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With all due respect Joe. You didn’t know the difference between the new Prop 13 on the March ballot and the Split Roll Commercial Property Tax measure on the Nov. ballot..Just saying. :cool: :cool:

You are correct bro...

But I know a libtard when I see one. Fuck Rod.
 

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Okay. Let's say you are a staunch Republican, how would you vote on this?
 

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You are correct bro...

But I know a libtard when I see one. Fuck Rod.
Ha Ha Joe. I’ve had to explain the difference to many of my friends the last couple weeks. Was at my local pub last night explaining the difference. One old timer was concerned since he bought his home in Placentia in the late 70’s was pissed he was paying $1500 in property taxes. I told him I was paying 6K And he was safe for now with this different Prop 13. I told him they don’t retire good prop numbers like they do numbers in sports. :p :cool:
 

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Normally I would agree with you, however from my understanding the payback on this will be a addon to the property tax billing. It is a way to increase your property tax bill by passing the "old" prop13 increase limits. Which concerned me greatly when I read it. Hope you are right, and I am wrong....

I think this is the language that is causing confusion. They are still GO bonds paid by general state revenue (property, sales, income tax etc.).

Where there is potential to see an increase in local property taxes, a line item on our tax bills, is the ability for local school districts to raise their debt limit and issue local GO bonds. These bonds require a vote of the people within the district. If you live in a conservative area, may not be an issue. If you have a lot of progressive neighbors, you may be in trouble.

I‘ve attached the link below that presents the facts in greater detail, for and against.

Changes Local Funding Rules for Districts. The state also would make three key changes relating to school districts’ and community college districts’ local revenue-raising capacity. First, districts would be allowed to issue a higher amount of local general obligation bonds. Specifically, for elementary and high school districts, the limit would be raised from 1.25 percent to 2 percent of assessed property value. For unified school districts and community college districts, the limit would be raised from 2.5 percent to 4 percent of assessed property value. Second, school districts unable to raise $15 million under these new limits (up from the existing $5 million threshold) would be able to apply for additional state funding. Third, the state would establish new limits on developer fees. Specifically, school districts would be prohibited from assessing developer fees on multifamily residential developments (such as apartment complexes) located within a half-mile of a major transit stop (such as a light rail station). For all other multifamily residential developments, currently allowable developer fee levels would be reduced by 20 percent moving forward. These limitations would be in place until January 1, 2026.”

 

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I think this is the language that is causing confusion. They are still GO bonds paid by general state revenue (property, sales, income tax etc.).

Where there is potential to see an increase in local property taxes, a line item on our tax bills, is the ability for local school districts to raise their debt limit and issue local GO bonds. These bonds require a vote of the people within the district. If you live in a conservative area, may not be an issue. If you have a lot of progressive neighbors, you may be in trouble.

I‘ve attached the link below that presents the facts in greater detail, for and against.

Changes Local Funding Rules for Districts. The state also would make three key changes relating to school districts’ and community college districts’ local revenue-raising capacity. First, districts would be allowed to issue a higher amount of local general obligation bonds. Specifically, for elementary and high school districts, the limit would be raised from 1.25 percent to 2 percent of assessed property value. For unified school districts and community college districts, the limit would be raised from 2.5 percent to 4 percent of assessed property value. Second, school districts unable to raise $15 million under these new limits (up from the existing $5 million threshold) would be able to apply for additional state funding. Third, the state would establish new limits on developer fees. Specifically, school districts would be prohibited from assessing developer fees on multifamily residential developments (such as apartment complexes) located within a half-mile of a major transit stop (such as a light rail station). For all other multifamily residential developments, currently allowable developer fee levels would be reduced by 20 percent moving forward. These limitations would be in place until January 1, 2026.”


2-4% prop tax increase no thanks.
 

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If approved, will Newsom sign an executive order like he did the gas tax and siphon off the money to Climate Change initiatives?

Rod? What’s your prediction?

No, that’s not how it works.
 

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If approved, will Newsom sign an executive order like he did the gas tax and siphon off the money to Climate Change initiatives?

Rod? What’s your prediction?

My wife is still mad at me because I predicted that one. She's gonna put remember the gas tax? on my headstone.
 

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Ha Ha Joe. I’ve had to explain the difference to many of my friends the last couple weeks. Was at my local pub last night explaining the difference. One old timer was concerned since he bought his home in Placentia in the late 70’s was pissed he was paying $1500 in property taxes. I told him I was paying 6K And he was safe for now with this different Prop 13. I told him they don’t retire good prop numbers like they do numbers in sports. :p :cool:

There were people at the next table to me at dinner tonight...

One had it right, and one didn't. The guy who was wrong was Convinced he had it right.

It's just sad how they Intentionally design this stuff to create confusion.
 

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Growing up,California was the American Dream, everything was Good about "IT" and there just appeared to not be a negative. Races,Museums,Attractions,Flea Markets The Ocean and YES the Weather everyone everywhere was so envious of those living there. I just can not imagine how it got to this point is such a short amount of time. The time on here I am really shocked at Threads and Posts stating, I am leaving,I am Gone,We want to leave so bad.

Those in charge are a disgrace,because IMO there is No going back.👎
 

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No, that’s not how it works.

So Rod...

When the state has to pay back the interest on a loan, could you please tell the class exactly where that money comes from?

Does the state have a money tree?

Does the state have a printing press, so they can just go print what they need?

Or does it come from people that actually pay taxes?

Fill us all in on how this actually happens would you please?

Thanks So much!
 
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And for those who inherit property from family members, you CAN retain the Prop 13 tax base, watch that go bye bye.
 

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So Rod...

When the state has to pay back the interest on a loan, could you please tell the class exactly where that money comes from?

Does the state have a money tree?

Does the state have a printing press, so they can just go print what they need?

Or does it come from people that actually pay taxes?

Fill us all in on how this actually happens would you please?

Thanks So much!

Already did, post 159 second sentence.
 

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So Rod...

When the state has to pay back the interest on a loan, could you please tell the class exactly where that money comes from?

Does the state have a money tree?

Does the state have a printing press, so they can just go print what they need?

Or does it come from people that actually pay taxes?

Fill us all in on how this actually happens would you please?

Thanks So much!

See post #159. You may find the answer you are asking about. ;)
 

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See post #159. You may find the answer you are asking about. ;)

Well, you said that the developer fees paid would be reduced by 20%, so that 20%, as well the extra money required would come from taxing individual property owners.
 

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Well, you said that the developer fees paid would be reduced by 20%, so that 20%, as well the extra money required would come from taxing individual property owners.
I think you quoted the wrong person. :rolleyes:
 

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Already did, post 159 second sentence.

I know what the answer is Rod. It Always comes back to the taxpayers. No matter how you slice it.

So when you say no to @DrunkenSailor to the question he asked, the answer is actually YES.

Maybe not in the exact portions he mentioned, but the taxpayers always pay the bill for these bonds and loans or whatever.

It's legalized extortion Rodney...

But you're gonna say....

Well, people DO get to vote on it, right?

Sure thing. This is true. Too bad all the wrong people are voting, with no real clue what they Are voting for.

The sheeple. Being led around by hook in their noses. The non property owners. The ones Not paying taxes.

It's a sad state of affairs.
 

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So glad to be out of Calif. They are claiming additional funds will go directly to the schools, etc. I believe this is another supplant scheme. They can say the $$ will go directly to schools. But, an exact like amount will be taken out of the schools existing budget and then be spent on some dumb ass liberal cause. Total school expenditures will not increase. Some slick marketing by the Sac Dems.
 

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Mobster these bonds always get the budgets blown too...

our city jut got a bond for 25 million which was 10 million short and ended up costing 35 million to cover costs... whats 10 million among friends... mm i mean taxpayers...
(which by the way was a back door deal with certain donor deal)

its sad but dont want to come off like a chauvinist , but women voters are also destroying this state by voting with their hearts without understanding whats going on ...

these scum bag politicians know how to get the pillow covers over their eyes...


its in the name of the kids or safety or rainbows and butterflies...

and they bite at the bait every time
 

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Mobster these bonds always get the budgets blown too...

our city jut got a bond for 25 million which was 10 million short and ended up costing 35 million to cover costs... whats 10 million among friends... mm i mean taxpayers...
(which by the way was a back door deal with certain donor deal)

its sad but dont want to come off like a chauvinist , but women voters are also destroying this state by voting with their hearts without understanding whats going on ...

these scum bag politicians know how to get the pillow covers over their eyes...


its in the name of the kids or safety or rainbows and butterflies...

and they bite at the bait every time

In My town, we have a crappy undersupported news deal called LBReport.com. There are a group of guys that pick apart the current local gov and I think they do a fairly good job of hanging out all the dirty laundry.

I’m a supporter.

Do they have their own agenda?...sure...but it aligns with mine.

More folks like these guys need more support to expose crooked politics.
 

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I saw the Prop 13 commercial again this morning and one thing that was so blatantly obvious and over looked is the idiot Newsom informing viewers how much this is needed. Him informing viewers of anything should be a dead give away to vote no on this.
 

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Just for fun let’s look at this another way. If someone offered you 30 year money at 2.4% or even less, would you take it?
 

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Just for fun let’s look at this another way. If someone offered you 30 year money at 2.4% or even less, would you take it?

Sure, if someone else was going to make the payments
 

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This is how it will pass:
They’ll word it like:

“Do you think old rich people who pay $1000/year in property taxes should receive the same benefits as a recent college graduate who pays $5000/year? Are you tired of freeloading boomers not paying their fair share?

A “yes” vote will ensure that wealthy people pay their fair share. Vote yes to repeal Prop 13”.


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Its unfortunate because this is really miss leading
This is how it will pass:
They’ll word it like:

“Do you think old rich people who pay $1000/year in property taxes should receive the same benefits as a recent college graduate who pays $5000/year? Are you tired of freeloading boomers not paying their fair share?

A “yes” vote will ensure that wealthy people pay their fair share. Vote yes to repeal Prop 13”.


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Agree, to many red flags with this one in particular....
 

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Just for fun let’s look at this another way. If someone offered you 30 year money at 2.4% or even less, would you take it?

NOPE. Not for the purpose. And to a government that has an extremely well documented history of lying, stealing, and diverting when it comes to virtually all financial related matters.... They are all a bunch of crack whores

Nice try through
 

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This is how it will pass:
They’ll word it like:

“Do you think old rich people who pay $1000/year in property taxes should receive the same benefits as a recent college graduate who pays $5000/year? Are you tired of freeloading boomers not paying their fair share?

A “yes” vote will ensure that wealthy people pay their fair share. Vote yes to repeal Prop 13”.


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I think you are confusing this GO bond issue with the split roll initiative on the November 2020 ballot.
 

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He did it! AG Becerra got the major property tax on the ballot. Your property tax increases are on the launch pad. California politicians are trying to repeal prop 13 by slipping it under the radar. California's Attorney General, Xavier Becerra is putting together plans to raise property tax revenue by eliminating the only thing keeping some people's property tax from sky rocketing, Prop 13.
Because they know it will be unpopular if presented as "Repeal Prop 13," Xavier Becerra has strategically relabeled it "Education and Local Government Funding." It's already on the 2020 ballot and like the gasoline tax, it will be worded in a way that misleads California voters. People renting may see it as a way to get something for nothing, but the long term result will be higher rents to pay due to the increase in property taxes.
People are leaving the state in record numbers, and many here are barely hanging on, this could be something that changes the face of California forever.
When the tax revenue falls just start increasing the taxes on what people already own.
Socialist playbook page one.
 

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Just for fun let’s look at this another way. If someone offered you 30 year money at 2.4% or even less, would you take it?
No dog in this fight, just my opinion on this question.
If I'm a business borrowing from a bank? All day long.
As a business borrowing from its customers. No way. It shows insolvency.
 

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No dog in this fight, just my opinion on this question.
If I'm a business borrowing from a bank? All day long.
As a business borrowing from its customers. No way. It shows insolvency.

Exactly. We all have a termination date, we don’t know when that is. The best way to manage ourselves is to live within our means and leverage when we need to for major purchases or long term improvements to our homes. I usually pay cash for capital improvement, but that’s my preference.

These schools are going to be in existence long after we are gone. From time to time it makes sense to borrow for those improvements, particularly when we are at historically low rates. It is, and will always be, tax payer funded. There are just certain times when it makes sense to borrow and invest for long term benefits.
 

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Not to beat a dead horse, but what happened to all of the lottery funding that was supposed to go to schools? I thought that was the point of the lottery when it was created years ago? I couldnt imagine the the clowns running this state would take funding away from our children?
 

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Exactly. We all have a termination date, we don’t know when that is. The best way to manage ourselves is to live within our means and leverage when we need to for major purchases or long term improvements to our homes. I usually pay cash for capital improvement, but that’s my preference.

These schools are going to be in existence long after we are gone. From time to time it makes sense to borrow for those improvements, particularly when we are at historically low rates. It is, and will always be, tax payer funded. There are just certain times when it makes sense to borrow and invest for long term benefits.
You keep assuming they will not redirect the money somewhere else. You should lay of the Payote!

The government ALWAYS finds a way to steal the money. Examples, recent gas tax, lottery, social security, welfare, etc, etc, etc.....
 

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Government is far and above the worst example at managing ANYTHING. Why would you vote or approve of them managing any more of YOUR life or YOUR money than you currently have to?
 
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