"The Myth of Systemic Police Racism"

[rrrr]

Here it is, boys and girls. WSJ columnist Heather MacDonald tears apart the fiction that the police target and kill black Americans. I know many of you have an attention span that will make reading more than two paragraphs a painful experience, but if you're going to refute the claims of the left, it's required reading.

This is just a portion of the article. Please read the entire piece by following the link.


George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis has revived the Obama-era narrative that law enforcement is endemically racist. On Friday, Barack Obama tweeted that for millions of black Americans, being treated differently by the criminal justice system on account of race is “tragically, painfully, maddeningly ‘normal.’ ” Mr. Obama called on the police and the public to create a “new normal,” in which bigotry no longer “infects our institutions and our hearts.”

This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.

Opinion | The Myth of Systemic Police Racism

Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.

www.wsj.com

 

[pronstar]

But...but...but...


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[monkeyswrench]

"New Normal"
Holy crap, even in regards to racism, the term is used...but I digress. The numbers have not matched the claims, but maybe that's where common core math comes into play.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Don't have a membership.

Serious question though, did the officer say something racist during the arrest, have a history of racism, etc., or was this automatically racist because the officer was white and the suspect was black?

 

[chvynhra]

Don't have a membership.

Serious question though, did the officer say something racist during the arrest, have a history of racism, etc., or was this automatically racist because the officer was white and the suspect was black?

That's exactly what I'm asking... where is the evidence of racism??

 

[Riley1]

 

[DaveC]

NO NO NO. He was killed because he was black. (as the claim goes)

Not cuz the officer was an asshole

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Don't have a membership.

Serious question though, did the officer say something racist during the arrest, have a history of racism, etc., or was this automatically racist because the officer was white and the suspect was black?

The 2 white cops are racist, the half white/half black cop is racist, and the Asian cop, he is racist too.

 

[rrrr]

Don't have a membership.

The link didn't work? I thought I had gone around the paywall, but I can't verify it because I have a subscription. Sorry.

I'll just post the entire thing.





George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis has revived the Obama-era narrative that law enforcement is endemically racist. On Friday, Barack Obama tweeted that for millions of black Americans, being treated differently by the criminal justice system on account of race is “tragically, painfully, maddeningly ‘normal.’ ” Mr. Obama called on the police and the public to create a “new normal,” in which bigotry no longer “infects our institutions and our hearts.”

Joe Biden released a video the same day in which he asserted that all African-Americans fear for their safety from “bad police” and black children must be instructed to tolerate police abuse just so they can “make it home.” That echoed a claim Mr. Obama made after the ambush murder of five Dallas officers in July 2016. During their memorial service, the president said African-American parents were right to fear that their children may be killed by police officers whenever they go outside.

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz denounced the “stain . . . of fundamental, institutional racism” on law enforcement during a Friday press conference. He claimed blacks were right to dismiss promises of police reform as empty verbiage.

This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

On Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone, 10 African-Americans were killed in drive-by shootings. Such routine violence has continued—a 72-year-old Chicago man shot in the face on May 29 by a gunman who fired about a dozen shots into a residence; two 19-year-old women on the South Side shot to death as they sat in a parked car a few hours earlier; a 16-year-old boy fatally stabbed with his own knife that same day. This past weekend, 80 Chicagoans were shot in drive-by shootings, 21 fatally, the victims overwhelmingly black. Police shootings are not the reason that blacks die of homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined; criminal violence is.

The latest in a series of studies undercutting the claim of systemic police bias was published in August 2019 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The researchers found that the more frequently officers encounter violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the chance that a member of that group will be fatally shot by a police officer. There is “no significant evidence of antiblack disparity in the likelihood of being fatally shot by police,” they concluded.

A 2015 Justice Department analysis of the Philadelphia Police Department found that white police officers were less likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot unarmed black suspects. Research by Harvard economist Roland G. Fryer Jr. also found no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings. Any evidence to the contrary fails to take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police.

The false narrative of systemic police bias resulted in targeted killings of officers during the Obama presidency. The pattern may be repeating itself. Officers are being assaulted and shot at while they try to arrest gun suspects or respond to the growing riots. Police precincts and courthouses have been destroyed with impunity, which will encourage more civilization-destroying violence. If the Ferguson effect of officers backing off law enforcement in minority neighborhoods is reborn as the Minneapolis effect, the thousands of law-abiding African-Americans who depend on the police for basic safety will once again be the victims.

The Minneapolis officers who arrested George Floyd must be held accountable for their excessive use of force and callous indifference to his distress. Police training needs to double down on de-escalation tactics. But Floyd’s death should not undermine the legitimacy of American law enforcement, without which we will continue on a path toward chaos.

 

[Wizard29]

Since this is all about race now, some interesting stats that the media and all of the protesting idiots will never acknowledge:

Black people account for just under 13% of the population.

The number of blacks shot and killed by police each year is roughly half the number of whites shot and killed by police each year.

According to FBI crime stats, blacks are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of crime as compared to their population. Homicides, for example. In 2016, blacks committed 4,935 of the 9,374 homicides, which is 52.6%.

What the media and all of the idiots like to say is this 13% of the population suffers a much greater percentage of them killed by police because of racism, etc.

What they will never say or acknowledge is that same 13% Of the population is responsible for a much greater percentage of the crime, over 50% in the example above.

It stands to reason that since they commit more crime per capita, they would have more interactions with the police. A certain percentage of interactions with the police unfortunately result in extreme situations where the suspect is killed by the police.

Perhaps if the black community would get their shit together and stop committing 50% or more of the crimes, less of them would perish at the hands of law enforcement.

Are there a disproportionate amount of black people being killed relative to their total population? Yes. Is that because they also commit a disproportionate amount of the crime relative to their population? Yes. Is it because of systematic racism and police bias? No.

But the media and all of the other dipshit protesters out there will never acknowledge this. Facts have no place in their world.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

The link didn't work? I thought I had gone around the paywall, but I can't verify it because I have a subscription. Sorry.

I'll just post the entire thing.





George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis has revived the Obama-era narrative that law enforcement is endemically racist. On Friday, Barack Obama tweeted that for millions of black Americans, being treated differently by the criminal justice system on account of race is “tragically, painfully, maddeningly ‘normal.’ ” Mr. Obama called on the police and the public to create a “new normal,” in which bigotry no longer “infects our institutions and our hearts.”

Joe Biden released a video the same day in which he asserted that all African-Americans fear for their safety from “bad police” and black children must be instructed to tolerate police abuse just so they can “make it home.” That echoed a claim Mr. Obama made after the ambush murder of five Dallas officers in July 2016. During their memorial service, the president said African-American parents were right to fear that their children may be killed by police officers whenever they go outside.

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz denounced the “stain . . . of fundamental, institutional racism” on law enforcement during a Friday press conference. He claimed blacks were right to dismiss promises of police reform as empty verbiage.

This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

On Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone, 10 African-Americans were killed in drive-by shootings. Such routine violence has continued—a 72-year-old Chicago man shot in the face on May 29 by a gunman who fired about a dozen shots into a residence; two 19-year-old women on the South Side shot to death as they sat in a parked car a few hours earlier; a 16-year-old boy fatally stabbed with his own knife that same day. This past weekend, 80 Chicagoans were shot in drive-by shootings, 21 fatally, the victims overwhelmingly black. Police shootings are not the reason that blacks die of homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined; criminal violence is.

The latest in a series of studies undercutting the claim of systemic police bias was published in August 2019 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The researchers found that the more frequently officers encounter violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the chance that a member of that group will be fatally shot by a police officer. There is “no significant evidence of antiblack disparity in the likelihood of being fatally shot by police,” they concluded.

A 2015 Justice Department analysis of the Philadelphia Police Department found that white police officers were less likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot unarmed black suspects. Research by Harvard economist Roland G. Fryer Jr. also found no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings. Any evidence to the contrary fails to take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police.

The false narrative of systemic police bias resulted in targeted killings of officers during the Obama presidency. The pattern may be repeating itself. Officers are being assaulted and shot at while they try to arrest gun suspects or respond to the growing riots. Police precincts and courthouses have been destroyed with impunity, which will encourage more civilization-destroying violence. If the Ferguson effect of officers backing off law enforcement in minority neighborhoods is reborn as the Minneapolis effect, the thousands of law-abiding African-Americans who depend on the police for basic safety will once again be the victims.

The Minneapolis officers who arrested George Floyd must be held accountable for their excessive use of force and callous indifference to his distress. Police training needs to double down on de-escalation tactics. But Floyd’s death should not undermine the legitimacy of American law enforcement, without which we will continue on a path toward chaos.

Thank you rrrr. Good read .

 

[rrrr]

Since this is all about race now, some interesting stats that the media and all of the protesting idiots will never acknowledge:

Black people account for just under 13% of the population.

The number of blacks shot and killed by police each year is roughly half the number of whites shot and killed by police each year.

According to FBI crime stats, blacks are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of crime as compared to their population. Homicides, for example. In 2016, blacks committed 4,935 of the 9,374 homicides, which is 52.6%.

What the media and all of the idiots like to say is this 13% of the population suffers a much greater percentage of them killed by police because of racism, etc.

What they will never say or acknowledge is that same 13% Of the population is responsible for a much greater percentage of the crime, over 50% in the example above.

It stands to reason that since they commit more crime per capita, they would have more interactions with the police. A certain percentage of interactions with the police unfortunately result in extreme situations where the suspect is killed by the police.

Perhaps if the black community would get their shit together and stop committing 50% or more of the crimes, less of them would perish at the hands of law enforcement.

Are there a disproportionate amount of black people being killed relative to their total population? Yes. Is that because they also commit a disproportionate amount of the crime relative to their population? Yes. Is it because of systematic racism and police bias? No.

But the media and all of the other dipshit protesters out there will never acknowledge this. Facts have no place in their world.

The 13% figure is commonly tossed out, but it's inaccurate, because in 2018 black males, 6% of the US population, committed the vast majority of the 60% of robberies and 53% of all murders by blacks.

Somehow pointing out these statistics is racist. It's like Alice in fucking Wonderland.

 

[Wizard29]

The 13% figure is commonly tossed out, but it's inaccurate, because in 2018 black males, 6% of the US population, committed the vast majority of the 60% of robberies and 53% of all murders by blacks.

Somehow pointing out these statistics is racist. It's like Alice in fucking Wonderland.

I wasn’t going to go that down deep into it because even at 13%, the numbers don’t paint a pretty picture. I’m fine with letting them have the extra 7%.

You’re right though. It is crazy how data like this is constantly ignored. Pay attention to the numbers and you’re a racist. Unbelievable.

 

[WhatExit?]

In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019.

By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

On Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone, 10 African-Americans were killed in drive-by shootings. Such routine violence has continued—a 72-year-old Chicago man shot in the face on May 29 by a gunman who fired about a dozen shots into a residence; two 19-year-old women on the South Side shot to death as they sat in a parked car a few hours earlier; a 16-year-old boy fatally stabbed with his own knife that same day. This past weekend, 80 Chicagoans were shot in drive-by shootings, 21 fatally, the victims overwhelmingly black. Police shootings are not the reason that blacks die of homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined; criminal violence is.

The false narrative of systemic police bias resulted in targeted killings of officers during the Obama presidency. The pattern may be repeating itself. Officers are being assaulted and shot at while they try to arrest gun suspects or respond to the growing riots. Police precincts and courthouses have been destroyed with impunity, which will encourage more civilization-destroying violence. If the Ferguson effect of officers backing off law enforcement in minority neighborhoods is reborn as the Minneapolis effect, the thousands of law-abiding African-Americans who depend on the police for basic safety will once again be the victims.

Thanks for posting! These stats are being used by truth-tellers who will quickly be attacked for not complying with the left's propaganda.

Big cities with minority residents are going to be the next Chicagos. After all, why would any LEO risk their lives going after criminals when the people on the street are also threats to their safety?

 

[stevesdcb]

Since this is all about race now, some interesting stats that the media and all of the protesting idiots will never acknowledge:

Black people account for just under 13% of the population.

The number of blacks shot and killed by police each year is roughly half the number of whites shot and killed by police each year.

According to FBI crime stats, blacks are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of crime as compared to their population. Homicides, for example. In 2016, blacks committed 4,935 of the 9,374 homicides, which is 52.6%.

What the media and all of the idiots like to say is this 13% of the population suffers a much greater percentage of them killed by police because of racism, etc.

What they will never say or acknowledge is that same 13% Of the population is responsible for a much greater percentage of the crime, over 50% in the example above.

It stands to reason that since they commit more crime per capita, they would have more interactions with the police. A certain percentage of interactions with the police unfortunately result in extreme situations where the suspect is killed by the police.

Perhaps if the black community would get their shit together and stop committing 50% or more of the crimes, less of them would perish at the hands of law enforcement.

Are there a disproportionate amount of black people being killed relative to their total population? Yes. Is that because they also commit a disproportionate amount of the crime relative to their population? Yes. Is it because of systematic racism and police bias? No.

But the media and all of the other dipshit protesters out there will never acknowledge this. Facts have no place in their world.

Bingo.....right there! This is the "root" of their problem! Groups like Black Lives Matters are only teaching resistance, anger, aggression, which does nothing but continue the cycle of ignorance for the black community. Once again, a group of people who cannot think or get out of a box & are being lead astray by?.........again, I think I know who it is.

 

[hallett3]

 

[oldschool]

The 13% figure is commonly tossed out, but it's inaccurate, because in 2018 black males, 6% of the US population, committed the vast majority of the 60% of robberies and 53% of all murders by blacks.

Somehow pointing out these statistics is racist. It's like Alice in fucking Wonderland.

Because those stats or real numbers don’t fit the narrative. Are racism AND the Corona virus real? YES. Is it the massive issue the mainstream media portrays it to be? Fuck No!

 

[530RL]

 

[rrrr]

There's a "trust gap" and "tension" between the black community and law enforcement because inside the black community there is a violent criminal population. That population preys on the community and rules it by fear.

 

[Wizard29]

So what's your solution?

With the black community committing such a disproportionate amount of the crime, that will carry with it an inherent reputation that being black could make you more likely to commit a crime. The numbers don't lie. It's not right for cops to harass based on race alone, but the black community has only their bad apples to blame for the fact that all of them get looked at a little more closely.

So what is your solution, 530? My solution is for the black community to turn it around, police themselves, and stop being a larger part of the crime problem than their population would justify. It sounds racist, but it is purely based on numbers and facts. I have many black friends and they are great people. I do feel bad for the fact they pay a price for the bad ones in their group. That happens to all of us though. We are often judged by the bad few that exist in the groups we are a part of. It's life. The real solution is for the group to address its bad parts and correct the problem. Nobody can do that for them.

 

[rrrr]

By the way, 530's video link is four years old. It was filmed after five Dallas cops were ambushed and killed during "peaceful protests" about Alton Sterling's death in Baton Rouge. Sterling was killed by police officers trying to arrest him, he was doing his damnedest to get a .38 out of his front pocket when he was shot.

The black community eulogized Sterling as a good man, turning his life around, etc. He was in fact attempting to murder two policemen.

Why does the black community glorify thugs like Sterling and Floyd?

 

[94Nautique]

By the way, 530's video link is four years old. It was filmed after five Dallas cops were ambushed and killed during "peaceful protests" about Alton Sterling's death in Baton Rouge. Sterling was killed by police officers trying to arrest him, he was doing his damnedest to get a .38 out of his front pocket when he was shot.

The black community eulogized Sterling as a good man, turning his life around, etc. He was in fact attempting to murder two policemen.

Why does the black community glorify thugs like Sterling and Floyd?

Liberals promote victimhood as a way life. Stands to reason they will paint anyone as a victim, regardless of how much baggage they carry.

 

[530RL]

So what's your solution?

With the black community committing such a disproportionate amount of the crime, that will carry with it an inherent reputation that being black could make you more likely to commit a crime. The numbers don't lie. It's not right for cops to harass based on race alone, but the black community has only their bad apples to blame for the fact that all of them get looked at a little more closely.

So what is your solution, 530? My solution is for the black community to turn it around, police themselves, and stop being a larger part of the crime problem than their population would justify. It sounds racist, but it is purely based on numbers and facts. I have many black friends and they are great people. I do feel bad for the fact they pay a price for the bad ones in their group. That happens to all of us though. We are often judged by the bad few that exist in the groups we are a part of. It's life. The real solution is for the group to address its bad parts and correct the problem. Nobody can do that for them.

Why is it that when America defines groups who commit more crime and less crime, they choose to define those groups by the color of someones skin such as the common statement "With the black community committing such a disproportionate amount of the crime"?

Why not define the groups who commit more crime by income, by tattoos, by body piercing, by education level, by the age of their car, by attire? Why by skin color, a grouping methodology specifically excluded under the Constitution?

The observation I have had for years is that when I spent a lot of time in NY including at the peak of stop and frisk, why was I never once subjected to such activity even though I was in the same areas where it was happening and I saw it happen at least a dozen times around and right next to me? We knew that of recorded stops 88% were completely innocent, and of non-recorded stops which was the vast majority 100% were innocent, otherwise they would have become a recorded stop upon citation or arrest. So I always thought to myself, boy would I be fucking pissed if I was repeatedly being tossed up against a wall or even held up and questioned simply because of the color of my skin and not something that I did. I'd be thinking why am I getting stopped and harassed just because some people with my skin color committed crimes at a higher rate? I'm just going to school or I'm just going to work and I'm getting held up while that white guy over there is not.

Profiling may be effective policing and it certainly is not the fault of line officers as they are just following policy. But even if one can get past the issues of lumping criminality by race as a justification for disparate rights, the question for me remains of whether a black or a brown American should be held responsible with diminished Constitutional protections for the actions of other black or brown Americans? Or in this video, why is a very successful hard working US Senator who is black, subject to different treatments and protections simply due to the actions of others who have the same skin color. How is he responsible for their actions?

So what's the solution? Beats me but if one side keeps lumping people by race, its not hard for me to understand why both sides will remain pissed about it? People are either going to have to come to the conclusion that the risk of not profiling people by race is a lot less costly than this turmoil every few years, or that this turmoil is just a cost worth bearing to profile and retain preconceived notions of possible guilt based upon skin color. We are going to have to choose to treat each person individually based solely on that individuals actions and hold them solely accountable for their actions, or we can keep trying to make people guilty by association.

 

[Tank]

Actually the statistics are run on male / female, age, educational background, financial status, among others things. It's statistics that are relevant to understanding crime. I'm sure if it was apparent most criminals drove a certain age car or had certain tattoos or anything else that followed a trend those statistics would be tracked as well. But lets be honest here...Who makes it all about race? No secret it's the liberal media and identity politics that continuously pushes out BLACK MAN KILLED BY WHITE COP. Not rocket science man.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Why is it that when America defines groups who commit more crime and less crime, they choose to define those groups by the color of someones skin such as the common statement "With the black community committing such a disproportionate amount of the crime"?

Why not define the groups who commit more crime by income, by tattoos, by body piercing, by education level, by the age of their car, by attire? Why by skin color, a grouping methodology specifically excluded under the Constitution?

Why do the people protesting think it is only black lives that matter?

If there is systemic racism in law enforcement, why don’t Asian lives matter? Why don’t Latino lives matter? Why don’t all lives matter? Why are all cops seen as racist? Aren’t all of those views profiling and discriminatory? Aren’t they asking for that NOT to be done to them?

The answer to most of those questions about tattoos, education, etc. are also known, and you are being obtuse.

Law enforcement is aware of what tattoos are associated with certain criminal enterprises, they know if those people have went to college or not after they are in custody, they know what attire Is associated with certain criminal organizations. Using any or all of that information is discriminatory and profiling. Law enforcement knows where crimes happen, and who lives in those neighborhoods. I guess giving extra law enforcement support to those neighborhoods That need the help is discriminatory as well.

If they never reported on what race commits crimes and get killed by police and what race kills each other it should not change the BLM mission should it? Oh wait only black lives matter to them because those are the only lives they are protesting about. But they are saying nothing about the black cops killed over the last several days.. so only black civilian lives matter?

I get that there is a problem and there is some racism in the system. A discriminatory mission statement and a goal to balance the scales for a particular race is not going to fix discrimination and racism.. that is inherently discriminatory and racist.

If I went on social media right now and said All Lives Matter and I don’t want to see another person killed by police ever, I’d be called a racist.

 

[rrrr]

Why is it that when America defines groups who commit more crime and less crime, they choose to define those groups by the color of someones skin such as the common statement "With the black community committing such a disproportionate amount of the crime"?

Why not define the groups who commit more crime by income, by tattoos, by body piercing, by education level, by the age of their car, by attire? Why by skin color, a grouping methodology specifically excluded under the Constitution?

Show me where categorizing criminals by race is prohibited by the Constitution.

You catch fish where the fishing is good. If the black community wants to change that, they need to do something about it.

 

[WhatExit?]

Former civil rights activist Bob Woodson issued a sweeping indictment Tuesday of both the Black Lives Matter movement and the idea that "systemic racism" is the cause of African-American hardship in the U.S. It’s an amazing interview.

"The promises we gave to low income blacks was that if you elect blacks to office through the voting rights act and we were running those institutions all of black America would be better off. In the past 50 years 22 Trillion dollars have been spent on poverty programs. 70% goes not to the poor but those who serve poor people. Many of those people taking office use this money to create a class of people who are running these cities.

And now after 50 years of liberal Democrats running the inner cities where we have all of these inequities we have race is being used as a ruse as a means of deflecting attention from critical questions such as why are poor blacks failing in systems run by their own people if race was an issue? Even the criminal justice system. And if we continue to look at life through a racial prism, when evil wears a black face it will escape detection and therefore correction. We must confront this - deracial race and desegregate poverty. It is not race. I don't know what systemic racism is."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bob-woodson-rejects-systemic-racism-class-race

 

[Wizard29]

Why is it that when America defines groups who commit more crime and less crime, they choose to define those groups by the color of someones skin such as the common statement "With the black community committing such a disproportionate amount of the crime"?

Why not define the groups who commit more crime by income, by tattoos, by body piercing, by education level, by the age of their car, by attire? Why by skin color, a grouping methodology specifically excluded under the Constitution?

The observation I have had for years is that when I spent a lot of time in NY including at the peak of stop and frisk, why was I never once subjected to such activity even though I was in the same areas where it was happening and I saw it happen at least a dozen times around and right next to me? We knew that of recorded stops 88% were completely innocent, and of non-recorded stops which was the vast majority 100% were innocent, otherwise they would have become a recorded stop upon citation or arrest. So I always thought to myself, boy would I be fucking pissed if I was repeatedly being tossed up against a wall or even held up and questioned simply because of the color of my skin and not something that I did. I'd be thinking why am I getting stopped and harassed just because some people with my skin color committed crimes at a higher rate? I'm just going to school or I'm just going to work and I'm getting held up while that white guy over there is not.

Profiling may be effective policing and it certainly is not the fault of line officers as they are just following policy. But even if one can get past the issues of lumping criminality by race as a justification for disparate rights, the question for me remains of whether a black or a brown American should be held responsible with diminished Constitutional protections for the actions of other black or brown Americans? Or in this video, why is a very successful hard working US Senator who is black, subject to different treatments and protections simply due to the actions of others who have the same skin color. How is he responsible for their actions?

So what's the solution? Beats me but if one side keeps lumping people by race, its not hard for me to understand why both sides will remain pissed about it? People are either going to have to come to the conclusion that the risk of not profiling people by race is a lot less costly than this turmoil every few years, or that this turmoil is just a cost worth bearing to profile and retain preconceived notions of possible guilt based upon skin color. We are going to have to choose to treat each person individually based solely on that individuals actions and hold them solely accountable for their actions, or we can keep trying to make people guilty by association.

So you don't have a solution that you can even suggest. Yet you'll continue to post here and counter everything everybody else says. Doesn't seem like a very convincing strategy.

One side keeps lumping people by race? Let's see...

Black Lives Matter
Black Entertainment Television
Black History Month
National Association of the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)
National Society of Black Engineers
Black Wall Street USA

I could literally keep going for pages and pages. As a side note, can we have, say, a White History Month? White Entertainment Television? Nope, that would be racist. Why does it only go one way?

The black community seems to be just fine with being lumped by their race. Until we see, "Male between the ages of 25 and 35 with Bachelor's degrees making between $75K and $100K per year month", then so be it. They will continue to take the hits for the bad portions of the group they staunchly support being "lumped" into.

I agree with choosing to treat each person solely on their actions and I believe most of us really try to do that. It's not necessarily human nature though. If you got punched for no reason by half the men you met, you'd definitely be on guard when you encounter the next one because of your past experience with men as a whole...even though the next one has never done anything to you. The solution there is for the other men in the community to get their group to stop punching people.

 

[rrrr]

Why is it that when America defines groups who commit more crime and less crime, they choose to define those groups by the color of someones skin such as the common statement "With the black community committing such a disproportionate amount of the crime"?

Why not define the groups who commit more crime by income, by tattoos, by body piercing, by education level, by the age of their car, by attire? Why by skin color, a grouping methodology specifically excluded under the Constitution?

I'm still waiting for you to enlighten me about the US Constitution. I've looked and looked, and still can't find the part that prohibits the compilation of crime statistics based on race.

Or maybe you're just making shit up again.

 

[530RL]

I'm still waiting for you to enlighten me about the US Constitution. I've looked and looked, and still can't find the part that prohibits the compilation of crime statistics based on race.

Or maybe you're just making shit up again.

you can certainly “compile statistics” based upon anything you want.

However one can not pull someone over or stop someone simply due to the color of ones skin as was shown done during stop and frisk.

And that would be covered in the 14th amendment and why stop and frisk based upon skin color was deemed unconstitutional.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

you can certainly “compile statistics” based upon anything you want.

However one can not pull someone over or stop someone simply due to the color of ones skin as was shown done during stop and frisk.

And that would be covered in the 14th amendment and why stop and frisk based upon skin color was deemed unconstitutional.

So Floyd was randomly pulled over, or were the cops called on him for some reason which gave the cops a reason to investigate and detain?

It doesn’t make sense how all of this crap is morphing into racism. White vs. black. Where was the racism? From what I’ve seen there was zero racism, just a piece of shit cop who will have his day in court.

 

[rrrr]

you can certainly “compile statistics” based upon anything you want.

However one can not pull someone over or stop someone simply due to the color of ones skin as was shown done during stop and frisk.

And that would be covered in the 14th amendment and why stop and frisk based upon skin color was deemed unconstitutional.

That's a great answer to a question I didn't ask. You specifically said the Constitution forbids the collection of crime statistics by race. I've already posted your words twice, shall I do it again?

You used to make cogent and factual arguments. Now you're just another buffoon throwing out bullshit.

 

[RationalBeing]

"One side keeps lumping people by race"

Why is it that when America defines groups who commit more crime and less crime, they choose to define those groups by the color of someones skin such as the common statement "With the black community committing such a disproportionate amount of the crime"?

Why not define the groups who commit more crime by income, by tattoos, by body piercing, by education level, by the age of their car, by attire? Why by skin color, a grouping methodology specifically excluded under the Constitution?

The observation I have had for years is that when I spent a lot of time in NY including at the peak of stop and frisk, why was I never once subjected to such activity even though I was in the same areas where it was happening and I saw it happen at least a dozen times around and right next to me? We knew that of recorded stops 88% were completely innocent, and of non-recorded stops which was the vast majority 100% were innocent, otherwise they would have become a recorded stop upon citation or arrest. So I always thought to myself, boy would I be fucking pissed if I was repeatedly being tossed up against a wall or even held up and questioned simply because of the color of my skin and not something that I did. I'd be thinking why am I getting stopped and harassed just because some people with my skin color committed crimes at a higher rate? I'm just going to school or I'm just going to work and I'm getting held up while that white guy over there is not.

Profiling may be effective policing and it certainly is not the fault of line officers as they are just following policy. But even if one can get past the issues of lumping criminality by race as a justification for disparate rights, the question for me remains of whether a black or a brown American should be held responsible with diminished Constitutional protections for the actions of other black or brown Americans? Or in this video, why is a very successful hard working US Senator who is black, subject to different treatments and protections simply due to the actions of others who have the same skin color. How is he responsible for their actions?

So what's the solution? Beats me but if one side keeps lumping people by race, its not hard for me to understand why both sides will remain pissed about it? People are either going to have to come to the conclusion that the risk of not profiling people by race is a lot less costly than this turmoil every few years, or that this turmoil is just a cost worth bearing to profile and retain preconceived notions of possible guilt based upon skin color. We are going to have to choose to treat each person individually based solely on that individuals actions and hold them solely accountable for their actions, or we can keep trying to make people guilty by association.

"One side keeps lumping people by race", and you apparently mean the right/Republicans. That is so counter to reality that I signed up just to tell you how oblivious it is. Democrats/the left are the ones who have made EVERYTHING about race. They have gone from 'judge not by the color of a person's skin but by the content of their character', to making skin color and numerous other immutable differences the key factor in everything. That's the point of Social Justice. Actual justice is treating everybody the same. Social Justice is treating everybody differently based on their skin color. Professors proudly say that they 'Call on black women first, then black men, then Hispanic women, then Hispanic men, then white women, and then, only if they absolutely have to, white men.' Democrats/activists don't care if K-12 test results improve if they don't improve more for black students than they do for white and Asian students. They ignore the deaths of white people at the hands of police and make martyrs of criminals like Michael Brown because they are black. Everyone can name 6 to 12 black ppl killed by police. Twice as many white people are killed by police - can you name any of them? The white autistic boy killed by 2 black cops? The white guy on the ground being tased, shot and killed by a female cop bizarrely screaming at him to "get on the ground"? The white guy on his knees in surrender, killed by a burst of AR-15 fire at close range? The white guy who died much the same way as George Floyd, with cops filmed holding him down and ignoring his pleas that he can't breathe, with the added horror of them joking about his death? Odious Michelle Obama couldn't name a single white victim when she published her emotional plea to end police killings.
The High Priestess of the social justice movement, Robin D'Angleo, proudly describes in her book how her students would not read a critique of black feminism until they were told the race and gender of the author. You can start to get a clue by reading this entry in new discourses https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-identity/

 

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The FBI has been compiling crime stats for decades and yes, race is one of the sorting metrics. It shows us that more white people are arrested for crimes than blacks by almost 2:1. Also, that 85% of blacks who are murdered are murdered by other blacks, and so on. Check the FBI site for yourself and you will not see racism.

Now many will say that there are more whites than blacks in America and that blacks are disproportionately arrested. The same stats show that blacks disproportionately commit more crime, and there have been multiple theories on why this is and the quote from Bob Woodson makes good points.

The compiling of these stats is not to divide people, it is used to figure out where to use resources. Profiling was also mentioned and while one side likes to mention racial profiling, law enforcement uses criminal profiling. Do you look like a criminal they are looking for? I was stopped in LA in the 90's when they were looking for a white guy in a green Caddy STS. When they realized I was 20 years too young and had on the wrong clothes, they let me go, but not without taking a report. I was pulled over because of the color of my skin, and I'm fine with that. My brother spent several years in the LAPD Newton division. At the time there were as many blacks and whites in the department. Profiling was a big issue back then but my brother would say, "if you have to arrest X number of people per day and 90% look the same (tattoos, skin color, clothes) you become more suspicious of that group." It's not just human nature, it's a survival technique.

I don't have a single solution but prior to Bill Cosby being found out to be a pervert, he did have a lot of valuable solutions, most of which centered on a balanced family life.

 

[TeamGreene]

The party that's always saying "we're following the science and data" will do no such thing when it comes to this because it's all a lie.
This isn't the 1950's anymore, there aren't fire hoses being used on people in the streets. See link.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/

Interesting about the number of unarmed black people killed by the police in 2019 according to WAPO, it was 9 on Tuesday and now it's 15. What "new" info could have come in that would change a stat that's a year or more old? Nothing changed, the only thing that did change was that the chart was getting a lot more clicks and being referenced as proof that this is all a lie being perpetuated by the liberal media.

If anyone wants to make it easier to convict cops they may want to look to the police union and the deals the strike with the politicians.