On the Mexico and Canada Tariffs

[Sportin' Wood]

I used to have to buy my auto parts at Pick a Part, I can do it again, including brake pads if I have to do it. I'm restoring a Jeep CJ 7 right now, I'm shocked how cheap stuff is if you shop. Yes, some shit comes from China, but it comes from all over the damn place, including people parting out shit on Marketplace.

I choose to drive old junk as a strategy.

If the prices go up, I'll shop harder. I enjoy the hunt. Driving new cars proved to be an issue in Rural Montana, no one to work on them when a sensor makes it go into limp mode. Plus Texans and Californians drive the fancy cars here.

If I have to buy a whole car for parts, I will.

 

[lbhsbz]

Afford a new car? How much of the population can afford a new car right now?

 

[lbhsbz]

First off just walk through Walmart and look how cheap some of the shit is. Toasters for 20.00 curling irons 10.00 and on and on. Just raw materials nowdays probably cost more than that. Then packaging and shipping on top of it not to mention profit for a few different people and you really have to wonder how much was subsidised from mother China. Basically making shit no matter what it costs and selling it below cost to screw the American producer of same such product. And even worse is the Dollar general and 99 cent store. It just makes no sense how they can produce, package and ship and still net a profit.

Here's the thing with China vs the US.

If a factory needs a certain size stock in China, they call the mill and get that size stock. If a factory in the US needs that same size stock, they get the next bigger size from the mill and scrap half of it. Also, scale. If you buy a mill run of raw material, prices are significantly better than doing a short run. It's simply a different world....you can't really compare the 2

 

[monkeyswrench]

Here's the thing with China vs the US.

If a factory needs a certain size stock in China, they call the mill and get that size stock. If a factory in the US needs that same size stock, they get the next bigger size from the mill and scrap half of it. Also, scale. If you buy a mill run of raw material, prices are significantly better than doing a short run. It's simply a different world....you can't really compare the 2

A large part of that has been due to regulations from EPA, cost of energy and various other things driving mills and foundries out. I don't know how things work in China, but I know EPA isn't an issue.

 

[lbhsbz]

A large part of that has been due to regulations from EPA, cost of energy and various other things driving mills and foundries out. I don't know how things work in China, but I know EPA isn't an issue.

Actually, environmental is a huge issue in China...one of the reasons that oil-sand casting is mostly gone in most foundries in favor of resin sand castings....and electric furnaces vs coal/gas. A good friend of mine (who lives here in Whittier) used to own one of our rotor plants in China, and still does lots of business there and in Taiwan....he is Taiwanese. I've known him for 20+ years and we speak/visit weekly. China is not as the internet has led up to believe it is...

He sent me this last week from Ningbo when he called and I heard birds singing in the background….note the last entry..



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[monkeyswrench]

Actually, environmental is a huge issue in China. A good friend of mine (who lives here in Whittier) used to own one of our rotor plants in China, and still does lots of business there and in Taiwan....he is Taiwanese. I've known him for 20+ years and we speak/visit weekly. China is not as the internet has led up to believe it is...

He sent me this last week from Ningbo when he called and I heard birds singing in the background….note the last entry..



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That's the thing, my only views of China are what we see here. I worked with a company with plants there, but my only interactions were with the son here (looked like the bad guy Asian from Fast & Furious ) and his father. The father stayed usually in China, but was the image of a Chinese businessman. Nice suits and very "proper". I didn't know if they were the norm or oddities. They spoke highly of their home, but they were pretty well off.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Actually, environmental is a huge issue in China...one of the reasons that oil-sand casting is mostly gone in most foundries in favor of resin sand castings....and electric furnaces vs coal/gas. A good friend of mine (who lives here in Whittier) used to own one of our rotor plants in China, and still does lots of business there and in Taiwan....he is Taiwanese. I've known him for 20+ years and we speak/visit weekly. China is not as the internet has led up to believe it is...

He sent me this last week from Ningbo when he called and I heard birds singing in the background….note the last entry..



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You sound like you long for the life the Chinese national lives. How many Americans have you seen trying to sneak into China?

My business imported much of our commodity type stuff. Hydraulic steel adapter fittings were one. One of the plants we used, was visited by our import agent. He reported working conditions that made me cringe. Coal fired forges, Chinese sitting atop piles of coal with picks, rendering the coal down to usable sizes. No safety classes. No OSHA, nothing but a job another is waiting to fill.

@was thatguy and I have both said, we hope Trump knows what he’s doing. Regardless, status quo will end this Republic in the near future.

You seem angry that this is affecting your ability to provide brakes and it cost you money. America is more important to me than some short term pain, that I personally believe will be short lived. I’m willing to wait and see.

American industry is guilty here, they looked for cheaper supplies and sacrificed quality. But in time,our factories in China have trained them to make quality stuff for a fraction of the cost. My business was a large distributor of Gates Hydraulic hose and couplings. They have plants in China, sending us Chinese product, for the same price, they kept the margin. Others say we demanded cheaper product. Bullshit, they (industry) demanded higher margins. We never saw lower cost.

What happened over time, our American plants, taught them how to make good (equal) products that they offer at 30-40% of the cost. It’s good stuff, at ridiculous savings. So who is quilty? Trump? I don’t think so.

Have you been to the big ConExpo in Vegas?. Years ago, all the large profile equipment had, Gates, Parker or Aeroquip hydraulics. Now, I challenge you to find one using American product, it’s our fault, we trained them. Not Trump, give the man credit for attempting to fix it. Even John Deere green isn’t all domestic. We caused it.

If we continue. We won’t build anything here. Remember what Ross Perot said in the debate with Bush and Clinton? “We won’t make airplanes here anymore, if we don’t change”. I’ll never forget that. Perot was the Trump of that era. I voted for him.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/interactive/2024/china-migrants-us-border-san-diego-new-york/

 

[530RL]

You sound like you long for the life the Chinese national lives. How many Americans have you seen trying to sneak into China?

My business imported much of our commodity type stuff. Hydraulic steel adapter fittings were one. One of the plants we used, was visited by our import agent. He reported working conditions that made me cringe. Coal fired forges, Chinese sitting atop piles of coal with picks, rendering the coal down to usable sizes. No safety classes. No OSHA, nothing but a job another is waiting to fill.

@was thatguy and I have both said, we hope Trump knows what he’s doing. Regardless, status quo will end this Republic in the near future.

You seem angry that this is affecting your ability to provide brakes and it cost you money. America is more important to me than some short term pain, that I personally believe will be short lived. I’m willing to wait and see.

American industry is guilty here, they looked for cheaper supplies and sacrificed quality. But in time,our factories in China have trained them to make quality stuff for a fraction of the cost. My business was a large distributor of Gates Hydraulic hose and couplings. They have plants in China, sending us Chinese product, for the same price, they kept the margin. Others say we demanded cheaper product. Bullshit, they (industry) demanded higher margins. We never saw lower cost.

What happened over time, our American plants, taught them how to make good (equal) products that they offer at 30-40% of the cost. It’s good stuff, at ridiculous savings. So who is quilty? Trump? I don’t think so.

Have you been to the big ConExpo in Vegas?. Years ago, all the large profile equipment had, Gates, Parker or Aeroquip hydraulics. Now, I challenge you to find one using American product, it’s our fault, we trained them. Not Trump, give the man credit for attempting to fix it. Even John Deere green isn’t all domestic. We caused it.

If we continue. We won’t build anything here. Remember what Ross Perot said in the debate with Bush and Clinton? “We won’t make airplanes here anymore, if we don’t change”. I’ll never forget that. Perot was the Trump of that era. I voted for him.

You do understand we build substantially more today in America than we have ever done in the past.

It’s just a fact.

 

[Sandlord]

You do understand we build substantially more today in America than we have ever done in the past.

It’s just a fact.

Don’t we also import more than we ever did in the past?

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

You do understand we build substantially more today in America than we have ever done in the past.

It’s just a fact.

Not Hydraulic hose and couplings. That’s my knowledge base and skill set. I don’t make any claims outside of that.

 

[JJ McClure]

You sound like you long for the life the Chinese national lives. How many Americans have you seen trying to sneak into China?

My business imported much of our commodity type stuff. Hydraulic steel adapter fittings were one. One of the plants we used, was visited by our import agent. He reported working conditions that made me cringe. Coal fired forges, Chinese sitting atop piles of coal with picks, rendering the coal down to usable sizes. No safety classes. No OSHA, nothing but a job another is waiting to fill.

@was thatguy and I have both said, we hope Trump knows what he’s doing. Regardless, status quo will end this Republic in the near future.

You seem angry that this is affecting your ability to provide brakes and it cost you money. America is more important to me than some short term pain, that I personally believe will be short lived. I’m willing to wait and see.

American industry is guilty here, they looked for cheaper supplies and sacrificed quality. But in time,our factories in China have trained them to make quality stuff for a fraction of the cost. My business was a large distributor of Gates Hydraulic hose and couplings. They have plants in China, sending us Chinese product, for the same price, they kept the margin. Others say we demanded cheaper product. Bullshit, they (industry) demanded higher margins. We never saw lower cost.

What happened over time, our American plants, taught them how to make good (equal) products that they offer at 30-40% of the cost. It’s good stuff, at ridiculous savings. So who is quilty? Trump? I don’t think so.

Have you been to the big ConExpo in Vegas?. Years ago, all the large profile equipment had, Gates, Parker or Aeroquip hydraulics. Now, I challenge you to find one using American product, it’s our fault, we trained them. Not Trump, give the man credit for attempting to fix it. Even John Deere green isn’t all domestic. We caused it.

If we continue. We won’t build anything here. Remember what Ross Perot said in the debate with Bush and Clinton? “We won’t make airplanes here anymore, if we don’t change”. I’ll never forget that. Perot was the Trump of that era. I voted for him.

Leave it to MS530 to argue with the brightest and best RDP has to offer.
Thanks for your time and thoughts Steve. Like EF Hutton. I always listen when you say something.

 

[530RL]

Not Hydraulic hose and couplings. That’s my knowledge base and skill set. I don’t make any claims outside of that.

Given America is at full manufacturing employment. Which things would you like to quit manufacturing in America to manufacture hydraulic hoses and fittings?

My point being, you and others keep saying we are “not going to make anything in America” anymore. Yet we make more each year.

I’m missing the data disconnect. I understand the emotional content, I’m just missing the objective analytical part of it.

 

[530RL]

Don’t we also import more than we ever did in the past?

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Yes we do, as well as export more than we ever have.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Given America is at full manufacturing employment. Which things would you like to quit manufacturing in America to manufacture hydraulic hoses and fittings?

My point being, you and others keep saying we are “not going to make anything in America” anymore. Yet we make more each year.

I’m missing the data disconnect. I understand the emotional content, I’m just missing the objective analytical part of it.

I’d have preferred that Gates never had offshored the manufacturing in Iola, Red Bay and sent those jobs to China and Reynoso. Those jobs were right here in small town America. They’re gone due to corporate greed.

Charlie Gates was 100% in Denver for many years, his red brick buildings are all over Denver, still today.

He kept getting threats of strikes and unionizing. He, in a very public way, announced that one more, and he’d close the plant. They did and he did. He moved his manufacturing to small towns across the Midwest. Those towns counted on Gates and loved the company.

 

[Sandlord]

Yes we do, as well as export more than we ever have.

And the trade balance is getting worse

 

[lbhsbz]

You are mistaken about me.

I don't long to live a Chinese life, but nor do I look down upon the Chinese....they are simply people like you and me trying to make the best of everything.

Focusing on what I do....let's call it product line A, B, C, D, and E.. All are available from China.

Product line "A" is sourced exclusively here in the states from an OEM supplier....There is another supplier of this product line here in the states but they are assholes and after testing, their product doesn't measure up...so I source from the first one. 90 or so part numbers, quantities of 1000+ at a time per part number...they're a reasonable supplier to work with....I like them.

Product line "B"...there is absolutely no US or North American production of this product currently aside from the OEM level. This is a moulded product and the suppliers that do produce some of the parts won't entertain anyone who doesn't want to buy 500K units a year. There are multiple factories in China tooled for these parts, with complete coverage, and they'll sell me 100 at a time.....so I don't have much of a choice but to buy from them.

Product line "C"....Same as basically "B"

Product line "D"...every manufacture of these, even at the OEM level...seems to be in Canada. These are drawn or machined parts out of steel or aluminum. I have 3 factories in Canada that are tooled, catalog, and stock these parts that I can choose from. There is nobody in the USA that produces these on any type of scale or has established prints or cataloging or stock. I can get these out of China as well, but choose to use my Canadian supplier because it's not China and I get better faster service....quality is the same to worse, but mostly OK.

Product line E is available from China, India, and the US. I buy exclusively through the OEM supplier in the US. Half of what they've been sending me lately is from India, but I'm not importing it so I don't really care....aside from the fact that it is sub-par, and I make them fix it or produce it with their tooling here since that's what I'm paying for.

Why didn't you just open a factory and make stuff yourself that you couldn't source from US factories?

 

[was thatguy]

Given America is at full manufacturing employment. Which things would you like to quit manufacturing in America to manufacture hydraulic hoses and fittings?

My point being, you and others keep saying we are “not going to make anything in America” anymore. Yet we make more each year.

I’m missing the data disconnect. I understand the emotional content, I’m just missing the objective analytical part of it.

Actually, I personally have said that the goal seems more to be about leveling trade tariffs…or source from more equitable countries.

As far as emotional content, it seems to me that others, primarily STA, are speaking strictly data and facts, while you, sadly, are still spewing from a position of fully enveloped Trump derangement syndrome?

It seems a stretch, even for you, to try to steer the thread now toward your incessant crowing about the labor pool.
What’s next? A full pretzel twist into the inadequacies of shipbuilding??

Have another swig of MD 20/20 and think before you post.

 

[was thatguy]

You are mistaken about me.

I don't long to live a Chinese life, but nor do I look down upon the Chinese....they are simply people like you and me trying to make the best of everything.

Focusing on what I do....let's call it product line A, B, C, D, and E.. All are available from China.

Product line "A" is sourced exclusively here in the states from an OEM supplier....There is another supplier of this product line here in the states but they are assholes and after testing, their product doesn't measure up...so I source from the first one. 90 or so part numbers, quantities of 1000+ at a time per part number...they're a reasonable supplier to work with....I like them.

Product line "B"...there is absolutely no US or North American production of this product currently aside from the OEM level. This is a moulded product and the suppliers that do produce some of the parts won't entertain anyone who doesn't want to buy 500K units a year. There are multiple factories in China tooled for these parts, with complete coverage, and they'll sell me 100 at a time.....so I don't have much of a choice but to buy from them.

Product line "C"....Same as basically "B"

Product line "D"...every manufacture of these, even at the OEM level...seems to be in Canada. These are drawn or machined parts out of steel or aluminum. I have 3 factories in Canada that are tooled, catalog, and stock these parts that I can choose from. There is nobody in the USA that produces these on any type of scale or has established prints or cataloging or stock. I can get these out of China as well, but choose to use my Canadian supplier because it's not China and I get better faster service....quality is the same to worse, but mostly OK.

Product line E is available from China, India, and the US. I buy exclusively through the OEM supplier in the US. Half of what they've been sending me lately is from India, but I'm not importing it so I don't really care....aside from the fact that it is sub-par, and I make them fix it or produce it with their tooling here since that's what I'm paying for.

Why didn't you just open a factory and make stuff yourself that you couldn't source from US factories?

How big is your building?
Just curious.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Haven't heard or read anymore on this, but the radio this morning said that China is threatening to cut off things like medications. Up until this past year, I did not know that many of our medications were made there, or other countries overseas.
This would be an item I could see as being exceptable to replace other items manufactured here.

Shortages of many medications can be devastating for many families.

 

[530RL]

And the trade balance is getting worse

Isn’t that a good thing? Americans are getting goods and services at a discount to what it would cost otherwise. At the expense of the standard of living of our trade partners?

 

[was thatguy]

Isn’t that a good thing? Americans are getting goods and services at a discount to what it would cost otherwise. At the expense of the standard of living of our trade partners?

Steve’s comments on corporate margins versus import costs are starting to more clearly come into focus…

 

[lbhsbz]

How big is your building?
Just curious.

8x24 and it has a 2 5/16 hitch on it and 2 axles.....that's where I do my day to day. I have a bit over 1000 bin locations in this little trailer, a shipping desk/office, and everything I need for 95% of what I do every day.

I have another at least 700 sq/ft of storage garages I rent for overstock, and a 3 car garage for caliper production, plating, machine shop, fab, and more overstock storage, plus under my bed, the guest room, and wherever else I can stack shit.

 

[lbhsbz]

You sound like you long for the life the Chinese national lives. How many Americans have you seen trying to sneak into China?

My business imported much of our commodity type stuff. Hydraulic steel adapter fittings were one. One of the plants we used, was visited by our import agent. He reported working conditions that made me cringe. Coal fired forges, Chinese sitting atop piles of coal with picks, rendering the coal down to usable sizes. No safety classes. No OSHA, nothing but a job another is waiting to fill.

@was thatguy and I have both said, we hope Trump knows what he’s doing. Regardless, status quo will end this Republic in the near future.

You seem angry that this is affecting your ability to provide brakes and it cost you money. America is more important to me than some short term pain, that I personally believe will be short lived. I’m willing to wait and see.

American industry is guilty here, they looked for cheaper supplies and sacrificed quality. But in time,our factories in China have trained them to make quality stuff for a fraction of the cost. My business was a large distributor of Gates Hydraulic hose and couplings. They have plants in China, sending us Chinese product, for the same price, they kept the margin. Others say we demanded cheaper product. Bullshit, they (industry) demanded higher margins. We never saw lower cost.

What happened over time, our American plants, taught them how to make good (equal) products that they offer at 30-40% of the cost. It’s good stuff, at ridiculous savings. So who is quilty? Trump? I don’t think so.

Have you been to the big ConExpo in Vegas?. Years ago, all the large profile equipment had, Gates, Parker or Aeroquip hydraulics. Now, I challenge you to find one using American product, it’s our fault, we trained them. Not Trump, give the man credit for attempting to fix it. Even John Deere green isn’t all domestic. We caused it.

If we continue. We won’t build anything here. Remember what Ross Perot said in the debate with Bush and Clinton? “We won’t make airplanes here anymore, if we don’t change”. I’ll never forget that. Perot was the Trump of that era. I voted for him.

All of the foundries we dealt with in China switched to electric furnaces at least 15 years ago....Maybe you needed to find better suppliers.

 

[rcmike]

And in this thread, we are proving that the USA is no longer capable of making things we need for cars, planes, ships, tanks, etc.

And in the meantime, we are paying for infrastructure and education and development around the world, while ours crumbles.

We are devastating cities and towns around the country.

But C suite execs and board members are looking good, as long as they stay behind their gates.

Sounds like a great thing to me.

 

[Sandlord]

Isn’t that a good thing? Americans are getting goods and services at a discount to what it would cost otherwise. At the expense of the standard of living of our trade partners?

No
above the grey line good. (Money goes to USA)
below the gray line bad. (Money leaves USA)

 

[530RL]

No
above the grey line good. (Money goes to USA)
below the gray line bad. (Money leaves USA)
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I see.

You view a trade “deficit” as the same as a fiscal deficit?

 

[Sandlord]

I see.

You view a trade “deficit” as the same as a fiscal deficit?

No, you view a larger negative number as more than a positive number?

 

[530RL]

No, you view a larger negative number as more than a positive number?

It depends on the situation. Sometimes a negative number can be better.

I analyze the data and its meaning.

 

[Uncle Dave]

This is the way I look at it. However, you would be foolish to believe there is no Libturd jab at Trump here. Otherwise, why not put a real break down on each item that includes cost from producer, cost to ship, cost to store and sort, cost mark up for profit, cost of all included taxes, state and local.... Nahhhh....

It's true the libtards go after everything he does.

Are the contards any more honest Nahhhh....they try to cover for everything he screws up without just calling the ball on it.

Actually depending on where we do business we do list a series of costs. In some countries in Europe it's really bad.

Over time if they stay stagnant the costs get buried into MSRP, but when one week something gets a 10% bump then the next week 50, then the next week back to 10 its better to list the current surcharge/tax than jack around MSRP every week.

Another reason to list is that so poeple see you aren't marking it up beyond what it actually is, but thats " hostile".

You've never built products and sold them locally or globally right ? I ask because if you haven't then you cant really understand what it's like to try to publish and control pricing while keeping current and not gouging or losing money.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I’ve just assumed the “goal” was to try to have more balanced trade agreements?
I mean, it’s only a tax if one pays it…right?
No one is forced to buy anything really.
The Oracle always talks about the consumer steering the market…it seems to me, as a consumer and not a c-suite financier, that’s exactly what I’ll do?
I’ll adjust my purchasing habits, and I’ll leave adjusting ones importing habits to those that do the importing.
I’m quite sure someone will make the necessary changes to accommodate my preferences?

Semantics aside, that’s how I see this happening?

And…my portfolio is already back in the black…so that’s good!
Brief scare for a couple weeks.

The Amish can dodge the tax pretty easy, everyone else good luck.

It's only a tax if you buy almost anything electronic, or is made with electronic controls, that need repair or replacement.

If you want to buy anything that plugs into a wall or runs on a battery you are paying the tax.

Glad to hear your portfolio is rightside up.

 

[Sandlord]

It depends on the situation. Sometimes a negative number can be better.

I analyze the data and its meaning.

So you’re saying it’s getting better under Trump? Thanks.

 

[Uncle Dave]

No
above the grey line good. (Money goes to USA)
below the gray line bad. (Money leaves USA)
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How does raising our prices fix this problem ?

 

[Sandlord]

How does raising our price fix this problem ?

The same as moving manufacturing back in to the USA

 

[530RL]

So you’re saying it’s getting better under Trump? Thanks.

Time will tell if there are winners and losers or just as you believe, nothing but winners.

But those who support him and his government is the solution, whether they be farmers, importers, retirees or consumers should not complain if they lose their farms, their businesses or their livelihoods. No subsidies, no special tax breaks, no bailouts.

It’s a sacrifice they voted for.

Me, I believe government is never the solution, but if some want to believe so, I support their freedom to do so.

 

[Uncle Dave]

The same as moving manufacturing back in to the USA

Been waiting for that almost as long as the metric system, and the rhythm to come and get me.

 

[t&y]

It's true the libtards go after everything he does.

Are the contards any more honest Nahhhh....they try to cover for everything he screws up without just calling the ball on it.

Actually depending on where we do business we do list a series of costs. In some countries in Europe it's really bad.

Over time if they stay stagnant the costs get buried into MSRP, but when one week something gets a 10% bump then the next week 50, then the next week back to 10 its better to list the current surcharge/tax than jack around MSRP every week.

Another reason to list is that so poeple see you aren't marking it up beyond what it actually is, but thats " hostile".

You've never built products and sold them locally or globally right ? I ask because if you haven't then you cant really understand what it's like to try to publish and control pricing while keeping current and not gouging or losing money.

You are right. My bad. I do not build or sell anything, so I should probably just sit back and say nothing. Please remind everyone else that when any police matter comes up.

 

[Uncle Dave]

You are right. My bad. I do not build or sell anything, so I should probably just sit back and say nothing. Please remind everyone else that when any police matter comes up.

Alway happy to hear your input and we usually agree in the high 90% range.

Don't get all millenial on me.

As you know yourself, it's hard for guys that don't live a thing to always get the complexity of that thing.

 

[530RL]

You are right. My bad. I do not build or sell anything, so I should probably just sit back and say nothing. Please remind everyone else that when any police matter comes up.

I’ll take that deal.

 

[Ultra...Good]

I’ll take that deal.

Yore not capable of shutting up.
What else you got to offer?

 

[t&y]

Alway happy to hear your input and we usually agree in the high 90% range.

As you know yourself, it's hard for guys that don't live a thing to always get the complexity of that thing.

Yes yes... only you guys with business should discuss business. I get it.

 

[t&y]

Doesn't matter to me if you own a business or not, are paying tariff's on products coming in or not, I'm just real curious about a specific issue. All are welcome to answer here.

With all this nonsense going on with President Trump actually doing things he promised on the campaign trail, when is it again when the world ends and we are all on the streets? I'm not sure if it all comes to a head this Friday, or if we still have until next Friday.

 

[530RL]

Doesn't matter to me if you own a business or not, are paying tariff's on products coming in or not, I'm just real curious about a specific issue. All are welcome to answer here.

With all this nonsense going on with President Trump actually doing things he promised on the campaign trail, when is it again when the world ends and we are all on the streets? I'm not sure if it all comes to a head this Friday, or if we still have until next Friday.

No one is saying it is the end of the world under Trump.

Just as it wasn’t the end of the world under Biden despite the same protestations.

Life will go on. A president or his policies are just another hurdle in life we all get to go through. All these policies create winners and losers. Always has been always will be.

People are just pointing out the fallacies of some policies of each of them.

That is the point of the P&G. Debating how certain policies, regardless of party or president, will affect them or their business in a positive or negative manner.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Doesn't matter to me if you own a business or not, are paying tariff's on products coming in or not, I'm just real curious about a specific issue. All are welcome to answer here.

With all this nonsense going on with President Trump actually doing things he promised on the campaign trail, when is it again when the world ends and we are all on the streets? I'm not sure if it all comes to a head this Friday, or if we still have until next Friday.

IF you want to understand something then talking to poeple who deal with it is usually the best way to learn.

You get to take you your pick of info from guys that have never paid a single tariff invoice that claim to be experts on the matter, to guys that have paid millions of dollars and dealt with this thing firsthand for 7+ years now.

If Trump were doing the things he claimed we'd be seeing the business reshored but we aren't seeing that.
We've only seen the tariff side since 2018.

When is this place going to hold his feet to the fire on the reshoring ?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Doesn't matter to me if you own a business or not, are paying tariff's on products coming in or not, I'm just real curious about a specific issue. All are welcome to answer here.

With all this nonsense going on with President Trump actually doing things he promised on the campaign trail, when is it again when the world ends and we are all on the streets? I'm not sure if it all comes to a head this Friday, or if we still have until next Friday.

Maybe it's marked on this calendar...it's tied to the previous end of the world.

 

[530RL]

IF you want to understand something then talking to poeple who deal with it is usually the best way to learn.

You get to pick your take from guys that have never paid a single tariff invoice that claim to be experts on the matter to guys that have paid millions of dollars and dealt with this thing firsthand for 7+ years now.

If Trump were doing the things he claimed we'd be seeing the business reshored but we aren't seeing that.
We've only seen the tariff side since 2018.

When is this place going to hold his feet to the fire on the reshoring ?

Well, everyone touted Foxconn in Wisconsin, yet never followed up.

Foxconn plant, once touted by Trump as a 13,000-job juggernaut, will now create just 1,500 jobs

Former President Donald Trump said the Wisconsin factory complex would be "the eighth wonder of the world."

www.nbcnews.com

And Biden did the same. Same shit from government. Never comes through.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Dont even get me started on Biden.

 

[t&y]

IF you want to understand something then talking to poeple who deal with it is usually the best way to learn.

You get to pick your take from guys that have never paid a single tariff invoice that claim to be experts on the matter to guys that have paid millions of dollars and dealt with this thing firsthand for 7+ years now.

If Trump were doing the things he claimed we'd be seeing the business reshored but we aren't seeing that.
We've only seen the tariff side since 2018.

When is this place going to hold his feet to the fire on the reshoring ?

You seem to forget he was basically handcuffed his first term, then the Libturds moved in and have controlled much of what has happened for the last 6 years.

He has been in office for 100 days this time around. Did you expect it all to fall into place within that 100 days?

Your bias is starting to bleed through here.

Do you believe you are entitled to being successful in your business?

 

[t&y]

Maybe it's marked on this calendar...it's tied to the previous end of the world. View attachment 1501909

Wait a minute, I didn't say anything about unqualified Calander readers chiming in!

 

[t&y]

No one is saying it is the end of the world under Trump.

Just as it wasn’t the end of the world under Biden despite the same protestations.

Life will go on. A president or his policies are just another hurdle in life we all get to go through. All these policies create winners and losers. Always has been always will be.

People are just pointing out the fallacies of some policies of each of them.

That is the point of the P&G. Debating how certain policies, regardless of party or president, will affect them or their business in a positive or negative manner.

Thank god... So are you saying I didn't need to build the underground bunker?