Thoughts?

[was thatguy]

No, but you are justifying it and chalking it up to business as usual. I'd be FURIOUS if cops were called to my house cause my kid played with a toy someone didn't feel comfortable with yet was nothing wrong with the toy itself.

Not only should there be NO punishment to the child from the school (this is unchartered water for everybody including parents trying to figure out how to make this bullshit work), the teacher and SRO should publicly apologize to the kid for scaring the ever loving shit out of him for playing with his own toy.

But that's the problem. They won't. They will defend as if they are protecting the boy and his classmates and all. Yet every common sense loving person in this world knows there is really nothing wrong with what he did except get a little distracted during down time.

The schools rules ends at my property line (figure of speech since I live in an apartment at this time). From there, the law of the land and proper human decency and age appropriate behavior is all that is tolerated. Nobody dictates any further.

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Amen.

Would not surprise me to see them use this example as a reason to EXPAND their reach...you know...to protect kids in their own homes.

There is just something about this whole deal that infuriates me even more than my usual political rants.
Seriously...there is nothing ok about this shit.
ESPECIALLY when we step back and remember that it’s happening FOR NO REASON AT ALL...
We are arguing the details of an entirely falsely created situation based SOLELY on over reach and bullshit.

 

[was thatguy]

He was "handling" a toy gun during class. 30 years ago, we could still have the toy gun, but would still get in trouble for playing with it in class. That hasn't changed, I don't think. Kid should have got a talking to from the teacher though, not a welfare check from PD.

40 years ago we had real guns in our cars at school...

 

[was thatguy]

An experienced teacher likely is not seeing much they couldn’t figure out on their own.

My daughter does her thing in private in her room. Her teacher does not hear or see anything unless there is a technology problem and one of us has to go in and help her and we try to stay off camera lol.

The teacher is hearing and seeing everything in her room, correct? At least wherever the webcam is pointed?
YOU are not seeing or hearing anything in her room.


Think about it.

Your daughter is not enjoying any privacy at all. Her video is on the Internet. The ONLY one not privy to it is you.

 

[monkeyswrench]

40 years ago we had real guns in our cars at school...

Don't get me wrong, we did too...but still didn't play with them during class.

Wait a minute, you talk about being alone, having guns in school...but ditched school and hung out at a donut shop.
A donut shop run by a serial killer!
Sometimes survival and life, in general, is luck of the draw.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The teacher is hearing and seeing everything in her room, correct? At least wherever the webcam is pointed?
YOU are not seeing or hearing anything in her room.


Think about it.

Your daughter is not enjoying any privacy at all. Her video is on the Internet. The ONLY one not privy to it is you.

We can hear through her door. There are multiple video sessions throughout the day, so the camera is on and off. When there is no need for the camera, it is off and not left on.

I hear and see zero of what happens when she is off at school in class like normal. If they are indoctrinating my children, it is not going full court press via distance learning.

 

[DRYHEAT]

The only solution I see is to hang a trump 2020 flag in the background so the teacher can see it.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Are the parents allowed to sit in and watch school along with their child? I thought I recently saw a news report that said parents weren’t supposed to sit in on their child’s classroom instruction. What are they trying to hide?

 

[D19]

so is he a child sex offender now?

Hopefully. It was fairly recent. I heard it happened in OC too.

Pretty sad what kids today are being exposed to

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Are the parents allowed to sit in and watch school along with their child? I thought I recently saw a news report that said parents weren’t supposed to sit in on their child’s classroom instruction. What are they trying to hide?

There are plenty of helicopter parents that hover around and do the work for their kids. That is doing a disservice to your child in my opinion.

You leave your children with these people for 6 hours a day 5 days a week normally. If you are that paranoid about distance learning via teleconference and feel the need to sit there the whole time, why are you dropping them off at school in the first place?

If that is a concern, home school your kids.

 

[DRYHEAT]

There are plenty of helicopter parents that hover around and do the work for their kids. That is doing a disservice to your child in my opinion.

You leave your children with these people for 6 hours a day 5 days a week normally. If you are that paranoid about distance learning via teleconference and feel the need to sit there the whole time, why are you dropping them off at school in the first place?

If that is a concern, home school your kids.

If I knew how to search this stuff better I would look it up and link it I don’t remember the whole thing just it a parent didn’t like something they saw being taught in the classroom and went to the school board and the school board said the parent wasn’t supposed to be watching class., That kind of disturbs me a little bit as far as the indoctrination aspect of our schools.

I personally don’t know what is right or wrong anymore, I’m just sitting back watching the implosion of society as we know it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If I knew how to search this stuff better I would look it up and link it I don’t remember the whole thing just it a parent didn’t like something they saw being taught in the classroom and went to the school board and the school board said the parent wasn’t supposed to be watching class., That kind of disturbs me a little bit as far as the indoctrination aspect of our schools.

I personally don’t know what is right or wrong anymore, I’m just sitting back watching the implosion of society as we know it.

There are always going to be edge cases, just like this one in this thread. No schools board is going to change curriculum based off of one parent complaint. It is still the parents job to raise a kid that asks questions, hears different perspectives and gets lessons as knowledge outside the classroom.

 

[was thatguy]

There are plenty of helicopter parents that hover around and do the work for their kids. That is doing a disservice to your child in my opinion.

You leave your children with these people for 6 hours a day 5 days a week normally. If you are that paranoid about distance learning via teleconference and feel the need to sit there the whole time, why are you dropping them off at school in the first place?

If that is a concern, home school your kids.

Whatever you’re comfortable with.

 

[was thatguy]

Don't get me wrong, we did too...but still didn't play with them during class.

Wait a minute, you talk about being alone, having guns in school...but ditched school and hung out at a donut shop.
A donut shop run by a serial killer!
Sometimes survival and life, in general, is luck of the draw.

Lol
Hansen only killed strippers.
We only knew him from the donut shop.
We didn’t have guns IN school, we had them in our cars in plain sight usually. Hanging in the window. We mostly had mini 14’s with big mags. Usually a gun under the seat as well.
It’s just how it was back then in the Wild West town of Anchorage.
I was far more scared of classmates than any weak ass serial killer. Lol
Let’s see...one kid drowned 2 kids then raped the mom and threw her in the river as well, another 2 very prominent classmates beat a bum to death for fun, they got 20 years and then one got another 5 added for escaping a federal pen in CO. (He trained for 2 years for his escape...he’s dead now, jumped out a window in Anchorage and froze to death high on crack)

I’ve got endless stories of this nature. I grew up in that environment, the “lower 48” was not a reality for us. I still see the lower 48 as sort of a subdued version of America even though I’ve lived down here for 20 years.
It shaped my views and opinions in a non forgiving (possibly simplistic?) manner.

 

[rrrr]

Does your kid do that in the classroom? Do they bring to school?

That is the difference. Yes it is in your house. The time to mess around with it and pose for pictures is not during school time on a video conference.

If you also taught them that the guns are not toys to brandish and screw around with when you are bored and alone while on video then there would never be a problem.

Making up shit makes your arguments meaningless.

“I was just fiddling with it because I was bored, and so I just fiddled with the nearest object at hand,” said Maddox Blow, 11, who also said a Wheat Ridge police officer came to his house.

Maddox, a student at Bell Middle School in Golden, Colorado, said he was attending online class and finished a quiz early, so he pulled up other things on his computer screen and mindlessly grabbed the Airsoft pistol in his room. His actions were caught on a recording, but a teacher didn’t notice it until hours later when she was reviewing the recorded session, according to Justin Blow, Maddox’s father.

 

[was thatguy]

Making up shit makes your arguments meaningless.

“I was just fiddling with it because I was bored, and so I just fiddled with the nearest object at hand,” said Maddox Blow, 11, who also said a Wheat Ridge police officer came to his house.

Maddox, a student at Bell Middle School in Golden, Colorado, said he was attending online class and finished a quiz early, so he pulled up other things on his computer screen and mindlessly grabbed the Airsoft pistol in his room. His actions were caught on a recording, but a teacher didn’t notice it until hours later when she was reviewing the recorded session, according to Justin Blow, Maddox’s father.

It’s almost like he’s trying to convince himself more than convince us.
Cant be easy as a parent in this situation.

 

[WhatExit?]

Big brother is watching. Watching your kids. Sending authorities to your homes for not meeting their requirements.

Think about what’s happening. Think - is this the slippery slope? Things in this country are changing very fast and not fir the better.

WHEN do you (we) make a stand? When do we not accept what is being forced on us and our children?!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Making up shit makes your arguments meaningless.

“I was just fiddling with it because I was bored, and so I just fiddled with the nearest object at hand,” said Maddox Blow, 11, who also said a Wheat Ridge police officer came to his house.

Maddox, a student at Bell Middle School in Golden, Colorado, said he was attending online class and finished a quiz early, so he pulled up other things on his computer screen and mindlessly grabbed the Airsoft pistol in his room. His actions were caught on a recording, but a teacher didn’t notice it until hours later when she was reviewing the recorded session, according to Justin Blow, Maddox’s father.

The brandishing quote is not even in a context relating to the kid.. that was a response to Monkeyswrench.

Nothing I said was in accurate. The kid is on video, in class, “playing” with an airsoft gun.

Dumb move on all fronts. We all did dumb shit when we were 11.

The article also said the kid cried when the cops showed up and worried they would do something to his family. Do you believe that hyperbolic crap too?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It’s almost like he’s trying to convince himself more than convince us.
Cant be easy as a parent in this situation.

I’m not convincing anyone of anything. If you guys think all children are being indoctrinated, and mind controlled, and it is so through and complete that everyone is under it’s influence and incapable independent thoughts or actions, and that somehow it’s the school districts (lol) are the masterminds behind all of this you have 2 choices.

1. “Rise up” right now and go into the streets to set things right and assinate all educators.

2. Just spend every dollar you have on fast cars, boats women and alcohol and in 18 months we will all be dead anyway one way or another so it won’t matter.

If you are that paranoid that you are going to spend your day listening to your kids teleconference because they may be under mind control via a teleconference app, but then will drop them off at school in a month when it goes back into in person session where they somehow won’t be mind controlled in person... I’m not sure where to begin.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Big brother is watching. Watching your kids. Sending authorities to your homes for not meeting their requirements.

Think about what’s happening. Think is this the slippery slope? Things in this country are changing very fast and not fir the better.

WHEN do you (we) make a stand? When do we not accept what is being forced on us and our children?!!

Then homeschool them yourself?

 

[rrrr]

Nothing I said was in accurate. The kid is on video, in class, “playing” with an airsoft gun.

But that's not the same as "pos[ing] for pictures", is it?

 

[brgrcru]

I think american flags. Pro first and forsure second amendment , Gadsden flags, MAGA banners. trump flags and banners , all lives matter , maybe a few pictures of some bikini clad women posters . would be put up all over the walls . In my kids at home distant class rooms .
Just saying.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

But that's not the same as "pos[ing] for pictures", is it?

At the end of the day it does not matter.. the net result is the same. The kid had an airsoft gun in his hand and video was being recorded. Maybe he was smiling for the camera, maybe he wasn’t.

If you take away the airsoft gun, or the camera from the situation, there is no issue at all.

 

[rrrr]

At the end of the day it does not matter..

I guess it doesn't matter if you don't care that your posts aren't factual.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I guess it doesn't matter if you don't care that your posts aren't factual.

Well if you want to call an 11 year old that by his own admission is afraid of the cops and that by his own admission can’t keep his fidgety hands off of anything in front of him at any given moment, sure in this instance, I don’t care.

If he was just fidgeting with the airsoft gun why is he so afraid of what the police are going to do to his family?

 

[was thatguy]

I’m not convincing anyone of anything. If you guys think all children are being indoctrinated, and mind controlled, and it is so through and complete that everyone is under it’s influence and incapable independent thoughts or actions, and that somehow it’s the school districts (lol) are the masterminds behind all of this you have 2 choices.

1. “Rise up” right now and go into the streets to set things right and assinate all educators.

2. Just spend every dollar you have on fast cars, boats women and alcohol and in 18 months we will all be dead anyway one way or another so it won’t matter.

If you are that paranoid that you are going to spend your day listening to your kids teleconference because they may be under mind control via a teleconference app, but then will drop them off at school in a month when it goes back into in person session where they somehow won’t be mind controlled in person... I’m not sure where to begin.

The fact that it’s happening at all is my problem.
I’m not going to pick pepper out of fly shit.

Im not saying to listen to your kids teleconference, I’m saying the entire fucking premise is absurd.

 

[RiverDave]

Well if you want to call an 11 year old that by his own admission is afraid of the cops and that by his own admission can’t keep his fidgety hands off of anything in front of him at any given moment, sure in this instance, I don’t care.

If he was just fidgeting with the airsoft gun why is he so afraid of what the police are going to do to his family?

Because he’s 11?

 

[was thatguy]

At the end of the day it does not matter.. the net result is the same. The kid had an airsoft gun in his hand and video was being recorded. Maybe he was smiling for the camera, maybe he wasn’t.

If you take away the airsoft gun, or the camera from the situation, there is no issue at all.

Holy fucking shit.

Do you really not see the implications here?
Damn.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Holy fucking shit.

Do you really not see the implications here?
Damn.

People call the cops on unattended kids at the park in some places.

I’m well aware of the implications. I’m not in a position where this is the hill I want to die on for my freedom.

The fucking kid is supposed to be in class. Not looking at porn, not playing with air soft guns, not being in a screaming match with his parents, not blaring music.

if you don’t want your kids in distance learning, home school them.

If someone was beating their kid and the teacher saw it and reported it, that would be a good thing. The pendulum swings both ways.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Because he’s 11?

Why was the kid so scared of the cops doing a welfare check? Has he been in trouble before?

Cops don’t break down front doors with guns drawn to do welfare checks.

We all don’t believe the media, I’m saying there is likely something more to the story.

Everyone wants to talk about a teacher reviewing the video and seeing something questionable like we are living in East Germany here and she sent in the Stasi to make the parents disappear. I’ve repeatedly said it was an overreaction, and if my kid got suspended for 4 days over it I’d take him to the river to think things over. This was a CYA move from the school and district, period.

That said I also wouldn't advise my kid to play with a gun of any kind on a camera during a class for school. It is a dumb way to being problems and drama to your doorstep.

Didn’t any of you ever see The beginning of Die Hard With a Vengence? Just because can does not mean you should.

 

[spectra3279]

There is a certain level of responsibility that should be maintained even with virtual school, doesn't matter if its the teacher or student. I would not want my child seeing the teachers sex toys in the back round if they were teaching from home either or anything else inappropriate. Flashing a gun or toy gun around is not appropriate during online classes. At least in my opinion.

Its pretend school. So why can't they pretend he wasn't holding an airport gun?

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[was thatguy]

How easily we accept actual video intrusion.

It’s unbelievable.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How easily we accept actual video intrusion.

It’s unbelievable.

It is a choice. All the parents are on video intrusion calls all day long. And you know what? Most everyone is fine with it and does not want to go back to the office.

I’ll take the video intrusion, freedom of my time and better work life balance over life intrusion sitting in an office. I had great autonomy at my last job, and built a separate office in my backyard to work out of and limit any intrusion into my personal life.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Its pretend school. So why can't they pretend he wasn't holding an airport gun?

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Because school districts get sued and don’t want to pay out.

 

[was thatguy]

It is a choice. All the parents are on video intrusion calls all day long. And you know what? Most everyone is fine with it and does not want to go back to the office.

I’ll take the video intrusion, freedom of my time and better work life balance over life intrusion sitting in an office. I had great autonomy at my last job, and built a separate office in my backyard to work out of and limit any intrusion into my personal life.

They called the fucking cops on an 11 year old kid with a damned air soft toy gun in his own room in his own home...admittedly knowing it was an air soft toy.

sorry, there is nothing that you can say that justifies that to me...nothing.
What will you say when they don’t like something else they see in your kids room?

Nope, I’m not quite ready for 2112 just yet.

Hell, I’m still floored that parents are allowing other adults to digitally surveil their children in their bedrooms while agreeing to stay out of the room in their own homes...and ALL under false pretense.
That’s what it really boils down to regardless of whatever the premise is.

 

[spectra3279]

Because school districts get sued and don’t want to pay out.

How can they be sued when there is no kids in school? The teachers aren't really there and neither are the students?

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[LargeOrangeFont]

They called the fucking cops on an 11 year old kid with a damned air soft toy gun in his own room in his own home...admittedly knowing it was an air soft toy.

sorry, there is nothing that you can say that justifies that to me...nothing.
What will you say when they don’t like something else they see in your kids room?

Nope, I’m not quite ready for 2112 just yet.

It was a welfare check. Again, home school your kid if you don’t want these problems.

Columbine is 15 miles from Golden CO... they might be a little more sensitive to this stuff there, you think?

This is the world we live in. We have a few drugged up teenagers that commit a few horrible acts and then country and the media tells us that school shootings are the biggest problem we have to deal with.

See Something, Say Something, and wear you mask remember.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How can they be sued when there is no kids in school? The teachers aren't really there and neither are the students?

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If that kid exhibited these problems consistently and hurts someone in years to come and the. it was proven that nothing was done, you bet the school district would be sued.

 

[was thatguy]

OK...who is this really, and what have you done with LOF?

 

[was thatguy]

It was a welfare check. Again, home school your kid if you don’t want these problems.

Columbine is 15 miles from Golden CO... they might be a little more sensitive to this stuff there, you think?

This is the world we live in. We have a few drugged up teenagers that commit a few horrible acts and then country and the media tells us that school shootings are the biggest problem we have to deal with.

See Something, Say Something, and wear you mask remember.

Well, they’ll certainly be watching for any behavioral detours in their daily surveillance of your house.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Well, they’ll certainly be watching for any behavioral detours in their daily surveillance of your house.

I’ll take my chances. I don’t think the 25 year career professional educator that my wife has known personally for 3+ years and is now teaching my child was freshly trained by the NSA last summer in behavioral surveillance and is gathering intelligence on the movements of my daughters daily arrangement of stuffed animals.

In order to mitigate that risk I just won’t have my kid do anything they aren’t supposed to while in virtual classes that might put her on the radar for reprogramming.

 

[WhatExit?]

Then homeschool them yourself?

Good advice Yeah, if you don't like what your tax dollars are doing in the public schools let them use your tax dollars how they want while you home school your kids. You don't get what's wrong with that picture?

 

[Andy B.]

Kids should be in school period problem solved fuck the dems and this made up crap there is a treatment thank the liberal media for killing 100,000's of people bottom line!!!!!

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Why was the kid so scared of the cops doing a welfare check? Has he been in trouble before?

Cops don’t break down front doors with guns drawn to do welfare checks.

We all don’t believe the media, I’m saying there is likely something more to the story.

Everyone wants to talk about a teacher reviewing the video and seeing something questionable like we are living in East Germany here and she sent in the Stasi to make the parents disappear. I’ve repeatedly said it was an overreaction, and if my kid got suspended for 4 days over it I’d take him to the river to think things over. This was a CYA move from the school and district, period.

That said I also wouldn't advise my kid to play with a gun of any kind on a camera during a class for school. It is a dumb way to being problems and drama to your doorstep.

Didn’t any of you ever see The beginning of Die Hard With a Vengence? Just because can does not mean you should.

Like RD Said, causes hes 11 and the cops came to his door and asked to see him. Thats what they do at a wellcheck. It would scare the hell out of most young kids. Was the fact that the teacher could tell it was a toy relayed all the way down to the officers? that would definitely change their demeanor when approaching the house for the check and how they are acting.

Bottom line is you do not know what was said, the actions of the officers, their temperment, what exactly they were told coming to the house and all that to be able to judge that kid for being scared in that situation. I would have been terrified if cops showed up at my door at that age asking to see me and I was a good kid that loved cops since my uncle was one and we had a lot of LEO friends. But hey, you just stand up there on your high horse with your blinders on and preach to us "uninformed" about how all this is normal and the kid was absolutely in the wrong and how this is all ok.

 

[was thatguy]

Could have been worse...kid could have picked up a bible or something REALLY scary!
Can you imagine the outrage??
Maybe next time.

 

[River Runnin]

The brandishing quote is not even in a context relating to the kid.. that was a response to Monkeyswrench.

Nothing I said was in accurate. The kid is on video, in class, “playing” with an airsoft gun.

Dumb move on all fronts. We all did dumb shit when we were 11.

The article also said the kid cried when the cops showed up and worried they would do something to his family. Do you believe that hyperbolic crap too?

Bull Fuck'n Shit!! ...He in his HOME!! .... And that stupid DUNT should be the one arrested for a false 911, or report!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Like RD Said, causes hes 11 and the cops came to his door and asked to see him. Thats what they do at a wellcheck. It would scare the hell out of most young kids. Was the fact that the teacher could tell it was a toy relayed all the way down to the officers? that would definitely change their demeanor when approaching the house for the check and how they are acting.

Bottom line is you do not know what was said, the actions of the officers, their temperment, what exactly they were told coming to the house and all that to be able to judge that kid for being scared in that situation. I would have been terrified if cops showed up at my door at that age asking to see me and I was a good kid that loved cops since my uncle was one and we had a lot of LEO friends. But hey, you just stand up there on your high horse with your blinders on and preach to us "uninformed" about how all this is normal and the kid was absolutely in the wrong and how this is all ok.

Reading comprehension owns you today bud. Where did I say the cop coming to the house was ok? I’ll wait...

The parents admit the kid was in the wrong, it is in the article, and I agree with the parents. So I guess the kids parents and I are both on a “high horse”. the kid should have been focused on school and not fucking with toy guns.

You don’t know the temperament of the cops or anything about the situation either. The article says the kid got a suspension, not arrested.

This was a CYA move by the school. If you don’t like it, home school your kids, or pull them out of school. Go ahead and “rise up” with your gun down at the school district to change the rules and reporting practices, see how far that gets you.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Bull Fuck'n Shit!! ...He in his HOME!! .... And that stupid DUNT should be the one arrested for a false 911, or report!

Schools don’t view it that way. You are on camera with a bunch of other kids. You are bringing 20 some odd kids and a teacher into your home in a school setting. @was thatguy is right, if you can’t handle it, don’t participate. Would you walk naked in front of the camera your kid is on with their schoolmates able to see you? I didn’t think so. If you did, expect a visit from the cops.

I don’t want my daughter seeing a random naked adult. I’m very pro gun and would not want her seeing a kid screwing around with a gun either.

 

[jetboatperformance]

One of the most REDICULOUS "knee jerk" overeactions in recent history.....

 

[Mr. C]

The parents admit the kid was in the wrong, it is in the article, and I agree with the parents. So I guess the kids parents and I are both on a “high horse”. the kid should have been focused on school and not fucking with toy guns.

Probably trying to say anything to appease these people and this over reaction that was happening. screw the school and what they did. Kid just got 5 extra days of vacation I hope enjoys them by shooting his air soft gun.

I wonder how a poster or two would go over in the background.

 

[was thatguy]

This is big brother shit of the highest order.
Passing it off as simply poor “classroom” behavior is a submission of convenience.
Remember one thing. Sharks don’t swim backwards...ever.

Saying that it’s a two way street because big brother might also stop some sort of child abuse is ludicrous.
There is no “2 way” street.

Arguing the details is submission plain and simple.
An 11 year old boy got the cops called on him for playing with a popular toy gun in his room at his house in a moment of boredom.
And the teacher called the cops.

My kids are grown, I personally don’t have to deal with this and feel for every parent that does have to deal with it.
Ive doubted the reasoning behind this insanity since about April.
There is no earthly medical reason why kids are not in school, at school.
This incident solidifies my doubts and bothers me deeply.

If it WAS my kid and my house, that computer would be in the dumpster, my lawyer would be filing anything and everything even remotely applicable to hold their fucking feet to the fire, and it would be the last time ANY government entity had my permission to spy on my kids period.