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Do any of you guys use a property management service out in havasu? I'm seriously looking at buying and I know I will be way over budget. So, renting it out will be a must. Just wondering what it costs to have a prop manager handle that.. ?
 

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Edit this is "long term" rental rates below...

Industry Rule of thumb is 10% but that fluctuates up to 20% and often includes a full month for find a tenant etc. There is about to be a new player in that industry in havasu that I'll PM you about.

Regardless of who you use, understand their contract especially maintenance requests/repairs etc. There is some very dirty practices that take place in the industry if you aren't paying attention.
 
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Industry Rule of thumb is 10% but that fluctuates up to 20% and often includes a full month for find a tenant etc. There is about to be a new player in that industry in havasu that I'll PM you about.

Regardless of who you use, understand their contract especially maintenance requests/repairs etc. There is some very dirty practices that take place in the industry if you aren't paying attention.

My neighbor in havasu is looking for one too......... please send me the same PM
 

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Nix on Destination Havasu. Dirty maintenance and billing practices.
 
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On the other side of the coin I rent a house full time through LHC properties.
No complaints as a renter, but I’m a very good tenant. As a former home owner I take good care to not damage or let things regress.
 
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10 % ? For short and long term. Around here short term vacay approaches 30%.
 
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Just do it yourself, it is super easy. A few people I know with property managers are not booked right now and my calendar has been pretty steady.

I have my own iron clad contract, good cleaning crew and we installed a Schlage Encode Smart Lock that I can control via the Amazon Key App.


Personally, I would not buy over budget and bank on rentals. It takes a little while to get it up and running with steady bookings. All our summer rentals are organic/SOI and then I do short term (AirBNB) for the fall/winter. The consistent income didn't happen overnight, we have been at this for 3 years now.

Just keep in mind that you aren't going to close escrow and then have people lining up to rent. The short term market in Havasu is getting saturated and this is the off season right now. Rental companies in town are having a tough time getting bookings, I see it all the time in our rental owners Facebook group.
 

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Just do it yourself, it is super easy. A few people I know with property managers are not booked right now and my calendar has been pretty steady.

I have my own iron clad contract, good cleaning crew and we installed a Schlage Encode Smart Lock that I can control via the Amazon Key App.


Personally, I would not buy over budget and bank on rentals. It takes a little while to get it up and running with steady bookings. All our summer rentals are organic/SOI and then I do short term (AirBNB) for the fall/winter. The consistent income didn't happen overnight, we have been at this for 3 years now.

Just keep in mind that you aren't going to close escrow and then have people lining up to rent. The short term market in Havasu is getting saturated and this is the off season right now. Rental companies in town are having a tough time getting bookings, I see it all the time in our rental owners Facebook group.

This is actually a really good overview of it. A lot of long term rentals converted to short and saturated it. Our neighbor who unfortunately short term rents their house, has a snowbird coming in for 5 months since it slowed down. Hopefully this eliminates the 3am mariachi music, and the retaliatory "Good Morning Vietnam" at 6am from our backyard audio that I can control from my phone here in TX. 😅 If you are after short term my advice above goes out...thats 30% plus from what I've seen but like others said you can do it yourself.

I wouldn't bank on it being rented to cover your mortgage, if it happens that way great but that's a super shaky investment to make otherwise. Also invest in some good exterior cameras...as well as talk to your neighbors..seriously talk to them and try to be a good neighbor/landlord. Our next door neighbor in havasu torched any chance of us ever being friendly with him. We are cordial, but I'd never lift a finger to help him, nor offer him a garage beer, etc. He kinda pissed all over that with the airbnb deal renting to partiers, having our house broke into by one of his renters, beer cans going over our fence into pool etc.

They used some company called evolve...they are worthless IMO. Their property manager locally sucks, there is rarely not a pile of garbage there, and they have no issue letting it sit (this isn't a cheap house..1mil+)
 
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This is actually a really good overview of it. A lot of long term rentals converted to short and saturated it. Our neighbor who unfortunately short term rents their house, has a snowbird coming in for 5 months since it slowed down. Hopefully this eliminates the 3am mariachi music, and the retaliatory "Good Morning Vietnam" at 6am from our backyard audio that I can control from my phone here in TX. 😅 If you are after short term my advice above goes out...thats 30% plus from what I've seen but like others said you can do it yourself.

I wouldn't bank on it being rented to cover your mortgage, if it happens that way great but that's a super shaky investment to make otherwise. Also invest in some good exterior cameras...as well as talk to your neighbors..seriously talk to them and try to be a good neighbor/landlord. Our next door neighbor in havasu torched any chance of us ever being friendly with him. We are cordial, but I'd never lift a finger to help him, nor offer him a garage beer, etc. He kinda pissed all over that with the airbnb deal renting to partiers, having our house broke into by one of his renters, beer cans going over our fence into pool etc. They used some company called evolve...they are worthless IMO.
The air BnB next to me has calmed down dramatically after that first covid year.
At one point we had an impromptu neighborhood meeting in my driveway at noon one day when 8 carloads of white plate partiers were already puking over the wall. (Figuratively)
The neighbors 3 doors down couldn’t even sit by their pool because of the non stop screaming and music.
That went on for over 6 months it seemed.
The owner made some changes and it made a difference, along with the free money slowing down. The clientele changed back to more boaters and not so much trash. It was really bad there for a while.
To the OP, If you go the BnB route be prepared to either lay down the law yourself, or your neighbors will.
 

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I've been doing property management on my own properties here for a very long time. These "Management services" are a joke. I have my own contracts, screening service, service truck and the know-how to find and keep good tenants plus make any repairs or re-model as needed.

You're just not going to find that. Maybe I should start my own!
 

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We bought last year and decided to put our house on Airbnb when we aren’t using it. We cleaned up through 2020 and did ok this year. A few months ago it really started to dry up since we don’t have a pool and it seems like everyone bought a vacation home counting on rentals paying for it.

If we had counted on short term rental taking care of the payment we would be screwed right now. My advice is not to buy anything you can’t afford without rents. The market is extremely diluted and starting around June you could look at any given weekend and see 200 homes available on Airbnb.

That said we run our own rental without a property manager. I really don’t think that many of them see it as more than a paycheck and the level of care that I expect for my own property is higher than I think they would give. I monitor cameras on check in and out as well as a few spot checks to make sure there aren’t a bunch of cars out front for a party or anything. All cameras are exterior except for the garage and disclosed to the renters so there isn’t anything sneaky about it. Garage one gives me a pretty good idea of the noise levels and aside from a few renters early 2020 we have been very lucky and pain free.
 

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Wife just informed me that she saw a house that is similar to ours. It is currently listed to rent for $2500. 🤯🤯🤯 Last year ours was rented around $1300. When our tenants moved in March of this year they had a hard time finding another house to move to.
 

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We bought last year and decided to put our house on Airbnb when we aren’t using it. We cleaned up through 2020 and did ok this year. A few months ago it really started to dry up since we don’t have a pool and it seems like everyone bought a vacation home counting on rentals paying for it.

If we had counted on short term rental taking care of the payment we would be screwed right now. My advice is not to buy anything you can’t afford without rents. The market is extremely diluted and starting around June you could look at any given weekend and see 200 homes available on Airbnb.

That said we run our own rental without a property manager. I really don’t think that many of them see it as more than a paycheck and the level of care that I expect for my own property is higher than I think they would give. I monitor cameras on check in and out as well as a few spot checks to make sure there aren’t a bunch of cars out front for a party or anything. All cameras are exterior except for the garage and disclosed to the renters so there isn’t anything sneaky about it. Garage one gives me a pretty good idea of the noise levels and aside from a few renters early 2020 we have been very lucky and pain free.

Interesting to see how the market flipped and how fast it happened.
 

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Wife just informed me that she saw a house that is similar to ours. It is currently listed to rent for $2500. 🤯🤯🤯 Last year ours was rented around $1300. When our tenants moved in March of this year they had a hard time finding another house to move to.
My 1 year lease was up 15 months ago.
I’ve been here over 2 years.
No rent increase although I expect it every month! Lol
If and when it happens I will leave.
Hindsight clearly shows I fucked up not buying 2.3 years ago. However I won’t compound that mistake by paying resort level rent for long term.
For those of you that have rentals out long term, do you typically leave the rent alone for stellar tenants? As a tenant it’s good for me to see a saturated BnB market. It makes it less tempting for the home owners to kick me out.
 

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Wife just informed me that she saw a house that is similar to ours. It is currently listed to rent for $2500. 🤯🤯🤯 Last year ours was rented around $1300. When our tenants moved in March of this year they had a hard time finding another house to move to.

Id say thats not too far out of bounds. If its a nice place w/ a pool they're fetching some decent coin.
 

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Interesting to see how the market flipped and how fast it happened.
Yeah I can’t believe the phone calls we got from people who stayed at the house trying to buy it for cash off market. There will definitely be some adjustment for the people who bought above their ability.
 

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I don't like hearing this.

We sat down and interviewed them and I was impressed at how they present thier offering.

Did you get burned by them ? if you don't want to elaborate here you can PM me as I am planning on using them starting in Jan/Feb when the pool is done.

Some great advice in this thread I would be scared with a rental of any kind that had to be booked up a lot to cover the cost.

We have 3/2 that will have a brand new yard with pool jacuzzi fire pit bbq etc. All new flooring, paint and furniture. We will offer the 2 car garage to renters. The house has 3 cal king beds and 4 TV's so it's more set for 3 couples than multiple families or 12 guys. We are not looking to whore the place out every week, just interested in getting some rent to keep some write offs and cover some cost. Would love a couple month snowbird but we will see how it goes.
 

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Just do it yourself, it is super easy. A few people I know with property managers are not booked right now and my calendar has been pretty steady.

I have my own iron clad contract, good cleaning crew and we installed a Schlage Encode Smart Lock that I can control via the Amazon Key App.


Personally, I would not buy over budget and bank on rentals. It takes a little while to get it up and running with steady bookings. All our summer rentals are organic/SOI and then I do short term (AirBNB) for the fall/winter. The consistent income didn't happen overnight, we have been at this for 3 years now.

Just keep in mind that you aren't going to close escrow and then have people lining up to rent. The short term market in Havasu is getting saturated and this is the off season right now. Rental companies in town are having a tough time getting bookings, I see it all the time in our rental owners Facebook group.
💯 If you can’t swing the mortgage with your current income, getting over your head is a design for failure!

We plan on renting our place to snowbirds next winter and possibly short term rentals on holiday weekends when we’re not usually there anyways and the rents fetch a pretty penny. We plan to use the added income to pay down the mortgage and hopefully pay it off within 10 years or less. Afterwards the extra income will be used to supplement our retirement travel 😀
 
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The air BnB next to me has calmed down dramatically after that first covid year.
At one point we had an impromptu neighborhood meeting in my driveway at noon one day when 8 carloads of white plate partiers were already puking over the wall. (Figuratively)
The neighbors 3 doors down couldn’t even sit by their pool because of the non stop screaming and music.
That went on for over 6 months it seemed.
The owner made some changes and it made a difference, along with the free money slowing down. The clientele changed back to more boaters and not so much trash. It was really bad there for a while.
To the OP, If you go the BnB route be prepared to either lay down the law yourself, or your neighbors will.

Our neighbors bought theirs in 2020...so we only had to deal with it later in the year. 2021 summer was unpleasant putting it lightly. We thoroughly regret selling that lot to our "friends" who built and then sold it.. I think I'm pretty easy to deal with, I'm on the younger end of RDP and we get it...they are here to have a good time. However having drunk's you invite from the bar beating on our doors at 3am, jumping our locked gates etc bc they think its the "right place" gets old. I tolerated a lot before I started being very petty. 4th of July was honestly laughable but irked me. @Shlbyntro was there...fucking mariachi music all day and all night..on the 4th of July. After a while I turned on some Aaron lewis, David Allen Coe etc...my outdoor audio is much more capable than theirs (thanks sound bank lol) and the other neighbors are up north that time of year..and the ones who are around are my kind of people so they are 100% on board with retaliation...:eek:😅🤣🤣. Those tenants got the hint I think...🤷‍♂️ I've had to have more than one come to Jesus meeting with tenants while in town, one of which was reflected on their review site...guy was lucky he didn't get shot over being in my locked back yard when my wife, mom, and kids were in the house at 2am.

OP....talk to the neighbors and as @was thatguy said be prepared to either lay down the law yourself or your neighbors will and you will suffer for it.
 

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My 1 year lease was up 15 months ago.
I’ve been here over 2 years.
No rent increase although I expect it every month! Lol
If and when it happens I will leave.
Hindsight clearly shows I fucked up not buying 2.3 years ago. However I won’t compound that mistake by paying resort level rent for long term.
For those of you that have rentals out long term, do you typically leave the rent alone for stellar tenants? As a tenant it’s good for me to see a saturated BnB market. It makes it less tempting for the home owners to kick me out.
I have a duplex on the Southside....one longterm tenant (5+years at this point)...shes awesome, never have any issues..she pays the original agreed (far under market) rent...I'd never raise her rent...shes fixed income and takes care of the place big time. She's a friend of my mom's, and I've been friends with her daughter for 15 years or so. The other side is well over double her rate. I'd rather have her pretty much forever at this point vs a short term quick buck and deal with repairs/damage. You don't do good tenants dirty. I wish I could have every tenant be like her.
 

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I have a duplex on the Southside....one longterm tenant (5+years at this point)...shes awesome, never have any issues..she pays the original agreed (far under market) rent...I'd never raise her rent...shes fixed income and takes care of the place big time. She's a friend of my mom's, and I've been friends with her daughter for 15 years or so. The other side is well over double her rate. I'd rather have her pretty much forever at this point vs a short term quick buck and deal with repairs/damage. You don't do good tenants dirty. I wish I could have every tenant be like her.
I pay early, am there less than half the time typically due to work, own no junkers, have no visitors, no kids tearing up stuff, no nothing that are typical renter problems.

Last 4th the jackasses at the BnB were launching mortars in the middle of the street.
Stopping traffic. (Flatbillers with big trucks and white plates) I didn’t care a lot because it was the 4th, until one shot into my driveway.
 

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The air BnB next to me has calmed down dramatically after that first covid year.
At one point we had an impromptu neighborhood meeting in my driveway at noon one day when 8 carloads of white plate partiers were already puking over the wall. (Figuratively)
The neighbors 3 doors down couldn’t even sit by their pool because of the non stop screaming and music.
That went on for over 6 months it seemed.
The owner made some changes and it made a difference, along with the free money slowing down. The clientele changed back to more boaters and not so much trash. It was really bad there for a while.
To the OP, If you go the BnB route be prepared to either lay down the law yourself, or your neighbors will.
I pay early, am there less than half the time typically due to work, own no junkers, have no visitors, no kids tearing up stuff, no nothing that are typical renter problems.

Last 4th the jackasses at the BnB were launching mortars in the middle of the street.
Stopping traffic. (Flatbillers with big trucks and white plates) I didn’t care a lot because it was the 4th, until one shot into my driveway.
White plates noted…lol
 

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I can definitely swing another mortgage.. I just wanna recoup a bit of cash while the house is not being used by me like the rest you ballerz..😉
 

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💯 If you can’t swing the mortgage with your current income, getting over your head is a design for failure!

We plan on renting our place to snowbirds next winter and possibly short term rentals on holiday weekends when we’re not usually there anyways and the rents fetch a pretty penny. We plan to use the added income to pay down the mortgage and hopefully pay it off within 10 years or less. Afterwards the extra income will be used to supplement our retirement travel 😀
Our initial plan when we were looking was to do AirBNB and then snowbirds in the winter. Ended up deciding against the weekend rentals and haven’t even rented to snowbirds yet as we have enjoyed going up in the winter. Hell at this point I’d almost rather do a summer bird rental and keep use of it in the spring/ fall.
 

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My 1 year lease was up 15 months ago.
I’ve been here over 2 years.
No rent increase although I expect it every month! Lol
If and when it happens I will leave.
Hindsight clearly shows I fucked up not buying 2.3 years ago. However I won’t compound that mistake by paying resort level rent for long term.
For those of you that have rentals out long term, do you typically leave the rent alone for stellar tenants? As a tenant it’s good for me to see a saturated BnB market. It makes it less tempting for the home owners to kick me out.

Tommy….we typically leave the rent rates alone if we like the tenants. Maybe every other year a little increase about 5-10%. IF we don’t like the tenant then we push it as much as possible. My mother had a few tenants that had been in her units 15-25 years. Rents considerably less than the market. The tenants took care of the units and the rents reflected it. The way that I look at it is that for around $100 a month it is not worth upsetting the apple cart. Now once the good tenant moves out the unit goes back to market rates
 

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I have a duplex on the Southside....one longterm tenant (5+years at this point)...shes awesome, never have any issues..she pays the original agreed (far under market) rent...I'd never raise her rent...shes fixed income and takes care of the place big time. She's a friend of my mom's, and I've been friends with her daughter for 15 years or so. The other side is well over double her rate. I'd rather have her pretty much forever at this point vs a short term quick buck and deal with repairs/damage. You don't do good tenants dirty. I wish I could have every tenant be
I've had my tenant for over 10 years paying 1/3 of the market if that. She takes care of house I bought in 93
The problem in HAV is the rent is being increase by all short term rentals and corporation the locals cant afford it. In time it will be like LA
with a lot homeless or several families under one roof
just my 2 cents
 

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Tommy….we typically leave the rent rates alone if we like the tenants. Maybe every other year a little increase about 5-10%. IF we don’t like the tenant then we push it as much as possible. My mother had a few tenants that had been in her units 15-25 years. Rents considerably less than the market. The tenants took care of the units and the rents reflected it. The way that I look at it is that for around $100 a month it is not worth upsetting the apple cart. Now once the good tenant moves out the unit goes back to market rates
Are you guys in town?
I think I owe you a beer still.
 

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I've had my tenant for over 10 years paying 1/3 of the market if that. She takes care of house I bought in 93
The problem in HAV is the rent is being increase by all short term rentals and corporation the locals cant afford it. In time it will be like LA
with a lot homeless or several families under one roof
just my 2 cents

I’ll move to another town!
Maybe around LOTO, or maybe Florida.
 

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Are you guys in town?
I think I owe you a beer still.
Yes, we are. You have it backwards I owe you a few beers. LOL. It has been crazy busy and you had your surgery. But now things are freeing up a bit. When do you want to go grab a beer?
 

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Interesting to see how the market flipped and how fast it happened.

My snowbirds said their friends were having a hard time finding a place. I didn’t ask if it was from the increase in rents or just lack of inventory. I know many Canadians are not coming down again this year.
 

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I don't like hearing this.

We sat down and interviewed them and I was impressed at how they present thier offering.

Did you get burned by them ? if you don't want to elaborate here you can PM me as I am planning on using them starting in Jan/Feb when the pool is done.

Some great advice in this thread I would be scared with a rental of any kind that had to be booked up a lot to cover the cost.

We have 3/2 that will have a brand new yard with pool jacuzzi fire pit bbq etc. All new flooring, paint and furniture. We will offer the 2 car garage to renters. The house has 3 cal king beds and 4 TV's so it's more set for 3 couples than multiple families or 12 guys. We are not looking to whore the place out every week, just interested in getting some rent to keep some write offs and cover some cost. Would love a couple month snowbird but we will see how it goes.
We have used Destination Havasu for our vacation summer rental house for many years. We are the renter each summer. We thought of buying in Havasu many times but other priorities came first. Brenda, Rachael, Don and their family have treated us very well thru the years.
 

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My snowbirds said their friends were having a hard time finding a place. I didn’t ask if it was from the increase in rents or just lack of inventory. I know many Canadians are not coming down again this year.
It’s likely both. A lot of people who have rented their homes to snowbirds over the years have converted to AirBnB. The money is much better over the short 2-3 months most snowbirds only want to stay. Additionally they use to come to Havasu because rents were cheap for monthly rentals. So if you can actually find one the price has gone up on average 20%-40% higher than pre-pandemic prices. 😮 That’s a hard pill to swallow on a fixed income!!
 

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My snowbirds said their friends were having a hard time finding a place. I didn’t ask if it was from the increase in rents or just lack of inventory. I know many Canadians are not coming down again this year.
I think it’s lack of inventory. I put my place on Zillow and got a renter for 3 months for my place in BHC. There wasn’t much inventory for rent back in September when I listed it and I was getting interest from people looking for a full time rental. I put it on there at what I thought was slightly over market at 2k/mo. Didn’t get any resistance on the price.
 

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. I monitor cameras on check in and out as well as a few spot checks to make sure there aren’t a bunch of cars out front for a party or anything. All cameras are exterior except for the garage and disclosed to the renters so there isn’t anything sneaky about it. Garage one gives me a pretty good idea of the noise levels and aside from a few renters early 2020 we have been very lucky and pain free.
What Camera set up are you using ?
 

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What Camera set up are you using ?
Ring Spotlight outside, indoor stickup. I had some internet issues early on but after installing a netgear modem and router combo unit instead of the Suddenlink unit I have had flawless coverage. Schlage wifi keypad lock for the front door and MyQ for the garage door.
 

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Ring Spotlight outside, indoor stickup. I had some internet issues early on but after installing a netgear modem and router combo unit instead of the Suddenlink unit I have had flawless coverage. Schlage wifi keypad lock for the front door and MyQ for the garage door.
Thank you
 

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It’s likely both. A lot of people who have rented their homes to snowbirds over the years have converted to AirBnB. The money is much better over the short 2-3 months most snowbirds only want to stay. Additionally they use to come to Havasu because rents were cheap for monthly rentals. So if you can actually find one the price has gone up on average 20%-40% higher than pre-pandemic prices. 😮 That’s a hard pill to swallow on a fixed income!!

I have birds coming in for a 60 day rental. They are paying just under $5k all in
 

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I've been with Copper Canyon Realty for a few years now and they've done right by me. The managers have done some nice stuff, like taken comforters home and washed them, and have personally done some work in the house and charged me for supplies only, even when I've authorized paying for pros to do it. My place is not a destination (eg no pool/game room/outdoor kitchen, etc...) and I'm a summer boater, so I only rent by the month in the winter. Winter monthly renters take care of the house, respect neighbors, and pay for boating and prop taxes, which all keep the neighbors neighborly when the house is empty. Win win win.
 

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I have birds coming in for a 60 day rental. They are paying just under $5k all in

I have my original birds coming back in this winter for 90 days. They have not been in 2 years. I raised the rent $300/month from our previous contract from 2019 and it is still probably $500/month or more under what I could get in today's market. They are great people and keep the house spotless.
 
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