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Found a nice 2014 21 liberator with a Merc 300X that I'm thinking about buying.Any comments on the boat.Everything I read about them is good.Apprieciate any input.
 

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Good boats, Randy has been building them for years. Quite a value compared to the cost of a comparable eliminator, about half the price. New with a 300 they are only $55,000, a daytona 21 would be $110,000.
 

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Found a nice 2014 21 liberator with a Merc 300X that I'm thinking about buying.Any comments on the boat.Everything I read about them is good.Apprieciate any input.
And is the motor an x or an xs?
 

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Has X on it now but he also has a XS.Which do you think would be better?
Depends on the price difference.......XS is a much newer motor and waaaaaay better on fuel then the X, but the X is regarded as one of the holy grail motors for making the most power at the propshaft of all of the 300's Merc ever built.
 

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Also key to know is what lower unit the motors come with, sportmaster or torquemaster?
 

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Thanks Walt.Going to speak with him in about an hour, he's in Texas and raced boats for years.He knows a lot about O/B's will let you know what I find out.Looked at new one's but this boat is almost new and the price is great.Talked to Eliminator and the price is just to much and no DCB Mach 22 available so I found Liberator and for the price and performance I don't think i can find a better boat.All The Liberators and cougar's are on the east coast.
 

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Thanks Walt.Going to speak with him in about an hour, he's in Texas and raced boats for years.He knows a lot about O/B's will let you know what I find out.Looked at new one's but this boat is almost new and the price is great.Talked to Eliminator and the price is just to much and no DCB Mach 22 available so I found Liberator and for the price and performance I don't think i can find a better boat.All The Liberators and cougar's are on the east coast.
Cool. Definitely make sure you end up with a sportmaster lower on either the x or xs, i think they are the same lower unit so it could be swapped to either motor. The torquemaster could blow out north of 75 ish, and that would be bad. The XS is a nice, no smoke late model motor and they sip fuel. The x's are gas pigs but have the most potential for being built. Either way it will be a low 100 mph boat, if it were me and the price was right with the XS I would do that, very turn key high tech motors compared to the old school x models.
 

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Thanks Walt.Going to speak with him in about an hour, he's in Texas and raced boats for years.He knows a lot about O/B's will let you know what I find out.Looked at new one's but this boat is almost new and the price is great.Talked to Eliminator and the price is just to much and no DCB Mach 22 available so I found Liberator and for the price and performance I don't think i can find a better boat.All The Liberators and cougar's are on the east coast.
KMG in San Diego now owns the DCB 22 mold. They make a VERY nice boat (Kevin used to work for DCB). If any of that helps at all.

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There was one running around Havasu with a 300 on the back I was next to him at 90MPH and it was ridding pretty nice. He had his lady with him and she was loving the speed.
 

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Cool. Definitely make sure you end up with a sportmaster lower on either the x or xs, i think they are the same lower unit so it could be swapped to either motor. The torquemaster could blow out north of 75 ish, and that would be bad. The XS is a nice, no smoke late model motor and they sip fuel. The x's are gas pigs but have the most potential for being built. Either way it will be a low 100 mph boat, if it were me and the price was right with the XS I would do that, very turn key high tech motors compared to the old school x models.
Here is the deal,I was wrong.It currently has the X on it with the sport master and the other motor is a 1998 300 Pro max with the torque master.I agree that the XS would be a better new technology two stroke.
 

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KMG in San Diego now owns the DCB 22 mold. They make a VERY nice boat (Kevin used to work for DCB). If any of that helps at all.

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Like I mentioned to Walt the Eliminator 21 is 100K and god now's what KMG would want for the 22.The new Liberator 21 is 59K and it's a 100MPH boat.I just don't want to get that deep in debt.I'm retired and got to stop flipping boats like I do,that's why I wanted to find a slightly used one that I could pay cash for.
 

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Keep you eyes open for Cougar 21 and 22 MTR's too. Great boats
 

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Like I mentioned to Walt the Eliminator 21 is 100K and god now's what KMG would want for the 22.The new Liberator 21 is 59K and it's a 100MPH boat.I just don't want to get that deep in debt.I'm retired and got to stop flipping boats like I do,that's why I wanted to find a slightly used one that I could pay cash for.
Oh, I agree that the liberator is a great value and great boat. Just wanted to share some info in case anybody didnt know.

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Contact Convincor on this site. He has the nicest mach 22 you will ever see, and he's in your budget
 

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Liberators are great boats.

If the price is the same with either motor, definitely go with the x/sporty. The x has a higher rev limit, makes a little more power and is more modern than the pro max. If the price is a lot cheaper with the PM and you can get it with the sporty, it’s a great reliable motor. I’ve heard of quite a few with 1000+ hours.

Either motor will drink fuel. I think the X consumes ~70gph at wot?

Jeff
 

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Also, Randy (wild man) posts on scream and fly a lot. If you have any questions about the boat I’d hit him up.
 

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I agree with post 18. the boat is super clean looks great and has a 300X with a sportmaster.
 

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Thanks Walt.Going to speak with him in about an hour, he's in Texas and raced boats for years.He knows a lot about O/B's will let you know what I find out.Looked at new one's but this boat is almost new and the price is great.Talked to Eliminator and the price is just to much and no DCB Mach 22 available so I found Liberator and for the price and performance I don't think i can find a better boat.All The Liberators and cougar's are on the east coast.
Talked to Eliminator and the price is just to much and no DCB Mach 22 available s
The Liberator with a single 300x is kind of a hot rod compared to a Mach 22 with the same. Not totally apples and oranges but definitely different IMO. I'd think the Liberator with a pro max or an xs would be great as well. It depends on the use. The mach 22 and I'd assume Cougar are roomier, heavier, and have good storage . I've never been in one but the Cougar looks slightly more seaworthy than the Mach. With our single x on a mach 22 cruising between 50-65 mph it takes about 22 gallons from Mohave Valley area to say steamboat area , and back to either Havasu marina or the Landing to fill back up. I splash each tank with a gallon or 2 of 110L when it's parked close to the drum. Capacity is 40 gallons. 400 trouble free hours with some new injectors and basic maintenance . Compression is still perfect . If you want triple digit range on a single 300 with multiple choices for a prop that works all around get the Liberator or a 21 Daytona. I still like 2 stroke smoke, it's just too bad the good Merc crap doesn't smell like 927 ;)
 

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DC is right on. A Lib21 is a bit smaller than a Dcb22, Cougar 22MTR, or Daytona 22. It's similar to a 21mtr or 21 Daytona.

I spent much time deciding between the 22's and settled on the Cougar. It's just as fast or faster than the DCB or Eliminator. But has a roomier cockpit and more freeboard. I think the tunnels are deeper than the DCB.

I have a 2003 Cougar 22MTR and a 2015 300xs and it gets very impressive mileage. Like 5-7 mpg, even at higher rpms. And with a box stock 26 bravo 1xs has run 92.8 mpg.
 

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:rolleyes: Not hardly, fake news.
Lol, I meant to insert a sarcastic smiley in there but it didn’t come thru!

I think in reality the X is more like 30-33 right? I think my 300 PM’s are in the 30 neighborhood.
 

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Like 5-7 mpg, even at higher rpms. And with a box stock 26 bravo 1xs has run 92.8 mpg.
Those are great #'s, way better than mine. I'd assume you have a jack plate. Most the Machs didn't and I keep mine bolted fairly low with the x dimension an inch or so low because we ski a lot with it but it sets real nice between 45-75 mph. No way I'm getting better than 83 mph though with a bravo 26. I just got one of the new factory bravos with the 2 little holes as opposed to the big ones we'd get drilled and it works pretty well but the launch is different. Sounds like the Cougar is under rated in the West Coast scene to me, probably just the lack of zip ties and custom bolt on billet parts lol
 

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Yea. It has a Bobs hydrolic Jack plate. It makes a huge difference when making top end runs. But for cruising, skiing, etc, the boat runs much better at lower engine heights.

I think because cougars were mfg in BC Canada, they werent that popular in the US.

I've owned a number of boats over the years and the Cougars layup, hull, tooling, rigging, etc impress me. For their era, they were rigged better than most.
 

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Got a Call from Randy Corson of Liberator in Fla. tonight.He took a trade from a long time customer,2000 21 Lib .He asked if I would be into buying the boat with a total restore,everything new,gel of my choose.Thinking on staying with the same target and colors.Everything on a brand new 21 will be installed in this boat only difference is the hull being a 2000 and a low hr. 2015 300 XS.I bought it.
 

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Got a Call from Randy Corson of Liberator in Fla. tonight.He took a trade from a long time customer,2000 21 Lib .He asked if I would be into buying the boat with a total restore,everything new,gel of my choose.Thinking on staying with the same target and colors.Everything on a brand new 21 will be installed in this boat only difference is the hull being a 2000 and a low hr. 2015 300 XS.I bought it.
Very cool
 

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Sweet! You're in great hands with Randy
 
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Very cool and congrats

Got a Call from Randy Corson of Liberator in Fla. tonight.He took a trade from a long time customer,2000 21 Lib .He asked if I would be into buying the boat with a total restore,everything new,gel of my choose.Thinking on staying with the same target and colors.Everything on a brand new 21 will be installed in this boat only difference is the hull being a 2000 and a low hr. 2015 300 XS.I bought it.
 

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. I still like 2 stroke smoke, it's just too bad the good Merc crap doesn't smell like 927 ;)
Try Klotz Super Techniplate with 20% castor,you wont be disappointed.I ordered online from Walmart of all places around $47 for gallon with free shipping
 

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Spoke to soon,The Fla. boat deal fell thru so I'm buying the 2014 21 Lib. in Tex. with the 300X and the sport master lower, has a 30 clever prop on it and a 28 pro max prop with the boat also,the price for the boat is more then fair.The owner is a well known long time O/B guy in Austin that post's on scream and fly.We are going to meet in Tucson Sat. he's driving a hell of a long way, my part of the drive is about 350 miles from Bullhead. Think from Austin it's like 800+.Should be a fun little hot rod.
 
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Looks bad ass, can't wait to drive it... I meant see it...real nice Joe I hope you are happy with this one
 

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View attachment 621066 View attachment 621067 View attachment 621068 View attachment 621069 Spoke to soon,The Fla. boat deal fell thru so I'm buying the 2014 21 Lib. in Tex. with the 300X and the sport master lower, has a 30 clever prop on it and a 28 pro max prop with the boat also,the price for the boat is more then fair.The owner is a well known long time O/B guy in Austin that post's on scream and fly.We are going to meet in Tucson Sat. he's driving a hell of a long way, my part of the drive is about 350 miles from Bullhead. Think from Austin it's like 800+.Should be a fun little hot rod.
Very cool, make sure the lower unit has a expansion tank installed. They are known to heat up push out the seals, several vendors make a fitting that you attach a hose to and run it up to a puke tank attached under the cowl.
 

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Very cool, make sure the lower unit has a expansion tank installed. They are known to heat up push out the seals, several vendors make a fitting that you attach a hose to and run it up to a puke tank attached under the cowl.
Thanks Walt,I will ask if it has one otherwise I'll get it.The owner run's one of the largest o/b dealers in Austin and he keeps this and his other three boat's and motors in top condition.
 

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Boat is bad ass.....the black and white just seems timeless...you did good buddy hopefully you will kept this one
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