BYRNA LESS-LETHAL PISTOLS

[RitcheyRch]

Anyone have any experience with these? My daughter is being stalked by her mothers ex-boyfriend and thinking of getting her the Byrna SD model.

BYRNA LESS-LETHAL PISTOLS

Byrna Less-Lethal pistols are non lethal self defense weapons powered by compressed air (CO2) and fire chemical and / or kinetic rounds capable of incapacitating a threatening suspect from up to 60ft feet away for up to 45 minutes.

byrna.com

 

[RogerThat99]

I have been curious about these also.

 

[jetboatperformance]

I bought/own two, carry one daily very well made ,easy to handle very accurate to 30 feet , One of the best features is that the c02 cartridge doesnt deploy till the first trigger pull (more on this later)

 

[77charger]

Wonder what the legality is on carrying one. I’m ca I’m sure it’s still considered a pistol ?? Since it fires a projectile.

 

[kev4dez]

Take a look at the Salt Supply S2 also. Just got one of these after reading up on the Byrna and multiple failures. One note though, the S2 is a little bit large so not easy to conceal.

 

[OCMerrill]

Anyone have any experience with these? My daughter is being stalked by her mothers ex-boyfriend and thinking of getting her the Byrna SD model.

BYRNA LESS-LETHAL PISTOLS

Byrna Less-Lethal pistols are non lethal self defense weapons powered by compressed air (CO2) and fire chemical and / or kinetic rounds capable of incapacitating a threatening suspect from up to 60ft feet away for up to 45 minutes.

byrna.com

Unfortunately not in CA as far as I can read. Maybe there are other projectile options. CA doesn't want you to be safe in any manner so it seems.

See the projectile comment on shipping restrictions.

EDIT - The S2 has the same restrictions. This company has alternatives but doesn't say what they are.

 

[OCMerrill]

Might be better to just carry a bright colored airsoft pistol with the highest FPS you can find as long as you can run like hell.

Maybe bear spray?

 

[jetboatperformance]

Wonder what the legality is on carrying one. I’m ca I’m sure it’s still considered a pistol ?? Since it fires a projectile.

I studied this alot , the word "fire arm" seems to be Key and the Byrna is not a fire arm

 

[Good Stuff]

You can have one in CA. You can only have the kinetic rounds not the chemical projectiles. I’m not sure how bad it hurts but I don’t think it would be enough to stop a truly determined person.

 

[jetboatperformance]

These are lightweight and fit easily in a fanny or shoulder bag , havent fired min in a while but the cartridge says live forever till pierced on the first trigger pull , when the first trigger pull is while on "safe" It wont fire but activate , if not on safe the first pull will activate and fire but that first round is abit anemic

 

[CLdrinker]

Has she got a restraining order? If not start the process now. At the very least it will start a paper trail showing she tried to do it the right way.

eff non lethal. Get her a real gun and carry regardless of permits.

Breaking a permit law is the least of her worries if this guy tries some bullshit.

Also pay this guy a visit.


Mess with a man’s kids and laws quickly go out the window.

 

[jetboatperformance]

Might just change someones mind abit

 

[RitcheyRch]

Has she got a restraining order? If not start the process now. At the very least it will start a paper trail showing she tried to do it the right way.

eff non lethal. Get her a real gun and carry regardless of permits.

Breaking a permit law is the least of her worries if this guy tries some bullshit.

Also pay this guy a visit.


Mess with a man’s kids and laws quickly go out the window.

She has gone to the sheriff department and they said they cannot do anything being he has not made any threats other than being a nuisance. Also, me and my daughter don't know where he lives. I'm trying to see if my ex-wife knows where this guy lives.

 

[CLdrinker]

She has gone to the sheriff department and they said they cannot do anything being he has not made any threats other than being a nuisance.

Keep that documentation. So when she puts a bullet in this asswipe her lawyer can show the jury she attempted to play by the rules.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Might just change someones mind abit

Thanks for the photo. Will see if my daughter is comfortable having one.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Keep that documentation. So when she puts a bullet in this asswipe her lawyer can show the jury she attempted to play by the rules.

He is more than an ass-wipe that's for sure. There is a lot more to the story that I don't want to divulge on here.

He is 67 years old and a search of his name provides:

Crime: ORAL COPULATION WITH A MINOR UNDER 14 YEARS OF AGE, Statute: 288a(c)

 

[ArizonaKevin]

I'm admittedly very biased here, but our civilian line of TASER's are not subject to traditional firearms laws in CA, it is what I have on me when I am in the state. I do have an employee discount shoot me a PM if you are interested or if you have any further questions.

TASER Devices in California

TASER devices can go more places than a firearm. Whether at home, going to work or exploring California's countless natural and urban locations; do so without becoming a statistic of rising crime. Perfect for students, solo adventurers, the elderly, and even gun owners.

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[jetboatperformance]

I'm admittedly very biased here, but our civilian line of TASER's are not subject to traditional firearms laws in CA, it is what I have on me when I am in the state. I do have an employee discount shoot me a PM if you are interested or if you have any further questions.

TASER Devices in California

TASER devices can go more places than a firearm. Whether at home, going to work or exploring California's countless natural and urban locations; do so without becoming a statistic of rising crime. Perfect for students, solo adventurers, the elderly, and even gun owners.

taser.com

I have one and the wife carries it on walks dont like the fact of no second shot..................... The first nite home with ours I put a pair of darts in the kitchen door .whooops

 

[ArizonaKevin]

I have one and the wife carries it on walks dont like the fact of no second shot..................... The first nite home with ours I put a pair of darts in the kitchen door .whooops

Definitely agreed, I wouldn't be surprised if we are working on R&D for a multi-shot civilian device but that's certainly way above my paygrade. Unfortunately, we haven't had enough historical sales of our civilian devices to justify large amounts of R&D.

Here's our newest LE model with 10 shots https://www.axon.com/products/taser-10

 

[counterpart7]

Shoot to kill or don't shoot at all...

 

[LakeMeadLavey]

I'm admittedly very biased here, but our civilian line of TASER's are not subject to traditional firearms laws in CA, it is what I have on me when I am in the state. I do have an employee discount shoot me a PM if you are interested or if you have any further questions.

TASER Devices in California

TASER devices can go more places than a firearm. Whether at home, going to work or exploring California's countless natural and urban locations; do so without becoming a statistic of rising crime. Perfect for students, solo adventurers, the elderly, and even gun owners.

taser.com

This......I purchased the Taser Pulse over a year ago and carry it daily. The Taser along with some pepper spray are your best bet in Commifornia. From my research the Taser Pulse is the real deal and will knock someone on their ass. I see lately they are not easy to find available.

 

[jetboatperformance]

A side note of "irony" here One of the largest makers of high quality pepper balls is based in San Diego California but cant sell to Caliifornia residents

 

[Xring01]

There is some pretty good content on Youtube regarding the BRNAs.

Based on what I have seen, if the damn thing works like its supposed to, its going to give you time to get away from the bad guy.
However there was some stuff I saw, where the damn things did not work out of the box… Several of them.

If you truly looking for non lethal, then Bear Spray

Why…
BRNAs are $99 or more… and are un reliable… have a 30 yd range ish????
Bear Spray- $49 - $69, same effective range, with higher reliabilty, in roughly the same size carrying package.

BTW… My daughter lives alone in Folsom CA, works as a Nurse at UC Davis.
In her car, in her drivers door pocket, she has knife, flashlight and small bear spray…
In her purse, medium size bear spray…. - when walking thru parking lots, purse is strung across her body at 45 degrees around the next, with the zipper open enough to reach the bear spray…

In her house, Mossberg 12 gauge pump, and Glock 9mm… (she is trying to talk me out of one of my 1911 .45s).

 

[PaPaG]

Anyone have any experience with these? My daughter is being stalked by her mothers ex-boyfriend and thinking of getting her the Byrna SD model.

BYRNA LESS-LETHAL PISTOLS

Byrna Less-Lethal pistols are non lethal self defense weapons powered by compressed air (CO2) and fire chemical and / or kinetic rounds capable of incapacitating a threatening suspect from up to 60ft feet away for up to 45 minutes.

byrna.com

If your daughter is in danger, send a few of us to have a talk with him RItchey

 

[Flying_Lavey]

If your daughter is in danger, send a few of us to have a talk with him RItchey

I agree. Don't hesitate to let us know when you would like to get this party together. I know @4Waters would be happy to help as well.

 

[RitcheyRch]

If your daughter is in danger, send a few of us to have a talk with him RItchey

I agree. Don't hesitate to let us know when you would like to get this party together. I know @4Waters would be happy to help as well.

Thanks and will keep everyone updated once I do some intel on this guy. I did find out he is a convicted child molester and did some time for that plus time for violating parole with having a gun.

He showed up at my ex-wife's house over the weekend and somehow got past her ring camera.

 

[jetboatperformance]

Thanks and will keep everyone updated once I do some intel on this guy. I did find out he is a convicted child molester and did some time for that plus time for violating parole with having a gun.

He showed up at my ex-wife's house over the weekend and somehow got past her ring camera.

If you can produce a pic that and her concerns should get a TRO I believe

 

[Backlash]

So, he is at the very least a sex registrant, and likely a parolee/probationer. I'm certain his parole agent would LOVE to know about him and his recent activities......

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Thanks and will keep everyone updated once I do some intel on this guy. I did find out he is a convicted child molester and did some time for that plus time for violating parole with having a gun.

He showed up at my ex-wife's house over the weekend and somehow got past her ring camera.

If he's a convicted sex offender, I believe that makes his address public record.

 

[CLdrinker]

If your daughter is in danger, send a few of us to have a talk with him RItchey

A door to door sales speach you might say…

 

[2Driver]

There is some pretty good content on Youtube regarding the BRNAs.

Based on what I have seen, if the damn thing works like its supposed to, its going to give you time to get away from the bad guy.
However there was some stuff I saw, where the damn things did not work out of the box… Several of them.

If you truly looking for non lethal, then Bear Spray

Why…
BRNAs are $99 or more… and are un reliable… have a 30 yd range ish????
Bear Spray- $49 - $69, same effective range, with higher reliabilty, in roughly the same size carrying package.

BTW… My daughter lives alone in Folsom CA, works as a Nurse at UC Davis.
In her car, in her drivers door pocket, she has knife, flashlight and small bear spray…
In her purse, medium size bear spray…. - when walking thru parking lots, purse is strung across her body at 45 degrees around the next, with the zipper open enough to reach the bear spray…

In her house, Mossberg 12 gauge pump, and Glock 9mm… (she is trying to talk me out of one of my 1911 .45s).

I was reading up on pepper spray in CA.

What I read was it is limited to 2.5 oz. The bear spray was different but it was supposed to be for bear defense not urban defense. I know Id rather be alive with a misdemeanor and a civil suit than dead but Im sure a county prosecutor would love to prosecute that case to make a name for himself.

The best solution to me would be to move.

 

[Xring01]

I was reading up on pepper spray in CA.

What I read was it is limited to 2.5 oz. The bear spray was different but it was supposed to be for bear defense not urban defense. I know Id rather be alive with a misdemeanor and a civil suit than dead but Im sure a county prosecutor would love to prosecute that case to make a name for himself.

The best solution to me would be to move.

Then make a “camping trip” to Lake Tahoe, bounce down to Carson City and get real bear spray, in any size you want.
Because you didn’t use it on the camping trip. You forgot it was in your purse… until that bad guy showed up and you remembered it was still there, and it was a last resort…

In a true self defense situation, either you can defend your self, or you become a victim, and your future may be put in the bad guys hands.
I have chosen to do my best, to never be a victim, and I have guided my adult children on that same path. They make their own decisions and are as prepared as they can be.

I am not saying that our decisions are the gospel and that all should follow our thought process. Everyone has the right to make the decisions for themselves.

If a CA prosecutor is looking at 20 year old female who used bear spray on a male stalker, that has been reported to any police agency. I doubt that prosecutor would do a thing. Now if that female used a firearm in a public setting, that would be problem. If a firearm was used at her house against the same stalker, it would still be highly scrutinized, but she would probably not be charged. But she would need a few damn good lawyers.

But all of the above is my opinion.

 

[oldboatsrule]

A registered sex offender knocks on my kids door... she will shoot him before I can.

This is insane that the local PD does nothing

Maybe a copy of his report and another visit to the pd is in order. If not go up the chain. Maybe state police.

 

[RitcheyRch]

She is working on the restraining order now.

If you can produce a pic that and her concerns should get a TRO I believe

We are trying to find out who his parole officer is now.

So, he is at the very least a sex registrant, and likely a parolee/probationer. I'm certain his parole agent would LOVE to know about him and his recent activities......

 

[RitcheyRch]

If he's a convicted sex offender, I believe that makes his address public record.

Yes, his address is public but didn't want to post any of that information on here.

 

[RitcheyRch]

I'm admittedly very biased here, but our civilian line of TASER's are not subject to traditional firearms laws in CA, it is what I have on me when I am in the state. I do have an employee discount shoot me a PM if you are interested or if you have any further questions.

TASER Devices in California

TASER devices can go more places than a firearm. Whether at home, going to work or exploring California's countless natural and urban locations; do so without becoming a statistic of rising crime. Perfect for students, solo adventurers, the elderly, and even gun owners.

taser.com

@ArizonaKevin

Which model do you recommend for my daughter? Attach files

 

[Aces & Eights]

Don’t know a whole lot about these less lethal weapons. I believe everyone has a right to defend themselves against threats of and actual violence.

My concern is that the use or display of these weapons could have horrific and unintended consequences. A dirt bag could do something to cause the less lethal weapon to be deployed against him and then turn around and claim “self defense” while shooting the victim dead. Seen it before, DA won’t file anything against the dirt bag if there are self defense issues. What about ex con with a gun? Nope, won’t file, what about gang member or felon in possession of a weapon? No, won’t file.
This is of course the Los Angeles County DA. I can’t speak from experience in other jurisdictions.

 

[Ducksquasher]

They advertise that they are legal in all states?

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Kevin,

Which model do you recommend for my daughter? Attach files

Does she have experience shooting firearms before? I feel like the Pulse https://taser.com/products/pulse is easier to shoot since it is shaped like a traditional pistol. The Bolt https://taser.com/products/bolt2 is smaller and easier to carry in a purse or a bag, but in my opinion harder to shoot accurately, especially for people who have shooting experience.

Don’t know a whole lot about these less lethal weapons. I believe everyone has a right to defend themselves against threats of and actual violence.

My concern is that the use or display of these weapons could have horrific and unintended consequences. A dirt bag could do something to cause the less lethal weapon to be deployed against him and then turn around and claim “self defense” while shooting the victim dead. Seen it before, DA won’t file anything against the dirt bag if there are self defense issues. What about ex con with a gun? Nope, won’t file, what about gang member or felon in possession of a weapon? No, won’t file.
This is of course the Los Angeles County DA. I can’t speak from experience in other jurisdictions.

I'd love to see the example you are referring to. Virtually every state I'm aware of has it specifically written that you cannot claim self defense when you were the original aggressor that initiated force and you also cannot claim self defense while you are in the process of committing a relevant crime.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Does she have experience shooting firearms before? I feel like the Pulse https://taser.com/products/pulse is easier to shoot since it is shaped like a traditional pistol. The Bolt https://taser.com/products/bolt2 is smaller and easier to carry in a purse or a bag, but in my opinion harder to shoot accurately, especially for people who have shooting experience.

Both those options look good. I'll talk with my daughter shortly.

 

[Aces & Eights]

Here is one from a week and a half ago, obviously circumstances will be different in every situation. The key component is that people can get away with killing other people by claiming self defense. I’ve seen it many times before, usually gangsters killing other gangsters. I don’t have the specific case or file numbers at my disposal but I’ve been involved in those investigations. I just retired recently.

Stabbing Charges Dropped against 19-Year-Old Student after Self-Defense Claim - Davis Vanguard

By Vy Tran

www.davisvanguard.org

Let me be clear, I think the poster should be very concerned about his daughter being stalked and she should have protection. I’m merely stating that dirt bags could use a self defense mechanism to escape justice. Of course it works both ways, the daughter can legally kill her stalker if he does something that warrants that. Either way, it’s a tough situation and I wish the best for them.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Here is one from a week and a half ago, obviously circumstances will be different in every situation. The key component is that people can get away with killing other people by claiming self defense. I’ve seen it many times before, usually gangsters killing other gangsters. I don’t have the specific case or file numbers at my disposal but I’ve been involved in those investigations. I just retired recently.

Stabbing Charges Dropped against 19-Year-Old Student after Self-Defense Claim - Davis Vanguard

By Vy Tran

www.davisvanguard.org

Let me be clear, I think the poster should be very concerned about his daughter being stalked and she should have protection. I’m merely stating that dirt bags could use a self defense mechanism to escape justice. Of course it works both ways, the daughter can legally kill her stalker if he does something that warrants that. Either way, it’s a tough situation and I wish the best for them.

Thanks and since this guy has done jail/prison time he is aware of what he can and cannot do. Jail/prison makes them smarter and better criminals.

 

[77charger]

I studied this alot , the word "fire arm" seems to be Key and the Byrna is not a fire arm

Was just wondering cause I know I’m some places even a BB gun is considered a firearm. Guess this somehow bypasses the law which is better than nothing.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Here is one from a week and a half ago, obviously circumstances will be different in every situation. The key component is that people can get away with killing other people by claiming self defense. I’ve seen it many times before, usually gangsters killing other gangsters. I don’t have the specific case or file numbers at my disposal but I’ve been involved in those investigations. I just retired recently.

Stabbing Charges Dropped against 19-Year-Old Student after Self-Defense Claim - Davis Vanguard

By Vy Tran

www.davisvanguard.org

Let me be clear, I think the poster should be very concerned about his daughter being stalked and she should have protection. I’m merely stating that dirt bags could use a self defense mechanism to escape justice. Of course it works both ways, the daughter can legally kill her stalker if he does something that warrants that. Either way, it’s a tough situation and I wish the best for them.

I think that example indicates the opposite

Bad guy breaking into cars, citizen armed with knife confronts him, bad guy says he will shoot the citizen and makes furtive gestures to draw a firearm, citizen stabs him and kills him. Citizen was exonerated for self defense. As a hypothetical, the bad guy in this scenario could not legally claim self defense as his motivation for trying to draw a firearm because he was in the process of committing a crime.

This is great example of why you shouldn't put your life and your future at risk to try to save your insurance company money, they won't say thank you.

 

[Aces & Eights]

I think that example indicates the opposite

Bad guy breaking into cars, citizen armed with knife confronts him, bad guy says he will shoot the citizen and makes furtive gestures to draw a firearm, citizen stabs him and kills him. Citizen was exonerated for self defense. As a hypothetical, the bad guy in this scenario could not legally claim self defense as his motivation for trying to draw a firearm because he was in the process of committing a crime.

This is great example of why you shouldn't put your life and your future at risk to try to save your insurance company money, they won't say thank you.

I agree. Like I said tho, it can work both ways. In that case the citizen was able to defend himself from a dirt bag criminal. But in reality the citizen killed and unarmed person. The citizen won’t be charged, that is justice.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

back on topic, less lethal uses of force (no matter the kind) can unfortunately be finnicky. For example on the TASER, if you miss one of the two probes that are fired the circuit is not complete and all you did was put a small dart sized hole in them and make them angrier, the kinetic byrna sounds like it's a pain compliance device but if you encounter someone whacked out on PCP they may not feel the pain, pepper sprays appear to effect everyone differently based on how their body processes the chemicals etc.

With all of that being said, I would recommend some combination of the above to increase your chances of effectiveness. Even with lethal tools on my person at all times, I have a POM pepper spray on a pocket clip with me at all times. Thank God I've never had to use it, but I like the fact that it gives me options between a fist fight and lethal. With sprays you will generally have 3 different styles, gel, stream, or fog. I like stream because it works instantly (gel can have a time delay to take effect) but is less effected by wind and has more range than a fog.

Amazon.com

 

[RitcheyRch]

@ArizonaKevin

I spoke with my daughter and she said she took a gun safety class like 10+ years ago but doesn't really remember anything. So, think the smaller one that would fit in her purse would be best.

Does she have experience shooting firearms before? I feel like the Pulse https://taser.com/products/pulse is easier to shoot since it is shaped like a traditional pistol. The Bolt https://taser.com/products/bolt2 is smaller and easier to carry in a purse or a bag, but in my opinion harder to shoot accurately, especially for people who have shooting experience.

 

[jetboatperformance]

Was just wondering cause I know I’m some places even a BB gun is considered a firearm. Guess this somehow bypasses the law which is better than nothing.

Encourage anyone to do their own legal research however >>>>> You may carry either openly or concealed. Irritant powder shotgun shells are prohibited, but baton/bean bag shells are not. A less lethal weapon (defined by 16780) cannot be sold to anyone under 18 (19405), except a stun gun may be purchased by some 16 or older with written parental permission.

 

[Jefftowz]

My neighbor is a distributer, Let me know if you want to see and touch one let me know, 818-974-4555 his prices are great also. Do not use Bear spray.. Big felony..

 

[RitcheyRch]

Does my daughter need to go to the sheriff department or the court house to file a restraining order against this person? Any fees associated with filing a restraining order?