Lake Havasu Boatshow 2015!

[Sbarry]

Some of the boat manufacturers could take a lesson from Conquest here.. They managed to find a new fuel fill that isn't terrible looking and is EPA compliant. All the other mfg's are using the same chrome plated plastic cheezy looking ones.

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RD

So I completely agree the plastic cap I HAVE is pretty cheesy looking... But this one seems very busy. At least there are some folks working on a better design, cuz something needs to change about these EPA compliant caps

 

[Shortdeck]

So I completely agree the plastic cap I HAVE is pretty cheesy looking... But this one seems very busy. At least there are some folks working on a better design, cuz something needs to change about these EPA compliant caps

I have the same gas cap. The trim ring around the outside is optional. Looks much better than the other caps with the red fuel logo, IMO.

 

[Shortdeck]

Hey RD any more info on this boat from Domn8er?

Domn8er has had that boat in their inventory for a few years. I was interested in it, but the wife and I decided on the 22 Deck.

 

[jesco]

Dammmmmit !!!!!! I searched high and low for an alternative when Bob was building my 22 deck (pics in this thread) Bob told me there was nothing out there that was EPA compliant...... I told him put something in that isn't, that cap is HIDEOUS!!!! He said he couldn't, had to be that cap or he could get in trouble. Anybody know who the manufacture is??? Next time my boat comes home they're getting changed out!!!!!

Great pics RD

 

[Boschma]

Great coverage RD! Looks like a good time

 

[JB in so cal]

As were walking the show with friends, we find a couple things being sold that totally pissed us off.

#1 the upside down ski vest RD showed in his boat show pics. How many of us have used an upside down vest as a floatie? Sonfabitch!!! That should have been my idea:grumble:

#2 at one of the Lilly pad(floating pads) vendors, they were selling a cup holder with big screw threads that go in to the ends of large noodles. So when you're floating and have the noodle under you with one of the ends right in front of you, rest your beer on top of the noodle. This thing screws into the end of the noodle to provide a safe spot for your beer. Sonofafuckingbitch!!! I've been holding my beer on top of the noodle for years...:grumble:

Fuck

And , fuck again!!!

 

[RiverDave]

So I completely agree the plastic cap I HAVE is pretty cheesy looking... But this one seems very busy. At least there are some folks working on a better design, cuz something needs to change about these EPA compliant caps

I have the same gas cap. The trim ring around the outside is optional. Looks much better than the other caps with the red fuel logo, IMO.

Correct that secondary ring is just a beauty ring. You could do something a lot simpler. I like the way it looks though.

Dammmmmit !!!!!! I searched high and low for an alternative when Bob was building my 22 deck (pics in this thread) Bob told me there was nothing out there that was EPA compliant...... I told him put something in that isn't, that cap is HIDEOUS!!!! He said he couldn't, had to be that cap or he could get in trouble. Anybody know who the manufacture is??? Next time my boat comes home they're getting changed out!!!!!

Great pics RD

Looks like Perko makes another one that is similar looking to the 3 bolt hole pattern deal. I'm not sure if they make that one pictured above. I can ask Candy or Jody and find out? There is other options out there though then that cheezy ratching POS everyone is using.

http://www.perko.com/catalog/fills_and_vents/468/fuel_water_&_unmarked_fills_for_pipe/

 

[jesco]

Correct that secondary ring is just a beauty ring. You could do something a lot simpler. I like the way it looks though.



Looks like Perko makes another one that is similar looking to the 3 bolt hole pattern deal. I'm not sure if they make that one pictured above. I can ask Candy or Jody and find out? There is other options out there though then that cheezy ratching POS everyone is using.

http://www.perko.com/catalog/fills_and_vents/468/fuel_water_&_unmarked_fills_for_pipe/

That Perko you linked doesn't meet the new laws from what I was told.

Copy and pasted from Perkos site on the cap installed on my boat....
CARB and EPA requirements of U.S.C.G. Safety Standards (July 31, 2011) for 40 CFR parts 9, 60, 80 et al. Control of Diurnal Emissions from Nonroad Spark-Ignition Engines and Equipment.

It's my understanding they have to meet CARB and EPA and have to have the "Complaint Sealed Cap with Vacuum/Over Pressure Relief Valve"

 

[Sbarry]

That Perko you linked doesn't meet the new laws from what I was told.

Copy and pasted from Perkos site on the cap installed on my boat....
CARB and EPA requirements of U.S.C.G. Safety Standards (July 31, 2011) for 40 CFR parts 9, 60, 80 et al. Control of Diurnal Emissions from Nonroad Spark-Ignition Engines and Equipment.

It's my understanding they have to meet CARB and EPA and have to have the "Complaint Sealed Cap with Vacuum/Over Pressure Relief Valve"

I was looking as well because I can't stand how the plastic chrome thing looks, but failed to find a good alternative. Let me know if you find anything. There are nicer CARB/ EPA compliant caps from Perko, but I don't think the one pictured above is Perko... At least I can't find it on their site.

BTW Jesco: your 22 came out badass!! Congrats! [emoji106]

 

[jesco]

I was looking as well because I can't stand how the plastic chrome thing looks, but failed to find a good alternative. Let me know if you find anything. There are nicer CARB/ EPA compliant caps from Perko, but I don't think the one pictured above is Perko... At least I can't find it on their site.

BTW Jesco: your 22 came out badass!! Congrats! [emoji106]

Yeah the one RD posted is definitely not Perko, all I ever found that met all the required laws was the ugly one on both our boats. I told Bob there has to be something else and he said not one that complies for new boats. Maybe this one complies, really like to find the manufacture and spec on it.

Thanks SBarry, very happy with it. Pretty impressive for a "stock" powered jet, 71 mph with 3 adults, 2 kids, full ice chest and roughly 60 gallons of fuel

 

[Sbarry]

Yeah the one RD posted is definitely not Perko, all I ever found that met all the required laws was the ugly one on both our boats. I told Bob there has to be something else and he said not one that complies for new boats. Maybe this one complies, really like to find the manufacture and spec on it.

Thanks SBarry, very happy with it. Pretty impressive for a "stock" powered jet, 71 mph with 3 adults, 2 kids, full ice chest and roughly 60 gallons of fuel

"Stock" huh?! LOL yea those are very impressive numbers!!

 

[Gelcoater]

It's an Eagle. The Edge was a mod VP boat they built back in the day. I think it's a 250, but it might be a 236..

RD

Actually Dave,the Edge was a series like the Eagle line.
They had the 234 you're thinking of as well as a 242,207 and a couple others.
Not all were mod vp's.

 

[RiverDave]

That Perko you linked doesn't meet the new laws from what I was told.

Copy and pasted from Perkos site on the cap installed on my boat....
CARB and EPA requirements of U.S.C.G. Safety Standards (July 31, 2011) for 40 CFR parts 9, 60, 80 et al. Control of Diurnal Emissions from Nonroad Spark-Ignition Engines and Equipment.

It's my understanding they have to meet CARB and EPA and have to have the "Complaint Sealed Cap with Vacuum/Over Pressure Relief Valve"

Yeah the one RD posted is definitely not Perko, all I ever found that met all the required laws was the ugly one on both our boats. I told Bob there has to be something else and he said not one that complies for new boats. Maybe this one complies, really like to find the manufacture and spec on it.

Thanks SBarry, very happy with it. Pretty impressive for a "stock" powered jet, 71 mph with 3 adults, 2 kids, full ice chest and roughly 60 gallons of fuel

I'll call Conquest in the morning and find out who makes it.. I can tell you with absolute certainty it is a sealed gas cap and does meet the EPA rules. I untwisted that thing at the boat show and WWWWHHHOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHH all the compressed gas came out.. It kinda took me by surprise.

Seems dangerous as shit to me to have pressurized fuel cells, and massive amounts of fuel vapor escaping as soon as you open the thing, but what do I know. The EPA is always right.

Candy at Conquest actually gave me the #'s of fuel capacity % lost because of having to fit all the new EPA bullshit etc.. It's legit. The only reason why I think that one might be a perko is because it appears to have that same 3 hole pattern as the ones on the perko site. It might not be online for some reason, but it's legit, or conquest wouldn't use it. Not worth the risk on the fines.



RD

 

[RiverDave]

Actually Dave,the Edge was a series like the Eagle line.
They had the 234 you're thinking of as well as a 242,207 and a couple others.
Not all were mod vp's.

Strangely we were out on the water today, and I saw an Eliminator Edge Vee.. and I was going to come back and post that in this thread tonight. The only edge's I've ever seen (before today) were the smaller mod vp deals.

RD

 

[Sbarry]

I'll call Conquest in the morning and find out who makes it.. I can tell you with absolute certainty it is a sealed gas cap and does meet the EPA rules. I untwisted that thing at the boat show and WWWWHHHOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHH all the compressed gas came out.. It kinda took me by surprise.

Seems dangerous as shit to me to have pressurized fuel cells, and massive amounts of fuel vapor escaping as soon as you open the thing, but what do I know. The EPA is always right.

Candy at Conquest actually gave me the #'s of fuel capacity % lost because of having to fit all the new EPA bullshit etc.. It's legit. The only reason why I think that one might be a perko is because it appears to have that same 3 hole pattern as the ones on the perko site. It might not be online for some reason, but it's legit, or conquest wouldn't use it. Not worth the risk on the fines.



RD

I haven't got the "WHHHOOOSSSHHH" yet...

 

[RiverDave]

I haven't got the "WHHHOOOSSSHHH" yet...

Oh wait till you do.. I took a step back and was like WHAT THE FUCK!! LOL I had never opened a gas cap on one of these new systems yet.. Let alone one that had been sitting in the son all day. It was quite a bit of vapor coming out of that thing it went on for 2 - 3 seconds and was an amazing amount of volume.

RD

 

[Sbarry]

Shouldn't the tank vent let the pressurized fumes out? That seems insanely dangerous. I'm no mechanic so that might be a dumb question. LOL

 

[RiverDave]

Shouldn't the tank vent let the pressurized fumes out? That seems insanely dangerous. I'm no mechanic so that might be a dumb question. LOL

Don't ask me.. All the new fuel systems are "sealed" and do in fact build positive pressure in the heat. The only thing the vent does at this point is (somehow I'm not sure how?) allow gas to escape while you are filling the tank. (At least that's what Candy told me after I opened that thing and took a step back with a WTF?)

After it's in there it's a sealed program, which to me seems f'n crazy, but that's what it is. If for some reason you do open then cap before the motor drains the fuel and creates a balanced environment, the WHHHHOOOOOOSSSSHHHHHH.

Gas by itself won't light off a cigarette... Fuel vapor I'm not sure if it will or won't, but it's a LOT MORE flammable (and explosive) then liquid fuel. I was pretty damn thankful I wasn't smoking a cigarette when I opened that thing.

RD

 

[shueman]

I'm a big fan of this 22' Deck...def a LR Junkies boat...:thumbsup

 

[ka0tyk]

Don't ask me.. All the new fuel systems are "sealed" and do in fact build positive pressure in the heat. The only thing the vent does at this point is (somehow I'm not sure how?) allow gas to escape while you are filling the tank. (At least that's what Candy told me after I opened that thing and took a step back with a WTF?)

After it's in there it's a sealed program, which to me seems f'n crazy, but that's what it is. If for some reason you do open then cap before the motor drains the fuel and creates a balanced environment, the WHHHHOOOOOOSSSSHHHHHH.

Gas by itself won't light off a cigarette... Fuel vapor I'm not sure if it will or won't, but it's a LOT MORE flammable (and explosive) then liquid fuel. I was pretty damn thankful I wasn't smoking a cigarette when I opened that thing.

RD

its only a matter of time before they incorporate charcoal cannisters and evap purge systems into boat fuel tanks to recover those fumes...

 

[jesco]

I'm a big fan of this 22' Deck...def a LR Junkies boat...:thumbsup

That's where I run it, Blythe, such a fun boat to drive.

 

[Warlock1]

Don't ask me.. All the new fuel systems are "sealed" and do in fact build positive pressure in the heat. The only thing the vent does at this point is (somehow I'm not sure how?) allow gas to escape while you are filling the tank. (At least that's what Candy told me after I opened that thing and took a step back with a WTF?)

After it's in there it's a sealed program, which to me seems f'n crazy, but that's what it is. If for some reason you do open then cap before the motor drains the fuel and creates a balanced environment, the WHHHHOOOOOOSSSSHHHHHH.

Gas by itself won't light off a cigarette... Fuel vapor I'm not sure if it will or won't, but it's a LOT MORE flammable (and explosive) then liquid fuel. I was pretty damn thankful I wasn't smoking a cigarette when I opened that thing.

RD

That's what I was thinking when I read that. You are correct about gas, the liquid doesn't burn, it is the vapor that does. With this new system, I predict some "head fires" as people do open the system while smoking. Look like blue tip matches :yikes

 

[Taboma]

Obviously the EPA doesn't give a shit if we blow or burn ourselves up, so long as we don't release fumes in the process. In the case of death by instant incineration, the fumes should be consumed :yikes

Our Jet ski fuel tanks have been closed and pressurized for many years, in all honesty I've never considered having a smoke dangling from my lips when I pop one open ---- and yes, they WHHOOOSSSH as well. Of course a WHHHOOOOSSSHHHH from a 14-18 gallon tank is a whole lot less than say a 50 or 75 gallon tank.

 

[Andy01]

Great show! Good to meet the people I meet and good to see the ones I already know. Good times, can't wait till next week!! Desert Storm!!!!!

 

[RiverDave]

its only a matter of time before they incorporate charcoal cannisters and evap purge systems into boat fuel tanks to recover those fumes...

The new systems do have charcoal canisters.

 

[hallett21]

Lol how many people who smoke do it while fueling?

 

[ridebig]

I'll call Conquest in the morning and find out who makes it.. I can tell you with absolute certainty it is a sealed gas cap and does meet the EPA rules. I untwisted that thing at the boat show and WWWWHHHOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHH all the compressed gas came out.. It kinda took me by surprise.

Seems dangerous as shit to me to have pressurized fuel cells, and massive amounts of fuel vapor escaping as soon as you open the thing, but what do I know. The EPA is always right.

Candy at Conquest actually gave me the #'s of fuel capacity % lost because of having to fit all the new EPA bullshit etc.. It's legit. The only reason why I think that one might be a perko is because it appears to have that same 3 hole pattern as the ones on the perko site. It might not be online for some reason, but it's legit, or conquest wouldn't use it. Not worth the risk on the fines.



RD

I've heard the whoosh as well as the tank itself contracting with a POP.

 

[RiverDave]

Lol how many people who smoke do it while fueling?

I wasn't fueling the boat, I just popped the gas cap off to get a better look at how it worked.

RD

 

[DeltaSigBoater]

The Fuel Fill on the Conquest is appears to be manufactured by Attwood http://www.attwoodmarine.com/store/product/low-profile-deck-fills-for-carbon-canister-system

Perko does have a "chromed" plastic fuel fill that is EPA Complaint http://www.perkofuelsystems.com/components_fills-technical_information/

 

[Sbarry]

The Fuel Fill on the Conquest is appears to be manufactured by Attwood http://www.attwoodmarine.com/store/product/low-profile-deck-fills-for-carbon-canister-system

Perko does have a "chromed" plastic fuel fill that is EPA Complaint http://www.perkofuelsystems.com/components_fills-technical_information/

This crap is way over my head, but the Atwood cap above is listed under "non-EPA systems" but has a carbon canister....

 

[jesco]

This crap is way over my head, but the Atwood cap above is listed under "non-EPA systems" but has a carbon canister....

Yep, and their EPA compliant looks just as bad as the Perko, hahaha. It has something to do with the other hose line that attaches at the fill, makes a looped system or something. Way above my
pay grade also...

 

[DeltaSigBoater]

This crap is way over my head, but the Atwood cap above is listed under "non-EPA systems" but has a carbon canister....

If you look at all the other "deck fills for non-epa certified systems" you'll notice that said fuel fill, is the only one that meets the "ANYC, USCG, and EPA diurnal emission standards" Whereas the "deck fills for epa certified systems" all do.

Could be a misplacement of content on their site.

 

[Sbarry]

If you look at all the other "deck fills for non-epa certified systems" you'll notice that said fuel fill, is the only one that meets the "ANYC, USCG, and EPA diurnal emission standards" Whereas the "deck fills for epa certified systems" all do.

Could be a misplacement of content on their site.

True, but I don't see anything in regards to CARB compliance... Maybe that's the kicker?

 

[Sbarry]

Yep, and their EPA compliant looks just as bad as the Perko, hahaha. It has something to do with the other hose line that attaches at the fill, makes a looped system or something. Way above my
pay grade also...

Is yours a pain in the butt at the gas pump? I don't know if its how I'm holding the nozzle, but I have tried every different position possible, and its just clicks off every 5-10 seconds. Can't get the gas to fill continuously.

I have filled up 3 times so far, and each time I want to bang my head against a wall cuz it's so stinkin annoying!! LOL

 

[jesco]

Is yours a pain in the butt at the gas pump? I don't know if its how I'm holding the nozzle, but I have tried every different position possible, and its just clicks off every 5-10 seconds. Can't get the gas to fill continuously.

I have filled up 3 times so far, and each time I want to bang my head against a wall cuz it's so stinkin annoying!! LOL

Not that I have noticed. I know the starboard side fill didn't shut of the gas before spitting it out all over, THE MAIN PURPOSE of the hideous fills from what Bob was saying. I tried so many times to have him
not install them and told him to take pics of me installing a nicer one and he wouldn't budge. I get it, its his ass but come on, these things are LAME. He said none of the parts companies are spending the
money on R&D right now, most are still in recovery mode.

Also, like you said in the post above, CARB is the kicker, has to be CARB compliant for California builders to install it.

 

[mjackson]

Next up a little closer look at this Kokopelli Trailer for an Eliminator Daytona. This trailer was bad ass, trailering arm suspension on airbags..

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That's mine! Can't say enough good things about Kokopelli they did an awesome job. Thank you Myke for dragging it to Eliminator Sunday!

 

[RiverDave]

Welcome to the forum! Your trailer came out very nice!

 

[Taboma]

That's an awesome trailer :thumbup:

It appears in the pics as if everything is bolted on versus being welded on, if so, is this in order to have the ability to easily replace parts ?
Or more so the trailer becomes in a manner, modular ?

Damn, with the fancy pump, battery and bags, I'm not sure I'd want to leave that sitting at a launch ramp all day, especially overnight :eek

 

[mjackson]

That's an awesome trailer :thumbup:

It appears in the pics as if everything is bolted on versus being welded on, if so, is this in order to have the ability to easily replace parts ?
Or more so the trailer becomes in a manner, modular ?

Damn, with the fancy pump, battery and bags, I'm not sure I'd want to leave that sitting at a launch ramp all day, especially overnight :eek

It was designed to be bolt on so each piece can easily be replaced, and someone can upgrade their existing trailer easily.

 

[twocents]

RDP deserves a big shout-out thanks for helping co-host the Havasu Boat Show Cornhole Tournament -- since Dave and I know nothing about bean-bags, fortunately a couple of RDP cornhole pros came to our rescue. We had just over 30 entries in the tournament and everybody seemed to have a lot of fun -- and passed out some trophies and cash to the winners. Some of these players are skilled! Anyway, we're planning to do it again next year -- afterall, we got our custom RDP boards, we might as well put them to use. Start practicing now -- you'll need to be on your game.

 

[RiverDave]

Bob call me!

 

[sirbob]

I'm assuming this is aluminum ??

Is it just polished or does it have a clear coat on it ?

I'm thinking that would be a great looking trailer for the big blue - any issues or reasons why that could not do salt water ?

I would love to put my boat in the ocean once and a while but don't want to dip my steel painted trailer in he salt.

 

[DeltaSigBoater]

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I'm assuming this is aluminum ??

Is it just polished or does it have a clear coat on it ?

I'm thinking that would be a great looking trailer for the big blue - any issues or reasons why that could not do salt water ?

I would love to put my boat in the ocean once and a while but don't want to dip my steel painted trailer in he salt.

Yes it is Aluminum. Don't know about if it's polished, cleared or ???

Most of the west coast salt-water guys have Galvanized Trailers. I've talked with guys from the east coast who think we on west coast are crazy using galvanized trailers. And the same is true for us, we have a tendency to think that the EC guys are crazy for using Aluminum.

Since the EC has a higher moisture and salinity content than the WC, it makes a much more ideal environment for corrosion and rust to occur at a faster rate. Even though Aluminum will pit, corrode and eventually fail, the rate of deterioration is much less compared to galv./steel, thus I understand why the EC prefers aluminium.

If I were to be buying a trailer for a salt water boat it would be aluminum hands down. Furthermore if I had a high performance boat that I wanted to dual purpose (salt & fresh), I'd highly consider a Welded Aluminum Trailer by Pacific Trailers... Not only does it look badass but the weight difference is 15%-20% lighter than a comparable steel trailer.

 

[RiverDave]

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I'm assuming this is aluminum ??

Is it just polished or does it have a clear coat on it ?

I'm thinking that would be a great looking trailer for the big blue - any issues or reasons why that could not do salt water ?

I would love to put my boat in the ocean once and a while but don't want to dip my steel painted trailer in he salt.

That's what it is for! Salt or fresh.

 

[vegasandy]

thanks for the Pics Dave, was great meeting you at the show. Im the aquaLilypad guy w/ the red shoes in the pic. I've been lurking for almost 2 years now, figured I should post something finally.

 

[mjackson]

It's polished, will be cleared soon. Will be using it in both fresh and salt. I personally wouldn't want a welded aluminum trailer, I like the idea of easily replacing damaged parts over time.

 

[RiverDave]

thanks for the Pics Dave, was great meeting you at the show. Im the aquaLilypad guy w/ the red shoes in the pic. I've been lurking for almost 2 years now, figured I should post something finally.

Welcome to the board.. Get Carson on here.

RD

 

[TLAW719]

I'm curious how the domin8tor and shockwave 22' deck drive/handle in Havasu? Specially with the big chop. I'm looking into one and should be doing a test drive with the shockwave this weekend but that is still a big concern for me.

 

[RiverDave]

I'm curious how the domin8tor and shockwave 22' deck drive/handle in Havasu? Specially with the big chop. I'm looking into one and should be doing a test drive with the shockwave this weekend but that is still a big concern for me.

I wish I could tell ya.. I haven't been in either.

I'm expecting to have Shockwave and Domin8tor on RDP here right after DS though, and one of the perks of Advertising is we take boats out and give reviews of them (different then boat tests).. So pretty soon I will have them up.

RD

 

[Cole Trickle]

I'm curious how the domin8tor and shockwave 22' deck drive/handle in Havasu? Specially with the big chop. I'm looking into one and should be doing a test drive with the shockwave this weekend but that is still a big concern for me.

I don't thing any cat in the 22' range is going to be a good handler in heavy chop.

I always liked the 23' ultra deck and everyone I have talked to said it didn't handle bigger water all that well. Something about not having deep enough tunnels for rough water.

I would be interesting to hear what others have to say. I have always like the place raft and think it's even better now that shockwave is building them but not sure I would choose one as a rough water boat.