Ocare for dummies.

[was thatguy]

https://fee.org/articles/this-is-how-the-obamacare-story-will-end/

 

[SBMech]

Everyone knew this was going to be a disaster. Good job tards!:finger

 

[was thatguy]

Everyone knew this was going to be a disaster. Good job tards!:finger

It's a disaster for the majority of the middle class.
It's an overwhelming success for the socialists.

Killary has stated outright that nationalized health care is the answer.

 

[AzGeo]

illegals, criminals, and those who refuse to sign up by-passed the law and will still get State operated ACCESS, or State Aid, if they ever need it .

So all the 'law biding citizens' signed up, had their 'status confirmed by the IRS' and that is what they (Obama/left) wanted in the first place .

It was never really about HEALTHCARE, but always about 'a federal list of everyone and all of their personal business' .

The 'plan' worked, because they forced thru a LAW, and the healthcare won't make it because it was never something they really wanted or cared about .

Look back, a number of us were calling this fiasco out for what it always was years ago, yet some here "still believe" .......... and will vote for HRC .

 

[Oso Viejo]

Just like most of the Obammer platform, the healthcare coverage plan failed to recognize how the industry worked, (or didn't work), in the first place. He and his advisors were convinced that simply adding millions of 'lives' into the problem would dilute the costs and make the profits palatable to the managed care and insurance companies who would be underwriting te cost of the program. Would have worked too were it not for all of those dang sick folks who expected first class care.

Any wide ranging healthcare reform in the US that doesn't adequately address Tort Reform and the extravagant use of high tech solution for low tech problems will be destined to fail.

 

[AzGeo]

Just like most of the Obammer platform, the healthcare coverage plan failed to recognize how the industry worked, (or didn't work), in the first place. He and his advisors were convinced that simply adding millions of 'lives' into the problem would dilute the costs and make the profits palatable to the managed care and insurance companies who would be underwriting te cost of the program. Would have worked too were it not for all of those dang sick folks who expected first class care.

Any wide ranging healthcare reform in the US that doesn't adequately address Tort Reform and the extravagant use of high tech solution for low tech problems will be destined to fail.

I don't recall any private insurance companies getting out of the 'pool' due to 'lawsuit payouts', they bailed because it was never designed to work period .....

 

[was thatguy]

illegals, criminals, and those who refuse to sign up by-passed the law and will still get State operated ACCESS, or State Aid, if they ever need it .

So all the 'law biding citizens' signed up, had their 'status confirmed by the IRS' and that is what they (Obama/left) wanted in the first place .

It was never really about HEALTHCARE, but always about 'a federal list of everyone and all of their personal business' .

The 'plan' worked, because they forced thru a LAW, and the healthcare won't make it because it was never something they really wanted or cared about .

Look back, a number of us were calling this fiasco out for what it always was years ago, yet some here "still believe" .......... and will vote for HRC .

Good point.

Data and personal info harvesting was a nice byproduct for the socialist agenda.
But even putting that aside it was never about actual care.

What the supporters seem to refuse to grasp is that "coverage" does not equal "care".
After Ocare went into effect, the first time I made an appointment with my primary care doctor his office asked me if I had a metal plan through covered ca. "No", I said. "It's the same individual PPO Blue Shield as I've always had".
Good thing, because they refused that coverage out right.
I watched patients and doctors dissapear from what was a competent oncology center.
Saw people we knew in the chemo wards dissapear. The nurses told us many had to change providers because they were forced into coverage that was not accepted, usually because their employer dropped group coverage due to cost, or their personal plans were pulled.
Now I'm sure that some people with top level silver or gold plans don't see this perhaps, but those aren't the people that lacked coverage to start with.

I dropped my similar Blue Shield PPO a few months ago because I simply couldn't afford it anymore, and my new employer provides a pretty good PPO with gap as part of my compensation.
(Hard to believe these days).

But we absolutely don't dare fuck with Debs Blue Shield. No sir no way. Her expenses are in the millions. That 4 grand out of pocket and $750 a month is a bargain. (Although that $750 premium was only $265 a month not too long ago)

So although we have lucked out with grandfathered plans, the cost forced me out of mine. If I ever go directional consulting again I'll have to find something...

All these small parts that make up what we see as the complete failure of this debacle are the things that the socialists see as achievements towards their goal.

 

[was thatguy]

One-third of US won't have choice between Obamacare plans in 2017

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/heal...obamacare-plans-in-2017/ar-BBvPqWr?li=BBnb7Kz

 

[regor]

A new study by independent analyst Charles Gaba, who has crunched the numbers for insurers participating in the ACA exchanges in all 50 states, calculated that the average Obamacare premium increase across the entire US will be 24% this year.

Good job Grubers! :thumbsup

 

[500bbc]

Good Lord liberals are idiots.


They're going to "elect" someone even worse in November.

Fucking lemmings:finger

 

[spectra3279]

So much for the affordable part. The gooberment can't even afford it

 

[AzGeo]

Criminal records, school records, employment and unemployment records, state and federal TAX records, military service records, driving records, fishing/hunting/camping records, property tax records, vehicle registration and smog check records, insurance (home/auto/life) records, birth records, social security records, social or political group records, phone and cell phone records, all kinds of BANKING records, and then throw in all the info REQUIRED to sign up for a government mandated HEALTH (?) program .

Now that the US federal government has all this information about YOU; "Law abiding Joe citizen", we just want one more thing . We will soon be demanding (under queen HRC) that you come in and register ALL your FIREARMS, with us (again). Then we will determine which ones you can keep or not, but don't worry, it's all for your own good . Don't ask us to go and get the guns from the criminals, that would be too difficult and costly .............

IF one US political party was instructed to "vote for the bill to learn what was in it", was the advertised contents of that bill REALLY the POINT ?

 

[spectra3279]

Criminal records, school records, employment and unemployment records, state and federal TAX records, military service records, driving records, fishing/hunting/camping records, property tax records, vehicle registration and smog check records, insurance (home/auto/life) records, birth records, social security records, social or political group records, phone and cell phone records, all kinds of BANKING records, and then throw in all the info REQUIRED to sign up for a government mandated HEALTH (?) program .

Now that the US federal government has all this information about YOU; "Law abiding Joe citizen", we just want one more thing . We will soon be demanding (under queen HRC) that you come in and register ALL your FIREARMS, with us (again). Then we will determine which ones you can keep or not, but don't worry, it's all for your own good . Don't ask us to go and get the guns from the criminals, that would be too difficult and costly .............

IF one US political party was instructed to "vote for the bill to learn what was in it", was the advertised contents of that bill REALLY the POINT ?

If you have to vote on it to see what it is. That is not a bill. That is extortion. It should have been thrown out on the principle it was not a bill, bills are complete and all filled out and ready to enact short of modifications to get it to pass.

 

[regor]

In 2017 there will be only one insurer selling health care plans in the Obamacare exchanges in one-third of the country, according to an analysis from Avalere experts. Avalere, a health care consulting firm, compared the health insurance carriers that offered Obamacare coverage in 2016 to the carriers who have announced their intention to exit the exchanges in 2017, such as Aetna, Humana, UnitedHealthcare, and some co-ops.

www.WhenDumbFucksVote.com

 

[regor]

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" was the pimp's signature catchphrase he used to sell the Tardcare to the American people. Now Obamacare's flagship website, healthcare.gov, no longer even addresses the issue. :rotflmao:

"Stronger Fooled" 2016!!!!!!! :thumbsup

 

[94Nautique]

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" was the pimp's signature catchphrase he used to sell the Tardcare to the American people. Now Obamacare's flagship website, healthcare.gov, no longer even addresses the issue. :rotflmao:

"Stronger Fooled" 2016!!!!!!! :thumbsup

Gruuuuuuuuuuuuuuber!!!!!

 

[AzGeo]

If you have to vote on it to see what it is. That is not a bill. That is extortion. It should have been thrown out on the principle it was not a bill, bills are complete and all filled out and ready to enact short of modifications to get it to pass.

Voting for any legislation while having 'never read it', or 'knowing what is in the bill', is actually, 'promoting false legislation', or plain 'no doing your sworn federal job/duty' .

Every legislator who voted FOR the unknown bill, committed a crime . They promoted legislation into US LAW not knowing if the legislation was good, bad, or totally against the US Constitution .

Pelosi and Reid were some of the most vocal, and should be the first on trial for "inciting a call to vote under false conditions" before Congress . Those Democrats are federal employees, and are paid to do their work on behalf of US citizens, not the DNC, or Obama .

No matter how much money wasted, how many laws broken, no one will ever be indited, nor see jail, because they are all crooks of one kind or another ......

 

[regor]

A recent "undercover enrollment" investigation conducted by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that pretty much anyone can sign up for Obamacare and receive taxpayer funded incentives without having to worry about pesky little details like proving citizenship, identity or income-based needs. In fact, the study found that every single one of its 15 fictitious Obamacare applications were actually approved for coverage despite intentional application omissions, fictitious identification and citizenship documentation, etc. Moreover, all of the applications were also approved for federal subsidies which totaled $60,000 per year.

www.GruberGoesToThePolls.com :thumbsup

 

[MSum661]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/14/california-dems-push-for-obamacare-for-illegal-immigrants/

"California Democrats advocated for President Barack Obama to sign a waiver allowing undocumented immigrants to buy healthcare plans through the Obamacare exchanges Wednesday, claiming the change would not be federally subsidized."

 

[spectra3279]

I ain't paying for that shit. Fuck them