hired to leave to Orange PD in 98’ and Anacime in 2000. I decided to stay for different reasons each time.
I don’t regret it as my skill sets now will keep me employed well after retirement if I want.
Anyone under 15 years should bail out of LAPD if not in a place they can see as their final assignment. Too many other Departments that will treat you better and back you.
No one is signing up anywhere (qualified candidates)

I don't think the LAPD retirement system has reciprocity with any other retirement systems; PERS, Lacera etc... This makes it tough for many depending on the time you have on the job. The more time on the more difficult it becomes financially. Guys can still leave LAPD but will either need to freeze their LAPD pension or cash it out. Cashing out is likely a poor financial decision. In any event, peace of mind is priceless. I could not see staying for the long term.

 

[traquer]

I don't know much at all about cop shops, but I'm worried what happens after they are gutted and need to be filled back up later?

Soros stacking the courts is one of many steps, what happens when they stack the departments with brainwashed young and underpaid cops following "legal orders" from the state of california?

 

[LazyLavey]

Strong talk from my LAPD friends they are going to skip DROP and bail out at first chance in this current atmosphere.

Turd Garcetti is trying hard for a post in DC and leave this mess behind.
I can't remember LA ever having an unpopular Mayor like this clown.
He takes the prize.

Skipping DROP is a huge sacrifice.... LEOs have been through the budget cuts and moral issues before but not like this

For anybody not taking advantage of DROP indicates it's a serious issue like we've never seen before.... Can't say I blame them for bailing

 

[Flyinbowtie]

One of my BIL's is a Lt. with LASD.

He is 51. Been with the dept. 25ish.
He has a great assignment right now, and has resisted every effort by his wife (daughter of retired LAPD homicide detective) to et out sooner. He wants to do 4 more, but said if they transfer him he will "do something".
My wife talked to him yesterday. With Gascon and the other defunding stuff starting he is starting to look at options.

Other BIL is 30 years retail clerks down there. He started at 17 with Vons. His wife is a special, special ed teacher serving seriously disabled students for a county. She travels all over the place and makes serious $. Master degree, etc. She wants to stay, but he is pushing hard to GTFO. His requirements are a drag strip and a shop at home and a way to support his salt water aquarium habit.

I would love for him to follow us...but she wants major retail therapy close, and I don't mean a walmart, LOL.

If I was a cop in LA County I would be looking at options, and looking now. If retirement is less than 5 out...it is harder. But if you are young, start looking, and know that a whole lot of good cops are doing the same thing, so it might not be a cakewalk to get in where you want to be. At least not for long....when the stampede starts to get outta there, when Gascon files on an innocent cop, the dust will be visible from a long ways out.

When you look at all the moving parts...gov that hates the cops and is hell bent on defunding, agency heads who can't/won't fight back, short staffed shifts, lack of prosecution for serious crimes now misdemeanors, a prosecutor with a hate for cops, and there is no way on earth a guy with options would stay or go there.

 

[WhatExit?]

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Coming soon to the Phoenix metro area. Weather sucks though....

 

[Danger Dave]

When you look at all the moving parts...gov that hates the cops and is hell bent on defunding, agency heads who can't/won't fight back, short staffed shifts, lack of prosecution for serious crimes now misdemeanors, a prosecutor with a hate for cops, and there is no way on earth a guy with options would stay or go there.

Don't forget you can surf and snowboard/ski in the same day.

 

[brgrcru]

My hate for democrat voters and there politicians have never been stronger.
Fuck both scumbags to hell ...

 

[Flyinbowtie]

I don't know much at all about cop shops, but I'm worried what happens after they are gutted and need to be filled back up later?

Soros stacking the courts is one of many steps, what happens when they stack the departments with brainwashed young and underpaid cops following "legal orders" from the state of california?

Good point. Here is the deal.
Numbers only tell a part of the story. An important part...but only part.
Back when I was working, when the earth was still cooling, we in the FTO game in this state used to meet a couple times a year to talk shop. It costs a lot of money to train people, and we like to steal ideas from each other, and learn from each others mistakes and successes.
Back then we had it roughed out that if a tenured, non-probationary cop with his basic POST certificate (successful academy, passyou don'ed FTO and put in the time to get his "license" to be a cop left the agency and we had to train one up from a simple academy graduate it would be 3-5 years before that "new guy" knew just about everything necessary to get him through whatever came in, and he was safe enough to not have the sgt. worrying anymore about him than the rest of the team on shift.

It was a known but rarely whispered fact that cops were most at risk in the first 5 years. So, that tenured, the day that POST certiified beat cop leaves the shift you are looking at a couple of years before his replacement is completely up to speed. That is a long time.
Trying to replace someone like Lowriver2, with a huge box of training and education certs, and the practical experience to really maximize those book learnin' papers? Yeah....hold on to yer shorts.

Think of the skilled trades out there that have training programs...and all they have to learn beyond the day they get the journeyman card...think of the college grads that show up at the accounting office with their sheepskin proudly framed, who have not a clue how the real world works...

Not perfect comparisons, but you get the idea.

Now...lets say those 1100-2000 people LR2 mentioned go, and another 300 tenured, licensed, experienced cops who are at the bleeding edge of knowin' how to do the work...leave.
And the academy isn't even running. All that are out there are laterals. Which means one of those tenured cops from another county where things almost have to be better, is going to have to look at LAPD or LASD or the agencies in LA County who Gascon prosecutes for, and say to themselves, "ya know, they are making good money there, I'ma go apply and leave this place.

That ain't gonna happen. According to LR2 it has already started
So...the city, or county, whilst rubbing their hands together in a great shit eating socialist grin, will "take a look at hiring standards, and "make fairness adjustments" and ya know who they will scoop up?

Laterals who are failing FTO programs in other agencies and are offered a chance to leave before failing probation.
Laterals who have graduated from some city college academy that does not work with local agencies, just churns out "graduates" with academy certs, people who have just made the program, that have no interest in working for any agency in particular, but want a JOB, with BENEFITS, and they are shotgunning the application process. Applying everywhere.

The ones you don't want, your FTO's absolutely don't want, your sergeants don't want, the FTO Sergeant sees as nothing but a disaster requiring reems of paper to get rid of....those are the people you will get.

The good thing is a sharp oral examination board can see these people just by reading their application and resume' and then hearing them speak for 5 minutes will confirm the sad truth.
The bad thing is the HR people will look at them and say, "well, we had 8 fill out interest cards online, 4 didn't fill out the application, 2 missed their appointment today, and the other one left when he/she realized they were going to have to work nights, weekends, and holidays, and could not go straight to detectives because he/she worked loss prevention at Target before going to the academy over the the city college."
The other one?
That is the one you have in front of you in the oral board.
And that is your choice, take 'em or leave 'em.
If you take em you will spend 80 o 100k in todays dollars to put him through the FTO program, (training officers and training sergeants don't work for free), as you pay the person. You have a year probation to find a way to create a cop where one does not exist, or prove they cannot cut the mustard and terminate from probation.
So losing these people when you have no one in the pipeline to replace them, so...as they leave at rates heretofore unheard of, it is going to suck the knowledge base of your agency as fast as the budget was cut. A giant sucking sound as experience, education both book learned and street learned, and all the communication skills that go with them leave a hole that will take a decade to fill,

And that is IF the people rise up and demand the fix it, and fire the politicians that are responsible for it in the first place, when the realization hits that social workers responding to domestic disputes and traditional cop calls is a giant disaster, and the cops are gonna hafta go anyway to save their asses...
Yup. It ain't gonna get better down there. Hell it ain't gonna get better in any metro area who has adopted this horsehit plan of
"re-imagining da Po-lice".

 

[jet496]

Our good friend's 27 year old son will be exiting the police dept here in San Diego. Said it was a big mistake & will be out soon, but they just promoted him & gave him a raise, otherwise he'd be gone already.

It's a good time to be a criminal.

 

[Havasu blue label]

fbI is accepting under 30 with degree and atf same

 

[LowRiver2]

I HIGHLY suggest you read this if you have vehicles parked in LA:

San Francisco currently has car break ins at a rate of one every 12 seconds:

New Soros-backed LA District Attorney vows to reopen 30 officer-involved-shooting cases

All 30 of the cases weren’t prosecuted by the former DA’s office, but were the focal points of protests over the past few years.

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

 

[LowRiver2]

fbI is accepting under 30 with degree and atf same

Mandatory retirement for both agencies at 55 and horrible pensions, like 60% max.

Austin Tx. Has NO cap on 3% a year pension matrix.

Very rare to get that .

 

[LowRiver2]

I know numerous 15+ year Cops from LAPD that went to Texas, Georgia and Tennessee, got jobs at College PD’s, and are enjoying life. Their kids get huge discounts on said college tuitions and I’ve never heard of any regrets.

 

[Wedgy]

Mandatory retirement for both agencies at 55 and horrible pensions, like 60% max.

Austin Tx. Has NO cap on 3% a year pension matrix.

Very rare to get that .

Take good care over there in the City of Angels. Sad too see this happening. Glad I had Family in Texas. West Texas cotton country suits me fine. No humidity. Very similar to High Desert Climate. With lots of red dirt! Who needs lakes and rivers and green forest. Lol. We do have wind and dust, and lots of it. Lubbock being the 9th Windiest city in America. Great medical here.. Tecas Tech! New homes at a hundie a sq ft. No state income tax. Existing homes way under that.
It's like stepping back in time to the '80s. Any questions, HMU, Glad to help in any way I can.

 

[RandyH]

Scenes of "The book of Eli" come to mind........yikes.