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@RiverDiva my sister inlaw just retired from UMC in Vegas. They have a trauma.center and that's where she was a charge nurse.

Do you want me to reach out?
 

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@RiverDiva my sister inlaw just retired from UMC in Vegas. They have a trauma.center and that's where she was a charge nurse.

Do you want me to reach out?
Can you message me your contact #? I’ll introduce you to the advocate via text. Trying to explore all the options.
 

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This... @RiverDave @RiverDiva my dad was a hospital administrator for most of his career. A shot across the bow, or the threat of a possible malpractice lawsuit will shake shit up quickly.

Hopefully you guys get him out of there.
This is wrong on so many levels. As an attorney for many years and my step dad was a CEO of a hospital and my father was a chief of staff, I see only negatives to this avenue. Once your attorney becomes involved, everyone goes into immediate CYA mode. In malpractice insurance coverage there are mandatory reporting protocols of a possible malpractice claim. Now, no one at the hospital will talk to you or help you. This will be the first directive from the hospitals attorneys. I can also guarantee you that a birdy will whisper into the ear of any receiving hospital, Doctor or administrator that there is now these legal issues, notwithstanding the usual legal issues that are always present. Then good luck with anyone taking in a malpractice claim.

Just me thoughts, YMMV
Cheers, Steve
 

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This is wrong on so many levels. As an attorney for many years and my step dad was a CEO of a hospital and my father was a chief of staff, I see only negatives to this avenue. Once your attorney becomes involved, everyone goes into immediate CYA mode. In malpractice insurance coverage there are mandatory reporting protocols of a possible malpractice claim. Now, no one at the hospital will talk to you or help you. This will be the first directive from the hospitals attorneys. I can also guarantee you that a birdy will whisper into the ear of any receiving hospital, Doctor or administrator that there is now these legal issues, notwithstanding the usual legal issues that are always present. Then good luck with anyone taking in a malpractice claim.

Just me thoughts, YMMV
Cheers, Steve
^^This^^
 

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This is wrong on so many levels. As an attorney for many years and my step dad was a CEO of a hospital and my father was a chief of staff, I see only negatives to this avenue. Once your attorney becomes involved, everyone goes into immediate CYA mode. In malpractice insurance coverage there are mandatory reporting protocols of a possible malpractice claim. Now, no one at the hospital will talk to you or help you. This will be the first directive from the hospitals attorneys. I can also guarantee you that a birdy will whisper into the ear of any receiving hospital, Doctor or administrator that there is now these legal issues, notwithstanding the usual legal issues that are always present. Then good luck with anyone taking in a malpractice claim.

Just me thoughts, YMMV
Cheers, Steve
Pretty sure all they want to do is get him to where he needs to be. No attorneys are involved.
 

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My wife says if he is not stable they do not have to release him/her. Have you reached out to his/her medical insurance and tell them you need a case manager immediately also his/her primary doctor and let them know he/she is critical and receiving inadequate care and needs a peer-to-peer review on an urgent basis. Using these resources hopefully will get things resolved. Someone needs to get in touch with his/her employer and let HR know what's going on and then HR should get ahold of the REP ant the insurance carrier.
 

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My wife says if he is not stable they do not have to release him/her. Have you reached out to his/her medical insurance and tell them you need a case manager immediately also his/her primary doctor and let them know he/she is critical and receiving inadequate care and needs a peer-to-peer review on an urgent basis. Using these resources hopefully will get things resolved. Someone needs to get in touch with his/her employer and let HR know what's going on and then HR should get ahold of the REP ant the insurance carrier.
He is a self employed/retired individual. Medicare with a good supplement. Local to Havasu. I will pass this info on.
 

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This is wrong on so many levels. As an attorney for many years and my step dad was a CEO of a hospital and my father was a chief of staff, I see only negatives to this avenue. Once your attorney becomes involved, everyone goes into immediate CYA mode. In malpractice insurance coverage there are mandatory reporting protocols of a possible malpractice claim. Now, no one at the hospital will talk to you or help you. This will be the first directive from the hospitals attorneys. I can also guarantee you that a birdy will whisper into the ear of any receiving hospital, Doctor or administrator that there is now these legal issues, notwithstanding the usual legal issues that are always present. Then good luck with anyone taking in a malpractice claim.

Just me thoughts, YMMV
Cheers, Steve
You are correct...things sound pretty desperate though. You would know better than most about the implications. I wondered if he isn't stable for transport as that would be a reason for a lot of resistance.
 

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I think they have already entered CYA mode. The chief meeting with his assigned doctor didn’t progress and now he’s on a strong antibiotic for an infection from a port that was left in too long. Does anyone have advice for an independent doctor that could come in and assess?
 

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Who is the medical carrier for the supplemental
 

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Following and sending good thoughts his way. Wish there was something more I could to than that.
 

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I think they have already entered CYA mode. The chief meeting with his assigned doctor didn’t progress and now he’s on a strong antibiotic for an infection from a port that was left in too long. Does anyone have advice for an independent doctor that could come in and assess?
Potential thoughts, is there a different doctor that comes on for night shift that might be better and willing to initiate a referral?
 

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My wife says if he is not stable they do not have to release him/her. Have you reached out to his/her medical insurance and tell them you need a case manager immediately also his/her primary doctor and let them know he/she is critical and receiving inadequate care and needs a peer-to-peer review on an urgent basis. Using these resources hopefully will get things resolved. Someone needs to get in touch with his/her employer and let HR know what's going on and then HR should get ahold of the REP ant the insurance carrier.
He is a self employed/retired individual. Medicare with a good supplement. Local to Havasu. I will pass this info on.
This too. My SIL said you need the case anger involved ASAP to get him moved
 

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Someone needs to get ahold of first choice and tell them they need trama hospital
 

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Just got an agreement from his Physician for a move if the accepting hospital has a higher level of care available. He believes he has a chance if his care can be elevated. Now we just need that magical hospital that’s going to say yes!
What happened to arraignments to get him to Mayo in phx?


I’ve been aware of this whole shitshow since it started weeks ago.

If anyone can do something about this please help my friend. Please.
 

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entire thread made me nauseated. HR made errors in my moms care and did not transfer until my Dad went in and demanded, like made a scene. She flew to St Josephs in Phoenix where she passed away. St Josephs confirmed HR errors and it was too late to reverse anything.
I found out the transfer was happening and drove 5 hours. Pulled in the lot to see the copter blades turning and mom being pushed across the lot. I then headed to Phoenix...

sounds like your friend (our RDP mate) is being moved. Hoping for the best

I just realized this post sounds horrible and hit edit to add this. Sorry to be bad news, not the intent.

Is the challenge now hospital XYZ taking another patient?
 

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Positive energy headed his way.
 

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Prayers sent your way. Hope it all works out.


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I don’t understand why there is such resistance in another hospital taking him? I assume HR has spoken to other hospitals about his transfer? Do the other hospitals believe HR is doing the right thing by this man and feel they can’t help him further at another hospital?
 

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What happened to arraignments to get him to Mayo in phx?


I’ve been aware of this whole shitshow since it started weeks ago.

If anyone can do something about this please help my friend. Please.
dam it, your post allowed me to figure out who it was :(
Hoping for the best for GR and his family.

I wonder if Steve Skater368 has any contacts at PHX hospitals and could help on that end. Will ping Steve via text
 
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I don’t understand why there is such resistance in another hospital taking him? I assume HR has spoken to other hospitals about his transfer? Do the other hospitals believe HR is doing the right thing by this man and feel they can’t help him further at another hospital?
It’s interesting. The hospital will start to call other hospitals to see if they can be of better care. Not ‘hey we are sending him, be ready’. The receiving hosp has to review all the facts and current status. This takes forever. If Phoenix says we can’t do better than what HR is doing then it’s a no go. Or Vegas etc.
If Phoenix or Vegas says yes, we have machine x or we have doc x that reviewed it and can help then it’s on. But….,the transfer takes a very long time. Prep, stability, receiving hosp prep and ready. It not like pulling up to the ER in you car and bam your in.
plus…..the legal portion.
in my moms case they simply waited to long to make the calls. From the time my dad raised hell to getting to Phoenix was 12 hours or more.

If it’s a broken bone or non life threatening at time of injury or illness then drive right by HR. 2 or 3 more hours of pain could keep you alive. That’s the lesson we learned.

great staff. Amazing humans there. Just not a high level facility. I can go on and you would shit…. But wrong thread, wrong time

my guess is the calls are made and reviews are happening. Let’s hope he is on his way at day light
 

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dam it, your post allowed me to figure out who it was :(
Hoping for the best for GR and his family.

I wonder if Steve Skater368 has any contacts at PHX hospitals and could help on that end. Will ping Steve via text
I hadn’t seen any activity at his building on Acoma in a little while, when Dave said some thing a while back I kind of had a feeling, was hoping I was wrong.🙁
 

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…Back in the 60s there was a term going around called the common mind… Well the common mind does exist in a very strong way on RDP so with everybody thinking and feeling positive energy towards this gentleman …There’s a pretty good chance he will feel it..,
… sending good energy his way👍
 

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It’s interesting. The hospital will start to call other hospitals to see if they can be of better care. Not ‘hey we are sending him, be ready’. The receiving hosp has to review all the facts and current status. This takes forever. If Phoenix says we can’t do better than what HR is doing then it’s a no go. Or Vegas etc.
If Phoenix or Vegas says yes, we have machine x or we have doc x that reviewed it and can help then it’s on. But….,the transfer takes a very long time. Prep, stability, receiving hosp prep and ready. It not like pulling up to the ER in you car and bam your in.
plus…..the legal portion.
in my moms case they simply waited to long to make the calls. From the time my dad raised hell to getting to Phoenix was 12 hours or more.

If it’s a broken bone or non life threatening at time of injury or illness then drive right by HR. 2 or 3 more hours of pain could keep you alive. That’s the lesson we learned.

great staff. Amazing humans there. Just not a high level facility. I can go on and you would shit…. But wrong thread, wrong time

my guess is the calls are made and reviews are happening. Let’s hope he is on his way at day light
I believe you are correct and this is sort of what I assumed was probably going on.

Hoping he turns the corner in the right direction soon.
 

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Best to Roy and the family. Such a sad series of events.
 

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It’s interesting. The hospital will start to call other hospitals to see if they can be of better care. Not ‘hey we are sending him, be ready’. The receiving hosp has to review all the facts and current status. This takes forever. If Phoenix says we can’t do better than what HR is doing then it’s a no go. Or Vegas etc.
If Phoenix or Vegas says yes, we have machine x or we have doc x that reviewed it and can help then it’s on. But….,the transfer takes a very long time. Prep, stability, receiving hosp prep and ready. It not like pulling up to the ER in you car and bam your in.
plus…..the legal portion.
in my moms case they simply waited to long to make the calls. From the time my dad raised hell to getting to Phoenix was 12 hours or more.

If it’s a broken bone or non life threatening at time of injury or illness then drive right by HR. 2 or 3 more hours of pain could keep you alive. That’s the lesson we learned.

great staff. Amazing humans there. Just not a high level facility. I can go on and you would shit…. But wrong thread, wrong time

my guess is the calls are made and reviews are happening. Let’s hope he is on his way at day light
This happened with my step mother a few years back. A problem Havasu could not diagnose. The hospital that finally said yes to the transfer was in Loma Linda.
 

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entire thread made me nauseated. HR made errors in my moms care and did not transfer until my Dad went in and demanded, like made a scene. She flew to St Josephs in Phoenix where she passed away. St Josephs confirmed HR errors and it was too late to reverse anything.
I found out the transfer was happening and drove 5 hours. Pulled in the lot to see the copter blades turning and mom being pushed across the lot. I then headed to Phoenix...

sounds like your friend (our RDP mate) is being moved. Hoping for the best

I just realized this post sounds horrible and hit edit to add this. Sorry to be bad news, not the intent.

Is the challenge now hospital XYZ taking another patient?
The paramedics here in Lake Havasu have a saying: "If you go down, get out of town"......this for a reason. I have three personal HRMC ER horror stories.
 

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This sucks.
Talked to a few friends in medical field in PHX and SD over the last day - all said process sucks and it is difficult.
Best advise they gave = make sure you have a primary or specialist DR in PHX or Vegas that you see often. That way if you get put into this situation, you have a DR in another city that can help.

so if Roy has seen any Dr in Vegas or PHX for some reason - these are the folks that need to be called today
 

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I have friend that was in almost the exact same situation. They finally got him transfered to Scripts. Nobody thought he would .make it.

He got a standing ovation from the staff on the day he left. Recovery took awhile, but he is fine today.

That's all I got. Hopefully he gets into better hands soon!!

Best wishes to everyone involved.

🙏
 
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