I have no skin in this game and I have lurked for a long time. After Ray was finished, I said "I only have one bitch about the job. I have nothing to bitch about". Anyway, I got trouble free mini pebble with glass beads of various colors, and abalone shell for sparkle. Thirty year coating, over an inch thick in places. Not one trowel mark. Got chores now. I'll try to post a pic later on for the first time. I enjoy the forum everyday Dave. We have a house in LHC, kinda rare for peeps from Wyoming, I think. Like $14,500 for a 16,000 gallon pool with new tile, drains, and popups.