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I seen one of the comp jet guys have fins on the ride plate. Maybe this would help?
Dan'l
Dan'l
Thanks for your input i hope all goes well sunday i will adjust ride plate and wish for the best ill post what happens .I had a ultra with an insert pump that was unpredictable as hell, mine pulled mostly to the left and got worse when you let off the gas. Hopefully you find something adjusting the ride plate, mine was just because the insert set up sucked!!
Just keep in mind, lowering the ride plate might make the situation worse by lifting the tail and pushing the nose down. Could end up with more of a bow hunt and less of the rear in the water making it easier to wash out on you!!Thanks for your input i hope all goes well sunday i will adjust ride plate and wish for the best ill post what happens .
I will be waiting for it heheh nobody go to castaic sunday the commander is gonna be out on the waterJust keep in mind, lowering the ride plate might make the situation worse by lifting the tail and pushing the nose down. Could end up with more of a bow hunt and less of the rear in the water making it easier to wash out on you!!
Im hopeful i will eventually dial it down thanks for your input do u have pics of your pump setup maybe i can compare a few thingsI've got a 93 21 foot open bow commander, with a 454 (not 502), the insert JE pump (I think) and it is a pig in the water. I can spin it if i work at it. I've got two batteries on one side. It is a rough ass ride in anything rougher than glass. But, it drives straight as an arrow regardless of where the diverter is set, or the steering wheel is turned or what RPM I am at. I know crap about how to really set up a boat or how adjusting the ride plate, adding skegs, etc. might affect ones ability to control the boat. I can't imagine my boat ever acting like what was described above. I've had reverse bucket cables snap at the wrong time, diverter lines blow out, steering cable lock up, but the boat always behaved predictably. In my head this sounds like what people who race boats at stupid speeds have to deal with, not what rec. drivers in family boats should ever expect.
Good thoughtI seen one of the comp jet guys have fins on the ride plate. Maybe this would help?
Dan'l
Thanks for the help very informative i did adjust ride plate angle i lowered it , but will look into everything you said. Ride plate angle helped a ton i have more control but i still feel the boat pull when in a bit more rough water i went up to about 40mph for a short time felt better but not near safe enough to push the boat more i constantly have to correct by counter steering i just feel it isnt right .I haven't read about anyone suggesting thrust height. Rule of thumb on ride plate is 2 degrees up compared to bottom of boat. Harbor Freight has a dial gauge for a few dollars. Bottom of place diverter should be about 3/4 to 1 inch above plate. The 1st pic you posted thrust looks really high to me. If you try a mini droop it will be closer. With the thrust high & the plate high seems like you're getting the boat in a awkward position pointing the nose up causing the wash out spin. In any case this is bad/dangerous. Do what you need to do to fix it.
Fins on the intake are part of the intake. New intake needed to add. I have seen some custom ride plates with 1 inch fins, might help some. 1 inch right angle aluminum mounted to the bottom then file the edges for water flow. Not perfect but you're not trying for every ounce of speed you can get, just a fun safe ride.
Commander also told me the issue may be having two batteries on one side...
I haven't read about anyone suggesting thrust height. Rule of thumb on ride plate is 2 degrees up compared to bottom of boat. Harbor Freight has a dial gauge for a few dollars. Bottom of place diverter should be about 3/4 to 1 inch above plate. The 1st pic you posted thrust looks really high to me. If you try a mini droop it will be closer. With the thrust high & the plate high seems like you're getting the boat in a awkward position pointing the nose up causing the wash out spin. In any case this is bad/dangerous. Do what you need to do to fix it.
Fins on the intake are part of the intake. New intake needed to add. I have seen some custom ride plates with 1 inch fins, might help some. 1 inch right angle aluminum mounted to the bottom then file the edges for water flow. Not perfect but you're not trying for every ounce of speed you can get, just a fun safe ride.
The 2 degree topic was already mentioned on page one and again, E pumps do not have fins on the intake.
This boat, and reading the previous owners comments on how to learn to drive it scares the shit outta me, needs to be taken back to it's stock set up concerning the plate and diverter and then go from there to try to figure out whats wrong. In fact I'd remove the diverter and see how it handles with the stock nozzle, then go back with the diverter. Any roost higher than 6 feet is just pissing in the wind and might make a boat do funny dangerous things on the top end.
A droop is the last thing this boat needs.
It could be as simple as the E pump insert was installed improperly or off a few degrees prior to the molds being gelled, which can't be fixed.
I've never been in a jet that had the characteristics described by some in this thread and if I did experience them, I'd never get back in the boat. lol
Oh, by the way, that little fin that hangs down and came stock with all pumps doesn't do a god damn thing. It's there to comply with the insurance companies. Nothing more.
I agree with everything you stated. I've read your knowledge in the past and improved my stuff by listening. I agree with no full droop, my thoughts on the mini droop was to get the thrust lower, but not to low. Where it is now when you push the diverter up this boat is dancing on the very back, I was looking at the separation. BTW what I see in my mind doesn't always transfer to words, just ask my golf coach. Maybe a bowl extension to move the thrust back would help. I've experimented with all of these in different boats in the past to find it's sweet spot. My Rogers liked the mini droop, full droop scary. My Daytona likes both bowl extension or full droop, I was advised the bowl extension looked funny so I ended up with the traditional droop.
You're also right about the handing characteristics, I wouldn't go for a ride either. The push to the right or left, I don't remember which, is scary. If you leave the diverter straight it seems to me you would get a feel for a stock nozzle that doesn't adjust. I want to know what's causing it to turn.
The owner mentioned Castaic. I live in Santa Clarita and am more than willing to talk about it or maybe even see it to take a 1st hand look.
I am supposed to be out this weekend along with friend who bought the one I posted pictures of. Will get more pics of pump and ride plate and see if I can take it for a test drive. See how it does over 40 where prior owner said it starts getting squirrelly. My other buddy has same boat but a IO was out on it 2 weekend ago no issues.
The issue I had with my ultra was as you mentioned, insert was installed crooked. Ran 100% better after I fixed it.The 2 degree topic was already mentioned on page one and again, E pumps do not have fins on the intake.
This boat, and reading the previous owners comments on how to learn to drive it scares the shit outta me, needs to be taken back to it's stock set up concerning the plate and diverter and then go from there to try to figure out whats wrong. In fact I'd remove the diverter and see how it handles with the stock nozzle, then go back with the diverter. Any roost higher than 6 feet is just pissing in the wind and might make a boat do funny dangerous things on the top end.
A droop is the last thing this boat needs.
It could be as simple as the E pump insert was installed improperly or off a few degrees prior to the molds being gelled, which can't be fixed.
I've never been in a jet that had the characteristics described by some in this thread and if I did experience them, I'd never get back in the boat. lol
Oh, by the way, that little fin that hangs down and came stock with all pumps doesn't do a god damn thing. It's there to comply with the insurance companies. Nothing more.
The issue I had with my ultra was as you mentioned, insert was installed crooked. Ran 100% better after I fixed it.
What did you do to fix that?? As you know, probably better than me because I’ve never fixed one, that’s a huge screw up. I can’t even imagine.
Thats the before and after of the ride plate.
Helped quite a bit. I had a question are these place diverters adjustable i don’t see any place for adjustments and how much play in the pump is ok left to right i can slightly move the pump side to side without seeing the steering wheel move maybe half an inch.
That ride plate still looks high to me......
The issue I had with my ultra was as you mentioned, insert was installed crooked. Ran 100% better after I fixed it.[/QUOTE
What kind of pump did u put in it and what should i measure in order to find out if thats the case with this boat ?
I wouldn't get that crazy. It's a 2001. I figure someone has driven this boat a ton over the years and the prior owner basically said it's fine, you just have to get used to driving it. I would guess with some tweaking on the pump it will be fine without going through the whole remove re install deal. Get the Ride plate thing squared away and go from there. Just my .02c'sDo i pretty much need to measure and make sure the pump inserted is centered at the rear of boat both top and bottom ?
I agree with most of that, try everything possible to fix it before going to the extreme of installing a standard intake.I wouldn't get that crazy. It's a 2001. I figure someone has driven this boat a ton over the years and the prior owner basically said it's fine, you just have to get used to driving it. I would guess with some tweaking on the pump it will be fine without going through the whole remove re install deal. Get the Ride plate thing squared away and go from there. Just my .02c's
As far as age of boat goes, mine was a 96' and was looking for a place to crash even with everything set up correctly.