Question for RDP Pool builders - Installing sheer descents

[steamin rice]

I am in the process of putting in a pool in my back yard - I am doing this as an owner builder, and so far things are moving along. The shotcrete was done in my pool a month ago or so, and I'm working to get the coping decking, and tile etc finished up to get ready for plaster.

I have a section of raised bond beam in my pool that will have sheer descents installed - The plumber ran pipes to the bond beam and stubbed out for the water connections to the sheer descents, and the shotcrete guys notched out the top of the bond beam to make room for the sheer descents.

Here is where I'm looking for some comments from the pool pros on here....

Which trade typically installs the sheer descents in the shotcrete? My plumber wants to be the one to connect the plumbing to each sheer descent, but he says that normally somebody else mortars in the actual sheer descent units. Is this something that my tile crew should be doing?

Basically the sheer descents need to be set in mortar and fixed in place and then the plumber will be right there to make the plumbing connections, then the coping for the top of the raised bond beam above the sheer descents can go in..

I have attached some pictures to try to show what I'm talking about, but I suspect that any pool builder will know what this is and what the best method s to complete this portion of the install.

 

[FlatNv]

Tile guys did mine,plumber connected.. also owner builder

 

[E4L]

Good looking pool[emoji106]

 

[Melloyellovector]

If your doing tile - set lip of sheer 3/4-1in past structure. You plumber can set now just by setting lip past the shell. The pipes look to be 2ft raised. If that still remains guys setting tile will still have movement on pipe to fine tune if needed. Tile guys come in grout around waterfall typically with spec mix and brown coat waterline to top. And they set tile. We typically pour coping first, fill sand in waterfall notch. After coping poured, remove forms, sand washes out. Then we set waterfall and then tile/stone. In my case it's all my guys doing all this. So it's not separate subs pointing fingers. Really makes no difference of what order it's done in. Regardless plumbers can set and carry on with tile guys

Edit: I just looked at other thread pics and see pipes are in the wall of structure. So tile guys won't have any movement/play. Still plumber can set and tile guys would mud around em later

 

[steamin rice]

If your doing tile - set lip of sheer 3/4-1in past structure. You plumber can set now just by setting lip past the shell. The pipes look to be 2ft raised. If that still remains guys setting tile will still have movement on pipe to fine tune if needed. Tile guys come in grout around waterfall typically with spec mix and brown coat waterline to top. And they set tile. We typically pour coping first, fill sand in waterfall notch. After coping poured, remove forms, sand washes out. Then we set waterfall and then tile/stone. In my case it's all my guys doing all this. So it's not separate subs pointing fingers. Really makes no difference of what order it's done in. Regardless plumbers can set and carry on with tile guys

Edit: I just looked at other thread pics and see pipes are in the wall of structure. So tile guys won't have any movement/play. Still plumber can set and tile guys would mud around em later

Thank you for the detailed explanation! And yes, the pipes come up through the inside of the wall, so there's not much room for play. I've asked the plumber a couple of times if he will be able to connect the plumbing once the sheers are set, and he tells me very confidently everytime yes no problem. He's an experienced pool plumber so I trust what he says, but I don't exactly understand it right now.

What I'm trying to do is have the plumber and tile guys here at the same time to figure it out. One of the drawbacks of doing an owner/builder is things like this. If it's not done correctly and there is a problem down the road, the subs will blame each other and it's on me to take care of it.

 

[Melloyellovector]

Thank you for the detailed explanation! And yes, the pipes come up through the inside of the wall, so there's not much room for play. I've asked the plumber a couple of times if he will be able to connect the plumbing once the sheers are set, and he tells me very confidently everytime yes no problem. He's an experienced pool plumber so I trust what he says, but I don't exactly understand it right now.

What I'm trying to do is have the plumber and tile guys here at the same time to figure it out. One of the drawbacks of doing an owner/builder is things like this. If it's not done correctly and there is a problem down the road, the subs will blame each other and it's on me to take care of it.

Ya with plumbing lines in the structure you won't be able to install debris/rock traps behind waterfalls. Not a major problem, but they're good insurance to make sure rocks don't end up inside waterfall body.
Waterfalls you will likely have to use standard lip to be able to fit waterfall and get plumbing behind them with out hanging out backside of wall.
In season with sch conflicts, I'd probably have plumber set so he can be done, that way tile guys can come as soon as they have time avail. No ones waiting on the other one.
FYI your garage pool house turned out bad ass :thumbsup