When did this become evil? WTF

[Bigbore500r]

Natural Gas was a clean burning alternative energy fuel?

What the fuck did I miss?

These idiots realize that electricity comes from powerplants fired by natural gas and coal, right?

What the fuck?

This one really has me scratching my head - How did this become the next focal point to eliminate from our lives?




In a time not long ago...........

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

 

[Chili Palmer]

You must have missed the memo when Biden took over - any and all products derived from fossil fuels are now evil, no matter how clean or efficient they burn, but plastic bags (that are made with petroleum products) that we are required to pay 10 cents for at the grocery store are okay.
That is all...

 

[monkeyswrench]

If everything is electric, and most homes have smart meters, you will obey.

Your ESG will determine your freedoms.

Pretty sure all of us here are fukt!

 

[HST4ME]

Shoot them all.

 

[evantwheeler]

Humans are much easier to control when they're cold and hungry.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Humans are much easier to control when they're cold and hungry.

"They taste better cooked on a gas stove" Jeffrey Dahmer

 

[500bbc]

It's another "Look over there! Something shiny!"

 

[TimeBandit]

Combined with the 2030 ban on gas heating coming to Cali, this would f**k kitchens everywhere.

NO chef uses an electric cooktop. NONE.

 

[monkeyswrench]

With the 2030 ban on gas heating coming to Cali, this would f**k kitchens everywhere.

NO chef uses an electric cooktop. NONE.

Truck stop food is all that will be left...screw that!

 

[wzuber]

Natural Gas was a clean burning alternative energy fuel?

What the fuck did I miss?

These idiots realize that electricity comes from powerplants fired by natural gas and coal, right?

What the fuck?

This one really has me scratching my head - How did this become the next focal point to eliminate from our lives?




In a time not long ago...........


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When the fruitloops at the helm decided they need another reuse with which to fleece us of our hard earned $$$$$ and future, freedoms and independance of the commi- cuntrol.....

 

[DWC]

As with everything. Follow the money. This isn’t a new thing. It’s part of converting everything to electrical. We’re paying for new ranges, panel upgrades, etc. The less you make the more we’ll pay.

 

[Racey]

This is what some people just can't understand,

It's never enough for these libtard sheep. Their despots want to control energy, they don't care about pollution, global warming, climate change, or any of that shit. They just use those narratives as a means to their ends.

If we had cold fusion tomorrow they would find a way to tax and limit it's use.

 

[JDKRXW]

Just wait until some of these morons on city planning commitees start banning the installation of gas lines in new developments.

..... and with the ever increasing load on the power grid -- not only will you not be able to re-charge your car when you get home from work, you won't be able to cook your supper on your brand new electric range

 

[ltbaney1]

Truck stop food is all that will be left...screw that!

come on now, sometimes there is nothing better than a big chicken fried steak and home fries covered in gravy with sourdough toast at some greasy spoon hole in the wall.

 

[paradise]

If everything is electric, and most homes have smart meters, you will obey.

Your ESG will determine your freedoms.

Pretty sure all of us here are fukt!

^this
if all the cars are electric and all the appliances are electric and you control the electric grid, you control the people.

 

[monkeyswrench]

come on now, sometimes there is nothing better than a big chicken fried steak and home fries covered in gravy with sourdough toast at some greasy spoon hole in the wall.

Shoemaker's, outside of Lincoln, at 3am...good times!

 

[Bigbore500r]

As with everything. Follow the money. This isn’t a new thing. It’s part of converting everything to electrical. We’re paying for new ranges, panel upgrades, etc. The less you make the more we’ll pay.

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[Bigbore500r]

As with everything. Follow the money. This isn’t a new thing. It’s part of converting everything to electrical. We’re paying for new ranges, panel upgrades, etc. The less you make the more we’ll pay.

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I love it…reduce inflation by giving out money

 

[DWC]

I love it…reduce inflation by giving out money

Genius, pure genius.

The whole deal is poorly thought through. Even by government standards. People can’t tell if they qualify for the rebate until after they spend the cash for the most part. I’d have to change my panel and run 220 to the opposite side of the house to be able to convert. No way it’s worth it. Until…. Prices on natural gas through the roof and gas is outlawed. Hmmmmm

 

[ElAzul]

 

[DWC]

^this
if all the cars are electric and all the appliances are electric and you control the electric grid, you control the people.

Electric appliances includes water heaters. Taking hot water away is just flat out mean.

 

[Racey]

 

[monkeyswrench]

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He ain't worried about his stove. Those 4 sammich makers? Whole different story!

 

[LuauLounge]

Which way is the wind blowing?

Temporary Power Generators Now Online to Support California's Electricity Grid

Four temporary mobile emergency power generating units totaling 120 megawatts (MW) deployed by the Department of Water Resources (DWR) are online and ready to support California's energy grid in times of extreme stress on the grid.

water.ca.gov

 

[monkeyswrench]

Which way is the wind blowing?

Temporary Power Generators Now Online to Support California's Electricity Grid

Four temporary mobile emergency power generating units totaling 120 megawatts (MW) deployed by the Department of Water Resources (DWR) are online and ready to support California's energy grid in times of extreme stress on the grid.

water.ca.gov

Sure, they run on natural gas, but they "can" run on a 75% hydrogen mix...with natural gas.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

300,000 BTU

I’d be a menace to society in CA.

 

[Maw]

For a product we're developing for yachts we've built a Brown's Gas generator to serve a specific support function. Brown's gas is formed using water and electricity and produces a stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, when burned it returns back to water vapor. No reason something like this can't be built into gas cooktops, you plumb in a water line and electricity and nobody is the wiser.

That said, I actually like the Thermador induction cooktops we have in our Havasu houses. I can't really tell the difference (compared to natural gas) in cooking with them and the cleanup takes only a few second. These are not your grandparent's electric ranges of the 60's which were crap by comparison.

Flak jacket strapped on, . . .

 

[monkeyswrench]

For a product we're developing for yachts we've built a Brown's Gas generator to serve a specific support function. Brown's gas is formed using water and electricity and produces a stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, when burned it returns back to water vapor. No reason something like this can't be built into gas cooktops, you plumb in a water line and electricity and nobody is the wiser.

That said, I actually like the Thermador induction cooktops we have in our Havasu houses. I can't really tell the difference (compared to natural gas) in cooking with them and the cleanup takes only a few second. These are not your grandparent's electric ranges of the 60's which were crap by comparison.

Flak jacket strapped on, . . .

How much wattage would be needed to produce the needed btu's for a cooktop? Would it be feasible to replace the gas meter on the side of houses with a unit having water and power feeds, to "retrofit" a home? Things like jetting and line pressure come into play, but could be interesting.

 

[regor]

 

[Maw]

How much wattage would be needed to produce the needed btu's for a cooktop? Would it be feasible to replace the gas meter on the side of houses with a unit having water and power feeds, to "retrofit" a home? Things like jetting and line pressure come into play, but could be interesting.

I don't know off the top of my head, I'll play with it a bit more this weekend. In our application it is simply one component of load that is being placed upon the diesel generators to bring the EGTs up under light loading conditions. Conversion efficiency wasn't a concern. Most of the gas generated in the shop (when not being dumped back into a generator under test) was used to fill condoms that were then ignited in the parking lot. Who said engineers are a dull lot.

Cheers

 

[monkeyswrench]

I don't know off the top of my head, I'll play with it a bit more this weekend. In our application it is simply one component of load that is being placed upon the diesel generators to bring the EGTs up under light loading conditions. Conversion efficiency wasn't a concern. Most of the gas generated in the shop (when not being dumped back into a generator under test) was used to fill condoms that were then ignited in the parking lot. Who said engineers are a dull lot.

Cheers

So you are primarily generating the gas as a byproduct? The goal was for the load created to at least have a purpose? If you're having to worry about increasing egt's, this must be a good size generator

 

[Big B Hova]

 

[Maw]

So you are primarily generating the gas as a byproduct? The goal was for the load created to at least have a purpose? If you're having to worry about increasing egt's, this must be a good size generator

That's correct, keep the EGTs up there to help avoid gumming up the injector tips, rings, etc. Rather than simply using a glorified water heater as per norm, we're playing a few games with the power. In this component the produced gas is supplied as fast as it's generated back into the genset. These are typically in the 40-200kW range, though we've used it inside the shop with our little 5kW unit (a real POS as far as power quality is concerned).

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Just wait until some of these morons on city planning commitees start banning the installation of gas lines in new developments.

..... and with the ever increasing load on the power grid -- not only will you not be able to re-charge your car when you get home from work, you won't be able to cook your supper on your brand new electric range

You are about 5 years too late for a few cities. Including San Luis Obispo here in California. Yes, that town that was under water this past week and lost power everywhere, but existing gas service didnt go out.... lol!

 

[spectra3279]

Natural Gas was a clean burning alternative energy fuel?

What the fuck did I miss?

These idiots realize that electricity comes from powerplants fired by natural gas and coal, right?

What the fuck?

This one really has me scratching my head - How did this become the next focal point to eliminate from our lives?




In a time not long ago...........


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That's so yesterday

 

[spectra3279]

He ain't worried about his stove. Those 4 sammich makers? Whole different story!

Yes he is worried about his stove. How else can those sammich makers do hot ham and cheese?

 

[DWC]

300,000 BTU

I’d be a menace to society in CA.

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That would cost $50 an hour to run now

 

[77charger]

Gas stove is only way to cook a tortilla. Did that as a kid hated when I saw an electric stove

Corn or flour tortilla warmed spread butter was every Mexicans quick snack.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Gas stove is only way to cook a tortilla. Did that as a kid hated when I saw an electric stove

Corn or flour tortilla warmed spread butter was every Mexicans quick snack.

You put the tortilla on the Comal......c'mon man what kind of mexican are you?

Tossin tortillas directly on the burner grate is for drunk white guys!

 

[playdeep]

Gas stove is only way to cook a tortilla. Did that as a kid hated when I saw an electric stove

Corn or flour tortilla warmed spread butter was every Mexicans quick snack.

C'mon man...
What kind of Mesican are you.
Cast iron stove only!
Fresh tortilla with fresh strips of green chili...to die for!

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

Pshhhh...it's all about the corn tortillas w/bologna or a cheese slice cooked directly on the burner fools!! And it pisses the wife off too.

 

[77charger]

You put the tortilla on the Comal......c'mon man what kind of mexican are you?

Tossin tortillas directly on the burner grate is for drunk white guys!

Gotta get some burnin on the tortillas. The simple things as kids. Cooked hot dogs on stove too then wrap in corn tortilla too.

Shits makin me hungry now.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Gotta get some burnin on the tortillas. The simple things as kids. Cooked hot dogs on stove too then wrap in corn tortilla too.

Shits makin me hungry now.

I can smell it now!

 

[Taboma]

For a product we're developing for yachts we've built a Brown's Gas generator to serve a specific support function. Brown's gas is formed using water and electricity and produces a stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, when burned it returns back to water vapor. No reason something like this can't be built into gas cooktops, you plumb in a water line and electricity and nobody is the wiser.

That said, I actually like the Thermador induction cooktops we have in our Havasu houses. I can't really tell the difference (compared to natural gas) in cooking with them and the cleanup takes only a few second. These are not your grandparent's electric ranges of the 60's which were crap by comparison.

Flak jacket strapped on, . . .

We installed a Bosch Induction cook top when we built our new home in 2010 and we both really liked it. Decided to upgrade from the Bosch this past year, new Thermador Induction CT and Pro Oven. Only took four months to get the cooktop, which we really enjoy, but we're at 10 months and counting waiting for the oven --- glad our Bosch still worked.

 

[RIVERBORN]

Humans are much easier to control when they're cold and hungry.

Ehhhh that is questionable lol. There is a reason why prisoners are fed well. Haha.

 

[badluck]

Million dollar idea
Outdoor electric grilles.com

 

[DLC]

Combined with the 2030 ban on gas heating coming to Cali, this would f**k kitchens everywhere.

NO chef uses an electric cooktop. NONE.

I don’t think this applies to commercial application, but I could be wrong - just don’t tell my wife I was wrong!
lol

no way they are going allow NG to go away in a commercial application! Most of our electrical power is produced from NG ! I know Escondido. ca. has 2 recently built power plants - Recently = past 15/20 years!

a lot of roof top equipment Dehumidifiers and AC systems are powered by NG. If those go away so will the companies. Biotech is HUGE in Ca. and they rely on NG equipment.

I don’t think a Bunsen Burner will work w/ electricity ! But that’s just me, I’m not an engineer !

 

[DLC]

Chinese food would be done in Ca.

No Wok for you !

 

[ChevelleSB406]

My favorite irony is that burning anything completely, you release C02 and H20, recycling dinosaurs to put more water into the atmosphere, ya know, to help with the drought In all seriousness, it does have climate change implications, but always bring water emissions whenever anyone ever mentions C02 emissions.

Queue the scene from the martian of him watering his crops if they don't understand the science.