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This makes a houseboat going through the channel on a holiday weekend look tame.

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My wife, the two kids and a friend of ours watched this happen.

There were literally dozens of boats anchored directly in the navigation channel and hundreds more blocking them in. The Coast Guard and Sheriff boats were busily getting people to move but the captain of the Spirit showed some epic bad judgement here.

If the captain worked for me if I would expect a resignation letter by 9AM Monday or he would be fired for cause by 10.
 
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Wow.. The captain forgot the first rule of being a captain. "Avoid a collision first"
 

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Hahahaha... I don't care if I'm breaking the law in a federal channel. I want to park my boat right in the middle and complain when I suffer the consequences.:skull:skull:skull The captain of the boat needed to continually sound the horn:thumbup:
 

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I was there. I was 60 feet from the boat that got hit, and at one point the back of that stupid spirt was 5 feet from our boat. The news and coast guard wants to say that there was more than the PS who tried to use the channel and that is total bullshit! Just last week they let these Greenpeace fucks dangle from a bridge to prevent a ship from passing that cost the tax payers 10s of thousands of dollars. And rather than tell that PS idiot to fuck off, you can take a day off so that they can benefit from the 100k people there for the event they chose to let him do this shit and then shut the event down. This is a fail by the coast guard, the sherrif, the city of Portland, and a huge fail by the PS captain and staff. Regardless of the legality it was TERRIBLE judgement by the captain to do what he did. His dock is 1000 feet from where this event took place. It's not like he came around the corner and there it was, he could see the entire thing from his wheelhouse when they shoved off! He chose to do that knowing what was going to happen. I see no good reason why he didn't go the other direction and gone down river!
 

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I was there. I was 60 feet from the boat that got hit, and at one point the back of that stupid spirt was 5 feet from our boat. The news and coast guard wants to say that there was more than the PS who tried to use the channel and that is total bullshit! Just last week they let these Greenpeace fucks dangle from a bridge to prevent a ship from passing that cost the tax payers 10s of thousands of dollars. And rather than tell that PS idiot to fuck off, you can take a day off so that they can benefit from the 100k people there for the event they chose to let him do this shit and then shut the event down. This is a fail by the coast guard, the sherrif, the city of Portland, and a huge fail by the PS captain and staff. Regardless of the legality it was TERRIBLE judgement by the captain to do what he did. His dock is 1000 feet from where this event took place. It's not like he came around the corner and there it was, he could see the entire thing from his wheelhouse when they shoved off! He chose to do that knowing what was going to happen. I see no good reason why he didn't go the other direction and gone down river!


Hmmm so were you legally anchored at the time... Oh who am I kidding. Fuck that boat captain. Laws don't mean shit.. and it's the boatcops fault for letting all of those people break the law in the first place:skull
 

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Hmmm so were you legally anchored at the time... Oh who am I kidding. Fuck that boat captain. Laws don't mean shit.. and it's the boatcops fault for letting all of those people break the law in the first place:skull
Yes. We were out of the channel his shit box blew into where we were at because he was fucking around out there.
 

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My bad for being entertained with the "cannon fodder of RDP squooz" all up in arms.

I was thinking how funny if a few of the other members were moored next....

I know I am not 'spost to laugh, but how can you not?

Too soon?

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Thank God nobody was killed during that epic fail. However that captain should have his license revoked...
 

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After reading the article, it sounds like very poor planning by the event folks, the city, and the CG.......Leaving the middle of the channel open would have solved the issue unless I'm missing something?
 

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That there falls under the tonage rule... He who displaces the most stays on course. ;)

Right or wrong, what does it matter if you end up dead?

When we are under sail power we have the right of way, but what difference does it matter if you go under the bow of a bigger boat, that either doesn't know, or doesn't care?

I find it hard to believe none of those dipshits knew they need to yield to a navigable waterway.

I am not surprised that the resident RDP imbecile, from Oregon, feels he didn't contribute to the mess.

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I was there. I was 60 feet from the boat that got hit, and at one point the back of that stupid spirt was 5 feet from our boat. The news and coast guard wants to say that there was more than the PS who tried to use the channel and that is total bullshit! Just last week they let these Greenpeace fucks dangle from a bridge to prevent a ship from passing that cost the tax payers 10s of thousands of dollars. And rather than tell that PS idiot to fuck off, you can take a day off so that they can benefit from the 100k people there for the event they chose to let him do this shit and then shut the event down. This is a fail by the coast guard, the sherrif, the city of Portland, and a huge fail by the PS captain and staff. Regardless of the legality it was TERRIBLE judgement by the captain to do what he did. His dock is 1000 feet from where this event took place. It's not like he came around the corner and there it was, he could see the entire thing from his wheelhouse when they shoved off! He chose to do that knowing what was going to happen. I see no good reason why he didn't go the other direction and gone down river!

EXACTLY!!!
 

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After reading the article, it sounds like very poor planning by the event folks, the city, and the CG.......Leaving the middle of the channel open would have solved the issue unless I'm missing something?

Sounds like why the CG revoked the permit.
 

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Right or wrong, what does it matter if you end up dead?

When we are under sail power we have the right of way, but what difference does it matter if you go under the bow of a bigger boat, that either doesn't know, or doesn't care?

I find it hard to believe none of those dipshits knew they need to yield to a navigable waterway.

I am not surprised that the resident RDP imbecile, from Oregon, feels he didn't contribute to the mess.

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Someone showed bad judgement...

" Dropping anchor in the area the collision occurred is prohibited because it is a federal channel for boat travel, the sheriff's office said."
 

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If this video was of a tour bus operator purposely driving into a crowd of cars illegally parked on the road with hundreds of pedestrians milling around watching an event would it be OK?

That Captain left his dock which is right next to the event. Motored directly into a crowd of anchored boats (Yes illegally anchored), did a shorter than normal run up river, and then motored back into a crowd of lets say four hundred boats... His decks just happened to be the best viewing spot for the show. The Portland Spirit sells entertainment on the river and don't discount for a minute that the captain chose to head the direction he did for just that reason.

As far as being illegally anchored in the shipping channel: Yes it is illegal and more than that it is stupid. BUT Anybody who uses the Willamette on a regular basis could point out many times a summer when entertainment based events (Rose Festival Fireworks, 4th of July Fireworks, Blues Festival, etc) has the river packed with pleasure boaters.

The captain knowingly and willingly put lives in danger for a brunch cruise. A commercial operation by definition but nothing more than a glorified SS Minnow in application.
 

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Imbecile....if your Aunt had a dick, she would be your uncle. :) smiley added for RD.



If this video was of a tour bus operator purposely driving into a crowd of cars illegally parked on the road with hundreds of pedestrians milling around watching an event would it be OK?

That Captain left his dock which is right next to the event. Motored directly into a crowd of anchored boats (Yes illegally anchored), did a shorter than normal run up river, and then motored back into a crowd of lets say four hundred boats... His decks just happened to be the best viewing spot for the show. The Portland Spirit sells entertainment on the river and don't discount for a minute that the captain chose to head the direction he did for just that reason.

As far as being illegally anchored in the shipping channel: Yes it is illegal and more than that it is stupid. BUT Anybody who uses the Willamette on a regular basis could point out many times a summer when entertainment based events (Rose Festival Fireworks, 4th of July Fireworks, Blues Festival, etc) has the river packed with pleasure boaters.

The captain knowingly and willingly put lives in danger for a brunch cruise. A commercial operation by definition but nothing more than a glorified SS Minnow in application.
 

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Hahahaha... I don't care if I'm breaking the law in a federal channel. I want to park my boat right in the middle and complain when I suffer the consequences.:skull:skull:skull The captain of the boat needed to continually sound the horn:thumbup:

Exactly. "I have a roll bar boat and an 18 pack of beer. I shouldn't have to move for a 300' boat". He should have run everyone of those douches over.
 

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I'm just guessing here but I deduce the coast guard and boat cops had been trying to get peopel to move their boats for a while before the big boat came rollin though. Kinda makes me laugh that all of a sudden it's an emergency to move and they get shit done but can't seem to move their boats out of the way up until that point. Love the guy yelling, "you're a fucking idiot!" Who's the idiot anchored in the middle of the channel that didn't listen to the warnings to move? lol

Poor planning on the event planners part and the permit issuers part to allow ships movement anywhere near that event. Poor judgement to run your ship through a group of anchored boats. Bad organization seems to be the root of all this. Oh well, no more flutag in Portland.
 

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Commercial vessels have a 'registered time of departure, and arrival, along with a charted/plotted course', all of which allow "slight deviations', but not much . In other words, the captain can't just "go the other way" because idiots are blocking his course .

If a group of boaters tied together and blocked the registered normal path of the Tecopa ferry boat that runs between Havasu City and the Casino, the captain has the right to call the USCG, and have the 'man made obstruction' removed . They may leave course in emergencies .

The Havasu ferry has a 'normal registered course and time limits as to arrival and departures', so if you are boating in the channel and have an 'impact with the ferry boat', the LEOs will ask YOU why you didn't get out of the path of a 30 ton power vessel, in your 2 ton vessel while in restricted clearance waters . (the channel is narrow for that big of a boat)

Conversely, sail and hand power do have 'right of way', unless the power vessel is in fear of 'grounding', or 'to large to maneuver under water conditions' (like a narrow channel). It would be 'unsafe' for a 100 ton power vessel to maneuver around a Hobie Cat, under certain conditions, and the USCG has written the laws for just these kinds of rare conditions .

I was saddened to see in the video that the USCG had not 'cleared a safe path', thru what I assume is a 'navigable public water way' . Can't just park where you like, permit or not !
 

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Wow. Anchor in a shipping canal and it's some one else's problem when things don't go well? Take a frigging boating coarse then apply that when you anchor. To come on a boating website and bitch about the results of your ignorance?? Please. Learn to except your ignorance and move on quietly. Don't look for sympathy when you do something dumb.
 

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Exactly. "I have a roll bar boat and an 18 pack of beer. I shouldn't have to move for a 300' boat". He should have run everyone of those douches over.

:lmao Oh my gosh...



As stated in another post. We had to deal with the "danglers" here in Port town. Every local news channel was broadcasting the event most of the day. I do use the St. Johns bridge as an alternate route to/from work but the "danglers" had the bridge shut down so getting home was really not a problem that day which was strange. Once home, I flipped on the TV and couldn't pull myself away from ridiculousness. My kids joined me and also got sucked into the glow. Remember the scene from "Cowboys and Aliens" where all the abductee's were staring at the glow? Yeah, that's what we were doing too. Just staring at the glow.

Well, as the Shell Fenica was steaming down river, the kayakers charged out to the channel so the Fenica had to come full stop with some reverse thrust and churned up a bunch of raw sewage from the river bottom and those kayak attackers would abandon their boats to try and swim out, in that raw sewage, as a final measure to completely stop that ship. Their efforts futile and the ship made it out but, eeewwwwww....The Mighty Willamette is just nasty.

So, the Portland Spirit. I've been on that boat once after an 18'r many years ago. They returned to dock and forced me and my party off the boat.
 

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Captain should have his license revoked and the charter company needs to be out of business. Period.

We had a similar issue here in Sac a few years back where we had a poker run and a boat pitched 4 people out in the water. The tour boat was coming up river and didn't seem to care that we were waving them to stop as we had a fear they would run someone over. They didn't seem to care....kind of like
those boats are on auto pilot.
 

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I'm thinking the capt of that boat won't even get a write up from the company. If you read the article it alludes that the CG was escorting them in. And the article says nothing about an investigation into the capt or even remotely hinting to it being the capt fault.
 

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I'm thinking the capt of that boat won't even get a write up from the company. If you read the article it alludes that the CG was escorting them in. And the article says nothing about an investigation into the capt or even remotely hinting to it being the capt fault.

Seriously? So if I get a CG "escort" through this I can hit whoever I want? :rolleyes Good to know.

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Seriously? So if I get a CG "escort" through this I can hit whoever I want? :rolleyes Good to know.

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Slow down...I never said it was right. Just saying it was a cluster f and appears nothing will happen to the capt. From what I read.

It's actually ironic that you posted that photo actually. That photo depicts why LE put "lanes" into copper canyon, thus basically killing it as a party spot (sending everyone up river to the sandbar). Boats rafted up and no one can get through...bad ju ju.
 

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I'm thinking the capt of that boat won't even get a write up from the company. If you read the article it alludes that the CG was escorting them in. And the article says nothing about an investigation into the capt or even remotely hinting to it being the capt fault.



Looks like the CG is looking into it a bit more...

http://www.katu.com/news/local/flug...-spirit-canceled-USA-suspended-320438832.html


Some damming statements in here.

https://www.facebook.com/portlandspiritboycott?fref=ts
 

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Captain should have his license revoked and the charter company needs to be out of business. Period.

We had a similar issue here in Sac a few years back where we had a poker run and a boat pitched 4 people out in the water. The tour boat was coming up river and didn't seem to care that we were waving them to stop as we had a fear they would run someone over. They didn't seem to care....kind of like
those boats are on auto pilot.

3 long blasts on the horn, Man overboard.:D
 

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Seriously? So if I get a CG "escort" through this I can hit whoever I want? :rolleyes Good to know.
You won't ever see a mosh pit like that again in Copper, the LEOs now have 'safety lanes' .
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The big boat Captain actually had the 'right of way', and the USCG on scene used a 'public address system' to warn the boaters illegally anchored in the 'navigable waters' . Late USCG warning and non-compliant boaters, caused the mess . There should ALWAYS be a safety lane near/thru a large group of small boats anchored, just common sense .

You seem a little slow on the point of most boater's posts, tired ?

On Havasu, in the channel, at the sand bar (Blankenship Bend) Steamboat, and in Copper Canyon, the local LEOs have set up "safety lanes', where people are NOT allowed to park, even though the areas are for 'parking and anchoring' . Large and small week ends the LEOs will come into the area and 'guide boats out of the safety lane' multiple times per day . They do it here to make easy access to any part of the area, for swift medical or LEO response .
 

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It'll be interesting what happens. There was a coast Guard skiff just off the starboard of the Portland spirit. They witnessed it but never did anything during or after . Now public outcry and an investigation starts? Hmmmm.

I'll be interested to see the outcome.

I love how dramatic people are "barreled through boats..." "Almost killed us..." Etc. Ships doing like 2 knots and miraculously everyone moved.

Whatever. People are fucking lame.
 

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This guy gets it.


Apparently the Portland Spirit assholes pulled the same shit in 2008, the last time the Flugtag was here! I hope someone sinks their ship! Such selfish and bullying behavior should not be tolerated. Red Bull spent a lot of money in this town for this...See More

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William Carr You're the asshole. They were blocking the waterway. It's like going to I-84, stopping in the middle of traffic, sitting on the yellow line in the middle of traffic, popping open a beer & eating a sandwich. It's illegal douche bags.
 

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It'll be interesting what happens. There was a coast Guard skiff just off the starboard of the Portland spirit. They witnessed it but never did anything during or after . Now public outcry and an investigation starts? Hmmmm.

I'll be interested to see the outcome.

I love how dramatic people are "barreled through boats..." "Almost killed us..." Etc. Ships doing like 2 knots and miraculously everyone moved.

Whatever. People are fucking lame.

The funniest line was that the lady "Pushed the Spirit away for her boat......":skull

In the less dramatic world of the good old days prior to PC and instant 24/7 communications, the ship would have passed through as the crowd pushed off and divided. Most likely nothing would have been said and all would have had a good laugh sharing the water space.......Nowadays it's us against them on who owns the fucking water at each minute of the day. Good grief, learn to get along people!!!!:rolleyes
 

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The funniest line was that the lady "Pushed the Spirit away for her boat......":skull

In the less dramatic world of the good old days prior to PC and instant 24/7 communications, the ship would have passed through as the crowd pushed off and divided. Most likely nothing would have been said and all would have had a good laugh sharing the water space.......Nowadays it's us against them on who owns the fucking water at each minute of the day. Good grief, learn to get along people!!!!:rolleyes

Back when people would actually move to the right for an emergency vehicle, nowadays not so much.
 

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You people are forgetting that this is the hippy liberal paradise of Portland..... :D

The boaters are morons for blocking a navigable channel, I don't care what the event is, you don't drop anchor unless you are out of the way. Especially in a place like Portland that is a fairly large port. This was herd mentality at it's finest. Nobody was in any kind of hurry to get their anchors up when they see this guy coming either... It was all "How dare you interrupt my recreation"....

The harbor patrol, sheriff, etc, whoever had jurisdiction to manage that channel seriously dropped the ball on preventing the anchoring and the crowd before it got out of hand....

The event organizers seriously dropped the ball on bouying off the area, or making dedicated waterside spectator zones.

As for the boat captain himself, I'm not sure what side i lean to on that one. If it was me, personally i would have said "No Fucking Way" to piloting that boat out of that cluster fuck. But there are some Old Salts out there that do shit a little differently. That being said he did a pretty decent job of getting through that cluster fuck. That takes some serious nerves.
 

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I read on line yesterday that the sprits capt was advised NOT to proceed. He didn't listen. The amount of fukitall pills that he had to have taken had to be courtney love status. Part of me is highly entertained by this but on the flip side of the coin if I was there I'd have found a way on board with a few others and beaten the shit out of that captain.

As for the event. Red Bull pulled the proper permits but never followed through with the oversight of the channel. I'd bet they assumed the CG and local law would have put temporary buoy lines marking an unrestricted channel for commerce. Every morning I'll guarantee these shipping companies on this river gets a report faxed or emailed to them daily. They knew about the permit zone.

In the end all are guilty of not doing shit right but the sprits capt is the most liable due to being advised no to proceed and going anyway. That means he knowingly and willingly put lives in danger. 5 injured. Red bull, CG, local law, and the company that operates the sprit will all be sued.
 

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snip'... Especially in a place like Portland that is a fairly large port. This was herd mentality at it's finest. Nobody was in any kind of hurry to get their anchors up when they see this guy coming either... It was all "How dare you interrupt my recreation"....

The harbor patrol, sheriff, etc, whoever had jurisdiction to manage that channel seriously dropped the ball on preventing the anchoring and the crowd before it got out of hand....


Almost correct Racey... yes Portland is a major port but the vast vast majority of that traffic never gets this far up the river as the last set of docks is about a half a mile down. The commercial traffic in this area is mostly limited to a few gravel barges during the work week and the entertainment operations that include the Portland Spirit.

The area where all the boats were anchored is a natural water amphitheater that sees events like this multiple times per year. The only time anchoring there has become a problem is when the Portland Spirit (Or a sister ship) decide it is there right to recklessly endanger other boaters. As far as harbor patrol, sheriff, etc their job is not easy on days like this and it has been my experience in 41 years of boating on the Columbia and Willamette that they do an admiral job keeping folks safe.

As far as fire and safety access the fire boat dock is directly across the river from this spot with more than generous room to get anywhere they need to be.

The only person in the crowd obviously out of control was the Captain of the Portland Spirit. (And the idiot in a Bayliner pulling two kids on a tube with a 75' line through the fray...)
 

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According to the article, the Coast Guard was escorting the boat through the crowd.

"The Coast Guard said it was not aware of any injuries while escorting the Spirit through the crowd. Loud speaker messages were broadcast for people to clear a path for the boat."

:headscratch:

Link to article here,

http://www.kgw.com/story/news/local/2015/08/01/flugtag-coast-guard/31001761/

Im going to start bringing a loud speaker with me to the channel, should help me cut though the traffic :thumbup:
 

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I read on line yesterday that the sprits capt was advised NOT to proceed. He didn't listen. The amount of fukitall pills that he had to have taken had to be courtney love status. Part of me is highly entertained by this but on the flip side of the coin if I was there I'd have found a way on board with a few others and beaten the shit out of that captain.

As for the event. Red Bull pulled the proper permits but never followed through with the oversight of the channel. I'd bet they assumed the CG and local law would have put temporary buoy lines marking an unrestricted channel for commerce. Every morning I'll guarantee these shipping companies on this river gets a report faxed or emailed to them daily. They knew about the permit zone.

In the end all are guilty of not doing shit right but the sprits capt is the most liable due to being advised no to proceed and going anyway. That means he knowingly and willingly put lives in danger. 5 injured. Red bull, CG, local law, and the company that operates the sprit will all be sued.
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My intuition is telling me the ships capt and the whole business were not happy with this event from the get go - probably from past experiences with it.
 

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According to the article, the Coast Guard was escorting the boat through the crowd.

"The Coast Guard said it was not aware of any injuries while escorting the Spirit through the crowd. Loud speaker messages were broadcast for people to clear a path for the boat."

:headscratch:

Link to article here,

http://www.kgw.com/story/news/local/2015/08/01/flugtag-coast-guard/31001761/

Like I said, there's clearly a CG skiff off the ships starboard.

If they had ordered him to stop or were fearful of public safety they could have boarded and seized the ship.


In the end, this is a grandiose case of entitlement on the parts of all parties. Red bulls like fuck it, it's our party, anchored boats are like fuck it, I'm here to watch the show, ships capt.s like fuck it, I'm docking.
 

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My intuition is telling me the ships capt and the whole business were not happy with this event from the get go - probably from past experiences with it.
I have no doubt. However it doesn't excuse the capt blatant lack of safety. Their permit probably said a channel had to be made for passage not a complete waterway shut down.
 
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