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Exclusive: True Velocity Forms Strategic Alliances with Dillon Aero and General Dynamics
Chris Mudgett - January 22, 2019
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G&A is here to bring you news that True Velocity is announcing a couple of very strategic alliances, bringing them steps closer to its intended goal of supporting the warfighter with a revolutionary new form of small arms ammunition.

Alliance with Dillon Aero

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Dillon Aero is best known for its bullet-hose, the M134D minigun, in service with the U.S. Military and 30 of its allies. Mounted on everything from small MATV’s to rotary-wing aircraft, the M134D is capable of firing in excess of 3,000 rounds of 7.62 NATO per minute.

“Dillon Aero is excited about partnering with True Velocity,” said Dillon’s Nick Perfetto, vice president of business affairs. “Their advanced technology and weight reduction bring an advanced level of capability to today’s warfighter. The combination of True Velocity’s ammunition and the Dillon M134D on the battlefield is a game changer!”

Following a lengthy period of rigorous safety and functionality testing from both ground and aerial platforms, True Velocity and Dillon Aero have agreed to a strategic partnership aimed at providing the U.S. military’s rotary wing and ground units with a firepower solution that is far more effective and reliable than any other small-caliber solution currently available.

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True Velocity has been working closely with Dillon Aero to validate the effectiveness and reliability of their composite-cased ammunition in the M134D weapon system, firing thousands of rounds through the minigun over the course of the last year. The M134D reliably cycles True Velocity’s ammunition, a claim that no other composite-cased ammunition can make. Even brass-cased ammunition has had reliability issues in the M134D.

To put it in perspective, the standard loadout on a AH-6 “Little Bird” equipped with an M134D is 6,000 rounds of 7.62 NATO. As compared to brass-cased ammunition, True Velocity ammunition yields a 240-pound weight savings per basic payload, which allows the helicopter to take on enough additional fuel to allow for 39 additional minutes of flight time.

One of the concerns associated with the M134D is the way it can cook-off live rounds with brass-cased ammunition. A cook-off occurs when a cartridge sits in a hot chamber and spontaneously fires because the powder inside the case becomes hot enough to ignite.

Dillon has a 1,500-round test they run on the M134D and found brass-cased ammunition will cook-off after sitting in the chamber for anywhere from 3 to 60 seconds. Using True Velocity’s composite-cased ammunition, Dillon recorded a 20-percent lower bore temperature (thanks to the case insulating the chamber), which ultimately led them to a 2,200-round test on the ammunition. Dillon had to wait 5 minutes before one case got hot enough to melt — but the bullet never left the barrel. The absence of cook-offs in a Minigun should bring a welcome sigh of relief from end users.

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Next Generation .50 Caliber Machine Gun

The developmental partnership will also extend to Dillon Aero’s forthcoming M503D .50-caliber machine gun, which the company expects to field before the end of 2019. Designed for employment by air, land and sea, this new gun will feature three barrels and the ability to shoot 1,500 rounds per minute. It is said to be lighter, faster and smarter than existing .50-caliber machine guns.

In July 2018, the U.S. Army awarded contracts to five companies to develop prototypes of the Next Generation Squad Weapons Systems to replace the M4 and M249 platforms.

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One of the contracts went to General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems (GD-OTS), who partnered with True Velocity to support its new weapon systems. True Velocity’s composite case design will yield significant ballistic improvements over traditional brass-cased ammunition, while also reducing the weight of a loaded cartridge, improving accuracy, decreasing thermal heat signature and diminishing wear and tear on the weapon system.

Weight Savings

The most obvious difference between brass-cased and composite-cased ammunition is a weight reduction of 30 percent, on average. While most of us are not overly concerned with the weight of ammunition as it relates to aviation, the guys on the ground should pay attention.

A basic loadout for any soldier is seven magazines for a total of 210 rounds carried. Switching nothing but the ammunition to True Velocity’s composite-cased 5.56 NATO cartridges allows the same soldier to carry 300 rounds at the same weight. If sticking with the 210-round basic load, the weight savings would allow that same soldier to carry more water or mission-essential equipment.
 

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Wow pretty cool tech - I wonder if that will be available for civlian purchase?
 

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in before the liberals say they will make it thru a metal dectector and are putting every one at risk.

my only hope is they berdan prime them so some idiot does not try and reload them.
 

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Exclusive: True Velocity Forms Strategic Alliances with Dillon Aero and General Dynamics
Chris Mudgett - January 22, 2019
TrueVelocityAlliance-770.jpg



TrueVelocityAlliance-3.jpg


G&A is here to bring you news that True Velocity is announcing a couple of very strategic alliances, bringing them steps closer to its intended goal of supporting the warfighter with a revolutionary new form of small arms ammunition.

Alliance with Dillon Aero

TrueVelocityAlliance-5.jpg

Dillon Aero is best known for its bullet-hose, the M134D minigun, in service with the U.S. Military and 30 of its allies. Mounted on everything from small MATV’s to rotary-wing aircraft, the M134D is capable of firing in excess of 3,000 rounds of 7.62 NATO per minute.

“Dillon Aero is excited about partnering with True Velocity,” said Dillon’s Nick Perfetto, vice president of business affairs. “Their advanced technology and weight reduction bring an advanced level of capability to today’s warfighter. The combination of True Velocity’s ammunition and the Dillon M134D on the battlefield is a game changer!”

Following a lengthy period of rigorous safety and functionality testing from both ground and aerial platforms, True Velocity and Dillon Aero have agreed to a strategic partnership aimed at providing the U.S. military’s rotary wing and ground units with a firepower solution that is far more effective and reliable than any other small-caliber solution currently available.

TrueVelocityAlliance-6.jpg


True Velocity has been working closely with Dillon Aero to validate the effectiveness and reliability of their composite-cased ammunition in the M134D weapon system, firing thousands of rounds through the minigun over the course of the last year. The M134D reliably cycles True Velocity’s ammunition, a claim that no other composite-cased ammunition can make. Even brass-cased ammunition has had reliability issues in the M134D.

To put it in perspective, the standard loadout on a AH-6 “Little Bird” equipped with an M134D is 6,000 rounds of 7.62 NATO. As compared to brass-cased ammunition, True Velocity ammunition yields a 240-pound weight savings per basic payload, which allows the helicopter to take on enough additional fuel to allow for 39 additional minutes of flight time.

One of the concerns associated with the M134D is the way it can cook-off live rounds with brass-cased ammunition. A cook-off occurs when a cartridge sits in a hot chamber and spontaneously fires because the powder inside the case becomes hot enough to ignite.

Dillon has a 1,500-round test they run on the M134D and found brass-cased ammunition will cook-off after sitting in the chamber for anywhere from 3 to 60 seconds. Using True Velocity’s composite-cased ammunition, Dillon recorded a 20-percent lower bore temperature (thanks to the case insulating the chamber), which ultimately led them to a 2,200-round test on the ammunition. Dillon had to wait 5 minutes before one case got hot enough to melt — but the bullet never left the barrel. The absence of cook-offs in a Minigun should bring a welcome sigh of relief from end users.

TrueVelocityAlliance-7.jpg

Next Generation .50 Caliber Machine Gun

The developmental partnership will also extend to Dillon Aero’s forthcoming M503D .50-caliber machine gun, which the company expects to field before the end of 2019. Designed for employment by air, land and sea, this new gun will feature three barrels and the ability to shoot 1,500 rounds per minute. It is said to be lighter, faster and smarter than existing .50-caliber machine guns.

In July 2018, the U.S. Army awarded contracts to five companies to develop prototypes of the Next Generation Squad Weapons Systems to replace the M4 and M249 platforms.

TrueVelocityAlliance-9.jpg

TrueVelocityAlliance-10.jpg

One of the contracts went to General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems (GD-OTS), who partnered with True Velocity to support its new weapon systems. True Velocity’s composite case design will yield significant ballistic improvements over traditional brass-cased ammunition, while also reducing the weight of a loaded cartridge, improving accuracy, decreasing thermal heat signature and diminishing wear and tear on the weapon system.

Weight Savings

The most obvious difference between brass-cased and composite-cased ammunition is a weight reduction of 30 percent, on average. While most of us are not overly concerned with the weight of ammunition as it relates to aviation, the guys on the ground should pay attention.

A basic loadout for any soldier is seven magazines for a total of 210 rounds carried. Switching nothing but the ammunition to True Velocity’s composite-cased 5.56 NATO cartridges allows the same soldier to carry 300 rounds at the same weight. If sticking with the 210-round basic load, the weight savings would allow that same soldier to carry more water or mission-essential equipment.


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in before the liberals say they will make it thru a metal dectector and are putting every one at risk.

my only hope is they berdan prime them so some idiot does not try and reload them.

I'm not sure what how the polymer is affected when fired and if they could be reloaded. I'll see if I can find out (the company I work for is involved in this).

I'm not familiar with Berdan cases so I found this online: Berdan cases are reusable, although the process is rather involved. The used primer must be removed, usually by hydraulic pressure or a pincer or lever that pulls the primer out of the bottom. A new primer is carefully seated against the anvil, and then powder and a bullet are added.
 

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Kind of make sense I bet that case is really slippery, yes I know about expansion but the extractor should over come that with the back of the case being rigid and love how slippery that composite materiel is .
 

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I'm not sure what how the polymer is affected when fired and if they could be reloaded. I'll see if I can find out (the company I work for is involved in this).

I'm not familiar with Berdan cases so I found this online: Berdan cases are reusable, although the process is rather involved. The used primer must be removed, usually by hydraulic pressure or a pincer or lever that pulls the primer out of the bottom. A new primer is carefully seated against the anvil, and then powder and a bullet are added.
berdan primed cases do not have a anvil its in the primer themselves. so you can't just take a punch and knock out the primer as there is 2 small flash holes instead of 1 big one in. most of the berdan primer removal tools hook onto the rim of the case similar to a bottle openr with a spiked foot that goes into the firepin dent and pulls the primer out sideways. the other way is using hydrolic pressure.( tipcally in a press and a reloading die) its very slow and the primers are very hard to find.

I am assuming they are using some type of termo plastic. which means the heat will weaken the case to the point it can not be reloaded. this is not the 1st plastic cased rounds, just the 1st high pressure ones I have seen.


here is a good pic to tell them apart
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Awesome , were in process of using a similar product to make some of our new jet drive internal parts 20% Teflon infused Poly ... Tooling is done , engineers have come up with the material after alot of testing
 

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I think they glossed over a problem they said the case melted instead of cooking off a round, If you are in a battle and a round cooks off down range that will not affect the function of the weapon next time you need it but if it melts in the chamber how long will it take to get it working again and will you even know that your gun is not working could cost you your life!
 

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I’ve personally fired hundreds of thousands of rounds thru the M-134 (GAU-17) mini gun. Dillon Aero is solely responsible for every technological advancement of that weapon system over the years, to say the least. If they are behind this ammo, they’re right. The cases are not going to “melt” down in the chamber or cause issues cycled thru the cam path. Same performance and less weight. Wish it was available to us back in the good ol’ UH-1N, which was a severely weight restricted platform.
 

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Well, maybe if they make the casings out of renewable soy based biodegradable polymers that consume free carbon dioxide they can be labelled as good for the environment.
 

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There was plastic ammo back in the late 90s. Nammo I think. Had a lot of issues
 
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