New trucks.....

[CLdrinker]

Want to skip the diesel pump issues and wait for a truck to be available?
Let me know

 

[Xring01]

Those of you with Diesels.
I had a 2002 GMC Duramax 2500 4x4 Crewcab long bed…. Bought it with 100k miles sold it with close to 250K miles in 13 year time period ish…

Everyone warned me about the LB7 injectors… blah blah blah… but a head deisel mechanic that I know, told me to run 1oz/gallon of cheap Penzoil 2 stroke oil… Which I did… never had a problem. I can say, than when I ran out of oil to add to the deisel, I could feel more vibration in the gas peddle, and my fuel economy went down. Worked like a champ for me. BTW I think I was buying it at Wallmart in the fishing/boating section for $16.88 a gallon… Pretty damn cheap for a fuel additive in my book.

Food for thought. Because the oil addition is giving the motor & fuel systems the lubricity it was designed to run on. Again, Worked for me. I never had any fuel related issues with that truck.

 

[Xring01]

Want to skip the diesel pump issues and wait for a truck to be available?
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I agree with you…I owned a diesel, loved that diesel. Unless you are towing very heavy loads beyond the capabilites of a half ton pickup, I would not consider a modern day diesel. Especially any of the ones that require DEF or have the pre catalytic systems all all that modern day smog shit. Just way to many things to fail, the fuel economy on them sucks on the 2500s.

Modern gas motors… say 5.3 and above… great HP, great torque, fewer systems / things that can fail. Proven designs, and have about the same fuel economy of the diesels. Which used to be the key advantage to buying a diesel. Not any more.

 

[LowRiver2]

I tow 12k lbs. when TH loaded, about 1k lbs. in the bed.

Sticking to diesel for now , but with extended warranty for sure .

 

[boatpi]

As far as modern 1/2 Ton diesels, my 2020 RAM 1500 has 10K miles on it now. Gets 30-32 MPG unloaded at 70 MPH, full tank average. Towing a 4-5K low profile load, 21-24 MPG at 60 - 70 MPH. Mixed driving in Vegas, AC on 22-24 MPG.

 

[CLdrinker]

As far as modern 1/2 Ton diesels, my 2020 RAM 1500 has 10K miles on it now. Gets 30-32 MPG unloaded at 70 MPH, full tank average. Towing a 4-5K low profile load, 21-24 MPG at 60 - 70 MPH. Mixed driving in Vegas, AC on 22-24 MPG.

Walt had the same truck and the fuel pump or something shit the bed and it was super expensive and out of warranty. The diesels are great until they aren’t. And when they aren’t your near 5 figures to fix it.

 

[CLdrinker]

I tow 12k lbs. when TH loaded, about 1k lbs. in the bed.

Sticking to diesel for now , but with extended warranty for sure .

I do around that weight give or take depending on the trip. Suck gas to the toon of 6-8mpg. But truck was way cheaper and repairs will be cheaper.

it’s kind of a pick your poison deal. Kinda fucked either way.

 

[Xring01]

As far as modern 1/2 Ton diesels, my 2020 RAM 1500 has 10K miles on it now. Gets 30-32 MPG unloaded at 70 MPH, full tank average. Towing a 4-5K low profile load, 21-24 MPG at 60 - 70 MPH. Mixed driving in Vegas, AC on 22-24 MPG.

I did some serious research on the Chevy and Dodge half ton 1500 diesel trucks,... I went with the Chevy 5.3, 3 weeks ago.

I love the fuel economy they offer, but DEF fluid and all the extra systems they have, lead me to believe the risk of expensive out of warranty repairs would have a higher Total Owner Ship over 8-10 years, and 250,000 miles of ownership.

I chose 5.3 Chevy. But that's my opinion, and what I wanted. Doesn't mean that I was right or wrong. It just added up in my cost benefit analysis. Everyone is entitled to there own. I ruled out the Chevy 3.0 diesel based on the fact at 150k miles you have to remove the transmission to replace a belt. Yes thats a fact... Dodge I ruled out based on the reliability they have overall. Lots of problems, the moment you are out of warranty... Thats not something I want to chance, I plan to own my truck for many years.

 

[CLdrinker]

Wholly sticker shock. Truck has 131k miles and has the 5.7 in a 3/4ton and it’s got huge wheels and tires. Must be a gutless pig and he wants 30k

I will let my 4 year newer truck with the bigger Hemi and only 15k miles go for only 10k more.

 

[pronstar]

I did some serious research on the Chevy and Dodge half ton 1500 diesel trucks,... I went with the Chevy 5.3, 3 weeks ago.

I love the fuel economy they offer, but DEF fluid and all the extra systems they have, lead me to believe the risk of expensive out of warranty repairs would have a higher Total Owner Ship over 8-10 years, and 250,000 miles of ownership.

I chose 5.3 Chevy. But that's my opinion, and what I wanted. Doesn't mean that I was right or wrong. It just added up in my cost benefit analysis. Everyone is entitled to there own. I ruled out the Chevy 3.0 diesel based on the fact at 150k miles you have to remove the transmission to replace a belt. Yes thats a fact... Dodge I ruled out based on the reliability they have overall. Lots of problems, the moment you are out of warranty... Thats not something I want to chance, I plan to own my truck for many years. View attachment 1017525

Good choice.
Especially now that the 5.3 is paired with the 10-speed tranny.

I’ve got a 2015 with the 5.3 and it’s a very good engine.


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[LargeOrangeFont]

I did some serious research on the Chevy and Dodge half ton 1500 diesel trucks,... I went with the Chevy 5.3, 3 weeks ago.

I love the fuel economy they offer, but DEF fluid and all the extra systems they have, lead me to believe the risk of expensive out of warranty repairs would have a higher Total Owner Ship over 8-10 years, and 250,000 miles of ownership.

I chose 5.3 Chevy. But that's my opinion, and what I wanted. Doesn't mean that I was right or wrong. It just added up in my cost benefit analysis. Everyone is entitled to there own. I ruled out the Chevy 3.0 diesel based on the fact at 150k miles you have to remove the transmission to replace a belt. Yes thats a fact... Dodge I ruled out based on the reliability they have overall. Lots of problems, the moment you are out of warranty... Thats not something I want to chance, I plan to own my truck for many years. View attachment 1017525

Yep. I see no reason to get a 1/2 ton diesel. Too much risk and complexity for extra cost and less performance.

 

[Boat 405]

Not really, the average age of a vehicle on the road just hit 12.1 years for the first time. It is going to be a very good run in the car business. Dealerships are selling at record high multiples currently based on forecasts.

Is 12.1 years supposed to be good or bad? Because it sounds terrible.

 

[DRYHEAT]

I did some serious research on the Chevy and Dodge half ton 1500 diesel trucks,... I went with the Chevy 5.3, 3 weeks ago.

I love the fuel economy they offer, but DEF fluid and all the extra systems they have, lead me to believe the risk of expensive out of warranty repairs would have a higher Total Owner Ship over 8-10 years, and 250,000 miles of ownership.

I chose 5.3 Chevy. But that's my opinion, and what I wanted. Doesn't mean that I was right or wrong. It just added up in my cost benefit analysis. Everyone is entitled to there own. I ruled out the Chevy 3.0 diesel based on the fact at 150k miles you have to remove the transmission to replace a belt. Yes thats a fact... Dodge I ruled out based on the reliability they have overall. Lots of problems, the moment you are out of warranty... Thats not something I want to chance, I plan to own my truck for many years. View attachment 1017525

Nice truck I want to see more pictures.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Is 12.1 years supposed to be good or bad? Because it sounds terrible.

Holy chit I must be in really bad shape then, the average age of my vehicles on the road is 28 years.

 

[pkbullet]

Is 12.1 years supposed to be good or bad? Because it sounds terrible.

Very good for people in my business. With the average age hitting this high, it shows pent-up demand. With high demand and continued low inventory there will not be pressure on margins. When your new vehicle department can be an additional source of net revenue, dealer profits are much higher. Typically fixed and used departments are the primary source of net income. They tend to have higher gross margins and significantly lower expenses.

 

[LowRiver2]

I do around that weight give or take depending on the trip. Suck gas to the toon of 6-8mpg. But truck was way cheaper and repairs will be cheaper.

it’s kind of a pick your poison deal. Kinda fucked either way.

It’s no man’s land decision for me.
$89k + for a truck dialed in (extras included).
I have 2 year warranty and need new tires , re powdercoat rims if I keep it.
Might just hang on to it 6-12 months and gamble on the market, even with the predictions it will stay high.
I am wondering if demand will start to go down after end of free $ in Sept. ?

 

[boatpi]

I like the additional torque for Towing I think it something light 65 pounds more than a hemi and of course fuel economy in excess of 40% more real world. I’ve done a round trip a couple of times from Huntington Beach to Las Vegas on one tank and actually towed both ways from corona to Las Vegas on the same tank. Yes I believe is about the third of fourth generation so don’t confuse it with previous ones my DEF tank is over 5 gallons and I get well over 5000 Miles on the blue Walmart def jug

 

[Done-it-again]

Funny to see all these Dodge guys trying to capitalize on their truck... should have bought a Ford or Chevy in the first place..

 

[Ultra912]

Just did my CP3, 8 injectors and added a lift pump on my 175K miles 07 LBZ GMC Sierra Dually. 8K. Dropped the fuel tank and the sock in the fuel tank was as dirty as it possibly could have been. I don't use an additive but my mechanic told me to never buy diesel fuel from a slow station. Fuel goes bad in their tanks. I use truck stops or Chevron. Wish I had gone with a lift pump back in the day. I'm original owner and that is actually the only thing that has ever actually broke on the truck.
I have a 16 F450 6.7 work truck that I bought new. Sounds like I need to use an additive,,,,suggestions other that 2-stroke oil? Had the DEF injector and water pump fail already at 70K miles

 

[HBCraig]

So I'm in the market but not willing to pay stupid prices. How long is the chip shortage going to Continue and how will this affect thee 2022s or all the unsllabe 2021s

A buddy of mine runs a Ford dealer. Chip shortage is still real. He has 11 total vehicles to sell. That's it. He gave me a deal but said the prices will remain high for a bit. Basic supply and demand

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

As far as buying a new truck, my current one is 14 years old, I'm due. 3-5k more than I would of paid a year ago is not a deal killer for me.

I tow 12k lbs. when TH loaded, about 1k lbs. in the bed.

Me too.
Buying a F250 7.3 gasser.

 

[Xring01]

Nice truck I want to see more pictures.

Pics of what?

 

[CSmith]

The CP4 pump has been a known issue, not a matter of if but when is it going to go out. It's in the Rams in 19' and 2020s that I know of. The 21 went back to the CP3. not sure if your truck has a conversion but mine (19' Ram) does. I think the pump is around 1,500$ and if your truck is out of warranty anyways its a no brainer. I'm even considering it since I've heard stories of trucks sitting at the dealers for months with no parts but thats just hearsay. I've had 3 duramax's with CP3 pumps 2 had over 240k miles and the other 426k miles before the motor let go, no fuel additives its entire life and never a CP3 failure.

 

[CLdrinker]

Funny to see all these Dodge guys trying to capitalize on their truck... should have bought a Ford or Chevy in the first place..

Nah we like our trucks out of the service bay.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Pics of what?

The truck that was in your earlier post

 

[LowRiver2]

As far as buying a new truck, my current one is 14 years old, I'm due. 3-5k more than I would of paid a year ago is not a deal killer for me.



Me too.
Buying a F250 7.3 gasser.

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The CP4 pump has been a known issue, not a matter of if but when is it going to go out. It's in the Rams in 19' and 2020s that I know of. The 21 went back to the CP3. not sure if your truck has a conversion but mine (19' Ram) does. I think the pump is around 1,500$ and if your truck is out of warranty anyways its a no brainer. I'm even considering it since I've heard stories of trucks sitting at the dealers for months with no parts but thats just hearsay. I've had 3 duramax's with CP3 pumps 2 had over 240k miles and the other 426k miles before the motor let go, no fuel additives its entire life and never a CP3 failure.

not hearsay on parts:

Ford had the entire fuel system (injectrs, rails, pump), on back order

I had to pay $400 extra for my manager to buy it from a dealer.
While crazy, I wasn’t going to have the truck sit for weeks waiting on the parts.
I see that as sign of the times and I get overtime all the time, so took having truck over waiting .

My service mgr. had several 12-19’ super duty sample fuels that were dirt brown to almost perfect clarity, all awaiting warranty claims for grenaded CP4’s .

 

[Blackmagic94]

I was offered 31k cash for my 16 ram 2500 6.4 with 107k the other day and I wasn’t even asking by a friend who is a GM of a local large dealer.

 

[mash on it]

My lightly used 7.3 PSD turned 300K today.
Fetching water again.

Dan'l

 

[LowRiver2]

As far as buying a new truck, my current one is 14 years old, I'm due. 3-5k more than I would of paid a year ago is not a deal killer for me.



Me too.
Buying a F250 7.3 gasser.

I’ve driven a 6.0 GMC gasser loaded down with a pacific service bed (3) for 13 years.

I grind on those poor trucks struggling to run code 3 hammering that poor gasser/trans.

I like torque and going up the cajon at 65 towing, so I pay the price of diesel, lol.

I have 2 years unlimited miles on the fix. If I keep it 6-8 months no payments, still ahead on top of last 3 years no payments.

And I run 35’s on my trucks for glamis , so torque and $ it is.

 

[rivermobster]

You guys are Seriously making me smile...

Thanks!

 

[CLdrinker]

I’ve driven a 6.0 GMC gasser loaded down with a pacific service bed (3) for 13 years.

I grind on those poor trucks struggling to run code 3 hammering that poor gasser/trans.

I like torque and going up the cajon at 65 towing, so I pay the price of diesel, lol.

I have 2 years unlimited miles on the fix. If I keep it 6-8 months no payments, still ahead on top of last 3 years no payments.

And I run 35’s on my trucks for glamis , so torque and $ it is.

Oh come on you know you can get more than 65 out of it.
I do 60. I just need a fuel station sponsor lol

 

[LowRiver2]

Oh come on you know you can get more than 65 out of it.
I do 60. I just need a fuel station sponsor lol

It’s enough, lol

 

[CLdrinker]

View attachment 1017617
It’s enough, lol

Oh I get it the mpg difference between 60 and 70 is like 2mpg

 

[LowRiver2]

Oh I get it the mpg difference between 60 and 70 is like 2mpg

It’s getting to the speeds that is the difference
I get my work 6.0 up to 5k often on runs.
No way I’d do that on my own dime

 

[cofooter]

I'm a chip guy, too. Struggling to get enough supply. Foundries are way over committed and struggling to catch up with all the demand that came back late last year. There is not enough fab capacity to support the demand and capital equipment is two years out to install and bring-up new capacity. I do not see a recovery next year if demand outlook stays where it is today. Every industry will be undersupplied in CY2022.

Ohhh, glad I bought a new truck in 2020 and don't have to think about replacing it any time soon.........

 

[SPYLIFE]

I have a 19 Trail Boss with a 2 year lease ending 8-5. I was only allotted 12K miles a year, and it's at 25K . I was going take it back for a '22, but guess that's not happening. Not sure what to do with this thing. GM said I can keep paying the monthly for another 6 months, and keep up it, but I can't drive it, or the mileage is going to go "way" over.

 

[hallett21]

Idk what you all are bitching about

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[cofooter]

I have a 19 Trail Boss with a 2 year lease ending 8-5. I was only allotted 12K miles a year, and it's at 25K . I was going take it back for a '22, but guess that's not happening. Not sure what to do with this thing. GM said I can keep paying the monthly for another 6 months, and keep up it, but I can't drive it, or the mileage is going to go "way" over.

Buy it, they may make you a deal!

 

[GRADS]

I KBB'd my 2015 Ford F-250 today....I was shocked! Trade in value, not private party, is between $56-61K. If someone wants to give me that much it theirs.

 

[hallett21]

Why do I feel like the used market will be fucked for 5+ years. Now people will be buying 80-100k trucks with little down and huge payments. We’re going to see 2022 trucks for sale for 70k in 2025


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[FROGMAN524]

I talked to a local GMC dealer today about a loaded 2021 Denali HD dually. Sticker was $84,500 but they won’t sell for less than $96,000 with markup and addendums. They did offer me $76K for my 2020 Denali HD with 32,500 miles. Needless to say I told them no thanks and will wait for the 2023 with the upgrades I’m hearing about.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Idk what you all are bitching about

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I love it when they say “only” right in front of a great big ridiculous price.

 

[cofooter]

I love it when they say “only” right in front of a great big ridiculous price.

The only is just thrown in there to give you enough time to bend over.....

 

[Flippindough]

I talked to a local GMC dealer today about a loaded 2021 Denali HD dually. Sticker was $84,500 but they won’t sell for less than $96,000 with markup and addendums. They did offer me $76K for my 2020 Denali HD with 32,500 miles. Needless to say I told them no thanks and will wait for the 2023 with the upgrades I’m hearing about.

Are the 2500/3500 getting the long over due interior refresh? Or what are the 2023 upgrades you're hearing?

 

[FROGMAN524]

Are the 2500/3500 getting the long over due interior refresh? Or what are the 2023 upgrades you're hearing?

Full digital dash, large center stack screen, super cruise, panoramic sunroof, exterior and interior design changes. Also may offer updated powertrain options. I’ll be looking next September or October when they hit the lots.


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[77charger]

I do around that weight give or take depending on the trip. Suck gas to the toon of 6-8mpg. But truck was way cheaper and repairs will be cheaper.

it’s kind of a pick your poison deal. Kinda fucked either way.

I have your theory on the diesels as well.Unless i was towing a big 5ver toyhauler loaded im skipping.I have a 04 2500hd 6.0 gasser been a great truck does the job i expect out of it.Im at point though where i aint gonna spend a ton for a new truck and repairs for me will be cheaper.But yeh my milage sucks towing but diesel repairs aint cheap either.

 

[Brooks D'Antonio]

Recently traded my 2018 F150 for a 2021 F150. Typically I am able to get Fords “X-Plan” pricing (dealer cost on the truck) but with dealerships low on inventory and that chip shortage they would not honor this perk. They were able to work a deal however. They gave me way more than I had hoped for on the trade and got me within a 1,000 bucks away from the x-plan deal which is around 8-9k below sticker. If you can find a truck you’re looking for there is always a way to make a deal that falls in your favor IMO.

Loving the new truck, but with that said if someone was interested I’d sell it tomorrow given how the market is [emoji23].

Hope you get what you’re looking for.

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[pronstar]

I have a 19 Trail Boss with a 2 year lease ending 8-5. I was only allotted 12K miles a year, and it's at 25K . I was going take it back for a '22, but guess that's not happening. Not sure what to do with this thing. GM said I can keep paying the monthly for another 6 months, and keep up it, but I can't drive it, or the mileage is going to go "way" over.

In this market, I bet you can sell it for more than the residual value. Especially if you leased it 2 years ago.

I’d keep driving it, and buy it at the end of the lease. It’ll be the cheapest truck you can buy in this market.

Or sell it and pocket the difference.

The absolute last thing I’d do, is turn it in at lease end. The used car manager will be foaming at the mouth…they’ll sell it for waaaay more than residual.


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[c_land]

In this market, I bet you can sell it for more than the residual value. Especially if you leased it 2 years ago.

I’d keep driving it, and buy it at the end of the lease. It’ll be the cheapest truck you can buy in this market.

Or sell it and pocket the difference.

The absolute last thing I’d do, is turn it in at lease end. The used car manager will be foaming at the mouth…they’ll sell it for waaaay more than residual.


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mid you buy at the end of the lease, do you still get charged for exceeding the miles?

i always thought you do get hit with the overage regardless.

 

[pkbullet]

mid you buy at the end of the lease, do you still get charged for exceeding the miles?

i always thought you do get hit with the overage regardless.

No, your residual is just a payoff like any other loan. The lien holder just guarantees that payoff based on condition and miles.