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But not near as crazy and disconnected as those who claim, "Requiring a Voter ID is Racist" ;)
Agreed. It is not racist at all.

Even Arizona requires voter ID to register and signature verification. Super safe and secure in Arizona just like the 20 and 22 election. 👍
 

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Agreed. It is not racist at all.

Even Arizona requires voter ID to register and signature verification. Super safe and secure in Arizona just like the 20 and 22 election. 👍
Question: How does "one" show their required "Voter ID" when casting their vote by mail or drop box?
Appears to me ....you oppose showing a Voter ID to actually cast your VOTE.....Why? 🤷‍♂️
 
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Question: How does "one" show their required "Voter ID" when casting their vote by mail or drop box? 🤷‍♂️
Appears to me ....you oppose showing a Voter ID to actually VOTE..... ;)
You already showed it to register. 👍
 

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You already showed it to register. 👍
What's to prevent "others" from utilizing your "registration" and falsely casting a vote in your name....or casting votes in the name of the hundreds/thousands of the deceased whose names remain registered? Why is it asking "too much" for Voters to simply show their ID when they actually cast their votes? 🤷‍♂️
 

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What's to prevent "others" from utilizing your "registration" and falsely casting a vote in your name....or casting votes in the name of the hundreds/thousands of the deceased whose names remain registered? Why is it asking "too much" for Voters to simply show their ID when they actually cast their votes? 🤷‍♂️
Because a fake id at an in person voting site is easier to acquire than a signature match.

Voting by mail with signature match is proven to be more secure.

Besides the complaints by MAGA were not what you speak of, it was bad coding from Hugo Chavez, thousands of ballots from Hong Kong in Arizona, or boxes of ballots in Georgia. All things that are going to cost those who alleged such crimes millions of dollars in defamation damages for none of them were true.

You’re chasing a ghost. Run a better candidate that doesn’t think people who beat up law enforcement officers are “patriots” and “heroes”.

Those who espouse such crap are truly broken and beyond redemption.
 

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Because a fake id at an in person voting site is easier to acquire than a signature match.

Voting by mail with signature match is proven to be more secure.
"Proven"....you must have seen some data.....please share. Otherwise,...the only conclusion is you're full of shit.
 
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Need to go back to in person voting and if necessary, an ink mark on hand. Both sides have been complaining about the system being corrupt for years. No computers, not connected to the internet and video recording of all vote counting. People that can't get to the voting centers, free government transportation for the day. Chances any of this happening are near zero.

It's funny, back when we did vote in person votes were tabulated and results were out, usually the same day. Now with computers it takes weeks. Something is really wrong.
 

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Need to go back to in person voting and if necessary, an ink mark on hand. Both sides have been complaining about the system being corrupt for years. No computers, not connected to the internet and video recording of all vote counting. People that can't get to the voting centers, free government transportation for the day. Chances any of this happening are near zero.

It's funny, back when we did vote in person votes were tabulated and results were out, usually the same day. Now with computers it takes weeks. Something is really wrong.
This is exactly what I was thinking. If you care then go in person and vote. Obviously there can/is some logistical challenges for some..
 

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Voting by mail with signature match is proven to be more secure.
It appears there are others in AZ that disagree with your position. Maybe you should silence these "ghost chasers" by sharing your "proof" that "Voting by mail with signature match is proven to be more secure". 🤣



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Makes you wonder, why is Maricopa County always fighting tooth and nail to stop the review of election records? 🤷‍♂️
 
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Need to go back to in person voting and if necessary, an ink mark on hand. Both sides have been complaining about the system being corrupt for years. No computers, not connected to the internet and video recording of all vote counting. People that can't get to the voting centers, free government transportation for the day. Chances any of this happening are near zero.

It's funny, back when we did vote in person votes were tabulated and results were out, usually the same day. Now with computers it takes weeks. Something is really wrong.
When we voted as you describe, there were one or two things on the ballot. A ballot now in Maricopa County may have over 50 different issues and offices being voted on. In some cases when judges are included, it could be well over 100 different votes per ballot.

Think about all the errors in Arizona when trying to tabulate by hand 50 or 100 different votes per ballot times 2.5 million ballots. It would be months to get the results and the errors would be significant. Now do a national vote with 150 million ballots and literally thousands of permutations of different ballots depending upon what school district/city/county/state a voter lives in. Even if an individual could tabulate a single vote every 10 seconds, 50 issues at 10 seconds each would be 500 seconds or over 8.33 minutes per ballot. Multiply that by 150 million ballots and you have over 20 million man hours tabulate a nationwide vote. It would be one of the largest government employment programs in history. The time to tabulate, then audit in order to assure accuracy would be months.

There is a reason why large scale testing, accounting, factory ordering, inventory management, scheduling, industrial engineering and other large data functions went to electronic software and systems. Less errors, faster results.

Manual tabulation across the country would be rife with fraud and error and take extended periods of time for results.

Lastly, most valid complaints are not about the tabulation itself, but who is allowed or precluded access to vote. Manual tabulation does nothing to address this issue.
 

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No need to have ID here in Canada to vote, people are stupid enough to vote for Trudeau. We'll see next time if Canadians still want that WEF puppet, but we all know that, here on the West, Ontario and Quebec people are drinking Coolaid. ;)
You are getting to the real issue that many people cannot admit or comprehend but you have a perfect handle on.

It isn’t errors in tabulation or fraud, it is the fact that some people cannot believe that someone would vote for Trudeau or for Biden, therefore the only possible explanation is fraud.
 

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@530RL Still waiting on you to prove your point ... or post a link to a study that supports your fantasy and BTW, you totally ignored post #61 🤷‍♂️

Voting by mail with signature match is proven to be more secure.
 

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@530RL Still waiting on you to prove your point ... or post a link to a study that supports your fantasy and BTW, you totally ignored post #61 🤷‍♂️

Well of course they're totally secure.

In 2016 AZ had 2.0 million mail in ballots and in 2020 they had 2.9 million mail in ballots, which is a 45% increase in mail in ballots received.

Over that same period, AZ's mail-in ballot rejection rate went from .5% to .3%, which is a 40% decrease in ballots rejected.

This not only proves that mail in ballots are secure, but it also proves that they have become even more secure since 2016...!
 

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Need to go back to in person voting and if necessary, an ink mark on hand. Both sides have been complaining about the system being corrupt for years. No computers, not connected to the internet and video recording of all vote counting. People that can't get to the voting centers, free government transportation for the day. Chances any of this happening are near zero.

It's funny, back when we did vote in person votes were tabulated and results were out, usually the same day. Now with computers it takes weeks. Something is really wrong.

According to our corrupt resident cheater who depends on big government money printing, that’s impossible!!!

Right @530RL ? 🤣
 

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Over that same period, AZ's mail-in ballot rejection rate went from .5% to .3%, which is a 40% decrease in ballots rejected.
I know about 5 people in AZ who all voted for DJT, their votes were not counted. Declared invalid for signature match issues. Vote in person with ID!

This country is in serious trouble if we can't believe election results. Make voting on the president a separate stand-alone ballot, that way they can be counted.

Our "leaders" have caused this lack trust. BHO said elections were secure but only when he won. Then HC said it was stolen from her.

Can't have it both ways.
 

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I know about 5 people in AZ who all voted for DJT, their votes were not counted. Declared invalid for signature match issues. Vote in person with ID!

This country is in serious trouble if we can't believe election results. Make voting on the president a separate stand-alone ballot, that way they can be counted.

Our "leaders" have caused this lack trust. BHO said elections were secure but only when he won. Then HC said it was stolen from her.

Can't have it both ways.
Sounds like Arizona signature match is robust and thorough.

Anyone whose signature does not match is given the opportunity to cure by law. Surprised they didn’t?
 

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Exactly.

Anyone can make up a fake ID. Signature match is much more robust and secure.
Anyone? My Alabama ID Card is embedded with a 3D hologram.:cool:
Anyone can mass produce so-called mail in ballots. 🤣
 

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You are getting to the real issue that many people cannot admit or comprehend but you have a perfect handle on.

It isn’t errors in tabulation or fraud, it is the fact that some people cannot believe that someone would vote for Trudeau or for Biden, therefore the only possible explanation is fraud.
If you known the demographic across Canada, the Western provinces have no chance of winning against the mob of the East where the largest population is alongside of the Canada US border. It doesn't help either when the NDP joins the Liberals to kick the conservatives to the curb because they couldn't win themselves. If Quebec could separate , the West might have a chance.
Imagine of the chaos, if your country had a three party system, haha
 

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If you known the demographic across Canada, the Western provinces have no chance of winning against the mob of the East where the largest population is alongside of the Canada US border. It doesn't help either when the NDP joins the Liberals to kick the conservatives to the curb because they couldn't win themselves. If Quebec could separate , the West might have a chance.
Imagine of the chaos, if your country had a three party system, haha
That’s exactly what MAGA has done. Laid the groundwork for a three party system.

Reagan Republicans will never support the MAGA view that central government control by one individual should supplant individual liberty and the constitution.
 

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You have no data to back this bullshit claim up.
What Turdalini pretends to forget is the fact in the last presidential election 80 million unrequested ballots were mailed out to addresses with zero verification of who took possesion of them and who used them to cast votes.
 

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Use scantrons. To count the 1-day only in-person voting. Machines that do not have the ability to be connected to any net at all and are 100% electronically sealed.

Doesn't sound very challenging or confusing to me.
 
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