Shoot Out in Parker

[Wheeler]

 

[4Waters]

What was that about OB's

 

[bagged97taco]

The ob had no chance on the straights. But damn that thing moves in the turns

 

[monkeyswrench]

Damn...just DAMN!
OB, IO...two badass pilots at the helms

 

[Ziggy]

Apples
Orangez

 

[guest hs]

Outboards suck!

 

[checkrd past]

freakin awesome , thanks

 

[brgrcru]

bad ass

 

[78Southwind]

If you like to turn around in circles OB's are awesome.

 

[2Driver]

Nice!

 

[W.O.T]

Very cool thanks for posting

 

[wzuber]

I thought that was supposed to happen between the O.B. and Paul Fitzgerald? Isn't that what ross anounced mid-day today? Did Pauls boat break or have an issue? He was haulin ass today. I bet he regrets letting the 80 boat catch up...he gave them that race.

 

[HST4ME]

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The ob had no chance on the straights. But damn that thing moves in the turns

I shure would hope 2000 hp could out run 375. Let that race continue for 50 laps though.

 

[ElAzul]

Am I the only one who thinks capsules on K boats look gayer than AIDS? Yes they are a great safety measure but kills the whole K boat look and vibe

 

[Mototrig]

This is the stuff that keeps us interested in boating!! Comparing apples to oranges is unorthodox but it's a shit load of fun!!!
Thanks for sharing

 

[guest hs]

I thought that was supposed to happen between the O.B. and Paul Fitzgerald? Isn't that what ross anounced mid-day today? Did Pauls boat break or have an issue? He was haulin ass today. I bet he regrets letting the 80 boat catch up...he gave them that race.

Fitzgerald’s boat lost a motor in the final

 

[wzuber]

bummer...it wass haulinazz. what happened to the motor?

 

[Racey]

Those K-Boats are just flat out badass. 100% high-testosterone machines

 

[HST4ME]

Should have put an uncorked ecu and some more blade on the champ boat and took the outside lane away.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Should have put an uncorked ecu and some more blade on the champ boat and took the outside lane away.

I was thinking the same thing but I'm not even close to an expert.

 

[brownsuger]

Well, living near St. Louis (shootout/murder capital of the US) I totally misread this.... With "Shootout" in the title, I opened it expecting carnage of some kind...

I was pleasantly surprised.... Carry on

 

[Riverbottom]

I liked it when Bob Goettel in Epidemic K-28 would do shoot outs with unlimited hydros at Firebird Lake around the island. Parked the Atlas Van Lines on the beach in turn 3 and 4 one time.

 

[wzuber]

Those K-Boats are just flat out badass. 100% high-testosterone machines

yep...and the owner is prepairing to campaign BOTH his k777 & k999 down under this year against their bad boats. That takes huge balls-o-steel along with that testosterone to mix it up with those big boats. To me, running our style hard chine flats against their big V displacement boats is a risk well beyond good reason but that decision rests soley on the race team. I'll chear them on and hope they can perform successfully and superiorly to their boats and all come home safe and happy with their efforts.

 

[BlowMe]

Well, living near St. Louis (shootout/murder capital of the US) I totally misread this.... With "Shootout" in the title, I opened it expecting carnage of some kind...

I was pleasantly surprised.... Carry on

I live in st.charles Missouri. ( about 25 minutes outside st.louis ) and work there sometimes. Earlier this year I almost got taken out by 2 shooters doing a drive by in south city....its such a lovely city....

 

[brownsuger]

I live in st.charles Missouri. ( about 25 minutes outside st.louis ) and work there sometimes. Earlier this year I almost got taken out by 2 shooters doing a drive by in south city....its such a lovely city....

I know right.... Earlier this year, one of the guys that works for me was sitting at a stoplight in north city heading to a supplier when a car pulled up next to the car in front of him. He saw their windows come down and guns come out and they started shooting into the car in front of him.... F'ing crazy.... and they want to build the new soccer stadium right in the middle of all that crap...

 

[wzuber]

that will b perfect. a modern day roman coloseum for the gangs to meet up and settle their scores.

 

[Wheeler]

The Monkeys

 

[stoker2001]

If you like to turn around in circles OB's are awesome.

or if you hate working on cast-iron-skillet motors and like warrantees and longevity/reliability

 

[Sharp Shooter]

These shoot outs have always been fun to watch. It didn't look like Duff was pushing the corners as hard as he could (why would he?) given his abundance of straightaway speed at his disposal. It's amazing that the much heavier, obsolete, non "air entrapment" flat bottom hull design spanks the modern state of the art wacker from the outside and starting from a 20 boat deficit.

It's hard to believe that you can power an upside down kitchen table with an iron skillet non warranteed, motor home engine and still spank a Formula 1 boat.

Thanks for the video Wheeler!

 

[coolchange]

Kitchen table, bwhahaha!

 

[outboardrick]

I certainly don't know for sure, but I seriously don't think that was a Formula 1 outboard.....More like a SST 120 boat. Huge difference, and if that race had been run with a true F1 boat the outcome would most likely be different. Not taking anything away from the K boat, it would probably still have more straightaway speed, but not much more, and the F1 would kill it in the turns.

 

[Sharp Shooter]

I was going by what Jeff Conant posted and he is definitely someone who would know.

 

[RiverDave]

These shoot outs have always been fun to watch. It didn't look like Duff was pushing the corners as hard as he could (why would he?) given his abundance of straightaway speed at his disposal. It's amazing that the much heavier, obsolete, non "air entrapment" flat bottom hull design spanks the modern state of the art wacker from the outside and starting from a 20 boat deficit.

It's hard to believe that you can power an upside down kitchen table with an iron skillet non warranteed, motor home engine and still spank a Formula 1 boat.

Thanks for the video Wheeler!

lmao...

That all said in “reality” I don’t think a k boat is going to compete with a Champ Boat.. If I’m not mistaking didn’t this guy just get that boat? Only driven it once or twice? Is that a class legal champ boat / motor etc?

 

[STV_Keith]

MAYBE 153 cubes naturally aspirated vs 500+ cubes, blown, injected on alcohol. Sounds more like grapes and watermelons to me. As someone mentioned, the tunnel looked more like a SST120 (120 cubes, carbureted). Find a real F1 or Mod U and it would have been a much better race.

I doubt Duff was pushing hard...I know he has done other exhibition runs against real F1 boats and been right there with them. The longer the course, the better the HP will compete...but you just can't out turn a tunnel.

 

[Sharp Shooter]

lmao...

That all said in “reality” I don’t think a k boat is going to compete with a Champ Boat.. If I’m not mistaking didn’t this guy just get that boat? Only driven it once or twice? Is that a class legal champ boat / motor etc?

To be totally honest Dave, I don’t know the details other than RJ West is an experienced tunnel boat pilot in the lower classes.

I have however, witnessed k boats on the winning end of a “Champ boat” or f1 shootout and vice versa. They’ve been doing these types of races for years. The only problem is, they don’t always match up the fastest K boat againt the fastest Champ or f1.

Maybe Ross or Keith could tell us the difference between a Champ, F1 and Mod U.

 

[STV_Keith]

"Champ boats" are that type of hull. They are used in F1, F2, SST120, SST140, etc. There are a few different sizes of boats, and I'm not sure the legalities of which length is used in what class myself. My dad's "Champ boat" was originally built to run F1. It was 18' long. When he bought it, it had a SST140 motor on it, which is basically a carbureted 2.4 liter (142 cubes), 12" mid and speedmaster.

The F1 class is basically the same, but with the 2.5l EFI motors. Those motors have a RPM limit due to the class (8600 IIRC). Mod U is "modified unlimited" - basically the baddest motor they can build for aspirated on gasoline.

Here's a great video I have favorited on YT. Aussie BAD boats and two tunnels. The white one is a Mod U from what I understand. Notice how the BAD boats don't get away from it so much on the straights.

 

[guest hs]

RJ west was the driver it was. Formula I boat with a 2.5 liter Mercury and the boat was no joke! I have witnessed this match up before last time Scarlota driving Gordon Jennings K69 and it smoked the FI boat as well. I don’t care how many cubic inches you have don’t bite off more than you can chew. You want to run with the big boys throw that sewing machine in the trash because your never going to beat a K boat.

 

[guest hs]

That’s a cool video but I wouldn’t compare that Australia Bad Boat to an American K Boat

 

[RiverDave]

That’s a cool video but I wouldn’t compare that Australia Bad Boat to an American K Boat

Seems someone awhile ago took K Boats down to AUS, and it was pretty competitive against each other if I remember right?

RD

 

[Sharp Shooter]

Seems someone awhile ago took K Boats down to AUS, and it was pretty competitive against each other if I remember right?

RD

We’ve sent down a bunch of boats going all the way back to the 70’s. Yes, our boats can compete and sometimes beat the Bad Boats down unda.

 

[Sharp Shooter]

NRBR’s dad raced K boats extensively and had or at least drove one of those champ style boats at one time. He’s also raced his K against a Mod U (John Lane) at long beach. It would be interesting to hear the differences from someone who’s driven both. Dennis, you listening?

 

[stoker2001]

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that's not fair..its air entrapment,modern technology with a warrantee

 

[Sharp Shooter]

Well, you outboarders will love this. RJ was running a 200XS motor. So the race was kinda staged.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Nice of them to put on a show.
I'm very curious what a 300hp outboard would do against a 1200-1500hp in the same or similar boats.

 

[guest hs]

I guarantee that engine was not 200 h.p

 

[Sharp Shooter]

Nice of them to put on a show.
I'm very curious what a 300hp outboard would do against a 1200-

They have one in Australia but I don’t think it’s 1200 horsepower...? There are videos of it on youtube (don’t ask me where).

20+ years ago there was an Endurance tunnel class utilizing traditional V8’s as well as exotic power plants but those boats were larger than these flyweight ob boats.

 

[wzuber]

That’s a cool video but I wouldn’t compare that Australia Bad Boat to an American K Boat

yore right...there's no comparison.
Our "kitchen table" flat bottoms would have barrel rolled and sunk where their soft chine style hull spun out and continued to race. I'm not looking to re-open the debate here of hull style, safety etc. simply note that our style hull vs. theirs adds a significant challenge for our racers and we've lost many of our best in the challenge. RIP to those brave competitors. Good luck to those chosing to rise to the challenge.

 

[guest hs]

Theres no doubt that the bad Boats that run that sytle of racing are going to win but put them on our oval and they wont I seen this happen in Parker many times when they shipped the Aussie boats down here. Theres no doubt the ugly Aussie boats are impressive!

 

[outboardrick]

I guarantee that engine was not 200 h.p

Actually, 200hp is exactly what it looked like in my opinion.

 

[wzuber]

Theres no doubt that the bad Boats that run that sytle of racing are going to win but put them on our oval and they wont I seen this happen in Parker many times when they shipped the Aussie boats down here. Theres no doubt the ugly Aussie boats are impressive!

If your referring to the the 18' v- bottom boats they sent over here a couple years ago with the naturally asperated small block dodge nascar engines (900 hp? vs. 2000 hp?) in them then yes the blown alc. k boats were able to out accelerate them in the straights but were reeled in in the turns very similarly as this outboard race. However, the aussie boats, from my view, put on a great showing and were much more forgiving when hitting a wake bad or dropping into a hole left by the k boat exiting a turn etc. They handeled the shit that routinely. flips and crashes our flats typically and kept on charging. Those boats were very impressive. Don't get me wrong, I love our flats just as much as anyone, but their boats are badass too in their own right and many are very well rigged and beautiful race boats, just different than what we are accustomed too.