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crzy2bealive

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What do you guys think of this situation I’m going through with my contractor.

Bathroom is framed for window, but no window in sight. Window is in the plans.

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This is his response when I asked him.

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My response

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Shit all the things I caught that he would have had to fix later saved him money.

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Small issue with a crappy response. If it were me I would pay the $150 and keep your contractor happy. I’m sure you will have bigger issues as you get further in the build. Save your fight for that. Just my opinion.
 

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that’s what I would do.. and I’d bring him donuts when I brought the 150 lol
Small issue with a crappy response. If it were me I would pay the $150 and keep your contractor happy. I’m sure you will have bigger issues as you get further in the build. Save your fight for that. Just my opinion.
I guess I’m just thinking of all the other things I had him fix because he forgot or failed to tell his subs.

What if I didn’t catch this and stucco and tile was on already. Who would pay for that fix?


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Small issue with a crappy response. If it were me I would pay the $150 and keep your contractor happy. I’m sure you will have bigger issues as you get further in the build. Save your fight for that. Just my opinion.
x2. I’m a GC.
The window isn’t clear anymore on the plan. He thought it was gone. You didnt. No reason to tell him to basically get fucked. He said $150 for window, fair price. Shit happens. Put him out like that for something small he’s going to remember it later when u need a favor. If someone replied to me as the GC like that in an email I would definitely make mental note that next time he’s asking for a change I’ll make sure not to give any time or fee for free.

That’s why I only do referral business and work with people I want to. Don’t need owners making an already hard career, more stressful. Pick your teams wisely it makes all the difference.
 

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x2. I’m a GC.
The window isn’t clear anymore on the plan. He thought it was gone. You didnt. No reason to tell him to basically get fucked. He said $150 for window, fair price. Shit happens. Put him out like that for something small he’s going to remember it later when u need a favor. If someone replied to me as the GC like that in an email I would definitely make mental note that next time he’s asking for a change I’ll make sure not to give any time or fee for free.

That’s why I only do referral business and work with people I want to. Don’t need owners making an already hard career, more stressful. Pick your teams wisely it makes all the difference.
I don’t expect anything free. I’ll pay for it, if it’s an add from the original contract. What I don’t want to have to do is continually point out things that are wrong and than have someone give me some crappy answer. Like, “oh there not done yet” Am I not the customer?

I could have toned it down on the email., but when you have someone who sends passive aggressive emails constantly after asking nicely what’s going on I’m going to choose this battle.


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x2. I’m a GC.
The window isn’t clear anymore on the plan. He thought it was gone. You didnt. No reason to tell him to basically get fucked. He said $150 for window, fair price. Shit happens. Put him out like that for something small he’s going to remember it later when u need a favor. If someone replied to me as the GC like that in an email I would definitely make mental note that next time he’s asking for a change I’ll make sure not to give any time or fee for free.

That’s why I only do referral business and work with people I want to. Don’t need owners making an already hard career, more stressful. Pick your teams wisely it makes all the difference.
That's my thought too.

Although I don't know the entire context here regarding thier relationship. If this is just the straw that broke the back type thing.

But dam I hate these types arguments. I'm in construction as well and reading rid post I instantly sided with the builder lol.
 

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Been here a bit on some builds if you don't stand up to the GC you'lld be getting 150ed the whole time. And as stated 5-6weeks nope not gonna happen. To me that would be his way to deter you away from making it right.

For example this 4×8 piece of concrete cost $400 but GC forgot to add it in the concrete since it was a late add on. Whos fault?
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window is clearly marked on this set of plans. The plan with the handwritten notes when zoomed in, you can see someone drew a line through the window. Had to zoom in to see the black line over where the window should be, but only the note ‘tile shower’, nothing about window delete.

If it was me, I would also be triple checking the plans to make sure nothing else got changed. Plus I am with you, someone changed something without your sign off or notes.
 

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I think you handled it perfectly. Don’t let the guy start to run over you, it won’t stop. My GC’s wouldn’t have even brought up a $150 change. I’ve seen guys that build a house get hosed because the GC doesn’t care about the relationship. You’re one guy, building one house he’s likely never going to do business with you again. If it’s a developer they have a chance of doing more work with they act totally different. Not saying this is always the case but I’ve seen some crazy shit. Like the GC’s dropping six figures worth of change orders on an owner after the project is complete.
 

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Check the date and contents of the window order, maybe it will shed light on the confusion.

On face value, the homeowner is a layperson and is never responsible for a contractor’s poor paperwork. The window should have been removed by a change order, even if that change order was only a text, email or was written on a piece of scrap paper.

This is what happens when the contractor does not stay on his paperwork – it breaks trust and erodes the relationship. And, is the reason why the contractor is responsible for his paperwork; to prevent this from breakdown from happening in the first place.
 

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I'm a GC too and I would've said no problem and stuck a window in there. That's nothing on a large job.

Maybe I would roll my eyes during our phone call, but you'd get the window. A bath should have a window if it is on an exterior wall.
 

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Well he is going to order the window. 6 to 8 weeks.

He said he can’t really move forward on the build without the window.

I just asked him to help me understand why a simple window is going to delay the house. The window opening is already framed in.

Thanks for everyone’s feedback.


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Well he is going to order the window. 6 to 8 weeks.

He said he can’t really move forward on the build without the window.

I just asked him to help me understand why a simple window is going to delay the house. The window opening is already framed in.

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If that window is holding him up and doesn't have 10 other things on the job that need attention then some-ting-wrong with him.
 

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Simonton and JeldWen should have it in two to three weeks. Milgard is seven weeks out.
 

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Just eat the $150 and get the window installed. Also go with tile in the baths and showers fiberglass is crap in the long run.
 

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I have no idea what your relationship with the GC is l, so kind of hard to comment.

As far as the $150 that’s nothing and I would pay it to keep a fire under him.

Assuming there are no more changes or extras moving forward you saved $150.

He’ll get his $$$ back if there are any extras though. Just something to think about.


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Simonton and JeldWen should have it in two to three weeks. Milgard is seven weeks out.
Thanks for that.

He is using Milgard. Had to look at the pictures to see what brand.


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You are going to have a bunch of these types of things come up - people always see things differently even when they are both trying to do the right thing.

The one thing I would not do is post about every issue that comes up - there will be others. Work in good faith and keep the project moving forward.

If the issues get seriously off base then you may have to make a legal issue out of it but those happen very rarely in my experience. And I’m sure you and he both would like to avoid that.

As I tell my kids - it’s not what you say, it’s how you say it that can make the difference every time.
 

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If you as a home owner need to correct the GC, you should keep notes on your conversations and any issues with the GC dates times and what you talked about, if things go south you will have all the ammo to react.

the $150 bucks is nothing now! Having a window for years to come will be priceless!

if you draw the line now, your really going to pay that 10 fold later when the finish phase starts. So keep that in mind.
 

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lol you just increased the rates of anything down the road.

I just did a millgard sliding door in my house and it took like 4 weeks to get.
 

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Here’s the response I’m going to talk to the wifey when she gets home.

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Here’s the response I’m going to talk to the wifey when she gets home.

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We do windows etc as well with our business model. Windows are 12-16 weeks out here...idk about in your area. It's not like its probably some off size window...ply gem is on the shelf at HD right now....

With a response like this I'd be tempted to tell him to fuck himself in no uncertain terms and put him in his place..he works for you right now..not the other way around. However if you do so, your house may get done some time in a year or two and don't expect any favors. I'd never speak like that to a client...ever...even if they were wrong, I probably would fire a rep if they did. It's a simple fix..and he sounds like a condescending prick. Pay the money and move on, or get your money back and move on.

Going to add: It sounds like you guys already have friction, and sometimes it's best to end that relationship before things get worse.
 
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Is it just me, or would this conversation have went better with a phone call rather then text?
I was going to say the same thing. Email conversations can go downhill real quick. Perfect example of that right here in this thread.
 
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I'm guessing there is more to the story.
You might take his offer, relationship is probably going to deteriorate further.
 

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I know you'd like to walk away, but in this market you probably already have equity, and must really like the house and location, so probably best to try to smooth things out. Or not.
 

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I think your email was fine until you typed "Pretty Deceptive". His response was valid since you used that phrase.
Yah in hindsight I should have toned it down.


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I'd kiss his ass all day long. It seems like your stressed out and it is a simple fix. Plans changed from insert to tile in. The contractor is right on this in my opinion.
 

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Lol good for him. He didn’t compromise his quality of work for your schedule.
 

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I'd kiss his ass all day long. It seems like your stressed out and it is a simple fix. Plans changed from insert to tile in. The contractor is right on this in my opinion.
Lol good for him. He didn’t compromise his quality of work for your schedule.
So he failed to order a window and I shouldn’t be mad?


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Well he is going to order the window. 6 to 8 weeks.

He said he can’t really move forward on the build without the window.

I just asked him to help me understand why a simple window is going to delay the house. The window opening is already framed in.

Thanks for everyone’s feedback.


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I'm doing a bathroom remodel right now and being 5,000 miles away while it's happening is frustrating to say the least. I had the same issue with a window being part of the deal, I started insisting on daily picture updates and when i saw no window and the toilet not being moved 12" like we discussed before I left I got pretty pissed off. I was given the same BS of take forever to get, hold up the job etc....I don't care.
Good friend is doing the job and said I didn't understand the logistics of where I wanted things and how they were going to over complicate things.
My house, my money I get what i asked for, end of story, we are cool now after a couple of day's back and forth.

Good luck to you
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Oh boy. I'd bypass the phone calls and texts and have a face to face. There needs to be mutual respect on both sides and right now it reads as if he is basically saying "If you question anything I do I will just drop you as a client and move on." Pretty much, I don't give a fuck, my way or the highway. That's not to say your initial "deceptive" comment didn't beg for a bit of a jaded response, but I believe his is going a bit overboard.

My question would be if he knew ahead of time and believed you signed on for a window delete, then why is it framed for a window?
 

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I predict project delays in your future....
I live down the street from his house that he is building and today there is full crew guys working on the exterior of house today and has been since last week ! I was outside yesterday and had 2 people stop ask me if it was sold yet both with ca license plates . One said he had cash in hand and couldn’t find something that was being built that wasn’t sold , could been just talking shit who knows .
 

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First the window was deleted *auth* with initials...

Then it was his fault for missing it on the draftmans plan because ? His 30 years screwing people over?

Just the mention of another mistake (obviously CTBA mentioned many other things that were missed and HE caught, saving the GC time and money) probably set this guy off, now he's expected to be more of a cunt and purposely delay the build, and ADD change order charges?

Most of you told him to just suck it up in the face of obvious incompetence, other wise he'll get the shaft....that's ok?

So contractors get a pass because they build houses, boat and auto techs are thieves when we get caught doing this shit....:mad:
 

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So he failed to order a window and I shouldn’t be mad?


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Is being mad helping you or hurting you? Shit happens, it's a small incovinence in the big picture.
I don't know when you two agreed to the change, but it doesn't matter for the $150. He's losing money by reframing.
 

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After reading more info included. I’d say you probably picked the wrong GC for your investment. It’s not going to turn around now and be a positive experience without a sit down.

I wouldn’t have cried about the window as the GC and probably just figured it out. but if u want a matching Milgard window that’s not off the shelf I’d think 10 weeks is about right. I’m waiting for 5 months now on residential vinyl windows on my project and they are still a month away. Blaming Covid delays at factory. It has my plaster about 3 months behind shedule. But we are just doing everything else inside that we can get done in mean time.
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Sounds like the GC was building this as a spec build to sell, you jumped on early and now are making some changes adding personal touches to your new home, things will slip thru the cracks, especially if everyone is super busy. Making changes during these busy times can cause delays like extended lead time on orders.

look thru your plans ASK questions and make sure you discuss what your expectations are with the GC and what the finished product will be
 

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Is being mad helping you or hurting you? Shit happens, it's a small incovinence in the big picture.
I don't know when you two agreed to the change, but it doesn't matter for the $150. He's losing money by reframing.
It’s framed already

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Sorry had to scroll through build pics


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Lol ahh this is going to go well.

Devils advocate. Was the plan to do a full tile wall with no window?

Or full height fiberglass shower insert?


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