On the Mexico and Canada Tariffs

[Canuck 1]

Well, they were talking all kinds of tough yesterday. We'll see how it plays out.

Eastern assholes were spewing shit. Trump owned them without doing a thing

 

[monkeyswrench]

I second this. Canada would be crying uncle within 24 hours.

Honestly, I think it could make things worse for us from a security standpoint. That whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing. China has a massive grip there already. The Chicoms will gladly lend a hand, to put a boot on our neck. I think that is why there has been so much cash floating around from USAID places. Not just to start wars or make people rich, but to grease palms of Fairweather friends.

 

[PlanB]

You would be walking to work in 3 days

Canada is a pimple on our ass.

 

[530RL]

Honestly, I think it could make things worse for us from a security standpoint. That whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing. China has a massive grip there already. The Chicoms will gladly lend a hand, to put a boot on our neck. I think that is why there has been so much cash floating around from USAID places. Not just to start wars or make people rich, but to grease palms of Fairweather friends.

What would you do if you were a former US economic ally? Not a hard choice.

 

[4Waters]

What would you do if you were a former US economic ally? Not a hard choice.

Quit charging tariffs on US products and continue living like you have been or become a communist state of china really tough decision

 

[530RL]

Quit charging tariffs on US products and continue living like you have been or become a communist state of china really tough decision

The US just put a ten percent tariff on all countries and their products, even countries that have no tariffs on products from the US.

They weren’t charging tariffs. If it was simply reciprocal I get the argument. But these go beyond reciprocal.

They don’t call them tariff wars for hyperbole.

 

[4Waters]

The US just put a ten percent tariff on all countries and their products, even countries that have no tariffs on products from the US.

They weren’t charging tariffs. If it was simply reciprocal I get the argument. But these go beyond reciprocal.

They don’t call them tariff wars for hyperbole.

Did you say something?

 

[Canuck 1]

Canada is a pimple on our ass.

Now just how quickly can you replace 4 million barrels per day? The best part is this would also cut off eastern canada as the US refines and supplies them. Not many have thought this through, including Trump

 

[530RL]

Did you say something?

Yes,

I was agreeing with Monkeyswrench’s point that this might empower China and drive our former economic allies towards China to the detriment of the United States.

 

[PlanB]

Now just how quickly can you replace 4 million barrels per day? The best part is this would also cut off eastern canada as the US refines and supplies them. Not many have thought this through, including Trump

We have 568 million barrels currently in the strategic reserve (according to a quick search). If you think Canada can go toe to toe with the US, you are delusional.

 

[Canuck 1]

We have 568 million barrels currently in the strategic reserve (according to a quick search). If you think Canada can go toe to toe with the US, you are delusional.

And if you think there wouldn't be pain on both sides you are delusional, this whole deal is fuckin retarded. Like I said, close the border tight and all the lies will appear quickly.

BTW your numbers are off by 172 million barrels

 

[monkeyswrench]

What would you do if you were a former US economic ally? Not a hard choice.

"Ally" is a loose term. Globally speaking, the US has been acting like the rich kid, buying candy for "friends". Many countries let us do things because we help them financially. This is where things get blurry. Many of these countries that have tariffs on US goods, are doing it as a somewhat legitimate source of government income that is probably a bit more like pay to play. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it just seems pretty odd.

I've been reading about, and talking with some friends in the auto industry about the Canada tariffs. There are some aspects of both GM and Fords motor manufacturing that bounce across the border multiple times. Some due to labor costs, some due to energy and environmental reasons. They still don't know where things will stand.

I have also been in touch quite a bit with a customer (business owner) in Edmonton. His view was of interest to me, being a lifelong canuck. He is wondering what will happen, as Canada has a massive oil output, but no refining abilities.

I'm in an odd situation due to my current sources of income. I basically look at broken used cars, and verify what repairs they need, or fix broken stuff. Both of these "industries" will actually improve as things become either more expensive, or harder to get. I've learned planning for the future is difficult, as I am no prophet. Adapting to change is how you evolve, or at least survive.

 

[4Waters]

Yes,

I was agreeing with Monkeyswrench’s point that this might empower China and drive our former economic allies towards China to the detriment of the United States.

That's for sure gonna happen? Your republican (since you say you are a Reagan republican) party's way of doing things hasn't worked and your democratic (since you are actually a democrat) party's way of doing things hasn't worked either. Let's maybe stop throwing that same pile of shit against the wall hoping it will stick this time.

 

[Activated]

And if you think there wouldn't be pain on both sides you are delusional, this whole deal is fuckin retarded. Like I said, close the border tight and all the lies will appear quickly.

BTW your numbers are off by 172 million barrels

It is pretty simple, cancel your US tariffs and secure yore border. Is that really hard to understand?

 

[t&y]

Eastern assholes were spewing shit. Trump owned them without doing a thing,

Oh, so we have a east vs west coast kind of battle going on here. So what product does the West side of Canada provide that all us down here in the U.S.A. can't get from somewhere else?

Now just how quickly can you replace 4 million barrels per day? The best part is this would also cut off eastern canada as the US refines and supplies them. Not many have thought this through, including Trump

To the contrary. It has always sounded to me like the moves Trump is making are in an effort to not have to purchase your oil. Maybe you haven't thought this through as the west side might still have the oil, but if we aren't buying "4 million" barrels a day from you, how does that play out for not only the east side, but those on the west side selling it?

It really sounds to me like Canada relies on the U.S. to refine a large portion of their oil regardless of coast. Am I wrong here?

 

[JDKRXW]

It is pretty simple, cancel your US tariffs and secure yore border. Is that really hard to understand?

Actually, we've been instruced that the problem is the trade imbalance (we sell you too much vs what we purchase) .......... and shouldn't you be securing your own border (there's huge # of restrictied firearms smuggled into Canada from the US every year and nobody's telling the US to 'secure your border')?

Just saying -- that's how stupid this is.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

The WIP and the raw is also subject to tariffs. Absent full US vertical integration from mining to semiconductor manufacturing tariffs apply.

Thats why the US auto manufacturers are going to have to raise prices. Only 20 percent of the content is US. So even if assembled here the taxes are very high.

It would take a trillion dollars of investment according to analysts for the big 3 to become truly American made. The entire auto industry throughout the world hasn’t generated a trillion dollars of profit since the invention of the wheel.

WIP and Raw material have a lower value and the tariff would be less than finished goods. Inter-company transfers would also provide some relief. No doubt that corporations will add the tariff to the full amount and increase margins, price negotiation will be required.

Industry will figure out a path forward. It might be as easy as just paying the tariff in many cases. Even if less money changes hands, if the money that does circulate stays in the US it is a win IMHO.

Rich people must be loosing their minds this morning with the stock alerts, my phone won't stop buzzing. However I have a trade show going right now and we are busy and negotiating orders. We'll see what happens today. Things could spin on a dime, but yesterday was a party.


I absolutely agree prices will go up for people who are addicted to consumption. Lots of pain is coming.

I am getting exactly what I wanted from Trump, burn the whole place down.

The US just put a ten percent tariff on all countries and their products, even countries that have no tariffs on products from the US.

They weren’t charging tariffs. If it was simply reciprocal I get the argument. But these go beyond reciprocal.

They don’t call them tariff wars for hyperbole.

Yahoo Finance had a good graph last night that listed the tariff percentage by 185 countries. I don't recall seeing a single case where the US had a higher tariff than any country listed, equal at best.

I'm totally blown away that every other country is freaking out that we are doing the same thing they do to us. I had no idea the amount of Tariffs in our way. There are few key trading partners we do business with that have not added additional tariffs in response. Seems reasonable.

@monkeyswrench I think you are on to something with the Pay to Play comments.

 

[t&y]

Actually, we've been instruced that the problem is the trade imbalance (we sell you too much vs what we purchase) .......... and shouldn't you be securing your own border (there's huge # of restrictied firearms smuggled into Canada from the US every year and nobody's telling the US to 'secure your border')?

Just saying -- that's how stupid this is.

Lol... Restricted firearms. Do you guys have an issue with mass shootings occurring from all those restricted firearms? Or is this another left leaning talking point with no real issue to back it up. Can Canadians even own semi auto rifles at this point? Funny, now do illegal drugs and people flooding the U.S. from Canada.

We probably agree on this point however; Close the border. Use whatever means necessary to stop people from illegally crossing. Utilize better scanning tech to inspect cargo and vehicles for hidden compartments of all kinds.

 

[JDKRXW]

Lol... Restricted firearms. Do you guys have an issue with mass shootings occurring from all those restricted firearms? Or is this another left leaning talking point with no real issue to back it up. Can Canadians even own semi auto rifles at this point? Funny, now do illegal drugs and people flooding the U.S. from Canada.

We probably agree on this point however; Close the border. Use whatever means necessary to stop people from illegally crossing. Utilize better scanning tech to inspect cargo and vehicles for hidden compartments of all kinds.

Deflect much?
Canada has a law - laugh all you want about it, and I don't agree with it, but no one here is blaming the US for these restricted guns crossing the border. The blame is 100% going on Canadian Border Services for not doing THEIR job. No one is telling US CBP to stop this flow.

Shouldn't this be reciprocated? ... meaning the US needs to secure IT'S border?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Deflect much?
Canada has a law - laugh all you want about it, and I don't agree with it, but no one here is blaming the US for these restricted guns crossing the border. The blame is 100% going on Canadian Border Services for not doing THEIR job. No one is telling US CBP to stop this flow.

Shouldn't this be reciprocated? ... meaning the US needs to secure IT'S border?

Weren't many of the firearms purchased legally, and then made illegal later? I wonder how many have been smuggled since then, and if it's related to drug trade or a separate issue. I don't know much about the Canadian underworld. All the ones I know are really nice, Dudley DooRight types. I've heard I have to watch out for the French Canadians though

 

[Uncle Dave]

I'm not sure what the sandwich board actually is but Im pretty certain that it doesn't represent what a mostly reciprocal tariff is.

It "appears" it's some combination of a number of things, including the trade balance between the countries mentioned. There needs to be more work to determine what exactly is being done, but the administration isn't being transparent.

At 34K feet this amounts to what looks like the largest tax increase in the history of our country.

There will be huge money entering the governments coffers coming from US citizens paying these tariffs.

The government will prosper for sure, how does this make its way back to us though?
What is the plan to use this money for?

Hopefully it's to pay for restoring business and bringing manufacturing back to the US but we haven't seen this happen in any meaningful way.

It could be used to lower our debt, but the last budget asked for more debt so it isnt as of yet being used this way.

Interesting times for sure.

 

[Sandlord]

The US just put a ten percent tariff on all countries and their products, even countries that have no tariffs on products from the US.

They weren’t charging tariffs. If it was simply reciprocal I get the argument. But these go beyond reciprocal.

They don’t call them tariff wars for hyperbole.

Which countries had no Tariffs on US products?
I didn’t see any on the charts

Trump’s tariffs: the full list

US president Donald Trump yesterday produced a chart of all the new tariffs he was announcing, affecting trade with countries across the world. Here is the list as he displayed it

www.theguardian.com

 

[530RL]

Which countries had no Tariffs on US products?
I didn’t see any on the charts

Lots,

For example, neither Canada nor Mexico have tariffs for products made in the United States that meet USMCA rules of origin requirements. Yet America does tariff products made in Canada and Mexico that meet the USMCA rule of origin requirements.

 

[Uncle Dave]

The lexicon that is being used in these discussions isnt exactly accurate.

For example: When our government says we are levying a tariff on "Japan".
We are doing nothing of the sort.

The tariff is being levied against whoever imports the product not "Japan".
Neither the government nor the people of Japan pay a cent, or yen in this case.

For example If I have a retail store that sells zojirushi rice cookers and I order them from Japan and the price is a 100 to me, there is an additional tariff I must pay to the government
My landed cost on the item becomes 100 + the tariff.

My store then gets its tariff money back when I sell the product to the end user at a price than now includes the tariff I paid plus the cost of tracking handling borrowing.

By structuring the words in such a way that makes it sounds like these countries are somehow being sent the bill, the entire concept becomes much easier to sell than calling it what it is.

A tax on imported goods.

The bill for this is going to YOU.

 

[Sandlord]

The lexicon that is being used in these discussions isnt exactly accurate.

For example: When our government says we are levying a tariff on "Japan".
We are doing nothing of the sort.

The tariff is being levied against whoever imports the product not "Japan".
Neither the government nor the people of Japan pay a cent, or yen in this case.

For example If I have a retail store that sells zojirushi rice cookers and I order them from Japan and the price is a 100 to me, there is an additional tariff I must pay to the government
My landed cost on the item becomes 100 + the tariff.

My store then gets its tariff money back when I sell the product to the end user at a price than now includes the tariff I paid plus the cost of tracking handling borrowing.

By structuring the words in such a way that makes it sounds like these countries are somehow being sent the bill, the entire concept becomes much easier to sell than calling it what it is.

A tax on imported goods.

The bill for this is going to YOU.

Buy American

 

[JDKRXW]

Weren't many of the firearms purchased legally, and then made illegal later? I wonder how many have been smuggled since then, and if it's related to drug trade or a separate issue. I don't know much about the Canadian underworld. All the ones I know are really nice, Dudley DooRight types. I've heard I have to watch out for the French Canadians though

Two completely separate issues here.
Legally owning handguns is heavily restricted here. You can own them, but the purchase process and the specific licence (called an RPAL) is a real pain to get.
Longuns and shotguns are far less restricted and a licence (called a PAL) is required. It's not hard to get. There are f.a.r. more 'legal' guns and gun owners in Canada than most people realize. And; crime invloving 'legal' guns is infinitesimal compared to what are considered 'illegal' guns.
Of the crimes with firearms - the vast majority are committed with handguns that have been smuggled into the country. And; nobody is blaming these guns country of origin for our problems.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Buy American

We dont make much of anything anymore.

 

[JDKRXW]

We dont make much of anything anymore.

Actually, you do.
It's the really, really expensive stuff that nobody talks much about.
That military industrial complex literally prints profit. Then there's stuff like tech, software (Apple, MS, Oracle, FB) and companies like Boeing. Some of these companies have revenue larger than many countries.

 

[sprintcvx]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907585936256352590

 

[Sportin' Wood]

The lexicon that is being used in these discussions isnt exactly accurate.

For example: When our government says we are levying a tariff on "Japan".
We are doing nothing of the sort.

The tariff is being levied against whoever imports the product not "Japan".
Neither the government nor the people of Japan pay a cent, or yen in this case.

For example If I have a retail store that sells zojirushi rice cookers and I order them from Japan and the price is a 100 to me, there is an additional tariff I must pay to the government
My landed cost on the item becomes 100 + the tariff.

My store then gets its tariff money back when I sell the product to the end user at a price than now includes the tariff I paid plus the cost of tracking handling borrowing.

By structuring the words in such a way that makes it sounds like these countries are somehow being sent the bill, the entire concept becomes much easier to sell than calling it what it is.

A tax on imported goods.

The bill for this is going to YOU.

We all seem to be overly generalizing, that's ok, but I don't think managing tariffs is going to be this straight forward.

If I'm importing cookers from Japan for $100 and there is a 20% tariff, the new costs would hypothetically be $120.00.

Let's pretend my retail price on the cooker is $300. I was previously making a gross margin of $200 less my SG&A costs, Lets say those are $50 per item to keep this simple. I make $150 on the cooker.

I have choices.

• Negotiate my purchase price with my Japanese supplier.
• Seek a new supplier
• Raise my prices 20% to $360 and increase my margin but blame it on Trump.
• Lower my SG&A
• Make less margin
• Close my doors
• Sell something else
• Invent a new way to cook rice.

I suspect some combination of the above.
If no one is buying rice cookers because they don't value them at $360 I will be forced to adjust my price to align with the value, and lets not forget that the one guy down the street is selling China Rice cookers and while his tariff is higher, his costs are less for his shitty rice cooker. Yet another guy has been selling American rice cookers for $350 the whole time.

No American rice cookers? The guy that used to make hub caps for the auto industry realizes that industry is fucked and shifts production to turning hub caps into Rice cookers.


We all seem to be really good at predictive analytics all of a sudden.

 

[JDKRXW]

The lexicon that is being used in these discussions isnt exactly accurate.

For example: When our government says we are levying a tariff on "Japan".
We are doing nothing of the sort.

The tariff is being levied against whoever imports the product not "Japan".
Neither the government nor the people of Japan pay a cent, or yen in this case.

For example If I have a retail store that sells zojirushi rice cookers and I order them from Japan and the price is a 100 to me, there is an additional tariff I must pay to the government
My landed cost on the item becomes 100 + the tariff.

My store then gets its tariff money back when I sell the product to the end user at a price than now includes the tariff I paid plus the cost of tracking handling borrowing.

By structuring the words in such a way that makes it sounds like these countries are somehow being sent the bill, the entire concept becomes much easier to sell than calling it what it is.

A tax on imported goods.

The bill for this is going to YOU.

Great example; and IMO, the vast majority either don't understand this at all or even if they do, don't understand how much this is going to cost Joe Average.
And does anybody believe the government when they say 'this increased consumption tax will be offset by the income tax we're planning to give you'

 

[Uncle Dave]

Actually, you do.
It's the really, really expensive stuff that nobody talks much about.
That military industrial complex literally prints profit. Then there's stuff like tech, software (Apple, MS, Oracle, FB) and companies like Boeing. Some of these companies have revenue larger than many countries.

I should have been more specific - in terms of household or business consumer items.

Eisenhower warned us about the MIC. We didnt listen.

 

[FROGMAN524]

This is better than any Speed thread!

 

[Sportin' Wood]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907585936256352590

100%

 

[lbhsbz]

We dont make much of anything anymore.

I keep hearing this, but if I drive through Gardena, Compton, Carson, and even Long Beach....there are plenty of areas with nothing but factories making stuff. There are plenty of business owners on here that make stuff. I bought some 5 gallon buckets at Harbor Freight the other day for my little plating operation and was surprised to see that they are made in the USA. There's an injection molding plant that I passed every day for 17 years coming home from work. I have a customer who has lots of parts cast here in the states and finish machined here in the states.

One of the plating shops I deal with plates truckloads of nails every day, and also plates chrome stacks for big rigs, headers from a few big names, and all kinds of other shit....this is all being made here, everything from cheap (nails and 5 gallon buckets) to castings (google Waupaca foundry) to hi tech stuff. We do a lot of manufacturing.

 

[Uncle Dave]

• Negotiate my purchase price with my Japanese supplier.
• Seek a new supplier
• Raise my prices 20% to $360 and increase my margin but blame it on Trump.
• Lower my SG&A
• Make less margin
• Close my doors
• Sell something else
• Invent a new way to cook rice.

I'm already in continuous negotiation with my suppliers. The fact that my government is making a change is my problem. They want to know if my volume is going up or down and they price to me accordingly.

Suppliers arent always fungible - there is only one Zojirushi. You cant get real french wine from Napa valley.

The price increase is the go to option. Line itemizing your invoice with a tariff line item does the talking. You cannot raise your MSRP above the manufacturers and sell with credibility.

Many people will lower SG&A and give their employees a haircut. I wont.

I may or may not even have as much profit as the tariff is, I could choose to eat some off it but none of my bills are going down (not one) so Im not lowering my prices either.

Lots of low margin businesses will close

I could stop selling items from X country. " Department stores" used to pick up and drop stuff all the time. My local Makita store cant really drop Makita.

Always open to a new way of doing so, but then Id have to build a business around it from scratch.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I keep hearing this, but if I drive through Gardena, Compton, Carson, and even Long Beach....there are plenty of areas with nothing but factories making stuff. There are plenty of business owners on here that make stuff. I bought some 5 gallon buckets at Harbor Freight the other day for my little plating operation and was surprised to see that they are made in the USA. There's an injection molding plant that I passed every day for 17 years coming home from work. I have a customer who has lots of parts cast here in the states and finish machined here in the states.

One of the plating shops I deal with plates truckloads of nails every day, and also plates chrome stacks for big rigs, headers from a few big names, and all kinds of other shit....this is all being made here, everything from cheap (nails and 5 gallon buckets) to castings (google Waupaca foundry) to hi tech stuff. We do a lot of manufacturing.

What we all seem to ignore is that big corporations took those types of activities off shore and are making insane margin, but if not for greed, we can still make a fair profit and produce these goods at home.

Great example.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I keep hearing this, but if I drive through Gardena, Compton, Carson, and even Long Beach....there are plenty of areas with nothing but factories making stuff. There are plenty of business owners on here that make stuff. I bought some 5 gallon buckets at Harbor Freight the other day for my little plating operation and was surprised to see that they are made in the USA. There's an injection molding plant that I passed every day for 17 years coming home from work. I have a customer who has lots of parts cast here in the states and finish machined here in the states.

One of the plating shops I deal with plates truckloads of nails every day, and also plates chrome stacks for big rigs, headers from a few big names, and all kinds of other shit....this is all being made here, everything from cheap (nails and 5 gallon buckets) to castings (google Waupaca foundry) to hi tech stuff. We do a lot of manufacturing.

A few things are made here.

I always buy American when I can.

Try buying an American made TV set, computer, cell phone, tools, clothing that inst a t shirt.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I'm already in continuous negotiation with my suppliers. The fact that my government is making a change is my problem. They want to know if my volume is going up or down and they price to me accordingly.

Suppliers arent always fungible - there is only one Zojirushi. You cant get real french wine from Napa valley.

The price increase is the go to option. Line itemizing your invoice with a tariff line item does the talking. You cannot raise your MSRP above the manufacturers and sell with credibility.

Many people will lower SG&A and give their employees a haircut. I wont.

I may or may not even have as much profit as the tariff is, I could choose to eat some off it but none of my bills are going down (not one) so Im not lowering my prices either.

Lots of low margin businesses will close

I could stop selling items from X country. " Department stores" used to pick up and drop stuff all the time. My local Makita store cant really drop Makita.

Always open to a new way of doing so, but then Id have to build a business around it from scratch.

There is a glut of French wine, they are considering turning it into sanitizer.

 

[Uncle Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907585936256352590

The wall street guys arent taking a haircut they make money when stock goes up or down.

It's YOU thats taking a beating in your 401K.

It hasn't been explained to me how the money being collected is going to make its way back to the working man.

Maybe there is some plan, but it hast been explained. So far all Ive seen is the tax side.

 

[Uncle Dave]

There is a glut of French wine, they are considering turning it into sanitizer.

The point was that some regional products are non swappable.

Real Parmesan cheese comes from Parma.

The stuff in the bottle from Kraft may say it's that, but its not.

 

[530RL]

This is better than any Speed thread!

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I still believe that most RDP members are completely out of touch with the rest of America. There are very few working class people participating in the forum.

If this was the late 1700s in France, some of us would have a date with a sharp object falling from above onto the back the neck.

After all this debate nothing has changed, no one here influenced an outcome, we have to wait to see who was on the right side of history.

Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose.

 

[was thatguy]

I don’t eat rice.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I don’t eat rice.

Let's switch it up for you then.

I need 10 more Mac laptops for engineering.

How do I buy or make sure they are American?

 

[HNL2LHC]

I keep hearing this, but if I drive through Gardena, Compton, Carson, and even Long Beach....there are plenty of areas with nothing but factories making stuff. There are plenty of business owners on here that make stuff. I bought some 5 gallon buckets at Harbor Freight the other day for my little plating operation and was surprised to see that they are made in the USA. There's an injection molding plant that I passed every day for 17 years coming home from work. I have a customer who has lots of parts cast here in the states and finish machined here in the states.

One of the plating shops I deal with plates truckloads of nails every day, and also plates chrome stacks for big rigs, headers from a few big names, and all kinds of other shit....this is all being made here, everything from cheap (nails and 5 gallon buckets) to castings (google Waupaca foundry) to hi tech stuff. We do a lot of manufacturing.

Now do the isles of Walmart. I hear you but there is much more. Not that we have to do it all in the US we just need to do more.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Now do the isles of Walmart. I hear you but there is much more. Not that we have to do it all in the US we just need to do more.

My Walmart has half the parking lot filled with shipping containers.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Two completely separate issues here.
Legally owning handguns is heavily restricted here. You can own them, but the purchase process and the specific licence (called an RPAL) is a real pain to get.
Longuns and shotguns are far less restricted and a licence (called a PAL) is required. It's not hard to get. There are f.a.r. more 'legal' guns and gun owners in Canada than most people realize. And; crime invloving 'legal' guns is infinitesimal compared to what are considered 'illegal' guns.
Of the crimes with firearms - the vast majority are committed with handguns that have been smuggled into the country. And; nobody is blaming these guns country of origin for our problems.

The families of victims in Canada did file suit against an American firearms company though...Don't know if it's better or worse than blaming the country. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50751903

I didn't know if Canadian laws were more strict against handguns only, or if "assault" rifles were an issue there. Stateside they have surely been targeting the AR platform, but statistically speaking, far more crimes are committed with handguns.

I carry a slingshot and a Leatherman...don't want to offend anyone.

 

[HNL2LHC]

I don’t eat rice.

YoRe missing out Tommy.

 

[t&y]

Deflect much?
Canada has a law - laugh all you want about it, and I don't agree with it, but no one here is blaming the US for these restricted guns crossing the border. The blame is 100% going on Canadian Border Services for not doing THEIR job. No one is telling US CBP to stop this flow.

Shouldn't this be reciprocated? ... meaning the US needs to secure IT'S border?

Not deflecting at all. I was curious is there was a reason for the ban, or if it's just because some people are too stupid to understand the human issue we have versus the color or attachments on a rifle.

And I agree Infinity % that each country should secure their own border and weigh down severe punishment for those who try to cross it illegally. If you have been paying attention, this country has been talking forever about how fix that issue with nothing but roadblocks from our politicians. Do you believe a country should ignore their neighbors, if their neighbors are not doing anything to prevent the flow of illegal goods out of their country? I believe our border security should not only be focusing on things and people coming in, but also what is getting out.

I VOTED FOR THE GUY who is actually taking steps to secure it. I can't control if our politicians continue to use legislation as a talking point.

So I'll ask again, are all semi-auto rifles banned in Canada, is there a real problem with mass shooting where banned weapons were used, or is it just a political talking point like it is here in the states?