When will YOU feel it is safe again?

[LargeOrangeFont]

We have people on every level of the spectrum here. From those that think this whole thing is 100% a hoax, to those that want everyone boarded up in their homes for 18 months.

I've had a few conversations over PMs with members and would like to start a discussion about what you personally would need to see to feel it is safe to begin a transition back to normalcy. I don't mean everything going back to the way it was in Feb, I mean starting the transition. This would be small business opening up with limited/curbside/pickup services, Restaurants opening back up in a reduced and social distanced capacity, gatherings of 10 or less, things of that nature.

As a follow up to that I am wondering why you think it is any safer at that point as the virus is still out there? Or is it just because the economic risks now outweigh the risks of the virus?

I'm going to pick on @RiverDave because it is your website and he is a good example -

Dave, you mostly stayed home, It was not a full quarantine, but you and your family kept mostly to yourselves and your storefront closed. Your storefront is now open and you have mentioned you want to maintain social distance, etc.. There is obviously still risk of getting sick, but what was your thought process in doing this? What moved the needle for you?

Hopefully this does not turn into a shit show, as we are not going to convince others one way or another at this point. I'm actually interested in what others think about this.

As for me I think we should and could start that transition in most areas of the Southwest US on May 1. I think it is pretty clear that the virus is far less dangerous that originally thought. Obviously the risk of getting sick still exists, but the economic and social risks are far greater, and I believe we can do a better job if we focus on protecting those that are vulnerable to dying from the disease, instead of trying to keep everyone locked up in their houses.

 

[oldschool]

Go back to life as normal(before this hysteria), now. UNLESS, you are elderly and or have a compromised immune system. This is a possible threat to them, JUST LIKE A BUNCH OF OTHER VIRUSES. I used to go by the 50/50 rule, but after all this the pussy side of that ratio has jumped significantly.

 

[RitcheyRch]

I'm all for opening up immediately provided everyone keeps their distance and we look out for the elderly who are most likely to stay home anyways.

 

[C-2]

I am diabetic and would rather encounter CV later, than sooner. And my 82-year old MIL is going thru chemo.

I am also a State employee. I expect the State will take a conservative approach for returning to the office. I was told yesterday that September is the date everybody is talking about. Currently I'm working from home, and I told my supervisor I am willing to go into the field; my contact with others in the field is limited. Until then, we do most of our work via email and phone. I also have my side hustle, which does not require leaving the house.

Wifey works in the grocery biz and has not stopped working.

So our strategy is more of the same - just be as careful as we can.

I also totally understand and support people who need to return to work, which is contrary to what all my family members believe.

 

[wallnutz]

For someone that has a high risk person at home (my wife), I think it's time now to start opening up. Common sense needs to be used which is going to be a big stretch. Restaurants should be able to open with social distance rules in place, Staff should be checked at the door for fever. Stricter hand washing standards need to be enforced. Will we run out to dinner no, but it should not stop people that aren't in our situation. Hair salons too, if the common sense theme can be pushed on to them also. Large events like concerts, sporting events, night clubs, etc.. can't happen until there has been widespread antibody testing done, and proven to the masses that we have reached herd immunity.
We need to keep pushing washing your hands, not touching your face, and stay home if you feel sick. I really think some people out there don't understand this simple common sense thing to keep you healthy. I don't know that we will be able to go back to "normal" anytime soon, but we should be able to get close.

 

[was thatguy]

I’m thinking noon.

I’ve said all along that I’ll play the game and see what the numbers do.
I don’t see anything close to constituting further restrictions.
I think those with high risk dependents, or themselves, are doing what they have to do and will continue to take preventive measures.

 

[Wizard29]

Three weeks ago when the data started showing this was not the doomsday scenario that was originally portrayed.

Of course it has to be done with common sense. OC is doing it right with the guidelines they've laid out as long as they continue to adjust according to what the data indicates.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

What is safe?

From a virus? That happened last week sometime.

Economically? Not for a while.

To travel? I'm flying to Tucson at the end of May.

 

[Racey]

I'm ready right now. After seeing these antibody results out of CA and NY, it's obvious that it's time, Way more people had this already, the fatality rates are super low, and they are minuscule for healthy working age and younger.

For the ones that want to stay home that is their choice, they are totally free to continue doing so. But we no longer need to impose the draconian measures on the rest of society.

I would like nothing more than to be able to go up to the neighborhood bar and have a beer with the boys. Or sit down at a restaurant for a nice meal on real china.

 

[Danger Dave]

Once Shintooo buys another boat I'll know we're safe.

 

[Devilman]

Go back to life as normal(before this hysteria), now. UNLESS, you are elderly and or have a compromised immune system. This is a possible threat to them, JUST LIKE A BUNCH OF OTHER VIRUSES. I used to go by the 50/50 rule, but after all this the pussy side of that ratio has jumped significantly.

Oldschool put it about as best and simple as I would have responded, so thanks to him for saving me the trouble, lol.

I realize not everyone's situation is the same and different parts of the country are reacting/handling things differently. Personally, even with me fitting some of the risk factors, I've never felt unsafe. I've been a bit more cautious and went to using hand sanitizer way more than I used to, but that's about it. I will say this, my sister-in-law is an emergency room nurse. About a month ago when all this was starting to take off, she (along with 3 other nurses on the same shift I believe) got the covid. Last I heard, nobody has been able to pinpoint how they may have gotten it, they all were wearing/using masks, face shields, all that stuff. Long story short, she was given some meds and sent home to quarantine for 14 days. My brother and all their kids also then had to quarantine 14 days as well. I won't go into details as it affects people differently, but she said her symptoms were relatively mild, but knowing that she had it did get into her head at times. Nobody else in the household ever got it. She recovered completely and went back to work and my brother is back out here at work as well.

People gotta do what they need to do to protect themselves and feel safe. You wanna wear a hazmat suit while taking a shower, be my guest, but don't give me shit because I don't agree with you. I was told that if I don't wear a mask, it was literally the same as going into a grocery store and opening fire with a machine gun. Another told me it was no different than waiting for a movie to start and then setting the theater on fire. LOL, that way of thinking scares me more than a virus ever could. It's hard to believe there are folks like that out there... and there are a lot of them.

We are going boating this weekend. Funny thing is, buddy of mine hasn't had his boat out in a couple of summers and is chomping at the bit, but his wife is a bit reluctant so far. I'm not sure if they will go or not, but he has hinted to me about my wife leaning on his a bit to convince her to go, lol!!

 

[rmarion]

I'm on Full LOCKDOWN.... I'm now sleeping in the bathroom.... after doing math... I've calculated I have 3 year 5 months 24 days 12 minutes remaining on my TP supply...


I'm PISSED and would ACTUALLY KILL THE F.ER's who are responsible for this Global Pandemic ...

IMO this was not released by the kitty cat knocking off the vial off the scientist desk...


answer to the question....

status quo for me..

I do put on the mask as requested by Business's whenever I traverse.....

I've said it where everyone has either blocked me or quit responding...LOL

It's a F.ing Nasty FLU.... it could potentially KILL you.... luckily for me, I'm just a MEAN, SICK, DIRTY M.F.er and its SCARED OF ME...

and if I could take one for the team and all this shit would go away...
I'd take it....

I hope everyone is Safe and Well!!!!

Were taking the Harley out for a ride this Sunday... the funny part is... I already wear a facemask when I ride.... LOL

 

[RiverDave]

We have people on every level of the spectrum here. From those that think this whole thing is 100% a hoax, to those that want everyone boarded up in their homes for 18 months.

I've had a few conversations over PMs with members and would like to start a discussion about what you personally would need to see to feel it is safe to begin a transition back to normalcy. I don't mean everything going back to the way it was in Feb, I mean starting the transition. This would be small business opening up with limited/curbside/pickup services, Restaurants opening back up in a reduced and social distanced capacity, gatherings of 10 or less, things of that nature.

As a follow up to that I am wondering why you think it is any safer at that point as the virus is still out there? Or is it just because the economic risks now outweigh the risks of the virus?

I'm going to pick on @RiverDave because it is your website and he is a good example -

Dave, you mostly stayed home, It was not a full quarantine, but you and your family kept mostly to yourselves and your storefront closed. Your storefront is now open and you have mentioned you want to maintain social distance, etc.. There is obviously still risk of getting sick, but what was your thought process in doing this? What moved the needle for you?

Hopefully this does not turn into a shit show, as we are not going to convince others one way or another at this point. I'm actually interested in what others think about this.

As for me I think we should and could start that transition in most areas of the Southwest US on May 1. I think it is pretty clear that the virus is far less dangerous that originally thought. Obviously the risk of getting sick still exists, but the economic and social risks are far greater, and I believe we can do a better job if we focus on protecting those that are vulnerable to dying from the disease, instead of trying to keep everyone locked up in their houses.

Happy to answer.. Two things began resonating with me. How come the essential workers aren’t getting sick and dying? (Very few cases, even less fatalities)

The second thing is every single person not working in the private sector is still getting paid or working. To clarify, every single government employee that I can think of is either working or drawing a paycheck while not working..

Somewhere down the line the government and the people that work for them felt they are essential and we the citizens in most cases are not. When you look at the foundation of our government, where we came from, this is completely backwards...

At this point are cops essential in California? If so for what? Zero Bail automatic release.. zero real punishment for low to mid level crimes? Oh and the kicker they let a bunch of hood rats out of jail.. lol.

That isn’t to be negative towards cops, but when there is no punishments the. What is the point of them?

In California anyways they can’t protect “us” being the citizens from the element because their hands have been tied.

Why do I have a buddy that works in a
Goverbmemotor pool sitting at home collecting full pay while not working?

Now this obviously goes down a lot of rabbit holes.. but let’s be real here they flipping lied to us.. Had they not padded the numbers I’d listen and be more apt to put more stock into it..

but they padded them.. not only did they pad them they are padding the shit out of them and the fatality rates (while much higher Than the flu) are not near what they said, even with the padded numbers.

The fact they lied, blatantly, still came up short, and are still continuing to lie about it even after being exposed, makes me have a hard time believing anything they are saying..

Is the virus real? Absolutely as we all know my nephew had it bad, and his mom and dad did as well.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupidity if people saying it’s a hoax.. especially after I tell them my own members of my family had it.

The second thing that resonated with me is ironically enough a story TPC shared on here awhile back about water consumption. CA came and said everyone cut back on water!! They put the shower heads in, took short showers, didn’t wash cars, killed the grass and stopped watering the lawns and landscaping..

All the while his neighbor just continued as kept watering, kept washing, so far as to even hose down the driveways..

When it was all over CA came back and said “well this is much water as you need to use, anything above it you pay penalties. The neighbor that never changed.. well that was his average usage and no penalties. Lol

For some reason I keep thinking this isn’t much different than that scenario and I see the water bill coming.

As for reality obviously social distancing (which to be clear isn’t quarantine) is favorable. That is what we excersized to a fairly extreme level.. We did one thing one night (went to a friends house and I had a few beers that were handed to me and I didn’t Lysol them.. lol) that went outside of our strict regime.

For us we stayed under that regime for six/seven weeks. I have friends that didn’t even give a random shit. Here we are almost two months later and I’ll bet their lawn looks beautiful if you know what I’m saying.. lol.

For sheer sanity reasons Indint think I could live like that much longer.. When I decided that I wanted to live with more risk, I elected to take those in my life that are the most susceptible to it and remove them from the equation.

I’m not talking about just seeing friends. I’m talking about not going through a 15 point check list and two days of decontamination with a coke can type shit. Lol. (Literally we shop, it all goes in my toy hauler fridge or floor etc.. sits for days, then comes into the garage, then.. you get the point.

To sum it up my mom got in the car to leave

And this was in my hands fifteen minutes later.. lol. And it was the best god damn cheeseburger I have ever had

 

[just_floatin]

Ummm. Wife and I broke quarantine on April 10, 2020. Respectful of others but pretty much doing our thing. Easter gathering, shooting, camping, boating, haircuts in the garage salon for close clients, paddling everyday on the lake. Feel great too! Miss seeing my parents over 80 but not for long. Planning our trip to Ca next month. They too have been doing their thing. Yesterday they went shopping at Lowe’s, Home Depot and stopped at the bank. Living their senior years as they should. One thing hardly discussed, however, relevant is Born Again Christian faith. As said before many are of the belief “the worse thing that can happen is the best thing that can happen”. Call it God’s will. Therefore,

 

[c_land]

If I didn't enjoy working from home nothing would have changed for me. I'm actually at my office today.

I did buy a mountain bike because my gym closed and I had to buy some interesting groceries because everything was sold out at one point.

Other than that, I haven't done a single thing differently, been with friends, at the river, etc. This is one of the most dumb things I have ever witnessed.

I think we are already seeing shaming of those of us who decide to continue to live a life. Seems like a deliberate effort conditioning masses of people to believe that those who enjoy freedom are selfish.

 

[RiverDave]

With regard to other factors LOF, I have pulled the rdp card a couple times. And will again this weekend.

As I’m sure you know, in a socialist environment, capitalism works wonders..

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

With regard to other factors LOF, I have pulled the rdp card a couple times. And will again this weekend.

As I’m sure you know, in a socialist environment, capitalism works wonders..

Thank you for your thoughts on this.

 

[RiverDave]

Thirdly it went from cold to hot as balls out here.. even if it dies in 135 degree temps (last number I heard it takes to kill it). Surface temps of anything in the sun out here is gonna he double that or more.. the inside of a car gets to 170-180 pretty quick in 100+ degree weather. I don’t think it will be able to spread as fast here as it does in cooler climates.

 

[RiverDave]

Ummm. Wife and I broke quarantine on April 10, 2020. Respectful of others but pretty much doing our thing. Easter gathering, shooting, camping, boating, haircuts in the garage salon for close clients, paddling everyday on the lake. Feel great too! Miss seeing my parents over 80 but not for long. Planning our trip to Ca next month. They too have been doing their thing. Yesterday they went shopping at Lowe’s, Home Depot and stopped at the bank. Living their senior years as they should. One thing hardly discussed, however, relevant is Born Again Christian faith. As said before many are of the belief “the worse thing that can happen is the best thing that can happen”. Call it God’s will. Therefore, View attachment 871621

the amount of people on Facebook saying the blood of Christ will protect me side right alarming..

 

[oldschool]

Thirdly it went from cold to hot as balls out here.. even if it dies in 135 degree temps (last number I heard it takes to kill it). Surface temps of anything in the sun out here is gonna he double that or more.. the inside of a car gets to 170-180 pretty quick in 100+ degree weather. I don’t think it will be able to spread as fast here as it does in cooler climates.

Dr. Johnson, paging Dr. Johnson.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

the amount of people on Facebook saying the blood of Christ will protect me side right alarming..

Clowns to the left, jokers to the right.

 

[just_floatin]

the amount of people on Facebook saying the blood of Christ will protect me side right alarming..

Couldn’t tell ya. Parents or I don’t have FB. Interesting enough I have a few neighbors in LHC hanging scarlet scarves outside their front doors so the virus (plague) passes by. No judgement here, to each their own. Freedom.

I will say in my circle of friends of which 3/4 are non believers, continue to do the proverbial normal every morning paddling around the lake. Hard to give up the lake at daybreak for any reason. Freedom. Damn I love this country.

 

[4Waters]

I'd feel safe when the Republican party controls the House and Senate

 

[musicFunsun]

Pretty much since the beginning I just didn’t think I would get it, my husband is sure he had it in January, I didn’t catch it. We’ve been very careful because he has to take care of him mom who has Alzheimer’s and dementia a couple days a week, spraying shoes, leaving groceries just inside the door for a couple days, more hand washing (if that’s possible) than before. Other than being forced to a minimum schedule and use my vacation time for 2 weeks, I’ve been working. Could have volunteered to furlough but my gut said Work ! My husband sells electrical supplies, considered essential, has been working from home and is super busy.
I like the social distancing, Not terribly fond of most people
I am curious as to why I didn’t get it and hope I’m not a carrier.

 

[DaveC]

I would vote for full reopen now. But we need to protect those most vulnerable so they should be allowed to continue to shelter and isolate.

Group immunity.

The reason I say this is because a portion of the medical community which has been largely silenced or ignored has outlined an alternative scenario for dealing with diseases. If data shows that only a small portion of peple are vulnerable to death, like the old or sick, but that vast majority of otherwise healthy people are not, then the vulnerable should be protected and isolated, while the healthy go out into the world. The rationale is if the otherwise healthy have extremely low mortality rates so it poses very little risk then they should go out into the world to build group immunity. The virus won't stop until we have group immunity. Group immunity protects the vulnerable. We have been doing this for generations with disease.

This is the first time we have quarantined everyone and that does not work since quarantines must be lifted at some point. The virus doesn't go away so it just delays group immunity until everyone comes out of qurantine

I don't need a mask and social distancing but if that makes people feel better then do it.

 

[EmpirE231]

Open it back up.....If you are scared, stay home. If you are older and have a questionable immune system, stay home and quarantine.

Get antibody testing ramped way up. All these slow hospitals with nothing going on should be doing antibody testing all day long.

Obviously since we've already gone full retard, things can't just open back up 100%..... so it'll be a gradual roll back to any sort of normalcy (if we ever get back to normalcy)

 

[oldschool]

Open it back up.....If you are scared, stay home. If you are older and have a questionable immune system, stay home and quarantine.

Get antibody testing ramped way up. All these slow hospitals with nothing going on should be doing antibody testing all day long.

Obviously since we've already gone full retard, things can't just open back up 100%..... so it'll be a gradual roll back to any sort of normalcy (if we ever get back to normalcy)

 

[Your ad here]

I felt safe from the virus the whole time and am ready for things to go back to normal. Times I felt unsafe is when I scored some toilet paper at the market and didn't have my "buddy" with me or walking out with a cart full of food. I still feel unsafe using the drive thru at the bank when making large deposits/withdraws. When there is an inventory stock of toilet paper at the stores I'll feel safer because things will probably be getting back to normal. I knew it but didn't think much of it but I have been living a social distance lifestyle my whole life.

 

[RiverDave]

Open it back up.....If you are scared, stay home. If you are older and have a questionable immune system, stay home and quarantine.

Get antibody testing ramped way up. All these slow hospitals with nothing going on should be doing antibody testing all day long.

Obviously since we've already gone full retard, things can't just open back up 100%..... so it'll be a gradual roll back to any sort of normalcy (if we ever get back to normalcy)

well technically we never went to full quarantine or full tard. Lol. If we did thenthat would have gotten weird. They didn’t even enforce the stay at home order

 

[EmpirE231]

well technically we never went to full quarantine or full tard. Lol. If we did thenthat would have gotten weird. They didn’t even enforce the stay at home order

C'mon..... everything that has happened in the last month and a half ain't full retard?

 

[RiverDave]

C'mon..... everything that has happened in the last month and a half ain't full retard?

It’s up there but full retard = show me your papers and why you are out enforced but national guard.

 

[EmpirE231]

It’s up there but full retard = show me your papers and why you are out enforced but national guard.

at that point, I would call that the end of America

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

YOLO bitches!!!!! Bring on the hookers and blow......no need to social distance deeeeeeeeezzz nuts!!..

 

[RCDave]

I always felt safe. I gotta a better chance of being killed driving my car, running the boat, motorcycle, or falling down their stairs.

I'm more at risk due to the economic impacts than the virus....

 

[eand28]

I always felt safe. I gotta a better chance of being killed driving my car, running the boat, motorcycle, or falling down their stairs.

I'm more at risk due to the economic impacts than the virus....

That’s my thought process as well especially graduating into this mess.

As far as re-opening, should’ve done it like 2 weeks ago and let those who are at risk stay home and let everyone else out who wants to.

Virus is def real since a family member had it but I feel like the lock downs were a but unnecessary.

I personally haven’t noticed any difference other than being sent home from college early and not being able to take the boat out

 

[whiteworks]

It will be all clear and safe to resume your normal activities by November 4, 2020.

 

[riverroyal]

I feel safe now from getting sick. I never felt unsafe. I did what I needed to avoid people. I did the same thing I would do around someone with a cold. No big deal.

What I don't feel safe about moving forward is seeing how some people I know can be influenced so easily. I'm not sure I know these people, I thought I did. It made see how simple it is to make people panic. That makes me feel uneasy and unsafe. Every 'crisis' in my life time has shown peoples true Colors. 911, real estate melt down, cv 19, it's a serious humanity reality check

I will do things different from now on. Small adjustments in relationships with coworkers, adjustments in famous people I liked, musicians, even friends.

The one thing that also feels unsafe is how worried some people are and how they reacted to how some just didn't care. That gap from one extreme to the other is a scary deal.
Full lock down with guns and ammo on one end to 'I'm going boating on the other' end.
Conspiracy theory types that are nuts about big brother are on edge, while others live normally. This country is not united, not even close.

It's been interesting seeing how peoples minds have processed this and their outcome. There are some serious freaked out unstable people out there. Look around the grocery store, you can spot them. These people are what is unsafe to me not getting sick

 

[DC-88]

Like everything else made in China , it will last less than a year

 

[DaveC]

This is great. especially the first part

I am using a paraphrased version of this in arguments now. lol

Happy to answer.. Two things began resonating with me. How come the essential workers aren’t getting sick and dying? (Very few cases, even less fatalities)

The second thing is every single person not working in the private sector is still getting paid or working. To clarify, every single government employee that I can think of is either working or drawing a paycheck while not working..

Somewhere down the line the government and the people that work for them felt they are essential and we the citizens in most cases are not. When you look at the foundation of our government, where we came from, this is completely backwards...

At this point are cops essential in California? If so for what? Zero Bail automatic release.. zero real punishment for low to mid level crimes? Oh and the kicker they let a bunch of hood rats out of jail.. lol.

That isn’t to be negative towards cops, but when there is no punishments the. What is the point of them?

In California anyways they can’t protect “us” being the citizens from the element because their hands have been tied.

Why do I have a buddy that works in a
Goverbmemotor pool sitting at home collecting full pay while not working?

Now this obviously goes down a lot of rabbit holes.. but let’s be real here they flipping lied to us.. Had they not padded the numbers I’d listen and be more apt to put more stock into it..

but they padded them.. not only did they pad them they are padding the shit out of them and the fatality rates (while much higher Than the flu) are not near what they said, even with the padded numbers.

The fact they lied, blatantly, still came up short, and are still continuing to lie about it even after being exposed, makes me have a hard time believing anything they are saying..

Is the virus real? Absolutely as we all know my nephew had it bad, and his mom and dad did as well.

I don’t have much tolerance for stupidity if people saying it’s a hoax.. especially after I tell them my own members of my family had it.

The second thing that resonated with me is ironically enough a story TPC shared on here awhile back about water consumption. CA came and said everyone cut back on water!! They put the shower heads in, took short showers, didn’t wash cars, killed the grass and stopped watering the lawns and landscaping..

All the while his neighbor just continued as kept watering, kept washing, so far as to even hose down the driveways..

When it was all over CA came back and said “well this is much water as you need to use, anything above it you pay penalties. The neighbor that never changed.. well that was his average usage and no penalties. Lol

For some reason I keep thinking this isn’t much different than that scenario and I see the water bill coming.

As for reality obviously social distancing (which to be clear isn’t quarantine) is favorable. That is what we excersized to a fairly extreme level.. We did one thing one night (went to a friends house and I had a few beers that were handed to me and I didn’t Lysol them.. lol) that went outside of our strict regime.

For us we stayed under that regime for six/seven weeks. I have friends that didn’t even give a random shit. Here we are almost two months later and I’ll bet their lawn looks beautiful if you know what I’m saying.. lol.

For sheer sanity reasons Indint think I could live like that much longer.. When I decided that I wanted to live with more risk, I elected to take those in my life that are the most susceptible to it and remove them from the equation.

I’m not talking about just seeing friends. I’m talking about not going through a 15 point check list and two days of decontamination with a coke can type shit. Lol. (Literally we shop, it all goes in my toy hauler fridge or floor etc.. sits for days, then comes into the garage, then.. you get the point.

To sum it up my mom got in the car to leave

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And this was in my hands fifteen minutes later.. lol. And it was the best god damn cheeseburger I have ever had

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