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  1. Riley1

    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    As some of you know. My family recently relocated from Chino to Boulder City. One of our requirements was a pool. When we didn’t find the perfect home with a pool we decided we were better off building a pool to suit our needs. We met with 5 different pool builders, 2 of which were references from members here, and ultimately signed a contract with Lifeguard pools.
    Some of the builders we met with didn’t seem to want the work as the walked in and said a hole would start at 75k.
    Lifeguard was right on the budget and able to take our vision and improve on it. Below is the rendering of the backyard 37E1ABE7-6D5C-4464-8BC9-F4BEF974C501.jpeg A495C90C-3823-45FB-9470-87695D119334.jpeg 37362FDF-C8C5-48F0-B303-16761714D092.jpeg 07F3FDCE-BB3F-4AE1-A8A0-FDD6E1162C2A.jpeg
     
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    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    We had a tree in the middle of the yard so that had to go first. 95A67C2D-B861-4B30-9008-C98F6DA27669.jpeg 6BF24787-E24A-487A-9A5F-8A2DCA534450.jpeg Fallowed by removing a few random fences and junk from the previous owners C680A1F9-10A9-447D-85CD-56A5130F82E9.jpeg 1BC220E6-E66C-45BE-9180-7524757533AE.jpeg A8661FBE-AB8A-45E1-85E9-FA137B2980BE.jpeg B8B335D6-031A-4A94-8160-60F9230E666E.jpeg
     
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    I like the design. Are the chairs built in or removable?
     
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  4. Riley1

    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    Dig started today. No turning back now! E8A71B3B-E06B-43B4-95CB-C862571DF74A.jpeg 6C8E1657-1CF6-4713-9644-ED6B9744F8D4.jpeg B270035F-F092-439A-ABA8-5A8EE476356F.jpeg
     
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    Those would be more or less permanent. We are not putting those chairs in. Will most likely be using plastic lounging chairs.
     
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    Howardflat Bad MFer

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    looking good. might have to walk over soon and drink a cocktail and talk about it.
     
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    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    Just don’t fall into the hole. lol
     
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    Nice
     
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    looks really good... no pre pool partys?
     
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    riverbrian Chloe's Dad

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    Ledge Loungers! Very pricey, but quality.
     
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    I am meeting with them on Thursday . Yours looks really good !
     
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  12. Go-Fly

    Go-Fly Where Are My Shoes?

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    I love pool builds.
     
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    Ron is a great guy and a honest builder, love his pool designs. He will be doing ours if and when we decide to do one.
     
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    Time to make a new friend in the neighborhood @Howardflat.
     
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    I'm going to need a key to the side gate and can you please keep the garage fridge stocked !
     
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    Did they run into any caliche during the dig?
     
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    Not yet. They’ve dugout about half the pool so far. My back wall is a retaining wall, and the lot was built up, so I don’t expect them to hit any.
    we did however find this huge piece of concrete about 2 feet down. F021A594-D39B-4145-B430-879F590DC89B.jpeg
     
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    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    the dig is complete. Didn’t hit any caliche. 5776EA4D-CB9B-4320-B4E0-1C8782A14617.jpeg 18CCD909-0177-4241-A504-67F4FA1B3B3B.jpeg
     
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  19. BUDMAN

    BUDMAN HAVASU BOUND

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    Congrats Steve on the new build. Love having a pool in our back yard.
     
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    You will need to put up some privacy fencing so the neighbors don't see you in your Speedo !
     
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    Speedo will be the least of their worries.:eek:
     
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    Riley
    Dont know if you have school age kids. I have 2 good friends that are teachers and coaches at BC high school
     
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    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    I have one 8 year old. He is in 3rd grade at King.
     
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    Endora and Del Prado?
     
  25. beaverretriever

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    Looks like you guys are on Adams St?

    Was in BC this weekend looking at homes. Found a bitchen little place built in 52, but needed too much work and would need asbestos removal which would cost probably 20k or more.

    Keep us posted on the pool build as we may need the name of your guys if they do a great job!
     
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    I really like that design
     
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    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    That’s the one.
     
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    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    Us too. We met with quite a few designers. Some drew exactly what we said, and they weren’t bad. But this design build on what we had imagined and once we saw it there was no good back.
     
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    That's funny. Small world. The previous owner is my brother in-law.
     
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    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    A small world indeed.

    He’s going to want to buy it back when he sees it with the pool in. lol
     
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    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    B7C94A9E-8429-472C-BF8B-1D4323EC350F.jpeg 0830974A-9253-4CCF-A9C0-171C3CD190C2.jpeg 25965336-D868-4479-9B66-680625DA9FF0.jpeg 70FA7B13-CF28-43C5-998F-129065210BB0.jpeg 8CC34633-AB1F-41BB-889C-CE1B2A10AC80.jpeg So not as much has been done as I’d wish. Rough plumbing happened on Sunday (like 1-1/2 weeks after the dig). Rebar on Tuesday. Neither of them spoke English! So when I see what the’ve done, and have concerns that it doesn’t match the plans, I get a blank stare and off to work again he goes. Long story short, I’m setting up a meeting with sales and the manager. Nobody has been out to see if the work was done right by the Digging Crew, Plumber’s, or the Rebar guys. The “Baja shelf/Sun Deck” is supposed to be 10” deep. But the rebar is set 8” below the beam rebar. We’ll see if I’m just watching to closely or if their Mexicans messed up.
     
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    fuck buddy I was gonna say it looks great but numbers don't lie
     
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    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    I have no doubt that it’ll all work out. And maybe I’m wrong (this isn’t my trade), but if I’m right, I feel bad for the people who asked/signed for 1 thing and got another. We’ll know soon.
     
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    I hope it all goes well . I need a place to go soak !
     
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    Funny you have this

    My house in Henderson has the same thing
     
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    We think it was probably the concrete washout from building the wall.
     
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    Well. My concerns were addressed, Mistakes were corrected and we now have a pool shell. 748C0D33-3886-478B-9188-6741300EA990.jpeg C0D49093-AA4C-4886-B38F-DADB0591E33E.jpeg C6344919-5D41-4A1C-ACAA-B0882F7CCE85.jpeg 3AAAC556-9E08-4D09-BF88-69F8793D4FF0.jpeg 9E17CF62-37B6-43B9-829F-08A8239193D3.jpeg 78220704-E016-4D24-ADDA-C1DE689DA7CE.jpeg
     
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    Racey Maxwell Smart-Ass

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    Looking good Steve! :cool:
     
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    It’s been a little while since I’ve updated this thread. Reason being, I was hoping to have some better news and more progress done. Part of the delay is our fault, we were gone for the week of thanksgiving and I didn’t want anyone here while we weren’t (so that’s 3 weekdays of work that are on me).
    Anyhow,
    Tile was done the Saturday before thanksgiving. 927011BF-F46C-40D2-A6C5-8567380B7838.jpeg 587AB25A-7D58-4E22-951E-DF15AD7C9375.jpeg F7015EF4-A18D-40A5-BF96-D4DE8F4E0B59.jpeg 41EC8987-A5DB-4596-B6B5-5135C0A5A1ED.jpeg 638801E5-11EE-47E6-AC17-D484E1F8038D.jpeg

    and then today they poured the deck. It was only 5 yards. But when I got home I immediately noticed a pretty big mistake. Spillways are supposed to be covered to keep birds out. 41E26CF5-74A5-47CA-AF27-F9F24BC5ED68.jpeg BECCEA7E-ACF3-4CC4-8233-D5AFA3C8DD9F.jpeg

    And then this bend in the coping.

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    The subs show up in their own without anyone from the pool company. So my question for the Pool Builders is; “Is this normal? Just expect Juan to do a great job with no oversight or fallow up? Only do as good as you think the homeowner won’t notice?”
    I’m starting to get pretty frustrated.

    on top of all this. They REFUSE to tell me when someone is coming to MY house to do work. And the workers try to jump the fence before knocking on the fucking door!
     

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  41. RiverDave

    RiverDave In it to win it

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    It seems like all these pool guys sub everything out..
     
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    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    Sure does.
    I’m failing to see any value in a pool contractor now. I feel that I can manage these subcontractors better than they do.
     
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    Just point out the mistakes as soon as possible and don't accept excuses. As soon as they realize you won't accept the poor work, they'll realize that it is much cheaper for them to do it right the first time. I understand yore pain.
     
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    most if not all pool company’s sub all their work out. They might have a Forman or 2 but that’s it.

    the issue these days that very few company’s have their own installation crew. It’s not easy to keep but it make for better finished product.
     
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    I like the Weber Smoky Mountain, and Grill...

    and the design of the pool..., if I where ever going to build a pool, thats pretty much what I would have done.
     
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    My friend has a pool company and 100 percent of it is in house . He is not cheap by any means though .
     
  47. Melloyellovector

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    Very few pool companies do 100% in house. It’s not cost effective so why bother
    But subbing 100% of work is not good, otherwise correct do as owner builder and save money
    Solution have them remove spa coping and re-pour. It’s done wrong over spillways anyway so the bump is irrelevant if it already needs to come out.

    This project has nothing to do with me to be clear.


    Pool contracting is not like other specialty licenses where you have 1 skill and connect and or set a product and done.
    Survey/elevations, Excavation/grading, plumbing ( water and gas ) electrical, Shotcrete/gunite, masonry ( coping, tile, stone, deck, walls, Bbq’s, fireplaces, and understanding the products and conditions they are going in, etc ) faux rockwork slides and waterfalls, water proofing, Plaster/pebble, and water chemistry, the list goes on.
    It’s about as close to a GC as you can get with the amount of trades you need to truly understand to do things right.

    Builders that say they are 100% in house are likely full of shit.
    To put that in perspective. For single crews based off of small projects - Excavation maybe a pool per day min 2 guys, rebar pool per day 2-3 guys, plumbing pool per day 4 plus guys, Shotcrete 2 Pools per day 8 guys, masonry 1 pool per week 4 guys, Plaster Pebble guys 2 per day 7 guys. Of any of these crews there is less then a handful that have the skill to do the other guys job. Thats roughly 28 guys plus supervisors. Basically with crews there is no way to justify the cost of guys Shotcrete and plaster specifically when they need min 2 jobs per day to make the same money they make anywhere else. Only way possible is if you own pool company, Shotcrete company, and plaster company. So you sub your other companies the work, and you have other builders to keep sch full daily for them.


    We sub out excavation, Shotcrete, faux rockwork, and plaster/pebble. Everything else is my guys. We strive to do things right the first time. :cool:
     
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    Riley1 Well-Known Member

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    Not going to lie, it’s been a little depressing to see 3 pools finished here on RDP since I started my build.
    That said, spray deck was done today. Shouldn’t be much more now. They need to grout where they replaced broken tiles from redoing my spa coping. And then plaster.
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    today they pulled up the tape that had been covering the deck drain, and we just noticed that it is brown not white. So that’s going to be another fight that I shouldn’t have to deal with. 2 steps forward, one step back.
     
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    Don’t get discouraged. Average pools builds take 8 weeks. Comparing your build to cookie cutter baby pools in Havasu being built by Brian in 4 weeks or so isn’t exactly fair. He’s hungry to build up his name and cut into the business of the builder he used to work for sooooo.

    As far as drains. If it was mine I’d leave the tan drains and swap out the skimmer and autofill lids to tan.
    White drains and lids will be dirty and a shade of tan within first year anyway. Just my 2 cents.

    Not defending your current builder, no idea who he is. But overall looks like it’s turning out good
     
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    He's right, BTW did you get your money?
     

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