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You can either get with the times or be left behind...
 

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My two older ones(14 and 12) have "not so" smart phones. Old, cheap, but some ability. They are checked randomly, and charged on the kitchen counter. No social media for either. Am I too strict on my "Urban Amish" theory? Time will tell.

At breakfast this morning, my youngest (2nd grade) starts talking about a girl in her class that has Facebook, Snapchat, another social media app (I can't recall the name) on her phone. Really? Why would a 2nd grader possibly need these apps? We told our kids, you won't get a smartphone cell phone until high school...maybe. If a flip phone is still around, they'll get that style. Will it hold, I have no idea, but that's my thinking at this point. I think you're fine. I mean, do these social media apps really enrich a person's life. IMO, no.
 

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Sorry, I meant the pic...but even a running Bayliner would be 1up for me...Scattered the Alpha, and backup is a 30yo jet with 80s interior.

Cool, you don't have to watch your fuckin' mouth:D

The main reason I asked this question here is pretty simple. RDP has a diverse group, a large socioeconomic background. There are people old enough to be my parents, as well as those young enough to be my kids. There are those here who could write one check to cover everything I own, and those just starting out. Not too many places like that I have found in life. People that grew up differently, be it era or financial means, may see things different. Sometimes hearing other's opinions may open your eyes to other points of view. I read up a few posts about not trying to change the world, but worrying about your own home. I agree. I do my best to do right by my kids, but the long game is tough. Playing it by ear. My two older ones(14 and 12) have "not so" smart phones. Old, cheap, but some ability. They are checked randomly, and charged on the kitchen counter. No social media for either. Am I too strict on my "Urban Amish" theory? Time will tell. Yes, I'm giving my daughter a truck next week for her birthday. It's a 30yo Chevy, needs paint and interior. She'll help me sand if she wants it shiny. If she keeps her 4.0 in her classes, I'll cover insurance. She's in second semester calculus at the community college as a sophomore in high school, I think it's a fair trade.

Mr Monkey,
Most of threads on this forum, you and I agree...
When it comes to raising your family, I agree with your mentality.. There is no such thing as a perfect mom or dad. There is always a fine balance of what you need to do for your kids, and what may be overboard. Every kid is different and have to be raised different to get them to be the best they can be... there is not one strategy for all kids.

My advice,
Reward them when they are doing good, Reward might just be a hug, and high 5 stating you love the fact they are succeeding.. or it could be 30 year old truck... make a habit of rewarding them...

When they are close to messing up, or have messed up... I have had luck with just explaining where life will take them if they make poor decision.s. Do they want to flip burgers the rest of their life, or have a better life and buy a boat some day.. type of conversations. But not all kids respond to discussions, some need a bit more persuading... WHen the rest of there life is at stake, then do what you need to do, to get them on the right track. Because no one knows your kids better than you.

Lastly, spend as much quality time as you can with them. Every family defines Quality differently.. make sure its Quality time in the kids eyes... What am I saying.. let say you daughter hates going to professional base ball games, but thats your definition of Quality time... well you might want to find something that interests her... Fortunately for me, my daughter loved riding dirtbikes in the desert... yeah me...

Dont ever be afraid to question yourself about the way you need to respond to situation involving your kids... Do your best to take the time and think it over, and pre plan the conversation, before you have it. That will most likely prevent any tempers from flaring...

Thats my advice, not that you need it or asked for it....

BTW... great job on kids so far... you obviously have there best interests in mind... That what they will eventually see.
 
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just look at RD's place. some answers will be answered.
trucks that need to ride and have all the amenities of a luxury car.
loud pipes are a no, no
boats big enough to take to the ocean, but rather be in havazoo
guys buying toons.
:p:D
 

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I have no idea but my kids are not going to be that. My brother's now X fiance who is 34 yrs old and really a full blown millennial moved out here to get married and completely fell apart recently. I got her a job that covered all but 80$ a month for healthcare that was a really good plan and she lost her shit multiple times over the price etc. She went skiing with my daughters and started to cry and throw a fit in the parking lot, my 15 year old daughter was shaking her head and than announced "we have a princess on our hands". I could give you several examples but it was incredible to watch the breakdown. My brother called it off and when I told my daughter she said she isn't tough enough.
So now you can cuss freely again!!! Shit! Fuck! Dammit!!!
 

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Mr Monkey,
Most of threads on this forum, you and I agree...
When it comes to raising your family, I agree with your mentality.. There is no such thing as a perfect mom or dad. There is always a fine balance of what you need to do for your kids, and what may be overboard. Every kid is different and have to be raised different to get them to be the best they can be... there is not one strategy for all kids.

My advice,
Reward them when they are doing good, Reward might just be a hug, and high 5 stating you love the fact they are succeeding.. or it could be 30 year old truck... make a habit of rewarding them...

When they are close to messing up, or have messed up... I have had luck with just explaining where life will take them if they make poor decision.s. Do they want to flip burgers the rest of their life, or have a better life and buy a boat some day.. type of conversations. But not kids respond to discussions, some need a bit more persuading... WHen the rest of there life is at stake, then do you need to do, to get them on the right track. Because no one knows your kids better than you.

Lastly, spend as much quality time as you can with them. Every family defines Quality differently.. make sure its Quality time in the kids eyes... What am I saying.. let say you daughter hates going to professional base ball games, but thats your definition of Quality time... well you might want to find something that interests her... Fortunately for me, my daughter loved riding dirtbikes in the desert... yeah me...

Dont ever be afraid to question yourself about the way you need to respond to situation involving your kids... Think about.. .do your best to take the time, and pre plan the conversation, before you have it. That will most likely prevent any tempers from flaring...

Thats my advice, nat that you need it or asked for it.... BTW... great job on kids so far... you obviously have there best interests in mind... That what they will eventually see.
Some things are a bit odd with kids. I think I talked with T&Y about this: You couldn't have been a saint your whole life, and have a chance at raising kids. You have to know both sides of the fence. As far as the quality time, pretty easy with the three kids. We have hiking close, and they like the forest. Big stuff will always be river stuff, and oddly anything with monster trucks...I tried, but all three kids prefer trucks to drag racing:( The three kids are very different in terms of punishment. We have taken books from "Nerd Girl", so far most effective. Boys have received punishments ranging from raking the horse arena, to filling multiple 5g buckets with rocks from the yard (10ac, rocks hurt the mower). Learned early on, they outgrew spanking quick...my hand couldn't handle it.
 

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Its a group of things that all concatenate.

No discipline parenting, and school - some kids need an ass burning. I only needed one but deserved it.
Social media at too early an age. - its simply fantasy they (no one really) cant live up to.
"You are a special" illusion- ribbons for 9nth place and participation awards. Not only are you not special- you are behind the curve.
Ridiculous ultra liberal laws for things like allowing kids to be outside unsupervised and spanking.
Being surrounded by "outrage" culture. - newsflash no one gives a shit if you are outraged.

The list goes on......


UD
 

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Some things are a bit odd with kids. I think I talked with T&Y about this: You couldn't have been a saint your whole life, and have a chance at raising kids. You have to know both sides of the fence. As far as the quality time, pretty easy with the three kids. We have hiking close, and they like the forest. Big stuff will always be river stuff, and oddly anything with monster trucks...I tried, but all three kids prefer trucks to drag racing:( The three kids are very different in terms of punishment. We have taken books from "Nerd Girl", so far most effective. Boys have received punishments ranging from raking the horse arena, to filling multiple 5g buckets with rocks from the yard (10ac, rocks hurt the mower). Learned early on, they outgrew spanking quick...my hand couldn't handle it.

We agree on work as an appropriate tool for punishment.

That was key thing I did with my kids...
Neither have ever been grounded, never took a cell phone away, or a car...
If they screwed up, there punishment was work...
If they complained about that work, after they finished that job, I would add another to the list. And on, and on, and on... if they "forgot" to do something.. now they have two somethings. This process taught them a few key things in life, accountability, getting the job done, no excuses and more.

My daughters kryptonite was Pulling Weeds... damn that girl hated pulling weeds... the moment I figured out her kryptonite... life got alot better for me.. and she was on the straight path from then on... that still cracks me up...

My son, was extra gardening chores, or extra household chores..

But my kids never truly had any major screws up... SO I got really lucky with 2 great kids. Not all parents are as lucky as me.....

My son will turn 21 in Apr, and my daughter just turn 19.. Both in College, heads screwed on straight and on path to achieve their goals... Electrical Engineer and a Reg Nurse...
 
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Tucker on Fox has done some great monologues recently on the breakdown of the family and the rise of socialism. I think it relates. Our system is broken. Sloth and victimhood is rewarded while self reliance and independence is discouraged in society. Saying goes if you want more of something subsidize it, want less of it, tax it. Kids out of wedlock, broken homes, uncountable people are a dime a dozen. Take a look. It has some politics. But the root cause of our plight is from politicians.

 

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Interesting thread topic and one I find myself pondering all the time.. I too use the term "pussification" of America, but if we dig deeper that's really not what it is.. It isn't that these people are pussies (although a lot are by the old definition). Some of these people are incredibly passionate about their beliefs, about their hobbies, and would just assume die than give one up, or listen to a different point of view? I'm talking everything from Politics to video games here..

It's something grossly wrong with how they are wired. At the end of the day logic is still logic and things are either going to add up or they won't. Many of these people clearly support / believe things that quite simply CAN NOT add up? It goes against common sense, the way of the world, basic math, etc.. Yet they will have an absolute melt down if you try to even have a rationale discussion with them about any of it?

You can see various examples all over the place of this where they are often "eating their own" now, because one may not have completely submitted to the brain washing and will so much as ask a question. That person is a traitor, a racist, you name it.. Anything rather than have the conversation.


What we are experiencing isn't the "pussification" of America ladies and gentlemen. What we are seeing is something entirely different. We are seeing different thought patterns being developed. An actual different "wiring" of how the brain works and processes emotion and thoughts and logic. When forced to reconcile with reality it is easier for it to go on tilt and shut down (protect itself) then it is to reprogram itself to try and cope.

You have to ask where did this come from, and how did it happen? If you are asking me it is 100% Electronics.

When I say Electronics most of you just thought of your phone, tablet etc.. That's the "new" problem. I'm sayin this whole thing started back when Television was introduced.

There has been studies done on Rats not that long ago.. They had rats multitasking and solving mazes. One set of rats was shown a simulation of a TV screen with the flashing lights, changing colors etc.. The other was the control group (normal). The ones that watched TV consistently took up to 4 times longer to solve the maze.. You ready for the scary part? The damage to their brain was PERMANENT. They were never able to recover and catch up to the control group.

RD
 

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Interesting thread topic and one I find myself pondering all the time.. I too use the term "pussification" of America, but if we dig deeper that's really not what it is.. It isn't that these people are pussies (although a lot are by the old definition). Some of these people are incredibly passionate about their beliefs, about their hobbies, and would just assume die than give one up, or listen to a different point of view? I'm talking everything from Politics to video games here..

It's something grossly wrong with how they are wired. At the end of the day logic is still logic and things are either going to add up or they won't. Many of these people clearly support / believe things that quite simply CAN NOT add up? It goes against common sense, the way of the world, basic math, etc.. Yet they will have an absolute melt down if you try to even have a rationale discussion with them about any of it?

You can see various examples all over the place of this where they are often "eating their own" now, because one may not have completely submitted to the brain washing and will so much as ask a question. That person is a traitor, a racist, you name it.. Anything rather than have the conversation.


What we are experiencing isn't the "pussification" of America ladies and gentlemen. What we are seeing is something entirely different. We are seeing different thought patterns being developed. An actual different "wiring" of how the brain works and processes emotion and thoughts and logic. When forced to reconcile with reality it is easier for it to go on tilt and shut down (protect itself) then it is to reprogram itself to try and cope.

You have to ask where did this come from, and how did it happen? If you are asking me it is 100% Electronics.

When I say Electronics most of you just thought of your phone, tablet etc.. That's the "new" problem. I'm sayin this whole thing started back when Television was introduced.

There has been studies done on Rats not that long ago.. They had rats multitasking and solving mazes. One set of rats was shown a simulation of a TV screen with the flashing lights, changing colors etc.. The other was the control group (normal). The ones that watched TV consistently took up to 4 times longer to solve the maze.. You ready for the scary part? The damage to their brain was PERMANENT. They were never able to recover and catch up to the control group.

RD


Watch the Tucker video I posted. It's not partisan. A real eye opener. I think we could have a whole thread on the subject matter Tucker covered alone.
 

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Interesting thread topic and one I find myself pondering all the time.. I too use the term "pussification" of America, but if we dig deeper that's really not what it is.. It isn't that these people are pussies (although a lot are by the old definition). Some of these people are incredibly passionate about their beliefs, about their hobbies, and would just assume die than give one up, or listen to a different point of view? I'm talking everything from Politics to video games here..

It's something grossly wrong with how they are wired. At the end of the day logic is still logic and things are either going to add up or they won't. Many of these people clearly support / believe things that quite simply CAN NOT add up? It goes against common sense, the way of the world, basic math, etc.. Yet they will have an absolute melt down if you try to even have a rationale discussion with them about any of it?

You can see various examples all over the place of this where they are often "eating their own" now, because one may not have completely submitted to the brain washing and will so much as ask a question. That person is a traitor, a racist, you name it.. Anything rather than have the conversation.


What we are experiencing isn't the "pussification" of America ladies and gentlemen. What we are seeing is something entirely different. We are seeing different thought patterns being developed. An actual different "wiring" of how the brain works and processes emotion and thoughts and logic. When forced to reconcile with reality it is easier for it to go on tilt and shut down (protect itself) then it is to reprogram itself to try and cope.

You have to ask where did this come from, and how did it happen? If you are asking me it is 100% Electronics.

When I say Electronics most of you just thought of your phone, tablet etc.. That's the "new" problem. I'm sayin this whole thing started back when Television was introduced.

There has been studies done on Rats not that long ago.. They had rats multitasking and solving mazes. One set of rats was shown a simulation of a TV screen with the flashing lights, changing colors etc.. The other was the control group (normal). The ones that watched TV consistently took up to 4 times longer to solve the maze.. You ready for the scary part? The damage to their brain was PERMANENT. They were never able to recover and catch up to the control group.

RD
I agree %100!!!!!.


You were talking about the Right correct?
 

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Dave put Grads in time out......


......on second thought, can someone go give Grads an ass whoopin!!!!


Maybe he will play nice from here on out. Maybe....
 

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To avoid repeating what has already been said numerous times already, I agree with many of the common themes suggested in this thread. I find it very sad that society has gotten to this point and I really don't see it getting any better in the future. This remains one of the reasons why I am still glad we chose not to have kids.






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To avoid repeating what has already been said numerous times already, I agree with many of the common themes suggested in this thread. I find it very sad that society has gotten to this point and I really don't see it getting any better in the future. This remains one of the reasons why I am still glad we chose not to have kids.






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You are the ones that should be having kids though.
 

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To avoid repeating what has already been said numerous times already, I agree with many of the common themes suggested in this thread. I find it very sad that society has gotten to this point and I really don't see it getting any better in the future. This remains one of the reasons why I am still glad we chose not to have kids.






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Us too!
They require more effort and money than we were/are willing to spend. And we are proud to acknowledge our lack of effort regarding having kids and have been rewarded well for our honesty too. :D
 

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Dave put Grads in time out......
Why? Because I have varying point of view? Sounds awful close minded...refer to Dave's post #65
 

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At breakfast this morning, my youngest (2nd grade) starts talking about a girl in her class that has Facebook, Snapchat, another social media app (I can't recall the name) on her phone. Really? Why would a 2nd grader possibly need these apps? We told our kids, you won't get a smartphone cell phone until high school...maybe. If a flip phone is still around, they'll get that style. Will it hold, I have no idea, but that's my thinking at this point. I think you're fine. I mean, do these social media apps really enrich a person's life. IMO, no.

Our son did not have a smart phone until high school which I think was a good thing. They will have access through other means.

Kids need to be kids.

I have family friend in SD who’s son is having a tough time coping because of social media. I had to cut a Havasu trip short in Nov becuase his wife was concerned that he was going to hurt himself. We had to drive back to take him in to be watched.
 

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Interesting thread topic and one I find myself pondering all the time.. I too use the term "pussification" of America, but if we dig deeper that's really not what it is.. It isn't that these people are pussies (although a lot are by the old definition). Some of these people are incredibly passionate about their beliefs, about their hobbies, and would just assume die than give one up, or listen to a different point of view? I'm talking everything from Politics to video games here..

It's something grossly wrong with how they are wired. At the end of the day logic is still logic and things are either going to add up or they won't. Many of these people clearly support / believe things that quite simply CAN NOT add up? It goes against common sense, the way of the world, basic math, etc.. Yet they will have an absolute melt down if you try to even have a rationale discussion with them about any of it?

You can see various examples all over the place of this where they are often "eating their own" now, because one may not have completely submitted to the brain washing and will so much as ask a question. That person is a traitor, a racist, you name it.. Anything rather than have the conversation.


What we are experiencing isn't the "pussification" of America ladies and gentlemen. What we are seeing is something entirely different. We are seeing different thought patterns being developed. An actual different "wiring" of how the brain works and processes emotion and thoughts and logic. When forced to reconcile with reality it is easier for it to go on tilt and shut down (protect itself) then it is to reprogram itself to try and cope.

You have to ask where did this come from, and how did it happen? If you are asking me it is 100% Electronics.

When I say Electronics most of you just thought of your phone, tablet etc.. That's the "new" problem. I'm sayin this whole thing started back when Television was introduced.

There has been studies done on Rats not that long ago.. They had rats multitasking and solving mazes. One set of rats was shown a simulation of a TV screen with the flashing lights, changing colors etc.. The other was the control group (normal). The ones that watched TV consistently took up to 4 times longer to solve the maze.. You ready for the scary part? The damage to their brain was PERMANENT. They were never able to recover and catch up to the control group.

RD
Without getting too philosophical, there does seem to be an evolutionary change within the American brain. Common sense is not common. The simplest tasks have been forgotten. Kids, and some parents, don't know how to change a flat. This, yet a parent will hand their four year old a 700$ phone for them to play videos or games...the four year old can navigate the phone. In a way, I can see Grads statement as true...keep up with the times (also the one where he may or may not have been hitting on me, but I digress...) I remember the mid-90s, my Mom telling me that computers were the only path to the future for someone my age. My defiant response, "Who will build the houses for the computer dorks?" Kind of weird as I face my laptop at this moment. That led to many things. My computer dork brother has sent me videos of a 3D printer adapted for concrete, building from computer generated plans. Still, a mechanic was needed. Skills are being lost daily. When computers can design, fix and build autonomously, will we be sliding towards the "Matrix"? I think our brains have in effect been rotted by tech. Our tactile feelings are replaced by our visual and emotional? We see videos posted of people blowing up for the dumbest reasons. If you're a man, dressed as a woman...good chance I may by accident say sir. I may not mean to offend you, but I damn sure won't apologize if you try yelling. I think people want to be offended so they get some form of excitement from an otherwise boring life. Is it lack of motivation, looking for a quick fix? I'd choose adrenaline anytime over drugs, but different levels? Different stimuli?
To avoid repeating what has already been said numerous times already, I agree with many of the common themes suggested in this thread. I find it very sad that society has gotten to this point and I really don't see it getting any better in the future. This remains one of the reasons why I am still glad we chose not to have kids.






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Us too!
They require more effort and money than we were/are willing to spend. And we are proud to acknowledge our lack of effort regarding having kids and have been rewarded well for our honesty too. :D
Yes, kids are a shit-ton of work. Yes, my ass would have a "Baller Deck Boat", a new truck, another race car...yes, I'd be doing okay. That said, I wouldn't change a damn thing. I hope my kids both do well in this world, and well for it. Too many other people have kids and don't care. I was the kid that my parents thought would not be suited to fatherhood. Jury's still out, but so far so good. My kids know what we have is ours, and no one else's. They know that you work for your needs, and more for your wants. That's the best I can show them, like my parents did for me. My kids have never asked me or my wife why we don't have the deck boat like their uncle's. They know where we have lived, and currently live, and the life we have. Priorities...I'll end up finding a "Baller" boat, just takes time;)
 

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This is why I have such a hard time finding a guy to date! Most of the available guys in SoCal are more concerned about their image and their social media perception. No more “men.” In my social group, all the women know how to change a tire and be handy. They married guys that seriously can’t hang a shelf or say, “I will have to shower again if I help you in the yard.” It’s just ridiculous to me and I can’t seem to just let it go and date those type of guys. When we go up to the mountains, it is usually me and my best friend Nichole in the cold snow putting on the chains. The guys just want to stay in and pay a guy $40 bucks. But, that isn’t how our dads raised either of us. They taught us how to get shit done and not always pay for it. I blame social media for sure. The perception of what you are suppose to be doing “online” makes people feel invalid or that you are in a competition to compete with a friend’s picture.
 

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This is why I have such a hard time finding a guy to date! Most of the available guys in SoCal are more concerned about their image and their social media perception. No more “men.” In my social group, all the women know how to change a tire and be handy. They married guys that seriously can’t hang a shelf or say, “I will have to shower again if I help you in the yard.” It’s just ridiculous to me and I can’t seem to just let it go and date those type of guys. When we go up to the mountains, it is usually me and my best friend Nichole in the cold snow putting on the chains. The guys just want to stay in and pay a guy $40 bucks. But, that isn’t how our dads raised either of us. They taught us how to get shit done and not always pay for it. I blame social media for sure. The perception of what you are suppose to be doing “online” makes people feel invalid or that you are in a competition to compete with a friend’s picture.

I have a story for you....So 2 weekends ago my brother and I took his than fiance and her best friend snowmobiling. It was a really cold day etc and once we got up on top of the mountain I offered to build them a fire while we went and ride, they said yes please but I could tell they didn't think I could since there was 5 feet of snow. So I said no problem I am going to drive over there and get it started ( big dead tree )...So 15 min later they come down and I have this fire built nice, keep in mind they are from Tennessee. The one gal is blown away I did it making all these comments about am I a boy scout? You would come in so handy if we were stuck, never met a guy that could do this on and on and on. After 10 min of this she than asks me " how did you even start this fire"?

I said " I dipped a tampon into my gas tank" hahahahahahaha
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This is why I have such a hard time finding a guy to date! Most of the available guys in SoCal are more concerned about their image and their social media perception. No more “men.” In my social group, all the women know how to change a tire and be handy. They married guys that seriously can’t hang a shelf or say, “I will have to shower again if I help you in the yard.” It’s just ridiculous to me and I can’t seem to just let it go and date those type of guys. When we go up to the mountains, it is usually me and my best friend Nichole in the cold snow putting on the chains. The guys just want to stay in and pay a guy $40 bucks. But, that isn’t how our dads raised either of us. They taught us how to get shit done and not always pay for it. I blame social media for sure. The perception of what you are suppose to be doing “online” makes people feel invalid or that you are in a competition to compete with a friend’s picture.
Shit, 40$ to put chains on...cold hustle, but good for people making the weekend money!

Do they even have "Farmers Only.com" people out there;)
 

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I have a story for you....So 2 weekends ago my brother and I took his than fiance and her best friend snowmobiling. It was a really cold day etc and once we got up on top of the mountain I offered to build them a fire while we went and ride, they said yes please but I could tell they didn't think I could since there was 5 feet of snow. So I said no problem I am going to drive over there and get it started ( big dead tree )...So 15 min later they come down and I have this fire built nice, keep in mind they are from Tennessee. The one gal is blown away I did it making all these comments about am I a boy scout? You would come in so handy if we were stuck, never met a guy that could do this on and on and on. After 10 min of this she than asks me " how did you even start this fire"?

I said " I dipped a tampon into my gas tank" hahahahahahaha
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Haha that made me laugh! I’ll actually remember that if I ever need a fire!

Shit, 40$ to put chains on...cold hustle, but good for people making the weekend money!

Do they even have "Farmers Only.com" people out there;)

Very good side hustle. It might have gone up too in the last year. I would say a majority of the people just pay the $40. They are quick too. I always bring a knee pad cushion, gloves, flashlight, and foldable shovel up to the mountains so I have everything I need to put the chains on comfortably. Most of the people have never practiced chains or unprepared so they get frustrated and pay.

Haha probably not. I can admit I probably give off a “I don’t need a man vibe” my dad taught me a lot, and my mom is independent. But, I really don’t need a man that uses the same beauty products as me or can’t put chains on a tire!
 

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Political Correctness and Participation trophies.

People are so afraid to hear the truth. Everything needs to be sugar coated and easier to swallow. You cant call a spade a spade anymore. Its absolutely ridiculous. Dont call anyone a fag for being a fucking fag. Has nothing to do with being gay. Dont call someone retarded for doing something retarded. Its not a slight against your kid.

Participation trophies! the beginning of the end. 2nd place is the first loser. in the world you finish second in a business deal you lost you dont get paid. You should never be rewarded for losing. We dont even keep score with little kids anymore. Everyone gets a chance to play. Not how the world works!
 

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Song pretty much nails it.

 

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This thread is overflowing with Machismo.
 
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Interesting thread topic and one I find myself pondering all the time.. I too use the term "pussification" of America, but if we dig deeper that's really not what it is.. It isn't that these people are pussies (although a lot are by the old definition). Some of these people are incredibly passionate about their beliefs, about their hobbies, and would just assume die than give one up, or listen to a different point of view? I'm talking everything from Politics to video games here..

It's something grossly wrong with how they are wired. At the end of the day logic is still logic and things are either going to add up or they won't. Many of these people clearly support / believe things that quite simply CAN NOT add up? It goes against common sense, the way of the world, basic math, etc.. Yet they will have an absolute melt down if you try to even have a rationale discussion with them about any of it?

You can see various examples all over the place of this where they are often "eating their own" now, because one may not have completely submitted to the brain washing and will so much as ask a question. That person is a traitor, a racist, you name it.. Anything rather than have the conversation.


What we are experiencing isn't the "pussification" of America ladies and gentlemen. What we are seeing is something entirely different. We are seeing different thought patterns being developed. An actual different "wiring" of how the brain works and processes emotion and thoughts and logic. When forced to reconcile with reality it is easier for it to go on tilt and shut down (protect itself) then it is to reprogram itself to try and cope.

You have to ask where did this come from, and how did it happen? If you are asking me it is 100% Electronics.

When I say Electronics most of you just thought of your phone, tablet etc.. That's the "new" problem. I'm sayin this whole thing started back when Television was introduced.

There has been studies done on Rats not that long ago.. They had rats multitasking and solving mazes. One set of rats was shown a simulation of a TV screen with the flashing lights, changing colors etc.. The other was the control group (normal). The ones that watched TV consistently took up to 4 times longer to solve the maze.. You ready for the scary part? The damage to their brain was PERMANENT. They were never able to recover and catch up to the control group.

RD

You really Have been watching a lot of TED talks lately, haven't you! Lol

I was gonna text you one the other day that was right up your alley. Got busy and forgot about it. I'll try and find it again.

To the subject at hand...

Parenting is the problem.

My wife was watching Catfished. I sat down to watch, cause it was a good one, and my daughter sat down also shortly after.

At the end, I said, what in the fuck is wrong with some people? Why would someone even do that??

My daughter turns around and says....

They werent raised right.

Parenting people. That's the problem in this country today. Everything else is just lame excuses.

If your kids are fucked up, the problem is most likely you.
 

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No one has brought it up yet and I think it plays a huge role. Broken homes. divorce, both parents working, single parent etc....
 

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No one has brought it up yet and I think it plays a huge role. Broken homes. divorce, both parents working, single parent etc....

Dude, you missed my thread... was mostly about kids raised by single moms.
 

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I agree with alot of what you guys have posted on this subject.. differ with a few comments.

I will ad one key thing..

How many young men are raised by single mothers.....???? With no father or male influence in there lives.

When those young men grow up, they are given a pass, pass along the traits of growing up with out a dad...

The last 40 years of this, has spread a mentality that has weakened the publics perception of mens "opinions". If you look at most things in politics, news, marketing, its all about women, and womens needs.... women oppression... women rights... (I believe there is alot of progress to be made on those items)... Buts mens needs, opinions are no longer have the "Value" they once had.

There are some amazing single moms out there. But they still only have a female perspective, whats missing is the male perspective...

There are alot of happily married men on this board, how many of them say that their wife agrees with every notion in there head... none... because men are men, women are women, both look at the same situation different. Thats a good thing... But men are the whipping boy to the public at the moment. Especially with the Hollywood sex scandals. Trust me, my wife tells me every day, that I just dont get it,, and alot of times I dont... I have learned alot from her, and very happy to have her in my life. My kids are prime examples of kids that grew up with in a loving Mom, Dad, 2 Kids family... Both are on path to exceed my expections.

Young fathers have to step up, be a dad... not just at the beginning,,, then entire 18-22 years...

When you have a few generations of that, you might see a change...

But thats my opinion.
Yup basically spot on to what i was thinking.
 

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I’m going to agree with RD that the so called “Pussification” is the end result of Electronics at an early adolescence, most starting with Television as an infant. I seriously also believe that this is also the cause in the serious jump in Autism rates as well. They now say that 1/100 children now suffer from this disease. 50 years ago there were only a few handfuls of Autistic kids in the entire country.

If I were starting a family today my kids would probably hate me, lol. I wouldn’t have a TV or Video Game in my home!
 

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Although I was taught to fix things, rebuild engines, weld and most of the other "manly" shit, I will never understand why some in America think that if a person can not do such "manly" things, but instead can do integration by parts, program in machine code and calculate bond duration with a pencil and paper they are a pussy?

As long as they remain responsible for themselves and others they bring into this world and can pay their own bills, I have no problem or derision for anyone who can not fix their own car, weld or do other "manly" things.
 

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Although I was taught to fix things, rebuild engines, weld and most of the other "manly" shit, I will never understand why some in America think that if a person can not do such "manly" things, but instead can do integration by parts, program in machine code and calculate bond duration with a pencil and paper they are a pussy?

As long as they remain responsible for themselves and others they bring into this world and can pay their own bills, I have no problem or derision for anyone who can not fix their own car, weld or do other "manly" things.


I don't think it has anything to do with being manly. What good would it be to teach your kid how to write code or program a CNC if that's not the field he is going into.

My wife has never wated to be a mechanic but she is better with tools than most millennials.

Teaching a child to use there hands doesn't mean they have to be a grease monkey or rebuild engines. It does teach them to not be worthless when there car breaks down at night in the middle of the dessert or how to bandage an issue at there house until the pro's arrive.

The key to life is being well diversified.
 

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Although I was taught to fix things, rebuild engines, weld and most of the other "manly" shit, I will never understand why some in America think that if a person can not do such "manly" things, but instead can do integration by parts, program in machine code and calculate bond duration with a pencil and paper they are a pussy?

As long as they remain responsible for themselves and others they bring into this world and can pay their own bills, I have no problem or derision for anyone who can not fix their own car, weld or do other "manly" things.

I don't believe its that simple.

It's the combination of lack of tangible experience (i.e. learning at an early age to do things for oneself), learning the value of hard work, being held accountable, the coddling, kids obtaining college degrees in useless topics, having no work experience as a young adult, etc.

Knowing how to fiddle with a smart phone and communicate in social media are not valued skills by most employers. So many kids I see today don't even want to drive a car at 16-18 years old. They just want everyone else to take care of them
 

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I don't think it has anything to do with being manly. What good would it be to teach your kid how to write code or program a CNC if that's not the field he is going into.

My wife has never wated to be a mechanic but she is better with tools than most millennials.

Teaching a child to use there hands doesn't mean they have to be a grease monkey or rebuild engines. It does teach them to not be worthless when there car breaks down at night in the middle of the dessert or how to bandage an issue at there house until the pro's arrive.

The key to life is being well diversified.

I get what your saying, I was just raised different.

I was raised that the key to life was much simpler and straight forward.....being responsible for yourself, anyone you bring into this world, and being able to pay your own bills. As long as you can adequately do that, the other stuff is just noise.
 

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This should spark some debate.......
There are Hunter's and Gather's...... There are Liberal's and Conservative's, Any Correlation? LOL
 

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Agree TV has allot to do with it. But why is everyone ragging on the kids. Its obvious what the problem is.......its the parents. TV and electronics became the babysitter. Its not the kids fault....its the parents....some of the very parents posting in this thread, I'm including myself if we are being honest. Also people just don't mind there business either. I think that's a big part.

The mentality of buying teenage kids new cars because they are good kids and get good grades? I've never understood rewarding behavior for something you are supposed to do. I do get that some reward can go along way but if it because an expectation now there is a problem.

My wife and I are also guilty to an extent, someone posted about a team sport that they didn't keep score, just last night my wife signed our 9 year old son up for soccer for the first time ( he has been wanting to play). I said cool, she then said how it was structured that they don't keep score its about learning the game. I was like WTF. I said get him in a regular league. She then explained her rational, which was this league is less demanding then the others i.e. less money, no volunteer work, no practices during the week, no games on multiple days during the week, shorter schedule of games etc. She said practice and games are on the same day right after each other also. She says if he likes it then lets go full force. I can understand and accept that logic.

Everyone thinks its a generation thing, but I don't, its a parent thing that other parents took notice of and did the same thing. Some good things some bad, its the parent choice, if you don't like it, mind your business, unless there is some sort of abuse going one.

There are allot of young people who feel the same way. There are good young adults out there doing great things and then there are those that aren't. The same with all other generations. Its just that social media such as this site are constantly looking at who to blame, but mostly we know who but don't want to acknowledge or accept it.

Just my two cents.
 

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The key to life is being well diversified.
I like that outlook. I'm middle age, but always trying to learn. I am currently reading a book called, "Theory of Wing Sections"...a research archive from 1949. Not to build planes, though that would be cool. More so for the strengths and stresses related to wind speed, or liquids, on structures formed. I do know how to do most, "Manly" things, but not all were learned from my father. I learned to weld from another guys dad, how to use an English wheel from another, and a power hammer from yet another. I really think some people are better suited to working with their hands. They aren't any less intelligent than a programmer or business analyst, just wired different.

I can also see truth to skidmarc's comment, and other's, that social media has just made it easier to see these things. "Liberals" was not a term I knew growing up. I knew the hippie/pothead types, but they seemed few. Maybe that's more it, it's more of a perceived onslaught than reality.

Side note...what the hell is "Catfish" about? I know it's on MTV, but I quit watching anything on there after Nitro Circus...before that, Headbanger's Ball.
 
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