Kokopelli trailers ?? feedback ??

[TOBTEK]

Need to have a Alum trailer built for the new Toon SOON....like NOW. Was planning on having Pacific make it, but saw this on RD's Havasu show pic's. Anyone have any feedback on the trailer and or the company itself?

Thanks.

 

[Enen]

I saw the boat show thread and called them. The trailer on my 20 Schiada needs some love. The local shop that just serviced it wanted almost $900 to change brake fluid and fix a couple of lights, and one wheel bearing, but that's another story.

I called them about service, and we agreed that the other shop's quote needed to come with a jar of vaseline and a cigarette.

They are located here in Phoenix. Planning on going down to their shop and looking closely at their product. Considering selling the current 20 trailer and having them build a new one.

I will report back after I walk their shop.

 

[Riverbound]

I saw the boat show thread and called them. The trailer on my 20 Schiada needs some love. The local shop that just serviced it wanted almost $900 to change brake fluid and fix a couple of lights, and one wheel bearing, but that's another story.

I called them about service, and we agreed that the other shop's quote needed to come with a jar of vaseline and a cigarette.

They are located here in Phoenix. Planning on going down to their shop and looking closely at their product. Considering selling the current 20 trailer and having them build a new one.

I will report back after I walk their shop.

You should just sell the 20....I would take it off your hands. lol

 

[mjackson]

I have had a great experience with them. Uriah and Tiff are great people who will bend over backwards for you. If you have any questions call Gary at Eliminator everyone there has been super impressed.

 

[Enen]

You should just sell the 20....I would take it off your hands. lol

You realize that you just went public.... offering to buy a SCHIADA!! :eek

 

[Riverbound]

You realize that you just went public.... offering to buy a SCHIADA!! :eek

I need a beater. Lol

 

[Enen]

I need a beater. Lol

Lol. Is Games' 20 Schiada still for sale?

 

[Riverbound]

Lol. Is Games' 20 Schiada still for sale?

I can't do a painted boat. Or else I would be down for sure

 

[JBS]

I can't do a painted boat. Or else I would be down for sure

Buy it right and get it re-gelled

 

[Riverbound]

Buy it right and get it re-gelled

No more boat boat projects for this guy for a while. Lol

 

[mjackson]

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Need to have a Alum trailer built for the new Toon SOON....like NOW. Was planning on having Pacific make it, but saw this on RD's Havasu show pic's. Anyone have any feedback on the trailer and or the company itself?

Thanks.

Seawitch (sp?) marine in Vista is a dealer. They have a few there you can check out closer to home.

 

[Pivot]

nothing to see here, move on

 

[TOBTEK]

I havasu that has great trailers, mine came in white with black wheels.... try them

I'LL PASS on that thanks.

 

[Andy01]

I looked at the Kokopelli trailer in the picture and it looked nice. But you are a name brand guy, I don't know why you don't have Myco build you a trailer, or have Extreme build you a fully polished all Stainless steel trailer for that sled. :thumbsup

 

[She's Mine]

They are a nice trailer and Uriah and Tiff are great to work with. The one in the OP is the one I towed back to Eliminator for one of their customers. It towed great across the desert empty and didn't bounce all over the place plus it only weighs 1200lbs.

 

[TOBTEK]

BOLTED TOGETHER Vrs welded?? Thoughts?

 

[RiverDave]

BOLTED TOGETHER Vrs welded?? Thoughts?

They will weld the bow stand etc out of the same channel if that's what you want.

I would do welded with an arced bow stand, stainless fenders, button leds throughout and runway button leds on the tops of the main rails.

 

[paradise]

BOLTED TOGETHER Vrs welded?? Thoughts?

No idea on the pros and cons, but our fishing boat was on a bolted together aluminum fifth wheel trailer (18k lbs loaded) and it worked great.

The thing looked a little ridiculous how 'wobbly' it was when it was unloaded (40' long), but once loaded it was always rock solid.

 

[jscarab]

I had mine custom built...10ft wide axles...very happy with it....as you can see we had a little trouble getting it out of the building....[emoji50][emoji106]

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

They are just plain bitchin. For a few bucks more they can fully polish the trailer too.

 

[Racer56]

BOLTED TOGETHER Vrs welded?? Thoughts?

They will weld the bow stand etc out of the same channel if that's what you want.

I would do welded with an arced bow stand, stainless fenders, button leds throughout and runway button leds on the tops of the main rails.

No idea on the pros and cons, but our fishing boat was on a bolted together aluminum fifth wheel trailer (18k lbs loaded) and it worked great.

The thing looked a little ridiculous how 'wobbly' it was when it was unloaded (40' long), but once loaded it was always rock solid.

On an aluminum trailer this light, the aluminum welds would probably crack eventually. Bolting the trailer together is preferable and lets it flex without cracking.

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

I would think the New F-150's with the aluminum chassis would be a good place to start looking at what works, and what doesn't. :cool

 

[Wombat]

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I had mine custom built...10ft wide axles...very happy with it....as you can see we had a little trouble getting it out of the building....[emoji50][emoji106]

Nice boat and trailer :thumbup:, whats the length of the trailer, does it have full EOH braking and whats the weight of your boat :thumbup:

 

[Patyacht]

I had a powder coated aluminum trailer for my 28' Advantage Victory and it liked to float when loading the boat just like other Al trailers. Otherwise a great trailer. With the added airbag hardware I would think you wouldn't have a floating issue.

 

[Pivot]

They are nice trailers. Reality is they are straighter. My guess is they are done on a CAD program and cut that way. They end up straight cause the computer won't make it crooked. There's no disadvantage, if anything it will last longer and look better in5 years. Aluminum can oxidize would be the only issues. Have the trailer shark skinned

 

[rivrrts429]

I would think the New F-150's with the aluminum chassis would be a good place to start looking at what works, and what doesn't. :cool

They are aluminum bodies and steel chassis.

 

[jscarab]

Nice boat and trailer :thumbup:, whats the length of the trailer, does it have full EOH braking and whats the weight of your boat :thumbup:

Not sure of the total length of the trailer. I just went with standard surge brakes, it is only used to move my boat around havasu(detail shop, fuel, service shop). I figure my boat weighs about 12-13k with fuel.

Side note.....I like that the large bunks are made from aluminum. I think that if the bunks were wood, with the tires I wound never get the trailer to sink....😕

 

[TOBTEK]

@ Pat.

Your the second person to mention alum trailers floating. So what do you do if this happens. That could be a mess.

 

[Patyacht]

If you are the person retrieving the boat you have to get out of the tow vehicle and stand on the trailer. You are going to get wet. I used Site 6 one time and since it is so steep it was a bitch getting the boat straight on the trailer since the trailer kept floating. I'd have to keep moving forward a bit at a time until the trailer and boat lined up properly. I once watched a friend of mine, "ClownRoyal", play hell loading his 38' Scarab on his Al trailer at the OCM Poker Run in Portland Or. I've seen some have sand bags they loop over the rear of the trailer to keep it down.

 

[jscarab]

I have no trouble with floating of any kind......only 2 very small wood bunks.

 

[RiverDave]

Maybe I'm missing something.. But why would an I beam trailer float? I could see if it was a boxed tube trailer catching air in the tubes as you were backing it in or something?

Even then a series of drilled holes would solve that problem in short order?

 

[jscarab]

Maybe I'm missing something.. But why would an I beam trailer float? I could see if it was a boxed tube trailer catching air in the tubes as you were backing it in or something?

Even then a series of drilled holes would solve that problem in short order?

My guess is, 6 large wheel/tires, and if my bunks were wood that would be a lot of flotation....

 

[Patyacht]

Maybe I'm missing something.. But why would an I beam trailer float? I could see if it was a boxed tube trailer catching air in the tubes as you were backing it in or something?

Even then a series of drilled holes would solve that problem in short order?

RD you are missing it. They do float. It's been an issue for years. Google it RD. And it gets worse in salt.

 

[Patyacht]

Here are a few links on the issue:
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/96969-floating-trailer-syndrome.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/trucks-trailers-transportation/212358-anybody-elses-aluminum-trailer-float.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/general-boating-discussion/82990-boat-trailer-started-floating.html

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Not only will the 6 tires create a lot of flotation, I would expect an air bag suspension to exaserbate the situation.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

From what I was told that is the reason the new I beam trailers have aluminum bunks and not the wood. I guess it really cuts down on the "float" factor

 

[paradise]

I have no trouble with floating of any kind......only 2 very small wood bunks.

Never had any issues with either our big trailer for the old boat, or the new trailer for the new smaller boat. Both had big wood bunks

 

[TOBTEK]

@ Pat.

Did you ever try the PVC full of quickcrete they are talking about in those other threads? I was thinking "IF" we had this problem making a few weighted bags that could be draped over the rear cross member, id think that would keep it down ??

 

[454Rocket]

RD you are missing it. They do float. It's been an issue for years. Google it RD. And it gets worse in salt.

OffshoreDave

 

[RiverDave]

My guess is, 6 large wheel/tires, and if my bunks were wood that would be a lot of flotation....

RD you are missing it. They do float. It's been an issue for years. Google it RD. And it gets worse in salt.

Not only will the 6 tires create a lot of flotation, I would expect an air bag suspension to exaserbate the situation.

OffshoreDave

I haven't ever tried it, but I figured a rim with a tire with 40psi wouldn't actually float? At some point whne I get a few minutes I'll take one of my spares and throw it in the pool to see.

I still think air is getting trapped either under fenders, or somewhere in the trailers to make them float.

RD

 

[Andy01]

My owens and sons trailer never floated. It was a bolted together 30 foot cat trailer. Trailer would bounce like crazy with no boat on it. Had wood bunks, tandem axle with drive guard. Best trailer I ever owned, nothing but air in the tires once a year. Other companies I've owned forget it.

 

[Hammer]

We need myth busters... I don't believe trailers float, nor will Daves spare tire.

 

[RiverDave]

We need myth busters... I don't believe trailers float, nor will Daves spare tire.

I am sure they are floating.. i believe the reasons why they are floating though are different then one people believe they are. It's pretty obvious aluminum doesn't float.. The steel axles underneath it aren't gonna float. I honestly don't know if tires float or not, I figured under pressure they'd sink, or at least not add any real floatation..

Even some steel trailers will float. Old Miller Jetboat trailers are famous for it because they had these big fiberglass fenders that trapped a bunch of air. It was actually considered to be a "plus" or an "added bonus" in their marketing.. Although I can't see why.

RD

 

[Andy01]

I am sure they are floating.. i believe the reasons why they are floating though are different then one people believe they are. It's pretty obvious aluminum doesn't float.. The steel axles underneath it aren't gonna float. I honestly don't know if tires float or not, I figured under pressure they'd sink, or at least not add any real floatation..

Even some steel trailers will float. Old Miller Jetboat trailers are famous for it because they had these big fiberglass fenders that trapped a bunch of air. It was actually considered to be a "plus" or an "added bonus" in their marketing.. Although I can't see why.

RD

Old Nordic 22' trailers float as well, made it impossible to get the boat off...........

 

[TOBTEK]

The heck with the trailer ! Just weld on some stub axles and a hitch...... Just a lame Toon anyway

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I am sure they are floating.. i believe the reasons why they are floating though are different then one people believe they are. It's pretty obvious aluminum doesn't float.. The steel axles underneath it aren't gonna float. I honestly don't know if tires float or not, I figured under pressure they'd sink, or at least not add any real floatation..

Even some steel trailers will float. Old Miller Jetboat trailers are famous for it because they had these big fiberglass fenders that trapped a bunch of air. It was actually considered to be a "plus" or an "added bonus" in their marketing.. Although I can't see why.

RD

It isn't going to be ONE thing causing the flotation. Just like most other issues, it's caused by a combination of conditions.
Tube aluminum that traps air would obviously cause more buoyancy than I beam just like low profile tires on steel wheels will be less buoyant than LT tires on alloys.
It all adds up.
It's not like the trailers float to the point you can slap an outboard on them and go for a ride but some do drift an move.

 

[240Hallett]

If I remember correctly (questionable) the chick at the boat show said that the open ended box tubing that the bunks are made off fill with water upon submersion adding weight to the trailer to keep it down.

 

[TOBTEK]

Spoke with Uriah, Seems like a good guy. He sounds EXACTLY like RD on the phone ! Exact same laugh.

So let's PIMP OUT a Toon Trailer ! Need to find some trick wheels and tires ( what's hot right now? ) Up for RIDICULOUS LED trailer lighting like I've seen on some new DCB's (pic's )


Have to do this right, so Chip will be happy with it in about 6 months......LoL! :eek

 

[TOBTEK]

thinking I need the Runway lighting :thumbsup

 

[Sharp Shooter]

I love the idea of using aluminum, but I don't like the look of the outer I beam's. The trailer resembles an "assemble yourself" jet ski or utility trailer IMO. I'd love it with the outer frame rails done in C channel and all welded if that's possible. The diamond plated fenders while functional, take a lot away from the overall look which is easily fixable. :thumbsup

Aside from it's few aesthetic short comings it's badass.