Roadside Smog checkpoints

[primetime]

Question is, do you have to stop? Those checkpoints that they put up to smog check on the on ramps or city roads. Seems like it would be the same as a dui checkpoint.

 

[Runs2rch]

Legally No you do not have to stop. You can say I am on my way to work, or a Dr's apt, or anything along those lines.

 

[aka619er]

Seems very wrong. A lot of cities don't require any smog tests (i.e. Yuma, AZ). I couldn't image anybody getting a ticket unless they show a current pass and their road side test shows otherwise.

 

[RitcheyRch]

I have been lead to believe this is correct.

Legally No you do not have to stop. You can say I am on my way to work, or a Dr's apt, or anything along those lines.

 

[Big B Hova]

Legally you can say I do not want to participate. If you do, they write down your liscence plate number and wave you though. The chp is there because they have to block off the lane and do traffic control. If your driving a hot rod truck with cam and no cats like I am, I just flip a bitch and do a burnout the opposite way.

 

[dribble]

You are not required to participate. The test result is not entered into the database and no citations are issued, even for vehicles that are completely stripped. The purpose is to gather data to report the effectiveness of the program back to EPA. They are trying to find out if the results in the field come close to matching the results in the actual stations. They know there will be some variance but if they find a 30% tamper rate in the field and a 2% tamper rate in the station test data, the EPA will conclude that the program is not effective in its current state and will add more requirements to bring us into compliance. The EPA requires that all states with a decentralized program do roadside testing and to report those results back to them.

The CHP is only there because BAR Reps do not have legal authority to stop/direct traffic. There have been a couple of occasions where drunk drivers were arrested but no one has ever been cited for illegal or missing smog equipment.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

You are not required to participate. The test result is not entered into the database and no citations are issued, even for vehicles that are completely stripped. The purpose is to gather data to report the effectiveness of the program back to EPA. They are trying to find out if the results in the field come close to matching the results in the actual stations. They know there will be some variance but if they find a 30% tamper rate in the field and a 2% tamper rate in the station test data, the EPA will conclude that the program is not effective in its current state and will add more requirements to bring us into compliance. The EPA requires that all states with a decentralized program do roadside testing and to report those results back to them.

The CHP is only there because BAR Reps do not have legal authority to stop/direct traffic. There have been a couple of occasions where drunk drivers were arrested but no one has ever been cited for illegal or missing smog equipment.

Really? A few years ago I heard of people getting tickets for missing cats.

 

[Abc123]

Legally you can say I do not want to participate. If you do, they write down your liscence plate number and wave you though. The chp is there because they have to block off the lane and do traffic control. If your driving a hot rod truck with cam and no cats like I am, I just flip a bitch and do a burnout the opposite way.

x2. I once made an illegal u-turn, over a double yellow, because I knew the CHP couldn't leave the site to chase me down to issue me a ticket. :thumbsup

 

[RVR2SNO]

These checkpoints are completely voluntary. The state Bureau of Automotive Repair contracts with the CHP to conduct these checkpoints to collect emission data for future auto standards.

 

[dribble]

Really? A few years ago I heard of people getting tickets for missing cats.

You heard wrong.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

You heard wrong.

I have seen these same kind of check points with the smog equipment set-up and a DOT CHP on site doing a vehicle inspection as well.

 

[djunkie]

Question is, do you have to stop? Those checkpoints that they put up to smog check on the on ramps or city roads. Seems like it would be the same as a dui checkpoint.

You get stuck at the one on Lomita Blvd. in harbor city? They waved me into it a couple years ago. Told them I was late picking up my kid and they let me go.

 

[primetime]

You get stuck at the one on Lomita Blvd. in harbor city? They waved me into it a couple years ago. Told them I was late picking up my kid and they let me go.

No I got stopped today on 190th going up towards prospect (redondo beach) in driving a 2016 f-450. When they saw my AZ plate they let me go without check.

 

[primetime]

They sure cause a traffic jam wherever they set up.

 

[NicPaus]

They were setup going up Hawthorne yesterday. I passed going down. Just had someone mention deleting my new work trucks as they avg 10.6 mpg.

 

[dribble]

I have seen these same kind of check points with the smog equipment set-up and a DOT CHP on site doing a vehicle inspection as well.

No you didn't. The officers at the emissions checkpoints are doing voluntary overtime under contract with BAR. There never have been multiple checkpoints and the law does not allow for random safety inspections on non-commercial vehicles.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

No you didn't.

Don't tell me what I have and have not seen. Used to be fairly common scene in and around Baldwin Park. Don't know if they still do it.

 

[dribble]

Don't tell me what I have and have not seen. Used to be fairly common scene in and around Baldwin Park. Don't know if they still do it.

There has never been a combined smog roadside/safety set up anywhere. The law allows for roadside smog inspections as a data gathering tool only. Nobody has ever been cited for missing smog equipment although a couple of DUI's have been snagged. The law that allowed random safety inspections in California was repealed in the late seventies. It's not allowed (except for commercial vehicles). What you saw and what you think it was are two different things.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Don't tell me what I have and have not seen. Used to be fairly common scene in and around Baldwin Park. Don't know if they still do it.

Those people probably had no front plate or window tint, and got pulled over on probable cause on another violation, then were asked to pop the hood.

I know guys this has happened to.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

There has never been a combined smog roadside/safety set up anywhere. The law allows for roadside smog inspections as a data gathering tool only. Nobody has ever been cited for missing smog equipment although a couple of DUI's have been snagged. The law that allowed random safety inspections in California was repealed in the late seventies. It's not allowed (except for commercial vehicles). What you saw and what you think it was are two different things.

First, you're really coming off like a dick. Second, then why was a CHP DOT truck and officer there as well?
Third, why do I have to carry a piece of paper in my truck stating the cats were replaced with new ones specific for my truck and I must provide this ticket upon any inspection or will be subject to citation?

 

[01erionracing]

I passed the smog check point before and the guy there explained this is a volunteer and nothing against me or my vehicle they just want to run the test but then again he look at my Tundra (2002) and said we are doing the year 2000 and older and looks like yours is newer than 2000 and I said yes mine is 2002 so he let me go.

 

[dribble]

First, you're really coming off like a dick. Second, then why was a CHP DOT truck and officer there as well?
Third, why do I have to carry a piece of paper in my truck stating the cats were replaced with new ones specific for my truck and I must provide this ticket upon any inspection or will be subject to citation?

(1) Sorry if I offended you

(2) There is always a CHP Officer there. The law (Health and Safety Code Section 44081[d]) requires the CHP to assist but only allows them to (a) stop vehicles) (b) manage traffic (c) (issue a notice of non-compliance to gross polluters) which is nothing more than a piece of paper that says your vehicle failed and why it failed. No ticket, no fine, no court. DOT is a Federal Agency. They don't inspect vehicles and have nothing to do with smog check anywhere. They make rules which are then adopted by states in their respective vehicle codes.

(3) You aren't required by any law to carry such piece of paper. It's good to have so when you get a real smog inspection you can show the technician that your aftermarket cat is approved for your vehicle. You are not subject to any citation for not carrying a that piece of paper. They cant just make arbitrary rules. There has to be a statute and / or regulation to cite. There isn't one.

 

[milkmoney]

Don't tell me what I have and have not seen. Used to be fairly common scene in and around Baldwin Park. Don't know if they still do it.

You are coming across like a dick [emoji12]

U guys keep battling out and posting the shit that keeps happening in Cali, exact reason along with a lot of other crap is why I turned down a really and I mean really $$$$ good job in this state last week

<------nor cal native [emoji202]

 

[dribble]

You are coming across like a dick [emoji12]

U guys keep battling out and posting the shit that keeps happening in Cali, exact reason along with a lot of other crap is why I turned down a really and I mean really $$$$ good job in this state last week

<------nor cal native [emoji202]

Actually I'm just posting shit that is not happening. :thumbsup

 

[AzGeo]

Really? A few years ago I heard of people getting tickets for herding cats.

NOW it's in compliance .............

 

[Flying_Lavey]

(1) Sorry if I offended you

(2) There is always a CHP Officer there. The law (Health and Safety Code Section 44081[d]) requires the CHP to assist but only allows them to (a) stop vehicles) (b) manage traffic (c) (issue a notice of non-compliance to gross polluters) which is nothing more than a piece of paper that says your vehicle failed and why it failed. No ticket, no fine, no court. DOT is a Federal Agency. They don't inspect vehicles and have nothing to do with smog check anywhere. They make rules which are then adopted by states in their respective vehicle codes.

(3) You aren't required by any law to carry such piece of paper. It's good to have so when you get a real smog inspection you can show the technician that your aftermarket cat is approved for your vehicle. You are not subject to any citation for not carrying a that piece of paper. They cant just make arbitrary rules. There has to be a statute and / or regulation to cite. There isn't one.

I'm a pretty intelligent guy and know more than average Joe Schmoe when it comes to laws and enforcement of them. Not an expert, but know more than the average guy.

So if what I saw ISN'T what I interpreted it as, don't just tell me "you didn't see that". How about a more normal, less flat biller arrogant douche, response like "I believe you misinterpreted what you saw. As you exactly described can't happen. Here's why......"

I'm gonna have to find that paper cause I could have swore it had a regulation number or something it referenced.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

You are coming across like a dick [emoji12]

U guys keep battling out and posting the shit that keeps happening in Cali, exact reason along with a lot of other crap is why I turned down a really and I mean really $$$$ good job in this state last week

<------nor cal native [emoji202]

They pay that well to shovel cow shit here? Damn. I'm in the wrong line of work. Lol!

NOW it's in compliance .............

Luckily. Or else we'd all be in trouble here. Lol!

 

[Danger Dave]

This thread delivers.

 

[dribble]

I'm a pretty intelligent guy and know more than average Joe Schmoe when it comes to laws and enforcement of them. Not an expert, but know more than the average guy.

So if what I saw ISN'T what I interpreted it as, don't just tell me "you didn't see that". How about a more normal, less flat biller arrogant douche, response like "I believe you misinterpreted what you saw. As you exactly described can't happen. Here's why......"

I'm gonna have to find that paper cause I could have swore it had a regulation number or something it referenced.

I'm not questioning your intelligence.

This is what I said. Not a whole lot different than what you suggested I should have said.

"What you saw and what you think it was are two different things."

You are probably referring to an Executive Order (EO number). That is a number issued to the device by C.A.R.B. stating that it is an approved aftermarket replacement converter for your application. You are not required to carry that but if a smog tech looks at your converter he needs to see that the EO number is stamped on it. If the number is damaged or missing, he can cross reference the converter part number to the EO number and pass your truck without sending you to the referee. Arrogant or not the fact remains that there is no law requiring you to carry that piece of paper. No CHP or other LE officer would know the difference anyway. They are not trained for that stuff.

They had a program (dubbed Fast and Furious) a few years ago to be trained to identify illegal mods on street racer cars but there was so much confusion that they abandoned the program. They weren't concerned about smog, they were looking at a way to clamp down on street racing. A buddy of mine did the training.

I know for a fact that there has never been a safety inspection combined with roadside smog inspections and I also know that the roadside inspections are nothing more than a data gathering tool.

 

[milkmoney]

They pay that well to shovel cow shit here? Damn. I'm in the wrong line of work. Lol!

Lol. I can get ya the number. Jus need your own gloves and boots [emoji230][emoji202]

 

[milkmoney]

Actually I'm just posting shit that is not happening. :thumbsup

Can not be true. Its the Internet. Everything is true [emoji12][emoji202]

 

[Flying_Lavey]

No you didn't. The officers at the emissions checkpoints are doing voluntary overtime under contract with BAR. There never have been multiple checkpoints and the law does not allow for random safety inspections on non-commercial vehicles.

I'm not questioning your intelligence.

This is what I said. Not a whole lot different than what you suggested I should have said.

"What you saw and what you think it was are two different things."

You are probably referring to an Executive Order (EO number). That is a number issued to the device by C.A.R.B. stating that it is an approved aftermarket replacement converter for your application. You are not required to carry that but if a smog tech looks at your converter he needs to see that the EO number is stamped on it. If the number is damaged or missing, he can cross reference the converter part number to the EO number and pass your truck without sending you to the referee. Arrogant or not the fact remains that there is no law requiring you to carry that piece of paper. No CHP or other LE officer would know the difference anyway. They are not trained for that stuff.

They had a program (dubbed Fast and Furious) a few years ago to be trained to identify illegal mods on street racer cars but there was so much confusion that they abandoned the program. They weren't concerned about smog, they were looking at a way to clamp down on street racing. A buddy of mine did the training.

I know for a fact that there has never been a safety inspection combined with roadside smog inspections and I also know that the roadside inspections are nothing more than a data gathering tool.

You edited your post. Originally, as I had quoted it, you just said "No you didnt." Had you originally wrote what you edited your post to say, this conversation would have been much more me trying to learn and less arguing about what I saw.

I'm gonna find that paper. Mostly just out of curiosity since I haven't read it in a few years now.

 

[Chopperman]

I went through one of these smog checks last year. I asked the guy if it counts against me if I fail and he told me no, it's just for data collection. It actually worked in my favor. I wasn't sure if my truck would pass my upcoming smog check to renew the registration. The roadside check gave me a look at where my truck was at, smog-wise. And the dude gave me some helpful tips to get an old motor to pass Ca. smog checks.