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It’s not as simple as Splashing a hull. If this was say Howard splashing the hull and changed the top making it a howard, then so be it.
With the purchase of Hallett , included anything and everything Hallett. Not just the molds that existed.
The problem I see is Jerry would have been spanked introducing the 242 attempting to steal back the business his family sold. Now the “partners” introduce as if they have the rights to it, they all had Barron HIN so Barron is Hallett, Hallett is Barron. Not so once company is sold.
If they want Hallett back then buy it, simple as that. Hell they would increase sales, have real boats to offer, and very likely out pace hallett sales under Davis. Win win for all.
Marketing it as legend returns,teak floors we are known for, the list goes on, are all known as hallett specific. And then stumble on your own words saying 242 Hall… uh I messed up, not even attempting to create your own

Anyone defending Barron on this has clearly never owned or sold a business.
Let’s say In n Out purchased original Tommy’s. Both well known companies. Now under one parent company. It’s a I don’t care, I love it, I hate it situation. Years pass and in n out says hey if your interested we would entertain selling Tommy’s.
Meantime the son starts a company and calls it original Tommy’s 2.0 and duplicates marketing of parents business and basically saying we’re back! ya think in n out should just be like that’s cool good luck.

All good points. But the 240 was a defunct model and Davis had plenty of opportunities to bring the model back under the Hallett name. It wasn’t like it was still available form Davis and they copied it, therefore I don’t see an issue.

Perhaps the marketing could have been better and need to get rid of the guy on the video, sounded like an idiot.
 

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It’s not as simple as Splashing a hull. If this was say Howard splashing the hull and changed the top making it a howard, then so be it.
With the purchase of Hallett , included anything and everything Hallett. Not just the molds that existed.
The problem I see is Jerry would have been spanked introducing the 242 attempting to steal back the business his family sold. Now the “partners” introduce as if they have the rights to it, they all had Barron HIN so Barron is Hallett, Hallett is Barron. Not so once company is sold.
If they want Hallett back then buy it, simple as that. Hell they would increase sales, have real boats to offer, and very likely out pace hallett sales under Davis. Win win for all.
Marketing it as legend returns,teak floors we are known for, the list goes on, are all known as hallett specific. And then stumble on your own words saying 242 Hall… uh I messed up, not even attempting to create your own

Anyone defending Barron on this has clearly never owned or sold a business.
Let’s say In n Out purchased original Tommy’s. Both well known companies. Now under one parent company. It’s a I don’t care, I love it, I hate it situation. Years pass and in n out says hey if your interested we would entertain selling Tommy’s.
Meantime the son starts a company and calls it original Tommy’s 2.0 and duplicates marketing of parents business and basically saying we’re back! ya think in n out should just be like that’s cool good luck.

The 240 was crushed in the mid 2000s. I’m not sure what judge is going to rule in favor that Barron is stealing proprietary designs from Davis boats when the design was destroyed before they took ownership.

Designs aren’t protected forever especially copyrights unless they are actively maintained with proper paperwork etc. I highly doubt that was done.

The last produced Hallett/Barron 240 was completed 20ish years ago.

Davis boats got in hot water copying a skater bottom and I believe they have to now pay a royalty if they produce that bottom. Maybe that’s where this would head because the 255 shares a similar bottom?
 

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The 240 was crushed in the mid 2000s. I’m not sure what judge is going to rule in favor that Barron is stealing proprietary designs from Davis boats when the design was destroyed before they took ownership.

Designs aren’t protected forever especially copyrights unless they are actively maintained with proper paperwork etc. I highly doubt that was done.

The last produced Hallett/Barron 240 was completed 20ish years ago.

Davis boats got in hot water copying a skater bottom and I believe they have to now pay a royalty if they produce that bottom. Maybe that’s where this would head because the 255 shares a similar bottom?
Davis owns everything hallett new and OLD. Like everything. whether he builds one or not is his business. He could literally take a chain saw to every mold and say fuck em all, I’ll hold the name and burn it to the ground. He still owns it all. He wouldn’t and clearly has the funds to protect his investment into the brand. What if he was considering making the 240 top as an option?

Speculating why it shouldn’t matter is exactly that, speculating.

Now imagine If Davis straight duplicated a skater, top and bottom, changed the vents and called it a retakS. You think that would be a bigger problem? Yet you defend Barrons actions. lol
 

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Davis owns everything hallett new and OLD. Like everything. whether he builds one or not is his business. He could literally take a chain saw to every mold and say fuck em all, I’ll hold the name and burn it to the ground. He still owns it all. He wouldn’t and clearly has the funds to protect his investment into the brand. What if he was considering making the 240 top as an option?

Speculating why it shouldn’t matter is exactly that, speculating.

Now imagine If Davis straight duplicated a skater, top and bottom, changed the vents and called it a retakS. You think that would be a bigger problem? Yet you defend Barrons actions. lol
There is nothing stopping Davis for making a 240 deck for the 255 hull and calling it a 240 by Hallett. What Davis owns is the 240 name, as there was no hull/deck mold for it when Hallett sold to Davis.
 

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There is nothing stopping Davis for making a 240 deck for the 255 hull and calling it a 240 by Hallett. What Davis owns is the 240 name, as there was no hull/deck mold for it when Hallett sold to Davis.
Of course there is nothing stopping him from doing what ever the fuck he wants. There is how ever something stopping others from making his boats.
your assuming what he owns, has rights to, etc…..
If you don’t see that, then don’t 🤷‍♂️ lol
 

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Davis owns everything hallett new and OLD. Like everything. whether he builds one or not is his business. He could literally take a chain saw to every mold and say fuck em all, I’ll hold the name and burn it to the ground. He still owns it all. He wouldn’t and clearly has the funds to protect his investment into the brand. What if he was considering making the 240 top as an option?

Speculating why it shouldn’t matter is exactly that, speculating.

Now imagine If Davis straight duplicated a skater, top and bottom, changed the vents and called it a retakS. You think that would be a bigger problem? Yet you defend Barrons actions. lol
I’m not trying to defend anyone. Selfishly I’m glad someone is building the 240 again. Customers have wanted it ever since it was destroyed and boat company owners have refused to build it lol.

But my point was on paper the 242 is a “different” boat. New name, “new” design etc etc. Davis doesn’t have any tooling to bring to court to say hey that’s our stuff. Other than the 255 bottom, which is definitely something.

Like you mentioned it’s even more complicated when the parties building the 242 today were not involved in the sale of Hallett. So they have plausible deniability.

I’ve never heard of any business being sold and being granted rights to copyrights and tooling of past and present without certified copyrights to designs or physical tooling in hand.

Edit. Also how does it work when Hallett boats were all built by a corporation named Barron? Since Hallett was and is just a name today, was “Hallett” purchased or was “Barron Boats” purchased? Just sounds like another legal loop hole someone could jump through.
 

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Going back to the Way back machine didn’t eliminator have a model called the 242? So does that mean eliminator can sue Barron also?🤣 if a boat has a pointy front and a boat tail rear end doesn’t mean anyone can suit anyone for a design.😊

It seems to me the new Hallet had plenty of time to build a new 240 to appease the masses, but decided not to.

Barron took the risk to build a new mold and is hoping it will pay off for them. Is it possible they asked permission before proceeding?🤷‍♂️
 

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Davis owns everything hallett new and OLD. Like everything. whether he builds one or not is his business. He could literally take a chain saw to every mold and say fuck em all, I’ll hold the name and burn it to the ground. He still owns it all. He wouldn’t and clearly has the funds to protect his investment into the brand. What if he was considering making the 240 top as an option?

Speculating why it shouldn’t matter is exactly that, speculating.

Now imagine If Davis straight duplicated a skater, top and bottom, changed the vents and called it a retakS. You think that would be a bigger problem? Yet you defend Barrons actions. lol
I bet Randy doesn't give a shit. Deck boats are all the rage. They invest in and build what people want/order. Sadly the custom V market is not what it once was.
 

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Going back to the Way back machine didn’t eliminator have a model called the 242? So does that mean eliminator can sue Barron also?🤣 if a boat has a pointy front and a boat tail rear end doesn’t mean anyone can suit anyone for a design.😊

It seems to me the new Hallet had plenty of time to build a new 240 to appease the masses, but decided not to.

Barron took the risk to build a new mold and is hoping it will pay off for them. Is it possible they asked permission before proceeding?🤷‍♂️
Since everyone is a lawyer, what legal action can I take?😂
 

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I think Davis dropped the ball by not gauging the interest and realizing that the 240 is a freaking Classic and used to be the boat that us poor folk could aspire to own one day. They should have cranked them out the minute they bought Hallett.

I loved mine. Rides like a tank and so freaking roomy.
 

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And we wonder why people don’t share their new builds.
Yep! There’s so many “I’ve never done it, BUT, you’re doing it wrong!” types that come out of the woodwork in these and the restoration threads. Sad really, that there are people so miserable in their own life that it spills over into others. I guess that’s just the way of the interweb.
 

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All good points. But the 240 was a defunct model and Davis had plenty of opportunities to bring the model back under the Hallett name. It wasn’t like it was still available form Davis and they copied it, therefore I don’t see an issue.

Perhaps the marketing could have been better and need to get rid of the guy on the video, sounded like an idiot.
Thane/New Regime would build a 240 or 300. You’d have to be the 1st to pay for the mold to be built. It was just a phone call or Check away.

I was going to build a new 300 until I found mine.

EDIT: a lot of you are assuming Hallett wouldn’t build a 240. Have you ever called and asked? They will build you whatever you want to pay for.

Why would anyone invest in building a new mold to only sell two a year? Where is the ROI for the business owner?

Congratulations to the new owner. I truly hope you and your family are happy for years to come. At the end of the day, that’s all that really matters. Enjoying family time on the lake…
 
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Thane/New Regime would build a 240 or 300. You’d have to be the 1st to pay for the mold to be built. It was just a phone call or Check away.

I was going to build a new 300 until I found mine.

EDIT: a lot of you are assuming Hallett wouldn’t build a 240. Have you ever called and asked? They will build you whatever you want to pay for.

Why would invest building a new mold to o my sell two a year? Where is the ROI for the business owner?

Congratulations to the new owner. I truly hope you and your family are happy for years to come. At the end of the day, that’s all that really matters. Enjoying family time on the lake…
They would sell you a 335 with a Plexi wind shield or a 255 before investing the man power. Money isn't the issue. It is manpower. I have talked to Randy many times. He said there is not enough demand for it to make sense.
 

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very interesting thread. We are fans of the brand and currently have a Hallett 210 and a 255. To me a 255 is an updated version of the 240.
 

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very interesting thread. We are fans of the brand and currently have a Hallett 210 and a 255. To me a 255 is an updated version of the 240.
This I agree with. I’m a fan of the Hallett brand and those that support the owners,. New and old.
 

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They would sell you a 335 with a Plexi wind shield or a 255 before investing the man power. Money isn't the issue. It is manpower. I have talked to Randy many times. He said there is not enough demand for it to make sense.

Valid points. This makes a lot of the people saying Hallett should have built a 240 when they acquired the company mute. Why would you bring back an outdated design that you’d lose money on?

After seeing the 335 at Mead with an updated windshield I’m a fan and if I were to upgrade that would be the next boat.


I come from a point of where the current owners of Hallett supported my event and offered all kinds of support.

Where the old regime kind of told me, we want nothing to do with you or us(Hallett Owners) Good luck. Was disappointing to hear at the time.
 

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Just was at Nordic talked with thane. Walked the shop they have alot of boats going right now cat and v hull.
 

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very interesting thread. We are fans of the brand and currently have a Hallett 210 and a 255. To me a 255 is an updated version of the 240.
Then I don’t think anyone should or would care if someone is making a 240. (242) Me personally I wanted a 240 when we built our boat. I was told it wasn’t possible but I could build a 255. The 255 has grown on me quite a bit but the og 240 reminds me of being a kid on a friends boat and that memory means something to me.
 

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What is an outdated design. My family still uses a 70’s 21’ day cruiser. A 335 for us is unrealistically large. I personally think a new 240 would be great. But i like old school. I wish someone would splash a spectra 24 xs. The new boat looks nice. To each their own , not my money.
 

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Thane/New Regime would build a 240 or 300. You’d have to be the 1st to pay for the mold to be built. It was just a phone call or Check away.

I was going to build a new 300 until I found mine.

EDIT: a lot of you are assuming Hallett wouldn’t build a 240. Have you ever called and asked? They will build you whatever you want to pay for.

Why would anyone invest in building a new mold to only sell two a year? Where is the ROI for the business owner?

Congratulations to the new owner. I truly hope you and your family are happy for years to come. At the end of the day, that’s all that really matters. Enjoying family time on the lake…
I’m sure they would have but have you heard the saying, “build it and they will come”? If Davis thought it wasn't worth the upfront cost to build a mold to sell one, then this is a moot point. Someone did and guess what, they sold one and who knows how many more from the show.
 

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I’d prefer a smaller boat for all the usual reasons, but the advantage of the 335 and 400 is, you never have to worry about getting back tot the ramp when the wind kicks up. It’s never a question.

If we had the room, I’d consider adding a 210 or 240 (242) and keeping the big boat. Still wanting to see more 285s rolling out the door or coming up for sale.
 

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Wasn’t the last 240 built around 2004? That was during one of the hottest markets ever for Hallett and most West Coast boat builders, yet they still discontinued it. If nobody stepped up to build one between 2005 and 2008, when demand was booming, why would we expect a surge of interest 20 years later?

The representative for Barron in that video was kind of asking for a lawsuit. Should have made zero reference whatsoever to Hallett.

Regardless of it all, beautiful boat and congrats to the owners.
 
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Wasn’t the last 240 built around 2004? That was during one of the hottest markets ever for Hallett and most West Coast boat builders, yet they still discontinued it. If nobody stepped up to build one between 2005 and 2008, when demand was booming, why would we expect a surge of interest 20 years later?

The representative for Barron in that video was kind of asking for a lawsuit. Should have made zero reference whatsoever to Hallett.

Regardless of it all, beautiful boat and congrats to the owners.
Like with a lot of things, “What’s old is new again”. Retro is cool!
 

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Wasn’t the last 240 built around 2004? That was during one of the hottest markets ever for Hallett and most West Coast boat builders, yet they still discontinued it. If nobody stepped up to build one between 2005 and 2008, when demand was booming, why would we expect a surge of interest 20 years later?

The representative for Barron in that video was kind of asking for a lawsuit. Should have made zero reference whatsoever to Hallett.

Regardless of it all, beautiful boat and congrats to the owners.

They built the 255 molds and crushed the 240 molds. I think the desire for the 240 never went away. But the 255 would have struggled to sell having the 240 still as an option.
 

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They built the 255 molds and crushed the 240 molds. I think the desire for the 240 never went away. But the 255 would have struggled to sell having the 240 still as an option.
My thoughts exactly. Hallett was kind of like trident in the aspect that they tell you what you want rather than you tell them what you want. I believe that was the deal with the 240 and 255
 

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My thoughts exactly. Hallett was kind of like trident in the aspect that they tell you what you want rather than you tell them what you want. I believe that was the deal with the 240 and 255
That was Jerry. Build you a custom boat the way he wanted to build it. Just a fight to get what you wanted. Nick fought my parents on doing the dash/cockpit white and the flip up on the windshield. Pretty much every Hallett since has a white cockpit and flip up windshield.
 

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That was Jerry. Build you a custom boat the way he wanted to build it. Just a fight to get what you wanted. Nick fought my parents on doing the dash/cockpit white and the flip up on the windshield. Pretty much every Hallett since has a white cockpit and flip up windshield.
So many stories of that kind of mentality from Hallett. Back in the day, I remember a ski race boat that had "special thanks to Oompa Loompa custom boats" painted on the back of the boat after their experience :).
 

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So to come full circle here it’s irrelevant who would win in court..

At this point it would be cheaper for Barron to just buy Hallett than pay lawyers against Randy..

At least they come away with tangible assets instead of legal bills.

RD
 

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People say that, but the bottom on my two Vectors is different from the Schiada that I had. I think the Vector is a Bud Bailey design.
Not according to the guys at Schiada. They say it was splashed and then all of the abnormalities were 'fixed" by Hallett. There is an interview on youtube where they talk about it. The interview was posted on this site not that long ago.


Starts at the 31:00 minute mark
 
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So to come full circle here it’s irrelevant who would win in court..

At this point it would be cheaper for Barron to just buy Hallett than pay lawyers against Randy..

At least they come away with tangible assets instead of legal bills.

RD
So how cheap are they willing to sell it for?
 

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Not according to the guys at Schiada. They say it was splashed and then all of the abnormalities were 'fixed" by Hallett. There is an interview on youtube where they talk about it. The interview was posted on this site not that long ago.

That has been a story for decades and I even repeated it myself a few times.

They are different though. Schiada has a lot more entry than a vector
 

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That has been a story for decades and I even repeated it myself a few times.

They are different though. Schiada has a lot more entry than a vector
Just trying to understand what Stan was talking about in that recent taped interview. He said it was splashed but significant changes were made to the hull, which ended up being the Vector.


Starts at the 31:00 minute mark
 
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" significant changes" could mean many things such as alterations to the shape of the keel, moving the rocker point, removing the hook to altering the dimensions and or location of the strakes......aka...refinements to an already good working hull but improved for the future generation of that particular design.
Does the Vector out perform the Shiada in any significant way?
 

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While we are at it, let's talk about the Howard 22 and Vaughn 22.......same boat....different names. It was also said the 22 Howard was a shortened 24 Schiada.
 
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