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The article says that one ejected, but there was a pilot still in the wreckage that a retired nurse went to work on. You would think that ejection seats would be an all-or-nothing type thing?

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It looks like a classic high AOA stall and spin. That's something a Snowbirds pilot would never do, but there it is on video. An engine failure at the most critical moment in the steep turn may have occurred.

Apparently one occupant punched out, but the other, a female, may have failed to do so and perished. The Snowbirds have a female pilot, Captain Sarah Dallaire. News reports are saying one person survived the incident, and don't name either person. The decedent could have been a local reporter or celebrity on a ride, which is common across all military air demonstration teams.
 
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The plane crashed into one of my co workers next door neighbours house. His wife was home with 3 kids. He rushed home to get the family/ dogs out of the house.
 

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Its not surprising. The Tutor aircraft they fly are from the mid 1960's.
 

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Pilot survived but in critical condition, female Snowbird member died on the scene. It was reported earlier she was inside the plane, not sure about that. Not sure if the Tutor has one ejection or two. It's a trainer, so it should have two?

Canada's aerobatic team had been involved with eight deaths since 1972.
 
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Pilot survived but in critical condition, female Snowbird member died on the scene. She was inside the plane. Not sure if the Tutor has one ejection or two. It's a trainer, so it should have two?
Ya I would think so! Not much sense in a 2 seater with 1 ejection seat!
 

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There’s video of it on IG. Looks like both ejected but neither one’s chute deploys.
 

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Ya I would think so! Not much sense in a 2 seater with 1 ejection seat!
Must have been some malfunction.
May 18, 2007: Capt. Shawn McCaughey of Quebec is killed when his jet crashed while he was practising for an air show at the Malmstrom Air Force Base in northern Montana. A military report later concluded that McCaughey's seatbelt came unfastened as he was steering his plane through a roll, causing him to fall out of his seat :oops::(and lose control of the plane.
 

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Just in. Both of them ejected. Pilot ended on the roof of a house, seriously injured. Shute probably wasn't helping being too close to ground to fully deploy to save her.Shitty deal.
 

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It looks like a classic high AOA stall and spin. That's something a Snowbirds pilot would never do, but there it is on video. An engine failure at the most critical moment in the steep turn may have occurred.

Apparently one occupant punched out, but the other, a female, may have failed to do so and perished. The Snowbirds have a female pilot, Captain Sarah Dallaire. News reports are saying one person survived the incident, and don't name either person. The decedent could have been a local reporter or celebrity on a ride, which is common across all military air demonstration teams.
Trying to do the "impossible turn" back to the field? Hard to believe they would attempt that. Maybe a flight control equipment failure? A gust lock not removed?
 

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"Multiple sources told Global News that Capt. Jennifer Casey was killed in the crash. Casey, the team’s public affairs officer, is from Halifax, according to her Canadian Forces biography.

Capt. Jennifer Casey, the public affairs officer for the RCAF Snowbirds, was killed in a crash in Kamloops, B.C. on Sunday, May 17.

She joined the CAF in 2014, and the Snowbirds in 2018. Prior to that, she worked as a radio reporter, producer and anchor."

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Did she pull up hard to gain altitude prior to punching out?
 

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Here's the video. Rough angle to eject from. RIP. Got to think they were trying to steer it back to clear ground before chucking the jet..


People often say "the pilot was a hero because he steered away from ______."

That doesn't happen very often. They're trying to fly the plane to the end along with saving themselves, and where it hits isn't a concern. In this case, as Cobalt 232 noted, the aircraft may have suffered a catastrophic engine failure, and the pilot intended to trade airspeed for altitude as he started a turn back towards the runway. Unfortunately, it appears he was too aggressive in the zoom climb and steep bank, and the aircraft stalled and spun.

After the plane stalled and went into a spin, the pilot recovered control and rolled out with the wings level. You can see the positive control as he stops the spin.

Almost simultaneously, the ejection sequence is activated, and both occupants leave the aircraft. Unfortunately, the ejection seat wasn't the zero-zero type that can be pulled at zero altitude and zero forward speed and still deliver sufficient height for a safe outcome.

Those type seats have steerable solid rocket boosters with gyroscopic controls. They automatically point the seat to vertical flight, and the rocket motor increases the seat altitude enough to allow a successful parachute deployment even if the aircraft is stationary on a runway.

Instead, the older generation seat in the CT-114 fires an explosive round to separate it from the aircraft (the sound is obvious in the video), and the trajectory is fixed. It pushes the seat forward and upward from the fuselage centerline.

At the moment of ejection, the aircraft was in a high speed steep dive approaching the ground, and as a result the seats were propelled almost horizontally with a significant downward vector. There was not enough time to get a good canopy, and both of the crew hit hard.
 
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^^^ A split second made the difference between the two occupants what angle they ejected. Her trajectory was most likely aimed more towards the ground. I saw a russian pilot eject even closer to ground and survived because of the angle he ejected was more upwards. Sad thing is, they [ snowbirds ] did this demonstration for good cause.😢
 

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People often say "the pilot was a hero because he steered away from ______."

That doesn't happen very often. They're trying to fly the plane to the end along with saving themselves, and where it hits isn't a concern. In this case, as Cobalt 232 noted, the aircraft may have suffered a catastrophic engine failure, and the pilot intended to trade airspeed for altitude as he started a turn back towards the runway. Unfortunately, it appears he was too aggressive in the zoom climb and steep bank, and the aircraft stalled and spun.

After the plane stalled and went into a spin, the pilot recovered control and rolled out with the wings level. You can see the positive control as he stops the spin.

Almost simultaneously, the ejection sequence is activated, and both occupants leave the aircraft. Unfortunately, the ejection seat wasn't the zero-zero type that can be pulled at zero altitude and zero forward speed and still deliver sufficient height for a safe outcome.

Those type seats have steerable solid rocket boosters with gyroscopic controls. They automatically point the seat to vertical flight, and the rocket motor increases the seat altitude enough to allow a successful parachute deployment even if the aircraft is stationary on a runway.

Instead, the older generation seat in the CT-114 fires an explosive round to separate it from the aircraft (the sound is obvious in the video), and the trajectory is fixed. It pushes the seat forward and upward from the fuselage centerline.

At the moment of ejection, the aircraft was in a high speed steep dive approaching the ground, and as a result the seats were propelled almost horizontally with a significant downward vector. There was not enough time to get a good canopy, and both of the crew hit hard.
I saw another angle on the accident. Sounded like a compressor stall or some other engine failure.

Once the AOA increased and speed bled off, it stalled and rolled so quickly. Being a non swept wing training aircraft, I would assume the stall speed would be fairly low.
 

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I saw another angle on the accident. Sounded like a compressor stall or some other engine failure.

Once the AOA increased and speed bled off, it stalled and rolled so quickly. Being a non swept wing training aircraft, I would assume the stall speed would be fairly low.

I looked for the specs, stall speed is 71 knots with full flaps, so clean is almost certainly less than 90. The pilot was really aggressive with the climb and bank, and even though he had experience with every possible flight regime in the Tutor, it appears he simply screwed the pooch.
 
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