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I would like to widen the single bay garage door so I can fit the boat in straight. It’s a little too wide to fit inside.

RDP brain trust,

Is it possible to get an extra foot out of each side? What’s the rough estimate in Havasu? I’ll be getting a few estimates later in the year. Just curious now though…
 

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Yes it’s possible! New header framing’s stucco patch maybe try to get it a little Taller…. Looks a bit tight

peal back ( Take off ) the drywall on both sides to expose the framing

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what’s the current door width - 8 ft?

my garage door is 10W x 12T it’s tight but doable with a straight shot inside
 

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what’s the current door width - 8 ft?

my garage door is 10W x 12T it’s tight but doable with a straight shot inside

I forgot to be honest with you. These are the measurements from the inspection. I know for a fact they’re off. I measured the length of the garage and it came out to 34ft., not 36ft.

When I measured the opening of the garage and width of the trailer last year, they were exactly the same width.

I appreciate your insight and thank you! I figure with an extra foot on each side that should make things a hell of a lot easier.
 

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Your trailer would be 102 wide 8 ft 6 inch that is a typical wide trailer. Any wider it’s a custom

your door looks to be a 9 ft wide door but only 102 clear

you have about 2.5 inches on both sides that are kinda “ Hidden “ see pics

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You can easily get a 10 ft wide door - with out much effort

going 8.5 inch wider on each side…. Still need to see the drywall removed

you might be able to get around 11ft wide but depends on the existing framing, need to see dry wall removed
 

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Your trailer would be 102 wide 8 ft 6 inch that is a typical wide trailer. Any wider it’s a custom

your door looks to be a 9 ft wide door but only 102 clear

you have about 2.5 inches on both sides that are kinda “ Hidden “ see pics

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Although I used to tell women 2.5 inches was plenty, it won’t work in this case 😂
I’ve only tried to back it up once and that was the first day I brought it home. Plus it was dark outside so I’m sure that didn’t help.

That being said, even if I can get an extra foot that would probably go a long ways. I greatly appreciate your help @DLC
 

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As @DLC has noted pull the drywall and you will see the structure and space available. My bet is that you have a shear-wall there taking much of the space on both sides. If you do and do not have any space in addition then you will have to come up with some way to engineer how to carry the load. If you do have the space move the sheer-wall and get a wider header.

Or you could just do what my grandfather did 40 years ago. Just pull the structure out and hope it fall. In his case the head and roof only sagged 1.5 inches. SMH.

Good luck. 👍
 

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Are you planning on permiting it? As HNL.. mentioned, there's likely shear panels there and that will become a real factor w/ the city if permiting.

If paying contractors for turnkey project
Non permited...$6-8k
Permited...$10k + ish
 

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Are you planning on permiting it? As HNL.. mentioned, there's likely shear panels there and that will become a real factor w/ the city if permiting.

If paying contractors for turnkey project
Non permited...$6-8k
Permited...$10k + ish
My garage is tight…like 2.5” on each side of the x flight. Drive dropped and a swing away tongue that was done exactly to spec to fit in the garage.

Looked into doing this 2 years ago and raising the door by another panel so Bimini would clear (I have to take it down every time…).

Three separate quotes we’re all in excess of 20k. That was a nope… after 2 1/2 seasons of backing into that garage on a busy road, it’s not a big thing anymore, and I can’t justify the cost.
 
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I want to do the same at my house, but the concrete stem wall comes right to the edge of the door ftame, so I’m not sure what you do in this case. Cut it back?
 

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Not sure if they use these in Havasu like we do in CA. But if there is a Simpson panel. Moving it would be big money.
 

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after 2 1/2 seasons of backing into that garage on a busy road, it’s not a big thing anymore, and I can’t justify the cost.

Boating for years with friends a few houses up from us makes it look easy on the busy street. Got our boat last year and there is a little learning curve. Only issue was the asshole (no a skinny tire one) decided to go around as I started to back up. Bottom line after one year of doing it it is not a big deal like Joel noted. I just look at it that it is a boating community and if anyone gets upset with you trying your best and being a dick…..they are just pissed because you are out boating and they are not.

Best of luck with the direction that you take. 👍
 

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Not sure if they use these in Havasu like we do in CA. But if there is a Simpson panel. Moving it would be big money.
They do use those. The issue is if they have that there now without any other spacing. That is the case when we built our garage. We maxed it out with no additional space on the side with the sheer-wall to make the opening as large as possible. But if you look we could have gotten closer on the right side. This could have been opened up and moved over but then the garage door would have been a custom size. The opening is maxed out because the garage steps back a couple of times because of the angle of our lot.

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I want to do the same at my house, but the concrete stem wall comes right to the edge of the door ftame, so I’m not sure what you do in this case. Cut it back?
Yeah, just cut it back. The GC screwed things up while forming our stem walls so they cut out after and patched others. Just the Havasu way, close enough is good until it is too late. We will hack it up later to patch it up right. Just like each time it rains the front foot gets waster under the garage doors. Still considering the fix. They are talking about cutting out a portion of the driveway. The issue is I have no confidence that they can do it and not look like a bandaid to the issue.
 

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I want to do the same at my house, but the concrete stem wall comes right to the edge of the door ftame, so I’m not sure what you do in this case. Cut it back?
Yes, cut, jack hammer to surface and grind smooth or demo below surface and float mortar to surface.
 

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They do use those. The issue is if they have that there now without any other spacing. That is the case when we built our garage. We maxed it out with no additional space on the side with the sheer-wall to make the opening as large as possible. But if you look we could have gotten closer on the right side. This could have been opened up and moved over but then the garage door would have been a custom size. The opening is maxed out because the garage steps back a couple of times because of the angle of our lot.

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Not sure if they use these in Havasu like we do in CA. But if there is a Simpson panel. Moving it would be big money.
More of an engineering call out. Could use 4x4 hss tubing w beam/etc. just depends on engineering.
 

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Hss tubing w some buckets and a lam beam prob would suffice
 

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I would like to do it with permits. As stated before, if the price is excessive I cannot justify it for convenience. At the end of the day the whole purpose of this garage is for the boat.

It’s just a pain in the ass paying for storage in the off-season while the snowbirds are there.

This thread has been very informative. I’m now going down the rabbit hole of construction methods and learning about things I never would have (shear-walls). I thank everyone for their input.
 

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Do yourself a favor, cut the drywall on one side about 1' off the floor from door to corner. See what's in there. Send me a message if you need it patched later.
 

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Push come to shove just to make it fit by 🤏 much.....perhaps just take the side plates off, knock that stucco off and stucco patch a round corner flush to inner sill/stud. That'd buy you min 3 inches, maybe 4.
 

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Do yourself a favor, cut the drywall on one side about 1' off the floor from door to corner. See what's in there. Send me a message if you need it patched later.

I won’t be back until May. I will do that then. Thank you!
 

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If you have the Simpson panel or other, you'll have to hire a structural engineer. New homes aren't built like the old ones. Cheapest way to go about it would be to peel some of the drywall back like others have stated.
 

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If you have the Simpson panel or other, you'll have to hire a structural engineer. New homes aren't built like the old ones. Cheapest way to go about it would be to peel some of the drywall back like others have stated.

I will do that 👍🏻

Hopefully it works out.
 
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