General Union Question - about transferring to another state.

[probablecause]

My 20 year old son just joined a union shop (pipe fitting) where he does the CAD work. I am will be retiring and moving to another state and taking everyone, but him. However, I want him with us but he just started trade school here in LA and says that he can't "lateral" and has to finish the trade school here or he has to start over. He has only been in the school about 4 months. If someone can help me answer that question, that would be great. Shoot me a PM or respond here. Thanks, Brendan

 

[BHC Vic]

I’m a union carpenter. I can transfer my book anywhere in the country. I can also get a work permit and leave my books in Cali and just be dispatched. That’s what I did while working in Vegas and Arizona

 

[hallett21]

I’m a union carpenter. I can transfer my book anywhere in the country. I can also get a work permit and leave my books in Cali and just be dispatched. That’s what I did while working in Vegas and Arizona

But as an apprentice?


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[BHC Vic]

He should be able to work wherever he wants. May need to take the class in Cali though. Classes for us are one week every 3 months

 

[BHC Vic]

Just got an apprentice transferred from Vegas to here in Orange County. He worked for me out there and called and asked if I could get him a job here. Vegas is still part of the Southwest so not much different.

 

[hallett21]

He should be able to work wherever he wants. May need to take the class in Cali though. Classes for us are one week every 3 months

When I was in IBEW we had class twice a week. At night.

If you wanted to transfer to another local and maintain your status (year 1-5). Both locals had to approve. If not then you started over at the year one wherever you went. Also you could only transfer after you completed a milestone.

Halfway through year 3 transfer would make you a year 2 at a different local.

Edit: I really enjoyed the company I worked for and was willing to work all over CA. I worked from San Diego to San Jose. Had I or my boss been caught we would both have been in big trouble because you are only supposed to hire apprentices from that specific local.

Union taught me a lot but good god are the rules funky. Definitely catered towards the lowest denominator. Even though some of the best people I’ve worked along side were Union


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[BHC Vic]

That doesn’t make sense for lots of reasons but I don’t have time to explain my thoughts right now it’s clean up day [emoji51]


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[Bobby V]

But as an apprentice?


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My buddy just moved to Oregon to work for a fire sprinkler company. His son is a low period apprentice. He transferred into the fire sprinkler road local so he could move also. Doesn't happen that often though.

 

[supernick]

Local 250?
Hot side?
I think as a cold side apprentice we can travel but I am not 100% about the hot side.

 

[probablecause]

I don't know the jargon but he does the CAD in an office.

 

[BHC Vic]

4 months isn’t much. Honestly I wouldn’t even sweat it if they said start over

 

[Bobby V]

I don't know the jargon but he does the CAD in an office.

So he is a detailer / designer? Is he in a trade school, or an apprentice training program that is tied into a union. If so what local.

 

[highvoltagehands]

Didn’t know pipe fitters had CAD apprentices. In IBEW and most other union apprenticeships, transferring is not a union decision but an apprenticeship decision. As long as the apprenticeships agree to the transfer it’s not a problem with the union. Hope this helps.

 

[Bobby V]

Didn’t know pipe fitters had CAD apprentices. In IBEW and most other union apprenticeships, transferring is not a union decision but an apprenticeship decision. As long as the apprenticeships agree to the transfer it’s not a problem with the union. Hope this helps.

My union is looking into starting an apprentice engineering / CADD program. Some of the new type of apprentices are in the training program and after a year or two they don't want to work in the field anymore. So let them try the design part of the industry. Most journeyman detailers for the pipe trades came from the field.

 

[Pivot]

My batt is dying stand by. Im a fitter superintendent. Does he know revit?

 

[Pivot]

Didn’t know pipe fitters had CAD apprentices. In IBEW and most other union apprenticeships, transferring is not a union decision but an apprenticeship decision. As long as the apprenticeships agree to the transfer it’s not a problem with the union. Hope this helps.

You cant transfer as apprentice. I have tried.

 

[Havasu blue label]

Just ask the ba or ask the shop to loan him out to the new shop 90 days then transfer vacation pay been out of union for a long time I could walk right in to any state and start at a journeyman level

 

[Bobby V]

You cant transfer as apprentice. I have tried.

I know its rare. But if another local out of state needs apprentices, can't they try and get them to allow a transfer.

 

[Bobby V]

Just ask the ba or ask the shop to loan him out to the new shop 90 days then transfer vacation pay been out of union for a long time I could walk right in to any state and start at a journeyman level

Are you in good standing with your union. Dues up to date....

 

[Pivot]

Ok so dont quote me but heres my understanding.
If he was wanting to transfer within district 16, santa Barbara (roughly) to the az border to sd border its possible but tough. District 16 covers that area with dozens of local union numbers. If he moved from LA withing the area AND stayed with the same company then some deals could be made. If he quit the company and chose to relocate to another area anywhere in the states he starts over, including the district 16 territory.
Now if he was about 3rd year apprentice or later he could claim prior experience and MAYBE get in with higher pay. BUT he can not start school as anything but year 1.
This all depends on the apprentice employment 'book'. If theres a bunch not working then no way.
Now before anyone says WTF. Consider this, if your in a city lets say OC and your a apprentice not working how is it fair to have a guy come in and start where he left off in another city. The idea is protecting the local workers so they dont need to be unemployed.
Also. Each local PAYS for apprenticeship training. My monthly dues pay for it. The local union is not in the business to invest money in a guy that will leave.
If you did 5 years of apprenticeship training and poof you go non union you can expect a lawyer to send you a bill for the training. Roughly 15k a year. You sign a contract stating this when you join.
So, yes he will start over in school.

But, its very interesting he is doing CAD as a early apprentice. Theres a massive BIM shortage which is hurting all contractors. I wasnt aware the unions allowed this. Most likely they dont know. The reason they dont allow it is there is no field experience. You can't virtual design without field knowledge and expect a good final product. It also creates a out a balance playing field. The pay scale from 1st year apprentice to journeyman difference is about 20$ a hour.
If i was allowed to use 1st year apprentices to draw i would have a room filled like a sweat shop.
You also CANT get a UA weld certification as a 1st year apprentice typically. (There are exceptions). There reason is quality, it really does take years of traning.

With that said, if he knows Revit and wants to start school at year 1 let me know what city.

I just spent 5 hours today discussing the shortage of these guys.

Last. Once your a journeyman you can go anywhere. You will pay travel dues to the local you end up at and dues to your home local. You CAN transfer full time to another local. Theres a cost associated and you sign the out of work list at the bottom. It can be tough. Most guy do the 'travel' method, once established with a contractor the move full time to the local. Or hit the road for the next big overtime project

RR

 

[Pivot]

I know its rare. But if another local out of state needs apprentices, can't they try and get them to allow a transfer.

Yes. If they need them. You can sometimes cut a deal to start at the year you left. Super rare

 

[Pivot]

Just ask the ba or ask the shop to loan him out to the new shop 90 days then transfer vacation pay been out of union for a long time I could walk right in to any state and start at a journeyman level

As a journeyman you are correct. Not apprentice.
You need to be in good standing, not behind on dues and not collecting pensions

 

[probablecause]

Thank you. He was doing half and half but is in the field full time now. But he knows Revit and the other one that they used. He said one is older software. Looking to get him into Boise area.

 

[trucker507]

If he is out of 250 the meeting is tonight he should go and ask, but riverroyal is correct you usally cant transfer as a apprentice

 

[BHC Vic]

What’s the pay as a journeyman over there? He could join the carpenters and do the same type of work with a lot less hassle from what I’m reading. I work for the apprenticeship as an instructor

 

[Bobby V]

If he is out of 250 the meeting is tonight he should go and ask, but riverroyal is correct you usally cant transfer as a apprentice

He's out of Colton LU 364.

 

[probablecause]

Thanks for all of your help. I will pass on the info. Thanks for the phone call Bobby V.