NEWEST SUPER C FROM DYNAMAX

[v6toy4x]

Dynamax has several super C models on either the M2-106 or the M2-112 chassis and all run at least an L9 or DD8
Their XL is on the 112 with the 450/1250 L9. The problem IMO is the bigger the power the bigger they make the motorhome.

I want a 32' super C with the 450/1250 and a allison 3200TRV.
No frills just a bed with one slide on the drivers side and a crapper and shower I can use with the door closed.
Tow 10-12K like RD wants and sit back and let it rip!
All at a mid range budget of under 200

Brian Clemens the GM of Dynamax has a huge presence on the forrest river forum in the dynamax section.
He actively solicits opinions of what people want. Of late the push for short has been on going.

They listened and are now debuting the new EUROPA that they refer to as the shortest M2 based super C 33'-5"
One floor plan has been released with a second one soon to be released with a full time bed.
This is one step in the right direction but to appeal to the masses it is their first one with a 6.7 (360/800/3200TRV) to target the price point of seneca and others.
The competition run on the S2RV chassis which are a step down form the M2 and you can NOT get an L9 in the S2RV chassis so the Europa dose have some advantage there along with having the 3200TRV allison is huge!

The comment from Brian is if it sells they will move the floor plans up into the other lines where you can get the larger d/trains.

Fingers crossed that this floor plan or similar at the 32-33' mark with the manly d/train come to fruition before the bottom of my bucket falls out!

 

[NorCalRiverRat]

I like it, but guessing you would have to wait Months build time and $300,000 + other than that.......

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[v6toy4x]

I like it, but guessing you would have to wait Months build time and $300,000 + other than that.......

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Just now being released to buy so build time is 9 months probably but Way under the 300 mark, well now days who knows??
Their goal is to compete with the entry level super Cs including nexus, jayco renegade. I want to say the seneca is the price point leader at the moment, but they are all overbuilt (39'-4") for the 6.7 power IMO, definitely nothing left to tow more than maybe a lawn mower!

The europa is more of a no frills interior, i.e. no mirrors on the ceiling or chandeliers in the bathrooms.
I love it, but it needs MO POWER!

 

[rivrrts429]

The dinette is useless and I’d opt for theatre seating instead but overall a good layout. Still easy access to bathroom and fridge when slides are in.

 

[Waterjunky]

Nice! Something in the low 30's was what I really wanted when we bought the Seneca. Nothing existed. I was also looking at a gently used unit though.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Never happen for us, cant shit where my wife showers.

 

[v6toy4x]

The dinette is useless and I’d opt for theatre seating instead but overall a good layout. Still easy access to bathroom and fridge when slides are in.

Agree on the dinette, we rarely cook or eat insde all we need is the 4S's----sleep, s**t, shower and shave!
I love the 36x36 shower!

 

[v6toy4x]

Never happen for us, cant shit where my wife showers.

I guess a wet bath would be out then!!
I want to see the second floor plan but they aren't releasing it before some big mfr show.
Supposed to have full time bed.

 

[NorCalRiverRat]

The dinette is useless and I’d opt for theatre seating instead but overall a good layout. Still easy access to bathroom and fridge when slides are in.

why is the dinette useless ? don't you ever have a sit down dinner ? weather not always nice outside...

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[rivrrts429]

why is the dinette useless ? don't you ever have a sit down dinner ? weather not always nice outside...

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Rarely sit inside and with the dinette on the drivers side I’m not much into looking into my neighbors camp while I eat.

Personal preference but our dinette’s in our coaches have always became a flat surface to set things on.

 

[v6toy4x]

why is the dinette useless ? don't you ever have a sit down dinner ? weather not always nice outside...

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I dont prefer them unless you need sleeping and a that you have to be under 5-10 ish to be comfortable. I just prefer more comfortable sitting space. Our thought was sleep 4 and seat 4.

 

[Waterjunky]

Rarely sit inside and with the dinette on the drivers side I’m not much into looking into my neighbors camp while I eat.

Personal preference but our dinette’s in our coaches have always became a flat surface to set things on.

The flat surface is useful in its own right........

WE rarely eat at the dinette, actually I don't think I have ever eaten at the one in the Jayco. My 5 yr old has a couple of times but that's it. We still "use" it regularly though.

 

[RandyH]

maybe its been asked before but i love this type of MH/Chassis. Wind/Power/towing/no kids...... Would I need a CDL to own one of these? thanks.

 

[v6toy4x]

Europa 31SS (Update Thread) - Forest River Forums

I'll post any new info in this thread to keep it simple. It is officially online...in fact it is in shelling right now. ETA for completion is Feb 17th. I will likely spend some time in it, maybe do a

www.forestriverforums.com

 

[v6toy4x]

maybe its been asked before but i love this type of MH/Chassis. Wind/Power/towing/no kids...... Would I need a CDL to own one of these? thanks.

Not in CA

 

[NorCalRiverRat]

Europa 31SS (Update Thread) - Forest River Forums

I'll post any new info in this thread to keep it simple. It is officially online...in fact it is in shelling right now. ETA for completion is Feb 17th. I will likely spend some time in it, maybe do a

www.forestriverforums.com

I've never visited that forum, and I have a forest river RV. I'll check it out.

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[v6toy4x]

I've never visited that forum, and I have a forest river RV. I'll check it out.

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It is much slower paced than here but has some good RV stuff, I only hit up the dynamax section. It is truely unique for the GM of an RV division to have a very active presence and participation.

 

[WYRD]

Stupid question but where does the king bed go when the slides pulled in? Does it lift?

 

[NorCalRiverRat]

Rarely sit inside and with the dinette on the drivers side I’m not much into looking into my neighbors camp while I eat.

we have large window by dinette, we like to watch people with tents all shapes and size tents being put up by people with different skill levels. I guess that makes us easily entertained.

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[BIGRED9158]

Stupid question but where does the king bed go when the slides pulled in? Does it lift?

It’s a folding bed it folds up I believe as the slide comes in I am not completely sure though

 

[RodnJen]

I think that coach will fill a void in the market. Like boats, the size has take priority over function. As for the dinette, it has been among the most useful features in any coach we've owned. I guess that's why they make chocolate and vanilla.

 

[rivrrts429]

we have large window by dinette, we like to watch people with tents all shapes and size tents being put up by people with different skill levels. I guess that makes us easily entertained.

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I do the same shenanigans but reality is 90% of the time is spent doing other stuff.

It is entertaining people watching lol

 

[Taboma]

How bad is the engine noise in one of these big power Super C's ? Do they make something like this in a toy hauler ?

 

[v6toy4x]

It’s a folding bed it folds up I believe as the slide comes in I am not completely sure though

yes

 

[v6toy4x]

How bad is the engine noise in one of these big power Super C's ? Do they make something like this in a toy hauler ?

noise is very minimal, have not seen any superC toyhaulers, renegade will build a "classic" to do almost anything you want-gulp_$$$

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Not in CA

After 40 feet you need a non commercial class A

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

noise is very minimal, have not seen any superC toyhaulers, renegade will build a "classic" to do almost anything you want-gulp_$$$

Compared to a pusher they are loud, you are sitting much closer to the engine, and you are driving a delivery truck with a motorhome added to the back. Also no front air bags makes a difference compared to a pusher.

 

[67 baron sprint LD 390 FE]

We just bought a 2021 renegade Valencia 38 with the bath and a half . We love this thing. I’ve had a 38 5 th wheel , and we had a 35 gas allegro that I did everything to it . We were going go for a dp allegro and after seeing the quality in the new ones and doing the research on the renegades we were sold after driving one . The super c is the way to go . They are safer , handle better and you can get to the engine super easy. I love the way it handles in the wind and passing big rigs is nothing at all , hands down they are worth it . There are a ton of people on the renegade forums that have had dp’s and won’t go back after having a super c.

 

[v6toy4x]

We just bought a 2021 renegade Valencia 38 with the bath and a half . We love this thing. I’ve had a 38 5 th wheel , and we had a 35 gas allegro that I did everything to it . We were going go for a dp allegro and after seeing the quality in the new ones and doing the research on the renegades we were sold after driving one . The super c is the way to go . They are safer , handle better and you can get to the engine super easy. I love the way it handles in the wind and passing big rigs is nothing at all , hands down they are worth it . There are a ton of people on the renegade forums that have had dp’s and won’t go back after having a super c.

which motor

 

[brgrcru]

Like the smaller super c
Don't like the fold up bed . In the back .
That's no no for. For my wife . Put head of bed on back wall. No slide in bed room.
I just think they cram to much stuff together .
Give us some real counter space in the kitchen. Where two people can make sandwiches .

 

[MagnaTudes]

How short can you go?

 

[v6toy4x]

How short can you go?

Magnatudes!!

where did you find this one?
Old/new and where is the floor plan, you cant post that without a floor plan?
I need a full size bed on the ground floor even if it folds into a slide

30ft?

looks like the M2-112 fenders anyway, so big motor options?
Renegade also means big $$ price tag,

 

[MagnaTudes]

Looks like you have it all figured out my friend. The fenders are just extensions. I got those on my 2300. The Renegades are L9, not the wimpy Cummins 6.7 exhaust brake that is in that goofy Europa prototype that is still a work in progress. Just got back from a 3500 mile boondocking trip. Nothing like big tanks! How is the Howard coming along?

 

[pronstar]

How short can you go?

I’d for sure paint that school-bus yellow [emoji106][emoji4]


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[v6toy4x]

Looks like you have it all figured out my friend. The fenders are just extensions. I got those on my 2300. The Renegades are L9, not the wimpy Cummins 6.7 exhaust brake that is in that goofy Europa prototype that is still a work in progress. Just got back from a 3500 mile boondocking trip. Nothing like big tanks! How is the Howard coming along?

I am definitely out on the 6.7 in anything beyond the ram 5500 however the floor-plan would be doable if it had L9 getup and go.
There is another thread on here about my Howard, it is being laid up right now couple weeks in the mold and then it comes to life!
Hoping for it to be done by end of the year.

Nice to see you are using the 2300, if you get tired of it drop me a line before you sell it!
We just bought our retirement house a year early, so the new motorhome may have to wait ($$) a year or so until I move out of our current home permanently.

 

[Sherpa]

I'd be happy putting my 31 Fleetwood Jamboree "W" model coach onto this super C type chassis cab..... big countertop, rear-headboard queen bed,
usable dinette and small couch-bed, along with full upper bed over the driver compartment. just tired of the Ford E450 powertrain.

--Sherpa

 

[sirbob]

I like this - I’d ditch the dinette for a table and chairs

 

[MagnaTudes]

2018 36 foot Renegade Explorer DD13 Allison TRV4000 like new

 

[v6toy4x]

2018 36 foot Renegade Explorer DD13 Allison TRV4000 like new

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Small world I called them on that very coach yesterday, they took my info but it is pretty much sold.

The DD13 505/1850 with the 4000 "HOLY GRAIL" IT is as bullet proof as you are getting.
Still 3-4 feet longer than I want.

 

[MagnaTudes]

I learned about it before it was posted less than a week ago. Someone is going to score a gorgeous, nearly new gem at a reasonable price. If my barn was 4 feet longer I would have been all over this one. Bulletproof, luxurious and Alcan ready.

 

[Waterjunky]

I like my Jayco Seneca but those renegades are impressive....... However they are double the price of the jayco's also.

 

[v6toy4x]

I like my Jayco Seneca but those renegades are impressive....... However they are double the price of the jayco's also.

Anything with a 505/1850 DD13 with an allison 4000 is going to be big dollars

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

2018 36 foot Renegade Explorer DD13 Allison TRV4000 like new

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That thing has automatic snow chains. How bad ass is that?

 

[pwerwagn]

There is a big gap in the Super C market, I agree.

We had a 6316 Gulf Stream super on the 5500 kodiak. Was 32’ long, had a good floor plan. Ran great, towed ~7-8k lbs great.

Traded up for a 6372 supernova on the IH 4200 chassis. Drives/handles like a dream compared to the kodiak chassis and we love the floor plan, but needs a few hundred more hp though!
I also have always been dumbfounded how many rv’s put the dinette on the street side. We don’t camp in campgrounds, but I would still like to look where I camped while im sitting down!

 

[Waterjunky]

Anything with a 505/1850 DD13 with an allison 4000 is going to be big dollars

and yet I would have paid for the upgrade without skipping a beat.....
Unfortunately options like that are not available from Jayco. I think they only order one chassis for everything. No options or changes.

 

[v6toy4x]

and yet I would have paid for the upgrade without skipping a beat.....
Unfortunately options like that are not available from Jayco. I think they only order one chassis for everything. No options or changes.

Agree, I would pay the $$ for the power, it seems all the manufacturers only want to power their models at a minimum level.
Only offering the bigger power in the bigger coaches.
Can you imagine Eliminator, DCB or Howard limiting their enigine size to hull length to meet a price point?

Yes Jayco runs the S2RV chassis that is limited at the 6.7, aiming for a price point.

 

[MagnaTudes]

2020 Renegade Verona 34VQB 33'-11" bumper to bumper.

Near new 34VQB w/ aquahot & induction stovetop

Same length as a Dynamax Europa but higher quality with a L9 and Allison TRV3200

 

[v6toy4x]

2020 Renegade Verona 34VQB 33'-11" bumper to bumper.

Near new 34VQB w/ aquahot & induction stovetop

Same length as a Dynamax Europa but higher quality with a L9 and Allison TRV3200

Last I checked you had to step up to the Verona LE to get the L9??

 

[MagnaTudes]

Last I checked you had to step up to the Verona LE to get the L9??

Nope, always was standard on Verona.

 

[MagnaTudes]

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