Outlaw Nationals at Sundance this weekend

[Full Pull]

 

[Full Pull]

 

[sintax]

Campbell Carl on the assist…miss that guy.

I was gonna say, either we went back in time or he’s got a doppelgänger out there!

 

[twocents]

Not sure what this tells us about this Forum and the future of power boat racing in general. So far over 50 replies and over 3,000 reactions to the Outlaw Nationals at Sundance while the 75th Annual SCSC Thanksgiving Regatta at Parker has generated just 4 replies and about 400 reactions. Anything wrong with this picture?

 

[Wheeler]

Not sure what this tells us about this Forum and the future of power boat racing in general. So far over 50 replies and over 3,000 reactions to the Outlaw Nationals at Sundance while the 75th Annual SCSC Thanksgiving Regatta at Parker has generated just 4 replies and about 400 reactions. Anything wrong with this picture?

The racers and or Ross need to do a better job of promoting the races ?

 

[Wheeler]

Not sure what this tells us about this Forum and the future of power boat racing in general. So far over 50 replies and over 3,000 reactions to the Outlaw Nationals at Sundance while the 75th Annual SCSC Thanksgiving Regatta at Parker has generated just 4 replies and about 400 reactions. Anything wrong with this picture?

The cracker box class needs to go to an ls based engine?

Prize money needs to be paid to class winners? or at least some money to help with costs just to show up.

 

[sintax]

Not sure what this tells us about this Forum and the future of power boat racing in general. So far over 50 replies and over 3,000 reactions to the Outlaw Nationals at Sundance while the 75th Annual SCSC Thanksgiving Regatta at Parker has generated just 4 replies and about 400 reactions. Anything wrong with this picture?

I watched the race on SurfRat if that makes you feel any better. I do enjoy the races, but I also enjoy some good ol boys doing their thing.

 

[mash on it]

The racers and or Ross need to do a better job of promoting the races ?

What part of the 75th annual Thanksgiving Regatta is a surprise to you?

Dan'l

 

[RiverDave]

Not sure what this tells us about this Forum and the future of power boat racing in general. So far over 50 replies and over 3,000 reactions to the Outlaw Nationals at Sundance while the 75th Annual SCSC Thanksgiving Regatta at Parker has generated just 4 replies and about 400 reactions. Anything wrong with this picture?

Interesting post, and I'll bite..

yes it says a lot.

If ya like I'll give my two cents (pun intended) on it tomorrow.

Either video or text... your choice..

Too much corruption not enough give a shit, and a "I wanna win" mentality" led us to where we are at. People are about the boats, fans are about the party, not the results... Race on Sunday sell on Monday is dead...

Unless you are talking about outboard cats and 130's. Then there is millions at stake.

RD

 

[Nanu/Nanu]

Not sure what this tells us about this Forum and the future of power boat racing in general. So far over 50 replies and over 3,000 reactions to the Outlaw Nationals at Sundance while the 75th Annual SCSC Thanksgiving Regatta at Parker has generated just 4 replies and about 400 reactions. Anything wrong with this picture?

I think timing is a big thing to. This is the time of year when our family changes setups and we head down to the dunes. I think the same goes for other families here. The wife and I have talked about taking our girls 5/4 down to Havasu or parker area for events like this but this is the only one we know of and it falls on a holiday weekend.

Also do they hold events like this at other lakes in AZ? I would drive to Powell to see a boating event. Or if there were events like this, or the shootouts in the summer months at Powell I would try to schedule my trip so that could be something I could take the family to watch on the lake.

Hope it helps.

 

[Wheeler]

What part of the 75th annual Thanksgiving Regatta is a surprise to you?

Dan'l

The small turnout of boats and racers.

 

[Wheeler]

Interesting post, and I'll bite..

yes it says a lot.

If ya like I'll give my two cents (pun intended) on it tomorrow.

Either video or text... your choice..

Too much corruption not enough give a shit, and a "I wanna win" mentality" led us to where we are at. People are about the boats, fans are about the party, not the results... Race on Sunday sell on Monday is dead...

Unless you are talking about outboard cats and 130's. Then there is millions at stake.

RD

Have you considered starting up your own sanctioning body to compete with the APBA? I bet you could make it work!

 

[warpt71]

Not sure what this tells us about this Forum and the future of power boat racing in general. So far over 50 replies and over 3,000 reactions to the Outlaw Nationals at Sundance while the 75th Annual SCSC Thanksgiving Regatta at Parker has generated just 4 replies and about 400 reactions. Anything wrong with this picture?

I use to go to the circle races and would probably still go. Watching at Bluewater is a great time and you have a great view.

I started doing the Outlaw deal when it was very quiet and at Foxs. Owning a drag boat I tend to gravitate to those events a little more. More of my friends go to the Outlaws too.

From what I remember, the circle program is kind of slow and its truly an all day/weekend event. Knowing someone racing would make following it much more fun. Race announcing is another issue, if I as a spectator have no clue what the race results are or what the classes that are running, Im not engaged. Participation from the racers, I dont know any of the circle racers that post here or anywhere for that matter. Sundance is for sure a party as well and the passes are pretty quick, back to back and only one at a time. Maybe that makes it easier to follow? If the Outlaws didnt run, Id probably go sit on the beach at Bluewater again.

 

[twocents]

I appreciate all the feedback. Confirms a lot of what I thought. I give Ross and SCSC a lot of credit for keeping these racing traditions alive. I don't know much about the structure of an event like the Outlaw Nationals -- do they pull a Coast Guard permit -- is there any insurance coverage for racers or spectators? -- is there any medical services on-site or on the water? or is this just an on-the-down-low kind of thing, do at your own risk?

 

[Wheeler]

Campbell Carl…miss that guy.

His presence brought joy to all.

 

[Wheeler]

I appreciate all the feedback. Confirms a lot of what I thought. I give Ross and SCSC a lot of credit for keeping these racing traditions alive. I don't know much about the structure of an event like the Outlaw Nationals -- do they pull a Coast Guard permit -- is there any insurance coverage for racers or spectators? -- is there any medical services on-site or on the water? or is this just an on-the-down-low kind of thing, do at your own risk?

Without Ross there would be no circle races in the so cal / Parker area.

The racers and their crews might consider posting their photos and stories on one specific facebook page or whatever social media site they could all agree on.

 

[Wheeler]

I use to go to the circle races and would probably still go. Watching at Bluewater is a great time and you have a great view.

I started doing the Outlaw deal when it was very quiet and at Foxs. Owning a drag boat I tend to gravitate to those events a little more. More of my friends go to the Outlaws too.

From what I remember, the circle program is kind of slow and its truly an all day/weekend event. Knowing someone racing would make following it much more fun. Race announcing is another issue, if I as a spectator have no clue what the race results are or what the classes that are running, Im not engaged. Participation from the racers, I dont know any of the circle racers that post here or anywhere for that matter. Sundance is for sure a party as well and the passes are pretty quick, back to back and only one at a time. Maybe that makes it easier to follow? If the Outlaws didnt run, Id probably go sit on the beach at Bluewater again.

as a venue for spectating La paz is great!

 

[warpt71]

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@Full Pull any more of my buddy Dean in his DiMarco?

 

[outboardrick]

Not sure what this tells us about this Forum and the future of power boat racing in general. So far over 50 replies and over 3,000 reactions to the Outlaw Nationals at Sundance while the 75th Annual SCSC Thanksgiving Regatta at Parker has generated just 4 replies and about 400 reactions. Anything wrong with this picture?

For me it's the location. I think when the Casino/Marina opens back up the crowd will be better?

 

[Taboma]

Without Ross there would be no circle races in the so cal / Parker area.

The racers and their crews might consider posting their photos and stories on one specific facebook page or whatever social media site they could all agree on.

Or even RDP, since racing is rarely covered officially or otherwise on RDP, if not for the occasional images posted by a photog, it would like this race, had Mr Brown not brought it up --- " Race, what Race ? "
He mentioned a thread and I found it in the Racing Section (Of all places to look ) but I'm not sure anybody attended, because other than a Live Link, the thread seems to have died.

So sure, if the racers want fans, then maybe they need to beat the bushes and raise more awareness, other than Mr Games, who graces us with his fun Cracker Box pics and videos.

I used to follow it more years ago, when I knew a few driver's names, now like most forms of boat and car racing, I'm not rooting for anybody, so I've lost interest.

 

[Dana757]

As far as what it says about this site. I feel this site has always been more of a social deal then hardcore race. Over Thanksgiving most are with their families. The races at LaPaz are great if you’re racing. For a family of spectators there’s no amenities. No restaurant and such. The Outlaw event has all that.

Look at other venues. NJBA is the oldest one out there. Ming / Hart Park is the home of drag boat racing yet very very few spectators.
Now on the other hand the SCSC / APBA event at Long Beach is always packed. So they have a low draw at Parker and a huge turn out at LB. Safe to say that venues matters.

 

[warpt71]

As far as what it says about this site. I feel this site has always been more of a social deal then hardcore race. Over Thanksgiving most are with their families. The races at LaPaz are great if you’re racing. For a family of spectators there’s no amenities. No restaurant and such. The Outlaw event has all that.

Look at other venues. NJBA is the oldest one out there. Ming / Hart Park is the home of drag boat racing yet very very few spectators.
Now on the other hand the SCSC / APBA event at Long Beach is always packed. So they have a low draw at Parker and a huge turn out at LB. Safe to say that venues matters.

Is the Cantina at BW closed?

Another thing I thought of is pit access. I dont remember if you had to buy passes to get into the pits for the circle races or not? Outlaws, FREE, and you can walk up a touch a boat in the parking lot.

 

[Wheeler]

So sure, if the racers want fans, then maybe they need to beat the bushes and raise more awareness, other than Mr Games, who graces us with his fun Cracker Box pics and videos.

both my friends boats were down and out. Got 4 engines waiting for valve train parts and such. They will both be running in March.

I hear this was Andrews last race as he has more important things on his mind ... like catching up to Gregory.

@rivergames

 

[Dana757]

Is the Cantina at BW closed?

Another thing I thought of is pit access. I dont remember if you had to buy passes to get into the pits for the circle races or not? Outlaws, FREE, and you can walk up a touch a boat in the parking lot.

I don't know about the BW cantina but the races were at La Paz and they have zilch there.

 

[Taboma]

I hear this was Andrews last race as he has more important things on his mind ... like catching up to Gregory.

@rivergames

Ahhh crap, I get the more important things, like girls being one example. But I'm afraid your superior wit has left feeling stupid as to whom Gregory is and why Mr Games wants to catch him

 

[Dana757]

As far as other stuff goes. I do not know it it's permitted. I do know the river is not closed. They have boats on each end with signage asking for no wake and to use the CA side. But if ya blast right through the middle (and some do) it's not like you'll be chased down. They do have rescue people on the pontoon in the center. I don't know much about the rescue team this year. Tony used to get guys that do it for the drag races. When Wayne went over they got him on a backboard pretty quick.

 

[Wheeler]

Ahhh crap, I get the more important things, like girls being one example. But I'm afraid your superior wit has left feeling stupid as to whom Gregory is and why Mr Games wants to catch him

I'll let Andrew answer any questions on his racing career. I just heard the talk around the pits and didn't ask any questions.

 

[RiverDave]

Have you considered starting up your own sanctioning body to compete with the APBA? I bet you could make it work!

Literally no desire.. I did the enduro thing for three years and I have had my fill of boat racing.

 

[RiverDave]

His presence brought joy to all.
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Truth!

 

[RiverDave]

Or even RDP, since racing is rarely covered officially or otherwise on RDP, if not for the occasional images posted by a photog, it would like this race, had Mr Brown not brought it up --- " Race, what Race ? "
He mentioned a thread and I found it in the Racing Section (Of all places to look ) but I'm not sure anybody attended, because other than a Live Link, the thread seems to have died.

So sure, if the racers want fans, then maybe they need to beat the bushes and raise more awareness, other than Mr Games, who graces us with his fun Cracker Box pics and videos.

I used to follow it more years ago, when I knew a few driver's names, now like most forms of boat and car racing, I'm not rooting for anybody, so I've lost interest.

I used to cover them years back.. there was very little interest and it’s not cheap to cover events..

Years back I was in the pits on thanksgiving talking to Tom Buckles… he said “Dave you see Vic over there taking pics and posting results you need to do that”

I said “How’s that working out for him”

He said “Point Taken”

This is the first year I missed the outlaw deal.. I wanted to spend the day with my kids off-roading, but I did send @FastLoudPhoto down there to cover it, which I’m sure will end up being better coverage than I would do.

 

[Wheeler]

I used to cover them years back.. there was very little interest and it’s not cheap to cover events..

Years back I was in the pits on thanksgiving talking to Tom Buckles… he said “Dave you see Vic over there taking pics and posting results you need to do that”

I said “How’s that working out for him”

He said “Point Taken”

This is the first year I missed the outlaw deal.. I wanted to spend the day with my kids off-roading, but I did send @FastLoudPhoto down there to cover it, which I’m sure will end up being better coverage than I would do.

at least you made a go of it.

 

[Wheeler]

 

[old rigger]

I don't know about the BW cantina but the races were at La Paz and they have zilch there.

Races at LaPaz had BBQ, we didn't eat there but they were plugging them on the P.A. during intermission.

Good racing and our friend swept the unblown flat class with 4 first places....with a SBC to boot!

 

[rivergames]

I'll let Andrew answer any questions on his racing career. I just heard the talk around the pits and didn't ask any questions.

Greg is my brother. He's popping a kid out in March.

My wife had a bad Epitomic Pregnancy this past Labor Day weekend. We get the green light to start trying for another in January.

I love Crackers, but IMO, they are too fast these days. Plus I almost got wiped out by another cracker in Burley back in June. My buddy Tim is going to shoe the P550 next year for us.

We are working on getting the Top Alcohol Flat ready for next season. Tony Costantino will drive. I'll get my license and probably drive down the road. Once I pick up a hefty bundle of life insurance.

I want to find a nice 21' and make it an Enduro Boat and do a few Ski Races each year OR find a good boat for the GPS 100 Class.

 

[rivermobster]

Not sure what this tells us about this Forum and the future of power boat racing in general. So far over 50 replies and over 3,000 reactions to the Outlaw Nationals at Sundance while the 75th Annual SCSC Thanksgiving Regatta at Parker has generated just 4 replies and about 400 reactions. Anything wrong with this picture?

Very few racers post on this forum. They have better things to do.

Does that mean there is anything wrong with that? Absolutely not. This is a social forum, and hence the need to talk more about the new refrigerator someone bought other than making E85 mandatory for all the racers.

Also...

If they would have moved the Sundance event to Sunday morning, instead of Saturday morning (same time as the Enduro) it would have been PACKED!

Bad timing.

I also think the LaPaz venue is WAY better than the Casino. I don't think Ross will Ever go back to the casino from the chatter I've heard.

 

[GPR721]

Here are a few pics from the CA side.

 

[cofooter]

Races at LaPaz had BBQ, we didn't eat there but they were plugging them on the P.A. during intermission.

Good racing and our friend swept the unblown flat class with 4 first places....with a SBC to boot!

Corey is badass in that dirty bird!

 

[cofooter]

Very few racers post on this forum. They have better things to do.

Does that mean there is anything wrong with that? Absolutely not. This is a social forum, and hence the need to talk more about the new refrigerator someone bought other than making E85 mandatory for all the racers.

Also...

If they would have moved the Sundance event to Sunday morning, instead of Saturday morning (same time as the Enduro) it would have been PACKED!

Bad timing.

I also think the LaPaz venue is WAY better than the Casino. I don't think Ross will Ever go back to the casino from the chatter I've heard.

Agree, between boat races, the outlaw thing, off roading, desert bar big weekend, and people wanting to take their own boats out in the beautiful weather there was just too much to do on the same days. It was definitely not for lack of people in Parker, it was packed........

 

[coolchange]

I agree with the cracker comment. I love them and it’s one of the best classes out there but it’s coming. A boat originally made for a flat head now running nascar motors, it’s past due.

 

[rivermobster]

I just wanted to quote you while I had the chance. Will there be a follow up on your cast iron skillet thread?

Definitely maybe.

 

[Wheeler]

 

[Wheeler]

 

[Wheeler]

Interesting post, and I'll bite..

yes it says a lot.

If ya like I'll give my two cents (pun intended) on it tomorrow.

Either video or text... your choice..

Too much corruption not enough give a shit, and a "I wanna win" mentality" led us to where we are at. People are about the boats, fans are about the party, not the results... Race on Sunday sell on Monday is dead...

Unless you are talking about outboard cats and 130's. Then there is millions at stake.

RD

Did I miss your video press conference on the state of boat racing or are you working on it?

 

[FastLoudPhoto]

For what its worth... I did stop by the regatta to shoot a few laps before the Outlaw show-n-shine. There was a decent crowd. Not like Long Beach, but the shores were pretty full with spectators. Here's a few shots...

 

[FastLoudPhoto]

I appreciate all the feedback. Confirms a lot of what I thought. I give Ross and SCSC a lot of credit for keeping these racing traditions alive. I don't know much about the structure of an event like the Outlaw Nationals -- do they pull a Coast Guard permit -- is there any insurance coverage for racers or spectators? -- is there any medical services on-site or on the water? or is this just an on-the-down-low kind of thing, do at your own risk?

From what I understand, its the latter of your two descriptions. Its a great event, and they do have spotter boats, but no officially trained medical crews on stand by. I've wondered how they get away with closing the river for hours without pulling a permit, but maybe they do. I don't know either. But it sure does draw the crowds.

 

[instagator]

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Nice run!

 

[twocents]

From what I understand, its the latter of your two descriptions. Its a great event, and they do have spotter boats, but no officially trained medical crews on stand by. I've wondered how they get away with closing the river for hours without pulling a permit, but maybe they do. I don't know either. But it sure does draw the crowds.

Hi Erick -- I was just curious how the structure of the event is created. Agency permitting on boating events along the Parker Strip don't seem to be very consistent -- some events are heavily scrutinized while others appear to fly under the radar until something unfortunate happens. If events like this don't have generous liability insurance coverage I wouldn't be sleeping at night. But it does look like a lot of fun.

 

[NorCalRiverRat]

anyone know what make, year and model "ShotGun" SE-130 is ? the hull looks like a jet boat but the engine placement and cavitation plates say V-Drive.

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[Terminal Velocity]

anyone know what make, year and model "ShotGun" SE-130 is ? the hull looks like a jet boat but the engine placement and cavitation plates say V-Drive.

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16' Steve Jones Flattbottom, fixed plates. Used to be driven by Kip Brown out of washington

 

[boatnam2]

Pretty sure they don't close the river, they monitor it, in fact 4 years ago a boat drove by unknowing person just cruising along didn't know there was an non-event going on, everyone on echo side was yelling at him and he slowed down to idle. Problem was Scott Steele was taking his turn and and had come in from echo ramp and making turn at sandbar for a pass, he had no ideal of a boat wake and hit it at full speed, boat stood straight up nose to the sky, I got a sick feeling in my stomach and was thinking the worse, boat landed and Scott got right back into it, dude has some big balls for sure. Its not a race just people making passes, which happen every weekend of the summer.