Monsoon about to hit north havasu

[MooreMoney]

Been watching it build up. Looks like it’s about to hit havasu in the north.

 

[SummitKarl]

PFFFT...HavaDome will stop it

 

[F.U.IRS]

Lots of wind and lightning, no rain yet

 

[stephenkatsea]

South side of town - wind only. So far

 

[mash on it]

Read the title wrong.
Was hoping for moonshine.

Carry on.

Dan'l

 

[Riverbottom]

Windy and lightning in Parker, but no rain yet.

 

[F.U.IRS]

Raining at The Landing now

 

[Rajobigguy]

Northern side of town has significant lightning and wind but still dry as can be.

 

[HNL2LHC]

PFFFT...HavaDome will stop it

Looks like Havadome took a have break with this storm. the lighting is out there tonight

 

[Rajobigguy]

Looks like Havadome took a have break with this storm. the lighting is out there tonight

Yeah but still dry

 

[HNL2LHC]

Yeah but still dry

Yeach you are right. The rains were south west of town. Just went out on the last bit thunder and the elderly neighbors were out. I went over to be sure and they noted no big deal because it is not raining. LOL..

 

[Outdrive1]

Raining in Parker.


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[Boatymcboatface]

Wasn’t in parker or havasu but got hit with rain and lighting on lake san Vincente down in San Diego today! Fun times!

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Stupid wind here in north side, we were at dinner and came home to a mess, gas grill knocked over, patio furniture everywhere.

We will rebuild

 

[FreeBird236]

Wasn’t in parker or havasu but got hit with rain and lighting on lake san Vincente down in San Diego today! Fun times!

Saw that a little earlier in the day. The dome worked it's magic in Havasu again for the most part, lightning and wind in the South end no h2o.

 

[Wmc]

From the Foothills

 

[HCP3]

Just drove by this. South LHC. Cheap lumber for sale soon @2FORCEFULL . It used to be a two story apartment building.

 

[hallett21]

Someone is having a rough Monday. Damn


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[FreeBird236]

Looks like the sides were sheeted, I always figured they were pretty stable after that. Like to hear more.

 

[franky]

I wonder if they had Course Of Construction Insurance. Plumbing and Electrical was in, that is going to hurt. I guess I just don't see the shear panels...

 

[RiverDave]

That sucks about the house.. .

 

[Hammer]

Just drove by this. South LHC. Cheap lumber for sale soon @2FORCEFULL . It used to be a two story apartment building. Strong winds from the monsoon took it down according to the crew that showed up this morning.

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That’s horrible. Hard to believe the structural would topple that far along?


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[Outdrive1]

That’s gonna be expensive. It’s not sheathed. That detail at the roof line is just for stucco. I wonder if they can salvage the trusses and roof and the floor.


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[rivermobster]

That’s horrible. Hard to believe the structural would topple that far along?


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That roof looks freaking heavy! Maybe no interior walls??

 

[SummitKarl]

That’s horrible. Hard to believe the structural would topple that far along?


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looks like they made it to roof but not shear, I see no ply or strong wall in place.....BRACEWALLS FIRST ALWAYS....

 

[HitIt]

.....BRACEWALLS FIRST ALWAYS....

Some people learn on the job. I bet this contractor does the brace walls first from now on!

 

[SummitKarl]

Some people learn on the job. I bet this contractor does the brace walls first from now on!

I don't know who the framers were YET!!!!!! (give me a hour) but you can be assured they are OFF MY APPROVED LIST

 

[HCP3]

I don't know who the framers were YET!!!!!! (give me a hour) but you can be assured they are OFF MY APPROVED LIST

Retraced where I was this morning. This is roughly where the lot is.

3048 Shoshone Dr · 3048 Shoshone Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ 86406

3048 Shoshone Dr, Lake Havasu City, AZ 86406

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[DC-88]

Damn that sucks to see. It's hard enough to get lumber package and framers once let alone 2x on the same job. Plus the rough ins that appear to be started are focked . Tall sheets were probably backordered needed to shear it and they had it kicked off inside with random braces from plumb and line which wasn't enough given the monsoon factor.....

 

[just_floatin]

This occurred at a build site in Maricopa after a monsoon. Surprisingly the following day some of the trusses were back in place. Must be common practice in the industry.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

This likely had something to do with it, funnel cloud came down near the golf course around 8pm

 

[96motorhead]

Wasn’t in parker or havasu but got hit with rain and lighting on lake san Vincente down in San Diego today! Fun times!

I was at san vicente also, it poured.

 

[4Waters]

That’s horrible. Hard to believe the structural would topple that far along?


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That same shit happened to my uncle when he was building his house in Vegas 38 years ago. The winds blew the house over after framing was done but it was still open, no sheeting yet except the roof.

 

[Ziggy]

Why not strap a few herculean F150s to it and tilt it back up?

 

[hallett21]

Trusses looked busted on the right hand side.


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[HALLETT BOY]

I wonder if they had Course Of Construction Insurance. Plumbing and Electrical was in, that is going to hurt. I guess I just don't see the shear panels...

This is just down street from me , was just there and saw an insurance guy surveying damage

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Why not strap a few herculean F150s to it and tilt it back up?

Or borrow one of the big fork lifts from the rack storage place.

 

[SummitKarl]

ok so here is the deal I went and look at it and officials showed up while I was there
The reason we see no plywood shear or strong wall is that this was designed as all internal DRYWALL SHEAR, some one tried to cheap out and some how got it to calculate out (engineer should be shot) entire 1st story should have been plywood shear 6"edge 12" field, 2nd thing that happened although diagonal bracing was there some of it appears to be ripped out, I am going to guess by the rough in subs. It's the GC's responsibility to make sure the job site is safe at all times and apparently this did not happen.
so it's NOT THE FRAMERS FAULT they did what the plans said to do, This is going to fall back as negligence against the CG is my educated guess and the engineer is going to have a few questions to answer as well. I would bet heavily that this GC's days are over in Havasu as this is a PUBLIC SAFETY issue that can't be ignored, can you imagine what would have happened if children had been playing in there

 

[Hammer]

ok so here is the deal I went and look at it and officials showed up while I was there
The reason we see no plywood shear or strong wall is that this was designed as all internal DRYWALL SHEAR, some one tried to cheap out and some how got it to calculate out (engineer should be shot) entire 1st story should have been plywood shear 6"edge 12" field, 2nd thing that happened although diagonal bracing was there some of it appears to be ripped out, I am going to guess by the rough in subs. It's the GC's responsibility to make sure the job site is safe at all times and apparently this did not happen.
so it's NOT THE FRAMERS FAULT they did what the plans said to do, This is going to fall back as negligence against the CG is my educated guess and the engineer is going to have a few questions to answer as well. I would bet heavily that this GC's days are over in Havasu as this is a PUBLIC SAFETY issue that can't be ignored, can you imagine what would have happened if children had been playing in there

all great points! let me know where to apply to be an approved vendor

 

[FreeBird236]

ok so here is the deal I went and look at it and officials showed up while I was there
The reason we see no plywood shear or strong wall is that this was designed as all internal DRYWALL SHEAR, some one tried to cheap out and some how got it to calculate out (engineer should be shot) entire 1st story should have been plywood shear 6"edge 12" field, 2nd thing that happened although diagonal bracing was there some of it appears to be ripped out, I am going to guess by the rough in subs. It's the GC's responsibility to make sure the job site is safe at all times and apparently this did not happen.
so it's NOT THE FRAMERS FAULT they did what the plans said to do, This is going to fall back as negligence against the CG is my educated guess and the engineer is going to have a few questions to answer as well. I would bet heavily that this GC's days are over in Havasu as this is a PUBLIC SAFETY issue that can't be ignored, can you imagine what would have happened if children had been playing in there

Thanks for all the info, was this an apartment complex?

 

[attitude]

ok so here is the deal I went and look at it and officials showed up while I was there
The reason we see no plywood shear or strong wall is that this was designed as all internal DRYWALL SHEAR, some one tried to cheap out and some how got it to calculate out (engineer should be shot) entire 1st story should have been plywood shear 6"edge 12" field, 2nd thing that happened although diagonal bracing was there some of it appears to be ripped out, I am going to guess by the rough in subs. It's the GC's responsibility to make sure the job site is safe at all times and apparently this did not happen.
so it's NOT THE FRAMERS FAULT they did what the plans said to do, This is going to fall back as negligence against the CG is my educated guess and the engineer is going to have a few questions to answer as well. I would bet heavily that this GC's days are over in Havasu as this is a PUBLIC SAFETY issue that can't be ignored, can you imagine what would have happened if children had been playing in there

Is it possible to estimate how much money was planned on being saved while trying to build it the wrong way?

 

[hallett21]

Drywall shear....that’s a first for me lol.


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[82daytona]

Drywall shear....that’s a first for me lol.


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Crazy right? Quite a few people do it in the area.

 

[SummitKarl]

Is it possible to estimate how much money was planned on being saved while trying to build it the wrong way?

sure to have sheathed the entire first floor (my way) looks like 100 sheets of plywood and maybe $500 in hardware, or to have been structurally sound = min code requirement would have been just about 24 sheets for each floor. seems like a drop in the bucket to what looks like $500k or more in damage

 

[SummitKarl]

all great points! let me know where to apply to be an approved vendor

get your az k1-b and you know right were to apply

 

[attitude]

sure to have sheathed the entire first floor (my way) looks like 100 sheets of plywood and maybe $500 in hardware, or to have been structurally sound = min code requirement would have been just about 24 sheets for each floor. seems like a drop in the bucket to what looks like $500k or more in damage

The risk versus reward does not pencil out…

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

In are area walls DO NOT even get stood until the OSB is on!! Even if its not a shear wall they still get OSB or a "let in" brace. We do some "IBP's"(interior brace panels) but very few as they dont do shit!!

That is basically a complete loss. Would cost more to try and salvage than to rebuild! The trusses are fukt along with the floor joist.

 

[stokerwhore]

serve yourself fire wood stand?

 

[SummitKarl]

Drywall shear....that’s a first for me lol.


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California = CBC eliminated it long ago, IRC and IBC still allow it depending on your wind and seismic zones, I still use it in addition to ply, but use it along with resilient channel to stop drywall cracking in the RV garages, it just tightens up the nailing/screw schedule and j-bolts a bit, so a extra box of screws and a couple of j-bolts per home is cheap insurance for the GC's not to have to return to fix cracks.

 

[Racer56]

ok so here is the deal I went and look at it and officials showed up while I was there
The reason we see no plywood shear or strong wall is that this was designed as all internal DRYWALL SHEAR, some one tried to cheap out and some how got it to calculate out (engineer should be shot) entire 1st story should have been plywood shear 6"edge 12" field, 2nd thing that happened although diagonal bracing was there some of it appears to be ripped out, I am going to guess by the rough in subs. It's the GC's responsibility to make sure the job site is safe at all times and apparently this did not happen.
so it's NOT THE FRAMERS FAULT they did what the plans said to do, This is going to fall back as negligence against the CG is my educated guess and the engineer is going to have a few questions to answer as well. I would bet heavily that this GC's days are over in Havasu as this is a PUBLIC SAFETY issue that can't be ignored, can you imagine what would have happened if children had been playing in there

How did something like this get past plan check at the city? No matter what the structural engineer designed and stamped, the building needs to meet current building code to be issued a building permit. There is no approved shear value for drywall.