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Xhoser thank you for the kind words. ;) Honestly I wouldn't say I have any mad skills. I'm just taking my time and doing things the way I feel they should be done. This type if work isn't that difficult if you take your time and don't mind the itch. (After awhile it doesn't even bother you anymore.)

As said before, I knew this was going to be a lengthy project because I don't have a lot of free time to dedicate to this. But I know if I do a little bit each chance I get, it will eventually get there. And when it's finished, it will be something I can be proud of because I did most of the work myself with help from my Dad and my younger son.

Thanks for following along! :)

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Awesome thread! I love watching this thread because it is something that I am absolutely horrible at....GLASS WORK!
 

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Thanks a lot I really appreciate the compliment Games! ;) It's honestly not that difficult and if you make a mistake, wait ten minutes then break out the grinder! :D

Hey how'd your boat run this weekend??
 

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Thanks a lot I really appreciate the compliment Games! ;) It's honestly not that difficult and if you make a mistake, wait ten minutes then break out the grinder! :D

Hey how'd your boat run this weekend??
Motor runs great. I need a different rudder though. The current rudder is a nice stainless deal, but it is providing too much transom lift. It would be better for a heavier boat. I'm going to Barber welding this week
 

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Bitchen! I was hoping it would run good and you wouldn't have any issues. ;)
 

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where are you buying your materials? resin, glass...
 

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Rev-Chem Composites. Stores in San Fernando and Costa Mesa and headquarters are in Bloomington. ;)
 

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Rev-Chem Composites. Stores in San Fernando and Costa Mesa and headquarters are in Bloomington. ;)
honeslty how much are you in for? i did a transom and a floor in west systems and it was a few hundred bucks in materials. you've got some serious yardage with everything you've covered. its all vinylester?
 

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Thank you for interest and the questions Ka0tyk. To be completely honest with you, I haven't calculated my expenses to date. A few pages back I did and I believe I had spent somewhere around $500. I haven't calculated things since then. ;)

Yes I have only used vinylester resin and won't be using anything else. It has worked really well and I have been happy with its performance.

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Copterzach,

Thank you for the interest and the bumpity bump. :D

No Sir I haven't made any progress on this project in far too long. I've been so busy with work, our house remodel, spending time with kids and family (Dont foget the dog!), and all the while trying to keep an amazing relationship moving forward. Time has been tight my friend!

I did manage to get her backed in underneath some protection so our work won't be damaged during the winter.

I have done some work with the old Ellis trailer that I picked up for this hull. Wheels are being cleaned up and once finished, new tires purchased. Check the thread in the trailer section.

I'll get back on this thing and start posting up some more pictures and long-winded posts too. ;)

Thanks again for the motivation!

Henry
 

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Good morning Guys/Gals! :D

Well I haven't made any forward progress on this hull but I am getting closer to getting back on this thing. Christmas is RIGHT around the corner!

So, in keeping with the theme of a limited budget along with some of the ideas that I have, I wound up buying myself an early Christmas gift. Or two.



I know this hull isn't officially a Schiada, but it's still going to wind up sitting on a nice trailer. That's just how it is.

So, with that being said, what are the odds of finding a matching pair of 40 year old wheels, with the same dimension, offset and bolt hole pattern??

And apparently manufactured by the same company???

I think I got lucky and found a set that will perfectly match what I already have.

BOOM! :D

Pretty stoked about this little addition!

Patience Gwasshoppas, I'll add pictures in a week or so.....



Henry
 

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Good afternoon!

Well its been awhile since I've posted up in this thread! I still have a TON of work to do on this and it seems like forever since I've had the time to work on it. With that being said, I did manage to pick up some material today.


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Hopefully I can find some time this weekend to start messing around with it again. :D

Have a great day and thank you for checking in!

Henry
 

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Happy 4th of July!

Not much of an update but I have picked up a few parts here and there that will later find their way into this boat.

As this will be performing duties as a family play boat, it will need a ski pylon. Instead of duplicating the installation that this boat was originally equipped with, I've decided to upgrade these components. The previous install was a thick walled aluminum tube with a threaded insert on the top. A standard hitch ball was threaded into the top and the bottom simply bolted to the transom at the base. It worked but wasn't what I wanted to replicate.

So I have been scouring the CL and Ebay ads looking for a new used replacement. As luck would have it, I stumbled into a local CL ad for a used pylon. So I made arrangements to pick it up ASAP.

In the process, I met another person who was familiar with RDP. Chris was super-cool and gave me a great deal on the pylon and a switch panel. Thank you Sir!

Unfortunately, this pylon was bent towards the bottom. I knew this when I purchased it, and already had a solution.


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The current pole is also hollow and had bent under load. So instead of trying to heat and straighten this one, I replaced the entire lower section with a new solid piece of bar stock. No more bending. :D

The installation of the pylon in the boat will include a permanently mounted "Sleeve" that is slightly larger than the solid bar stock ski pylon. This sleeve will be installed further forward in the hull in front of the fuel tank and behind the batteries. While this sleeve portion will be locked in place, the pylon itself will be removable from the sleeve when necessary. The sleeve will be mounted with heim joints on the sleeve and on the transom. The heims will be connected to the sleeve with a collar that will also be tied in to the gunnels of the boat. This pylon and installation bracketry should be overkill for our intended use and that's perfectly fine. ;)


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The switch panel I picked up from Chris will work too as it's close to what I was looking for. I'll trim the bottom and have it polished up prior to assembly.


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In the next few weeks, I'll try and set aside some time to get more work accomplished on this project. I've just been too busy with other projects and commitments.

As always, thank you for checking in and for following along.

Stay safe!

Henry
 

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Let me know if you need machining or welding . I'm still working on a Hondo and my 12' deal, so I'll always be around the house .
 

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Thank you George I really appreciate it! It means a lot coming from you! ;) You're just trying to butter me up so I'll come over and clean up the shop! :D

Looking forward to updates on the Hondo! ;)
 

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Happy Labor Day Weekend!

I finally managed to find some time to tinker around with this thing! :D

I started off cutting out one of the main stringers from the bottom of the hull. It's not a hard job at all but it just sux crawling up underneath the deck with a grinder and a cutoff wheel only to find yourself quickly covered in fiberglass dust. Good times for sure!


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The picture below is looking down towards the bottom of the hull below the deck. You can see where the glass has been worn thin along the keel. This is something that we will address once this hull gets flipped. ;)


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Once I cut the fiberglass "Cap" from the stringer, it pretty much peeled right off. Here you can see what condition the stringer was truly in. The fiberglass skin hid a lot of the moisture stains and made it almost impossible to tell what condition the stringers were in. This one was rotted along the bottom and came out in four pieces. The opposing main stringer is cracked in the bow area and I imagine that one is in the same shape.


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Here we are using the old stringer to recreate the shape and angles where the new stringer will sit on the hull bottom. The angles varied from 15? near the bow to 10? near the transom. I left the new stringers slightly taller and a little longer just to have some wiggle room.


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You can see in this next picture that some areas along the bottom of the stringers aren't quite finished. I need to smooth some of the transitions from front to rear but I will wait and do this once we see how the stringers sit in the hull.



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The last picture shows the grain alignment on the stringers in relation to the angles on the hull bottom and the 10? angles we cut. When I sourced these boards, I looked through the entire inventory to find pieces where the grain alignment would coincide with the angle of the hull bottom. I'm ecstatic with how these turned out! :D


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The next step will be getting the hull bottom prepped and these dry fit before glassing them in. Thank you Dad for all the help today!! Having the extra hands not only made this part of the process easier, it was a lot of fun too! (No bloodshed this go around!)

Have a great evening and as always, thank you for following along!

Henry
 

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Hahahaa! Amen to that! Considering each of these pieces of lumber was over $100, we took our time! :D

Just change the angle of the blade on the saw as you make the cuts. We did this making several cuts in each at varying angles. The places where we changed the angles are the areas that I'll "Blend" with a grinder once I dry fit the stringers in the hull. ;)
 

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78DiMarco,

Thank you for the kind words! This has been a much longer process than I had originally thought but that's fine. No deadlines whatsoever. ;) Im just taking my time and working on it whenever I have the time. I'll do my best to keep this thing moving forward! Thank you guys!!

Henry
 

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Damn it's been WAY too long since I did anything to this hull!

:grumble:

I went out today and tinkered on her for a few minutes. I started off sanding down some of the repairs on the transom just to rough up the surface. When I did these repairs, I brought the repair almost to the surface. Meaning, there are several layers of glass that have been added. Just to give you an idea, I ran a sanding block across this repair and you can see there isn't a lot of space left for any type of filler.


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So I sanded some of the surfaces and then mixed up a batch of 3M filler that has short strands of fiberglass mixed in. No pictures of the mix because you only have a few minutes til it kicks off.


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I gave these areas some time to cure and once they did, it was ready to sand. Using a block with 80 grit knocks it down fairly quickly.


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Here is a close-up of one of the areas I worked on today. You can see it needs another skim coat but there aren't a lot of pin holes which is nice. It filled in pretty well.


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Now I get to do this process about 50 more times. :D

Anyways, thank you for checking in and for following along. Stay safe and have a great evening!

Henry
 

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Nice to see the thread back on top where it should be. I really appreciate your patience and skills. Keep the the project working along step by step. Looking forward to seeing the boat done. I did a restoration too but not to the detail you are and I love it. I think it took me a few years and then it never ends.....

Happy Holidays!
Bert
 

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Bert,

Thank you for the kind motivating words of encouragement. I really appreciate it! I'm juggling a full-time career along with a whole house renovation, so spare time and play money is hard to come by. This boat restoration is a labor of love and this type of work is something I absolutely love doing. If I could do this full time and make enough money to pay the bills, I'd happily do it full-time.

When I do have time to work on this project, I try and do things to the best of my ability. There are numerous larger shops and many more talented people in this industry who's knowledge and abilities far exceed mine. I only hope to learn from them during this project and hope the end result will be something unique that our family will be able to enjoy for a long period of time. As always, thank you for following along and thank you for the motivation! ;)

Henry
 

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Good morning!

Time flies when you're having fun! :D

Not much of an update but maybe this will motivate me to get back on this thing now that it's warming up. I cut the remaining steps off the trailer and ground the remnants off the main frame rails. I cut out the prop and rudder cradle from the trailer too leaving only one "Old" cross member in to hold things in place. I should be getting close to actually adding material instead of always cutting things off! :D

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The steel doesn't look too bad considering it's about 40 years old! :D

I put down a quick layer of primer over all these areas just to prevent surface rust. Soon I'll get the frame rail extensions fit and work on getting those sorted out. Then some new crossmembers will go in and we'll be closer to setting the spring sliders in place.

As always, thank you for following along. Stay safe and keep smiling! :D

Henry
 

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Good morning Folks!

I made a little progress on the trailer over the weekend. Yes I know these updates may be more suited to the trailer section but I'll update that thread later on.

I cut out the template I made and used that to get the angles for the crossmembers. Using some scrap lumber, I was able to get things started.

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Once the angles were sorted out, I simply needed to adjust the center of the crossmember so that it was centered within the trailer frame rails.

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Once the center of the crossmember was located, I cut out some more scrap 2x4 lumber and test fit those pieces.

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You can seen in the above photo how much more ground clearance we'll have with the new crossmembers versus the old. If this trailer sits as low as I imagine, that will be a good thing. :D

The next step is to transfer these dimensions to steel and get things ready to weld into place.

During this part of the process, I learned the end of the trailer frames aren't level when compared left to right. Since there is less than a 1/4" difference, I should be able to even this out with the trailer frame extensions.

As always, thank you for checking in and following along.

Have a safe Spring Break party animals! :D

Henry
 

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So....that house remodel done yet?

Back on the boat?

No pressure, I've learned a ton about how boats decay, how they are built and how to reclaim them from this thread. Even though the updates have slowed its still my "go to" resource for how to do it right.
 

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Good morning Lenmann!

Holy smokes imagine this thread being on the front page! Even I was shocked to see that! Just trying to win the "Lengthiest Project Award!" :D

Thank you so much for the kind words and the much needed motivation though! This project hasn't moved an inch in the longest time and I hate it! :grumble:

The house remodel is getting close to being wrapped up. I've rewired, reframed, reroofed and repiped the entire thing with only a few loose ends to tie up. I insulated everything I could access and recently started hanging some drywall. It would have been easier to build a new house. So please be patient with me as I try and finish things up there. Like the little lady says, "You can't live in a 19' boat!" :D

Next on the list for the boat is grinding out the last of the old glass underneath the bow and replacing the toeboard and a few small bulkheads. The trailer still needs some metal work too but I've had to wait on doing any welding as I didnt have any power out to the garage. Fixed that issue with a new subpanel. :D

Hopefully I'll be posting some more updates soon. Thanks again for the motivation I really appreciate it!! Stay safe guys!

Henry
 

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Welcome back! LMAO!

I haven't touched this thing in forever! I was pulling some information from a USB flash drive and stumbled into this interior shot. I figured I'd share it again and somehow motivate myself to get back on this thing. Life has gotten in the way and this project has been pushed to the back burner for some time. Getting closer to dragging it back out and getting back to work. :confused:

You gotta love that badass single-axle trailer though! :D That sucker is long gone along with everything else you see in this picture! LMAO!

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Good evening folks and Happy Father's Day to you Dads! Since it was Father's Day, I swindled my wife to let me have some free time to work on this boat. So I managed to get a few little things done on it which felt GREAT!

Some time ago, I made some fiberglass sleeves to insert into the new transom where the jackplate will be mounted. I had also previously glassed over some of the original holes, so new holes needed to be drilled. I put a new aluminum plate on the transom that has the same bolt holes as the jackplate. I marked the center of each of the holes and drilled them out. As the bolts are 1/2", I needed to overbore the holes to fit the sleeves in. Some of the sleeves were thicker than others, so I simple put them on a bolt, held the bolt with a set of pliers and hit each sleeve with a grinder. This rounded the sleeves nicely and made them all fairly similar in size and also roughed up the surfaces for a better adhesion.

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This image above was taken before I put them under the grinder.

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Here is what these will look like just to give you an idea of what I'm doing.

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I wanted to seal these holes up as best I could so I grabbed a few tubes of epoxy at Home Depot. I like this particular one because it allows you to inject the inside of each hole using the nozzle provided. It's a lot easier than trying to mix the epoxy in a tray then trying to paint it on inside the 3/4" holes.

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After I coated the insides of each hole and the outside of each sleeve, I shoved the sleeves in.

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After the epoxy oozed out and cured, I went back over the inside and outside of the transom and ground these sleeves flush.
 
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Here are some pictures of the transom when I finished up with these steps. This is not complete yet as I still need to glass over these sleeves and make sure everything is essentially watertight.

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When I finish the glass work on the sleeves, each sleeve will look like the area around the drain plug opening. I hope that makes sense.

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I took the above picture before I pushed the last two sleeves through and ground those flush. But you get the idea.

Now on to the ghetto metal shop. :D

I knew I had a few pieces of aluminum to cut, so I bit the bullet and bought the metal cutting blade for my worm drive saw. It worked like a champ!

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These will be the aluminum plates that mimic the shape of the stringer knees. These knees will tie the transom into the two main stringers. They will be bolted to the stringers, then to the plate on the inside of the transom and to the plate on the outside of the transom and finally the jackplate. The engine shouldn't go anywhere once this is all installed.

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I will clean up all of these aluminum pieces then have them polished and set aside for the time being. There is still a lot of glass work left to do. Now that its warming up and things have progressed with our house remodel project, hopefully the Mrs. will let me sneak out into the backyard more frequently. Hopefully! :D

As always, thank you for checking in!! Stay safe and have a nice night!

Henry
 

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Just finished reading all of ur posts and loved every one of them . What ur doing is what I want to do to my 19’ . She’s old and a little tired . And I now know what to kinda expect when I come to do this lol thank BC and keep up the good work . Gona start ordering al the material soon and maybe get started after this season is done . I got all the mechanical stuff done and electrical it’s now just time to do al the wood an glass lol .
 

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Just finished reading all of ur posts and loved every one of them . What ur doing is what I want to do to my 19’ . She’s old and a little tired . And I now know what to kinda expect when I come to do this lol thank BC and keep up the good work . Gona start ordering al the material soon and maybe get started after this season is done . I got all the mechanical stuff done and electrical it’s now just time to do al the wood an glass lol .
Time to get itchy! :D

I've thoroughly enjoyed working on mine and need to get the ball rolling again. Life has just been super busy for us and this boat has had to sit for far too long. I'm going to try and finish all the glasswork up this summer and try to get her ready for new gel coat. That's the goal so we'll see how it goes. Hahahaa!

:D

Start a thread with yours and let us all enjoy watching the progress and you spending your money.

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Hi folks just a small update. Here are some pictures of the transom and the outboard bracket sleeves I installed. I drilled these out because some epoxy had run inside some of the sleeves and hardened.

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Here is a close up picture of one of the sleeves. You can see the solid glass sleeve with the layer of epoxy around the outside of the sleeve. I will add another layer or two of glass on these exterior surfaces to smooth things out.

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Overall I am really happy with the way this is coming along. There shouldn't be any water finding it's way into the core of this transom.

As always thank you for following along!

Henry
 

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Does any one rember chuck schiadas 20 foot outboard center steer race bost? It had what looked like a 2x6 fitted to the bottom that was at least as long as the running surface. It had a evinrude 235 on it when we raced with him.
A little late, but this is the boat you ask about. Chuck had another 20 footer, but this one was racing only
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Mike,

Thank you for sharing that photo! Colors of the two boats are similar too. It looks like that hull has a pad on it, but it's hard to see in the pic. Great photo though! Thank you!!!
 

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Good afternoon!

I had a little bit of free time this afternoon to play around with this project. I got two more layers of glass on the exterior and interior of the transom. This should be enough glass to fill in the low spots around the holes and help seal things up for good. I will let this cure overnight and drill the holes again and bring this glass flush with the surface.

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I got started on installing the first of many bulkheads too. This is the bulkhead closest to the transom on the starboard side. This first layer is resin thickened with cabosil. Once this cures, I'll sand the radius and clean up the surfaces around it. Then it will be ready to be glassed into the hull and deck.

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As always, thank you for checking in! Hopefully I can add a few more updates in the next few days. Stay safe everyone!

Henry
 

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Good evening folks! I made a little more progress today but it's nothing special. Just a bunch of time spent with the grinder. :D There were two small lips of glass sticking up that were leftover from where the original stringer was glassed in. When I cut the stringer out, I was lazy and left those fiberglass pieces sticking up. Not any more! Now the bottom is all smooth and ready for me to glass the new stringer in.

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And here is a picture of the first bulkhead with the fillet ground smooth. I need to touch up a few areas in the corners, but it's almost ready for some glass too.

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Once I get the next bulkhead installed in the same manner as this one, I will glass them both in. Just plugging away on the little stuff for now. Baby steps! :D

Have a great night and stay safe!

Henry
 

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Good evening Folks!

I got the rest of the right main stringer bed ground out and that mess cleaned up. Then I sanded down a few high spots on the right rear bulkhead that I had put a fillet on. I created a nice smooth radius and got that bulkhead glassed in too. I put a layer of 1708 on the front and back side of this bulkhead. It shouldn't go anywhere. Here are a few pics from this evening's work.

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As always, thank you for following along! Have a nice night and stay safe!

Henry
 

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Good afternoon Folks!

I was able to get another bulkhead installed on the starboard side of the boat this afternoon. This will be the foremost bulkhead close to where the back of the driver's seat will be. Just like on the previous bulkhead, I ran a thick mixture of resin, cabosil and fiberglass strands to create a fillet. Since I had already cut out the 1708 cloth to tab this bulkhead in, I went ahead and laid those up wet on wet. It worked out well and I am stoked with the way it turned out. Here is the view looking from the transom.

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Here is the same bulkhead as viewed from the front.

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Once this all cures, I'll hit the edges with a grinder and smooth things out. Baby steps! :D

As always, thank you for following along! Stay safe!

Henry
 

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Good afternoon Folks! I hate to say this, but I haven't spent any time working on this hull. I've been so busy with work and other projects that this one has been sitting idle. I picked up Community's little 19' Daytona earlier this summer, so a bunch of time and some money was thrown at that boat instead. This one isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so dont worry. 😉

Thanks for bumping the thread back up. I'll try and load some updated pics in the next week or two. Thanks again, and stay safe everybody! 👍
 
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