2016 Camaro!

[satellitemike]

Looks like Chevy upped their game.
http://www.thedrive.com/article/657

 

[Cole Trickle]

Its going to be a beast!

The body design is better than the gen 5 and the new interior is light years ahead of the previous car.

I think its going to be a great car.

 

[Stainless]

I'm surprised no one has posted pictures of the COPO(can't remember what that stands for) Camaro at SEMA.

 

[ChevelleSB406]

I'm surprised no one has posted pictures of the COPO(can't remember what that stands for) Camaro at SEMA.

Central Office Production Order :thumbup:

 

[spectras only]

Definitely nicer compared to previous model but still too heavy just like the Mustang :thumbsdown
The writer drinks the GM coolaid for sure. 'With its 28-percent stiffer chassis, the SS is slimmed to 3,685 lbs, officially 20 fewer than the Mustang GT.' BFD

 

[Stainless]

Central Office Production Order :thumbup:

Thanks Tom, what does that mean?

 

[ChevelleSB406]

Thanks Tom, what does that mean?

well, back in the day you used to be able to order things not readily available on the production models. Chevrolet had a history of dealers doing this with their own branding as well, Yenko, Nicky, Dana, all 427 aluminum big block bruisers they dolled up and sold. However, your or I, with the right connections, could walk in and order a base base model chevelle, add the 427 aluminum jobber, 4 speed, 4.56 gears to the back, and avoid all the up charges of appearance packages, interior, A/C, other options. These orders were sent to the central office for processing, and your "custom" order camaro, nova, chevelle, would arrive at the dealership. For example, my favorite, a $1600 dollar base chevelle in '69, add the drive train options and that's it, and now its $4600 , but a grand cheaper than a Yenko. Many copos even had the poverty cap wheels, not even rallys like seen below.




69 COPO camaro, factory sleeper.




And in contrast, A YENKO HEY LAM model.

 

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69 COPO camaro, factory sleeper.

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And in contrast, A YENKO HEY LAM model.

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I'd take these two over the new model

 

[Cole Trickle]

Definitely nicer compared to previous model but still too heavy just like the Mustang :thumbsdown
The writer drinks the GM coolaid for sure. 'With its 28-percent stiffer chassis, the SS is slimmed to 3,685 lbs, officially 20 fewer than the Mustang GT.' BFD

3700lbs is light for a modern day muscle car.

That car is 10x the performer of the copo cars for 37k dollars.

No doubt we would all love to have a 250k Classic camaro in out stable but that not gonna happen. As a driver there won't be anything on the market that will compete.

 

[ChevelleSB406]

I'd take these two over the new model

But remember, that ZL1 aluminum 427 was only rated at 425 HP , so its not very powerful, just like the 425 HP Hemi, the 425 HP LS6, hmm, I see a trend for insurance companies and emissions statements

 

[ChevelleSB406]

3700lbs is light for a modern day muscle car.

That car is 10x the performer of the copo cars for 37k dollars.

No doubt we would all love to have a 250k Classic camaro in out stable but that not gonna happen. As a driver there won't be anything on the market that will compete.

Agreed it will drive circles all around our old crap, but still, Brandin, you have to love the guys from the street racing days that never figured it out, "your chevelle is way too heavy to be fast in the quarter, those old cars are tanks, my 2002 GT (insert GTO, LS Camaro, hell, even some of the hondas) will kick your ass with less power."

My car is full interior, all steel, heater core, the whole bit, 3050 lbs on the scale My 5.0 fox body could have been the real lightweight though. :thumbup:

 

[Cole Trickle]

Agreed it will drive circles all around our old crap, but still, Brandin, you have to love the guys from the street racing days that never figured it out, "your chevelle is way too heavy to be fast in the quarter, those old cars are tanks, my 2002 GT (insert GTO, LS Camaro, hell, even some of the hondas) will kick your ass with less power."

My car is full interior, all steel, heater core, the whole bit, 3050 lbs on the scale My 5.0 fox body could have been the real lightweight though. :thumbup:

Older cars were really light. Always cracks me up when people think old cars are heavy and slow. Shoot I think my 69 c-10 is 3800lbs

Biggest difference is those old carb bbc made 320 to the wheels and the new stuff puts out 100hp more.

I had a 1990 no options notch that was really light. Car went 13.8 all motor with exhaust and a tire and 12.0 on a 125 shot for dirt cheap.

 

[JD D05]

Looks like the Mustang.

 

[spectras only]

3700lbs is light for a modern day muscle car.

That car is 10x the performer of the copo cars for 37k dollars.

No doubt we would all love to have a 250k Classic camaro in out stable but that not gonna happen. As a driver there won't be anything on the market that will compete.

Take out the excessive amount of electronics and voila, hundreds of pounds saved. I hardly ever listen to music in my car when out on a spirited drive. The truck has a good system for those daily drives.

 

[ChevelleSB406]

Older cars were really light. Always cracks me up when people think old cars are heavy and slow. Shoot I think my 69 c-10 is 3800lbs

Biggest difference is those old carb bbc made 320 to the wheels and the new stuff puts out 100hp more.

I had a 1990 no options notch that was really light. Car went 13.8 all motor with exhaust and a tire and 12.0 on a 125 shot for dirt cheap.

Yep, Brian your river neighbor and my friend were bitching during the Enduro how kids these days start out with so much power from a used car purchase that they will never know the struggle to get out of the 15's Shit, bad boy 87 IROC 350 in high school put 275hp from the factory and maybe half that to the wheels. Fox bodies were almost cheating though, the motors I had to build just to keep up with their asses in high school, 14.30 with a good driver bone stock, pulleys, exhaust, and tire, and you owned everyone on the street. :thumbup:

 

[McRib]

and it's made in America as opposed to Canada now.

 

[ToMorrow44]

Take out the excessive amount of electronics and voila, hundreds of pounds saved. I hardly ever listen to music in my car when out on a spirited drive. The truck has a good system for those daily drives.

That's what it is right there. You'd be amazed at how much the wiring and modules weigh for all the creature comforts. The stereo is only a small part too. 100lbs is worth a 10th in the 1/4...

Also the subframes are significantly stronger than the 60s cars, I'm sure theres significant weight there, but thats acceptable..:rolleyes

 

[Fun Times]

Looks like Chevy upped their game.
http://www.thedrive.com/article/657

I just saw what appears to be an 2016 Chevrolet Chevelle SS? on Facebook. Figured I'd share it here. http://gearheads.org/the-2016-chevrolet-chevelle-ss-say-it-aint-so/

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Take out the excessive amount of electronics and voila, hundreds of pounds saved. I hardly ever listen to music in my car when out on a spirited drive. The truck has a good system for those daily drives.

It's not the electronics that are heavy, it's all the stuff built in to support it all. Most of the weight is extra metal for modern crash standards, and the moder size of cars. That is why the car is stiffer. Also all the structure for air bags, huge wheels, huge brakes, large multi link suspension components, sound deadening, trim etc.

My 86 RX7 is comically small and light compared to new cars. It's 2600 lbs and has manual everything. It is stupidly fast with 475 HP.

 

[RLJ676]

I think my 72 weighs like 3500... with power nothing and a pretty crappy interior (or it was stock). I'd say a car that has every creature comfort and can drive circles around it (or a stock one) with only a couple hundred lb gain isn't too bad....

 

[pronstar]

The new Camaro looks legit
Car magazines are saying the new SS is as fast as the outgoing Z/28 :thumbup:


With more horsepower and a curb weight down 214 pounds from the last Camaro SS we tested, the new 2016 Camaro SS put down some frighteningly quick numbers at the track. The acceleration run from 0 to 60 mph took just 4.0 seconds, and the quarter mile was through in 12.4 seconds at 114.6 mph. That's not only faster than the last Camaro SS 1LE we tested, but it also hangs with the 505-hp, 7.0-liter V-8-powered Camaro Z/28. A 2015 Camaro SS 1LE needed 4.4 seconds to hit 60 mph and 12.9 seconds to complete the quarter mile at 110.5 mph; the big, bad Z/28 also did 0-60 in 4 seconds flat and finished the quarter a nose before the 2016 Camaro SS in 12.3 seconds at 116.1 mph. The new Camaro SS has brakes, too; the standard Brembo stoppers brought the Chevy to a standstill in 104 feet from 60 mph.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss-first-test-review/

 

[Stainless]

 

[Cray Paper]

Comparing todays cars to stuff made in the 60's and early 70's is definitely apples to oranges. My 71 strippo Camaro weighed 3100 pounds with a 307 and power glide, 74 weighed 3650 pounds, 76 - 79 ( several cars) weighed 3700 - 3900 pounds. I still have a 1987 IROC that I bought in 1990, it has been had a couple of engines in it, last time it was on the scales with a 350, no AC condenser, SS exhaust, AFR heads and SLP T-Ram intake it was about 3480 pounds with no one in it. Power seats, windows, locks, amp, 8 speakers, carpet etc. This car came with a 305 TPI and 700R4, but it didn't take much to perk it up. It was and is still is a light weight car.

Cars built after the muscle car days of glory are much heavier than the originals because of crash standards. Todays modern V8 engines make so much more power it's retarded to claim the old school engines are superior. I still like my 355 with AFR 195's, but it doesn't put out what a crate 6.2 does, stock.

 

[spectras only]

My 1972 Challenger 340's weight was a scant 3125 lbs bone stock. not stripped. My comment about modern car's overweight is about electronics installed. It is not so much of safety equipment alone but number of speakers and amplifiers. Well guess what, when there are 10 + speakers and multiple amplifiers are on board, this weight negates performance . My Viper has only one amplifier, four very small spekers and two tweeters. Has a substantial steel frame to deal with torsional forces yet weighs lot less than the new cars we talk about here. Maybe it's time to build these cars with aluminum bodies.
Friends NobleM400 with a puny 3.0 V-6 puts a hurt on these cars because the HP/Ton ratio and perfect balance being mid engined. Corvette should really be made with a mid engine by now too IMO

loved both of them back in the ol days:thumbup:
btw the factory posted power levels by Chrysler/Dodge were a bunch of BS too for some cars.