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Best, non medical, 1st hand information I've received. To my face froma covid widow.....
A friend, acquantence, lost her husband last May. She's 54, he was 60.
After a week of really sick, breathing problems. AND 4 separate Bug Tests, All came back negative....
They went to the E.R. of course they wouldnt let her past the door with her very sick husband.
All the while repeating its not covid I've been tested.......
She spoke with him and the Docs everyday. Test him ! its not covid.....
5 days, on a ventilator, in the covid wing. He died......
Both head docs signed covid death documentation.....
Never ran a single test.
She got his body out of there. Private autopsy. He dies from advanced viral pnemonia.
Of course, shes now talking to lawyers.
But they told her, dont hold your breath. most likely ALL covid death related lawsuits will be dismissed by the Supreme Courts.
Why do Docs lie.....
Average expense ratio. Team of Docs, nurses, Ventilator, hospital room afdds up to $$$X dollars per day times XX amount of days. insurance companies cant handle so Feds are writing an average check, here in Illinois anyway for $250K per covid death. Its a cash cow. Thats why the hospitals are writing everything as covid.
This from her lawyer, to her, to my face.
Nothing off the internet.
 

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My moms friend had this exact same thing happen to her husband a month or two ago. He was diagnosed with pneumonia but on his death certificate the hospital put COVID pneumonia. Unbelievable...
 

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Not all will be dismissed by the Supreme Court. One of the guys on my crew had his son's friend (basically a son to him) get killed while riding his motorcycle when someone tuned in front of him. The hospital signed it off as covid and now the person at fault's insurance won't pay because the death certificate states covid not traumatic injuries due to traffic accident.
 

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My daughter works in an ICU and the other day they brought I guy in who had been badly beaten buy multiple objects. He died the next day and they called it COVID even though they never even ran a test.
 

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Best, non medical, 1st hand information I've received. To my face froma covid widow.....
A friend, acquantence, lost her husband last May. She's 54, he was 60.
After a week of really sick, breathing problems. AND 4 separate Bug Tests, All came back negative....
They went to the E.R. of course they wouldnt let her past the door with her very sick husband.
All the while repeating its not covid I've been tested.......
She spoke with him and the Docs everyday. Test him ! its not covid.....
5 days, on a ventilator, in the covid wing. He died......
Both head docs signed covid death documentation.....
Never ran a single test.
She got his body out of there. Private autopsy. He dies from advanced viral pnemonia.
Of course, shes now talking to lawyers.
But they told her, dont hold your breath. most likely ALL covid death related lawsuits will be dismissed by the Supreme Courts.
Why do Docs lie.....
Average expense ratio. Team of Docs, nurses, Ventilator, hospital room afdds up to $$$X dollars per day times XX amount of days. insurance companies cant handle so Feds are writing an average check, here in Illinois anyway for $250K per covid death. Its a cash cow. Thats why the hospitals are writing everything as covid.
This from her lawyer, to her, to my face.
Nothing off the internet.
Kaiser Permanente So Cal (5 counties) has received HOW MUCH from the Govt. for COVID Deaths?
0

Again , ZERO

Urban legends are cute to talk about , but when there are FACTS, they are what they are

I give a rat’s ass on opinions of the virus, be all you can be

But for Govt giving money to Kaiser Permanente:
Completely and utterly FALSE

Fun Fact: anyone want to debate the 79 year old lady that died at Cal Poly Pomona after getting the vaccine and try to blame it on the vaccine?

Bring it
About 10+ Prior ailments should have never been there .
 
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Kaiser Permanente So Cal (5 counties) has received HOW MUCH from the Govt. for COVID Deaths?
0

Again , ZERO

Urban legends are cute to talk about , but when there are FACTS, they are what they are
This is because Kaiser does not bill Medicare directly. As part of the CARES act which is now law, Medicare must reimburse for the treatment of COVID-19 at a rate of 20% more than what the usual reimbursement is for a given CPT code. So if the Medicare allowable comes to $100,000 to treat a COVID patient in the ICU, Medicare must pay that hospital $120,000. Kaiser does receive money from Medicare but it is not tied to specific billing codes rather they get a fixed amount for every Medicare patient on their plan whether you use their insurance or not.
 

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This is because Kaiser does not bill Medicare directly. As part of the CARES act which is now law, Medicare must reimburse for the treatment of COVID-19 at a rate of 20% more than what the usual reimbursement is for a given CPT code. So if the Medicare allowable comes to $100,000 to treat a COVID patient in the ICU, Medicare must pay that hospital $120,000. Kaiser does receive money from Medicare but it is not tied to specific billing codes rather they get a fixed amount for every Medicare patient on their plan whether you use their insurance or not.
FALSE
And while you’re at it cite your source that you got this information ?
I’d sure like to hear it

I got the vaccine at dodger Stadium guess who got charged for that vaccine given by carbon health? That’s right my plan Kiser

you’re welcome
 
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I don’t appreciate you guys spreading this kind of misinformation. The guys with tiktoking nurses say that it’s real and there are mobile morgues lined up around the block housing GORILLIONS of Plague riddled bodies. I believe the science and the dances. I will get the jab. I will wear panty hose above my 19 masks. Plz guise. It’s real
 

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Is it real? Yes and for certain groups deadly. But the discussion was on do hospitals gets $$ for Covid deaths. I am not going to say they are “over reporting”. I dont have that info. But do they get $$$? Sounds like it

 

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FALSE
And while you’re at it cite your source that you got this information ?
I’d sure like to hear it

I got the vaccine at dodger Stadium guess who got charged for that vaccine given by carbon health? That’s right my plan Kiser

you’re welcome
You could read it in the CARES act itself but it is 1000s of pages, or look HERE. The 20% increase was recently backdated to January of 2020 and luckily, for hospital admissions on or after 9/1/2020 the patient must have a positive COVID test in their chart for the hospital to receive the 20%.

This summary came from the Heritage Foundation:

"The CARES Act authorized a temporary 20 percent increase in reimbursements from Medicare for COVID-19 patients to account for both anticipated and unanticipated increases in the cost of care for these medically complex patients," explained Dr. Summer McGee, dean of the School of Health Sciences at the University of New Haven.

Instead of getting paid the DRG rate, a hospital that admits a coronavirus patient will receive 20 percent more compensation than they would for providing that same care to a non-coronavirus patient.

"Imagine two Medicare patients, one with COVID-19 and another one not, with pneumonia in the same ICU. Medicare will pay, for example, $10,000 for the pneumonia patient who doesn't have COVID-19 and $12,000 for the patient who does," he surmised. "The rationale is that this provides a sort of rough justice method of making sure that hospitals that get a lot of COVID-19 patients also get extra money from the government."


As for the Kaiser information, it is called "capitation" and is not unique to Kaiser, most HMOs pay their medical groups this way (a fixed amount per insured person).
 

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You could read it in the CARES act itself but it is 1000s of pages, or look HERE. The 20% increase was recently backdated to January of 2020 and luckily, for hospital admissions on or after 9/1/2020 the patient must have a positive COVID test in their chart for the hospital to receive the 20%.

This summary came from the Heritage Foundation:

"The CARES Act authorized a temporary 20 percent increase in reimbursements from Medicare for COVID-19 patients to account for both anticipated and unanticipated increases in the cost of care for these medically complex patients," explained Dr. Summer McGee, dean of the School of Health Sciences at the University of New Haven.

Instead of getting paid the DRG rate, a hospital that admits a coronavirus patient will receive 20 percent more compensation than they would for providing that same care to a non-coronavirus patient.

"Imagine two Medicare patients, one with COVID-19 and another one not, with pneumonia in the same ICU. Medicare will pay, for example, $10,000 for the pneumonia patient who doesn't have COVID-19 and $12,000 for the patient who does," he surmised. "The rationale is that this provides a sort of rough justice method of making sure that hospitals that get a lot of COVID-19 patients also get extra money from the government."


As for the Kaiser information, it is called "capitation" and is not unique to Kaiser, most HMOs pay their medical groups this way (a fixed amount per insured person).
Has nothing to do with Kaiser so again false just check your facts next time I don’t say that my pontoon goes 80 miles an hour when it has a small block pretty much the same correlation here
 

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Has nothing to do with Kaiser so again false just check your facts next time I don’t say that my pontoon goes 80 miles an hour when it has a small block pretty much the same correlation here
I was simply pointing out that hospitals are getting paid more for COVID patients but I agreed with you that Kaiser does not get any of it, and I described why. Nothing false about anything I have said.
 

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I was simply pointing out that hospitals are getting paid more for COVID patients but I agreed with you that Kaiser does not get any of it, and I described why. Nothing false about anything I have said.
Kaiser Foots the bill, tell us all here how Cares pays for it ?
THEY HAVE NOT
News flash
Do you work for CARES, or a health care provider ?
Or just post articles ?
 

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Kaiser Foots the bill, tell us all here how Cares pays for it ?
THEY HAVE NOT
News flash
Do you work for CARES, or a health care provider ?
Or just post articles ?
Please go back and read what I wrote. CARES does not pay Kaiser or any other capitated plan. CARES pays providers and hospitals 20% extra for COVID treatments of Medicare patients. And, Kaiser does not foot the bill, its members do. As for the articles, you asked for sources.
 

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Please go back and read what I wrote. CARES does not pay Kaiser or any other capitated plan. CARES pays providers and hospitals 20% extra for COVID treatments of Medicare patients. And, Kaiser does not foot the bill, its members do. As for the articles, you asked for sources.
Wrong
Kaiser foots the bill as an organization

And as for “BS “ COVID label deaths

If ANY inmate has a first hand story with a Kaiser COVID death that was done to get “extra Money”

Send me a PM

Chances are I can get some more clarification of a said contested “Covid” death

The Horse’s mouth is usually a tad more factual than hearsay
 

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Wrong
Kaiser foots the bill as an organization

And as for “BS “ COVID label deaths

If ANY inmate has a first hand story with a Kaiser COVID death that was done to get “extra Money”

Send me a PM

Chances are I can get some more clarification of a said contested “Covid” death

The Horse’s mouth is usually a tad more factual than hearsay
Dude, who said Kaiser except you? Chill
 

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Wrong
Kaiser foots the bill as an organization

And as for “BS “ COVID label deaths

If ANY inmate has a first hand story with a Kaiser COVID death that was done to get “extra Money”

Send me a PM

Chances are I can get some more clarification of a said contested “Covid” death

The Horse’s mouth is usually a tad more factual than hearsay
The OP was commenting that hospitals get paid more for COVID deaths and I shared some detail on why and how much. You brought up Kaiser. And I have said now multiple times, Kaiser does not get any extra money.
 

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The OP was commenting that hospitals get paid more for COVID deaths and I shared some detail on why and how much. You brought up Kaiser. And I have said now multiple times, Kaiser does not get any extra money.
They don’t get ANY money and cover the medi care charges
0 reimbursement
FACT

Just because the heritage foundation puts out a feely good article doesn’t mean it ever happened (reimbursement for KP OR Medicare)
IT.HAS.NOT
 

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Dude, who said Kaiser except you? Chill
I get tired of the BS claims Hospitals are getting extra (or any) extra Fucking money for Covid deaths

For KP (large percentage of so cal insured ), has not happened

And again
You or anyone have a “false “ or questionable death you know first hand was not Covid, send me a PM


Hearsay only does more to make falsehoods
 

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Interesting .LR2 , why the right here? You're a cop and this is a federal scam you vehemently deny.
 

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Interesting .LR2 , why the right here? You're a cop and this is a federal scam you vehemently deny.
I think someone very close to him works for Kaiser
 

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From what I have been told the hospital does get money or a subsidy for each covid case. My SIL I a charge nurse at a big hospital (that I won't name)
 

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Interesting .LR2 , why the right here? You're a cop and this is a federal scam you vehemently deny.
Facts and truth don’t get to picked as an R or D side
K P has several hundred thousand insured
At least 8k have died in their So cal hospitals
The fact they have not received a single cent needs to be said

Do some small , crummy hospitals screw deaths ? Like screwed up small agencies in all professions , sure could be

I have direct access to KP on a large scale, the numbers and reimbursements (none), don’t lie.
It’s just like my Department: I’ll tell you where we did wrong but I won’t allow BS lies be tossed around and just let them sit there to be taken as truth.

Make no mistake , telling the truth can put a man in a desolate spot.

All good, been here awhile lol
 

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I just knew there would be a Covid virus emoji hoping to find one with popcorn...following ,cause i've heard the same thing re big bucks to hospitals , follow the money
 

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From what I have been told the hospital does get money or a subsidy for each covid case. My SIL I a charge nurse at a big hospital (that I won't name)
This is what i have heard from a neighbor who is a ER nurse. and more subsidies if put on a ventilator. But what do i know, it's all hearsay.
 

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For someone that is part of the bomb squad he sure seems to have a very short fuse. I wonder if his union issued that to him as well?
LOL
Nice pot shot, but thanks for playing
Got any actual facts to discuss ?
Funny, when I get to the point you get offended ?
 

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I give no fuks about Kaiser but I will tell you FOR A FACT that "hospitals" are getting paid for COVID-19 patients and deaths! And this comes from the horses mouth, the head of one of our local hospitals!! FACT!!

So unless you are "the head" you may not get the correct info cause its definitely not "public knowledge"! FACT!!
 

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I give no fuks about Kaiser but I will tell you FOR A FACT that "hospitals" are getting paid for COVID-19 patients and deaths! And this comes from the horses mouth, the head of one of our local hospitals!! FACT!!

So unless you are "the head" you may not get the correct info cause its definitely not "public knowledge"! FACT!!
Sorry Son
My connection is over about , 30 heads of Hospitals/clinics in So Cal and HI
But F KP, only one of the biggest groups of Hospitals on the west coast

hearsay
Vs people actually doing the job

Kind of like an Armchair Quartetback group of Police Use of Force experts on this thread , with the same amount of those that have actually done the job

Some RDP threads Just need to circle jerk out

have fun
 
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Facts and truth don’t get to picked as an R or D side
K P has several hundred thousand insured
At least 8k have died in their So cal hospitals
The fact they have not received a single cent needs to be said

Do some small , crummy hospitals screw deaths ? Like screwed up small agencies in all professions , sure could be

I have direct access to KP on a large scale, the numbers and reimbursements (none), don’t lie.
It’s just like my Department: I’ll tell you where we did wrong but I won’t allow BS lies be tossed around and just let them sit there to be taken as truth.

Make no mistake , telling the truth can put a man in a desolate spot.

All good, been here awhile lol

Well let's see some evidence of these facts? Or are we just supposed to take your word for it? Because last I heard the bomb squad has no access to a hospitals financial record🤷🏻‍♂️ definitely curious!
 

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Sorry Son
My connection is over about , 30 heads of Hospitals in So Cal and HI
But F KP, only one of the biggest groups of Hospitals on the west coast

hearsay
Vs people actually doing the job

Kind of like an Armchair Quartetback group of Police Use of Force experts on this thread , with the same amount of those that have actually done the job

Some RDP threads Just need to circle jerk out

have fun
Did you not read what I wrote? I was told by the head of one of our hospitals that they where getting paid for COVID-19 patients! I have no clue about KP but KP is not what this thread was about! And why is your info any better than mine? FFS get a grip man!
 

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Sorry Son
My connection is over about , 30 heads of Hospitals in So Cal and HI
But F KP, only one of the biggest groups of Hospitals on the west coast

hearsay
Vs people actually doing the job

Kind of like an Armchair Quartetback group of Police Use of Force experts on this thread , with the same amount of those that have actually done the job

Some RDP threads Just need to circle jerk out

have fun
And DONT CALL ME SON!! You are not my father!! So take your tantrum and GTFO

Find someone else to bully!!🖕
 

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As of 2021 there are 6,090 hospitals in the U.S. 38 of those are Kaiser...
And none of the ones in so cal have got a dime
Even fixed my numbers for you cupcake
your point ?
 

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And if your sooo smart then why do I know of 5 people that passed and COD was COVID-19 and they where never even tested? Hell one drowned in the river!! Can you explain that since you know so much about it. I have told these scenarios on here so I'm not going to type them out again! So can you enlighten me as to why? @LowRiver2
 

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My brother's friend died last May in Chicago while having been on a ventilator for five days. They ran four different Covid tests. All were negative. The cause of was determined to be pulmonary failure caused by complications of HIV. Covid was not listed as a cause.
 
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