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DrunkenSailor

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So every night the news channels harp on how destructive Trump's tariffs are to our economy. The majority of news stories are this company will no longer be importing x or this company will be raising prices on y. There have been multiple threads about inmates trying to figure out how to get supplies they need for their own businesses.

What's not being reported is what's going on in China. Today the people Bank of China (their version of the fed) injected 600bn yuan, roughly 82 billion into their banking system to ensure liquidity.

Earlier this week the pboc also announced that they would be issuing special bonds to raise additional capital totaling 286bn yuan. These special bonds are not included in chinas fiscal sovereign debt figure which is already at a record high 4%. The pboc plans to sell at least 500bn yuan of these bonds by June 4th.

The pboc is also revamping its method for pricing government issued bonds to allow banks to bid for loans from the pboc at different prices. The pboc has stopped releasing the cost of it's one year loans. It will be interesting to see if they release the 3 month and 6 month pricing or if they will keep cash injections through the bid process secret.

This month 1.7tn yuan of outright reverse purchase agreements came due which is the largest maturity event since the bank launched the short term liquidity instrument in October. Banks are petitioning the pboc for a reduction in reserve requirements as financial pressures mount.

Make no mistake, the tariffs are disrupting our economy, but it is having the desired effect overseas.
 

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What’s going on in china is they are not talking to trump so cool story
 

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Trump sounds like he’s softening his stance on the China tariffs.

China will not be bullied by Trump. They are to proud to bend. They are also pretty good negotiators.

Tariffs sound good till they affect you personally. It won’t be long till we all are feeling the effects one way or another.
 

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We’ve heard a lot about all the ways China has been applying pressure on the U.S., but it seems they need certain products from us as well. One notable item is ethane, which is used in the production of plastics. It turns out the U.S. is the only supplier worldwide.


So much of it that we allow protesters to march on our streets with foreign flags

Free speech. Who cares what they say or do, as long as they cause no harm?
 

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So much of it that we allow protesters to march on our streets with foreign flags
It’s my understanding that would get you arrested in China?
We have that pesky 1st amendment…the basis of our entire existence as a republic.

I’ve read here that the Tarrifs are causing a problem for your business…I get that.
I’ve also read that you are currently sourcing a pallet from Canada?
Kudos on that if it’s a solution in part, for your parts.
 

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For those that it affects their business I hope it's over soon!!!
 

lbhsbz

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It’s my understanding that would get you arrested in China?
We have that pesky 1st amendment…the basis of our entire existence as a republic.

I’ve read here that the Tarrifs are causing a problem for your business…I get that.
I’ve also read that you are currently sourcing a pallet from Canada?
Kudos on that if it’s a solution in part, for your parts.

The law and national pride are 2 different things. We like to think we have it....but we really don't, to the levels that exist elsewhere. Don't kid yourself....that's why we're here now.

I source lots of parts from Canada....and have been for years. I was pretty excited when they sent me about a 20% price reduction last year because I quadrupled my volume from the previous year....Now I'm sad again because that discount was just went away and it's looking like after paying for a bond, import entry fee, POA fee, and a few other fees, on top of the tariff, .... A $3600 order is gonna turn into a $5500+ order. Awesome.

The $300 order out of China was cancelled by the supplier, Even after I asked to air freight it at a cost of around $1150 they cancelled that too because they've shut the factory down for the time being. I made a few calls to try and tool some of these here...the mold for the 1 part on this order is $15,000 and I need to buy 50K pieces minimum.

Edit:...just got off the phone with a retired mold maker....who still does some stuff outta his home shop. $15K per mold, $35K for a decent used injection mold press.....I've got 400 part numbers on the shelf that I get out of china currently....That comes out to somewhere in the neighborhood of $6M just too tool up. Nope. Not possible.


Maybe I'll build a hot dog cart when I run outta parts to sell....then at least the government will leave me alone as a street vendor.
 
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was thatguy

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The law and national pride are 2 different things. We like to think we have it....but we really don't, to the levels that exist elsewhere. Don't kid yourself....that's why we're here now.

I source lots of parts from Canada....and have been for years. I was pretty excited when they sent me about a 20% price reduction last year because I quadrupled my volume from the previous year....Now I'm sad again because that discount was just went away and it's looking like after paying for a bond, import entry fee, POA fee, and a few other fees, on top of the tariff, .... A $3600 order is gonna turn into a $5500+ order. Awesome.

The $300 order out of China was cancelled by the supplier, Even after I asked to air freight it at a cost of around $1150 they cancelled that too because they've shut the factory down for the time being. I made a few calls to try and tool some of these here...the mold for the 1 part on this order is $15,000 and I need to buy 50K pieces minimum.

Maybe I'll build a hot dog cart when I run outta parts to sell....at then the government will leave me alone as a street vendor.
Yeah I’ve been to a fair amount of other countries…in a fair amount of different capacities.
All I can say is that I wholeheartedly disagree about national pride.
Maybe it’s our different environments, or the company we keep, or the businesses we are in?

I do agree with your food cart idea, especially in CA. 👍
 

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Yeah I’ve been to a fair amount of other countries…in a fair amount of different capacities.
All I can say is that I wholeheartedly disagree about national pride.
Maybe it’s our different environments, or the company we keep, or the businesses we are in?

I do agree with your food cart idea, especially in CA. 👍
bacon wrapped 👍
 
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