On the Mexico and Canada Tariffs

[Sportin' Wood]

You say you can choose not to pay it. I say you are simply not aware of what % were dependent on outside parts.
You typed that on a computer with components made from a majority of Asian parts (not necessarily china, but from Taiwan or somewhere in asia) ,passing it through through an internet built with Asian components .
I do not believe you can choose to avoid this at all. You can ATTEMPT to minimize it, but avoiding it isnt possible.

Commodore 64, hacked together with a few raspberry pi's smuggled out of the UK and a 1986 RCA tube TV hooked up to an old C-band.

LOL

I went and stocked up on a few new computers to go on the shelf a few weeks ago in anticipation of the end of the world. I won't need anything for many years. Oddly they were on discount.


Kidding aside, Trump has cost us a fair bit of money in the first 100 days. Personally, professionally and financially. I hope he keeps it up, because we prepared for disruptions and it is for the betterment of our country and worth the investment. I fully understand the frustration, I just choose to look at the bright side.

 

[Christopher Lucero]

has no plan

OK, I am going to break a real big rule of mine and put some possibility into the intractability you and I both dislike.

IF we are in a deep hole, vulnerable, because we neglected our own industrial capacity
and
IF we are unlikely to be able to build our way out of that hole "fast, cheap, and good" all at the same time
and
IF delay is our only route to buying time to achieve those other two things

THEN

I know a guy whose capacity for delay, obfuscation, and stringing along people and skirting norms and legal strictures all under the guise of 'dealmaking' who is prime for the job

 

[Christopher Lucero]

He's doing EXACTLY what I want.....................

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Is he perfect? No and I don't care!

wait? IS that a picture of a guy on a wrecking ball smashing directly into the center of the USA?

 

[regor]

wait? IS that a picture of a guy on a wrecking ball smashing directly into the center of the USA?

 

[Uncle Dave]

OK, I am going to break a real big rule of mine and put some possibility into the intractability you and I both dislike.

IF we are in a deep hole, vulnerable, because we neglected our own industrial capacity
and
IF we are unlikely to be able to build our way out of that hole "fast, cheap, and good" all at the same time
and
IF delay is our only route to buying time to achieve those other two things

THEN

I know a guy whose capacity for delay, obfuscation, and stringing along people and skirting norms and legal strictures all under the guise of 'dealmaking' who is prime for the job

Haha for sure.

I remember giving my first sales forecast as a 21 year old pup and my then boss telling me -

"When IFS and BUTS are candy and nuts then we'll all have a Merry Christmas"

 

[Christopher Lucero]

Merry Christmas

oh god. that seems like a very long time from right now. first we gotta get past July 8th (end of 'riff pause) and Sept 30 (CR runs out) which are yet more evidence to how the MAGA charade parade rolls

 

[was thatguy]

Sorry to interrupt the Trump hate party, but on a side note they signed the Ukraine mineral deal today…

 

[530RL]

 

[Angler]

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LIBTARDS can't meme!

 

[was thatguy]

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[regor]

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[Angler]

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Now that's a meme 529.4, take note.

 

[was thatguy]

Now that's a meme 529.4, take note.

I believe Regor made that meme.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Sorry to interrupt the Trump hate party, but on a side note they signed the Ukraine mineral deal today…

Interesting, and theoretically good news?

I'm curious to know what that actually means in terms of committing resources to Ukraine.

Now all we have to do is dig it out of the ground and get it here while simultaneously somehow enticing industry to build the processing plants for the raw materials because thats where the bottleneck is - not the raw materials.

 

[was thatguy]

Interesting, and theoretically good news?

I'm curious to know what that actually means in terms of committing resources to Ukraine.

Now all we have to do is dig it out of the ground and get it here while simultaneously somehow enticing industry to build the processing plants for the raw materials because thats where the bottleneck is - not the raw materials.

Wow
We’ve both been on here a long time. In all these years I’ve never seen you so negative about…well, anything (everything?).
There is positive angles in everything that is happening.
You seem to be focusing entirely on obstacles, I see these times as a great point in history where we either go or blow.

Hang back UD, we got this.

 

[t&y]

This place will make a million excuses for this guy and be content waiting till the sun burns out before seeing promises fulfilled all the while taking it in the clacker with more and more taxes.

The collective you wouldn't put up with from a blue tie guy, why are you putting up with it from a guy with a red tie?

Lol.... He's been in 100 days. Sorry, but nobody is falling for this BS.

Keep screaming into the wind if you must.

 

[was thatguy]

This place will make a million excuses for this guy and be content waiting till the sun burns out before seeing promises fulfilled all the while taking it in the clacker with more and more taxes.

The collective you wouldn't put up with from a blue tie guy, why are you putting up with it from a guy with a red tie?

What’s the goal here UD?

 

[17 10 Flat]

Seems there are some Kamala supporters in here. Apparently thinking she would have gotten inflation under control, the national debt down, trade imbalance going the right way all in less than 100 days. Oh and gotten Russia and the Ukraine to agree to a peace deal couple months ago.

All the while closing our southern border to illegal immigration.

I've no doubt she would have accomplished that and more... Yaaaaaaaa

 

[lbhsbz]

...., we got this.

What, exactly, have you "got"?

 

[lbhsbz]

Seems there are some Kamala supporters in here. Apparently thinking she would have gotten inflation under control, the national debt down, trade imbalance going the right way all in less than 100 days. Oh and gotten Russia and the Ukraine to agree to a peace deal couple months ago.

All the while closing our southern border to illegal immigration.

I've no doubt she would have accomplished that and more... Yaaaaaaaa

I don't think there is a single Kamala supporter on here...except maybe 2Chill.


Nobody will ever be happy with our choices for the seat of the President....because nobody worth putting in the seat would be stupid enough to run for the office. Its like looking at both ends of the turd and trying to figure out which is clean end by which to pick it up. At the end of the day, we still end up with shit....then there are those who believe they found the clean end...lick their fingers, and make memes

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

I'm about 2 hours deep in trying to get a pallet here from Canada.....

The 19 pages of bullshit forms I've got to fill out (sent to me by the broker in a PDF)....if I fill them out using Acrobat, it cuts off half of every character. So, to fill this shit out by hand now and scan it. Scanner decided to quit, so I ordered a new printer/scanner for $300. This shit was ready to ship last week and could have been here by now, so I'm losing sales at this point. Why can't I just write a fucking check or make a wire transfer and make this done? I have better things to do today, which I can't get done because I'm dealing with this bullshit. Scanner won't be here till tomorrow, so add another day to the fucking mess.

I hope some of you posting meme's about the tariffs thinking it's the greatest thing since canned beer choke on a dick. Wanna put tariffs in place?...fine....create a system that's easy to navigate for the little guy who can't afford a $5M investment to tool things here...Otherwise, fuck right off and leave it alone

Just so you know it has been like that for years. I delta with it all the time when I had my ATV shop. Shipping and receiving. Its nothing new

 

[Uncle Dave]

What’s the goal here UD?

With what, the thread, or a certain topic in it?

 

[lbhsbz]

Just so you know it has been like that for years. I delta with it all the time when I had my ATV shop. Shipping and receiving. Its nothing new

I've imported from Canada monthly-ish for 5 years and never had to do anything but wire my supplier the $$. This is new for me and it's gigantic pain in my ass that didn't exist 2 months ago.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Wow
We’ve both been on here a long time. In all these years I’ve never seen you so negative about…well, anything (everything?).
There is positive angles in everything that is happening.
You seem to be focusing entirely on obstacles, I see these times as a great point in history where we either go or blow.

Hang back UD, we got this.


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I always enjoy our dialog.

Tariffs have cost my industry, my company and friends in it millions without delivering anything in an increasingly hostile regulatory environment.

This is money that would have gone to raises, R&D and more poeple. This pisses me off.

I dont see the problem being fixed I sure wish I did though,

Im neither a lover or hater of el Jefe grande, but somewhere in the middle on him despite being labelled as a hater.

Start a DEI thread and see my excitement level flip instantly.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Lol.... He's been in 100 days. Sorry, but nobody is falling for this BS.

Keep screaming into the wind if you must.

LOL BS.

He's been BACK 100 days where he had three years to get started.

Not buying revisionist elimination of history, you can keep trying to sell it though.

 

[t&y]

LOL BS.

He's been BACK 100 days where he had three years to get started.

Not buying revisionist elimination of history, you can keep trying to sell it though.

I'm not the one forgetting history here buddy. You conveniently ignore what this country went through starting with one party literally using government agencies to spy on their political opponent, and all the lawfare between then and now that you can't seem to acknowledge because of your money loss. At least you finally put it out there and it makes sense why this is such a sensitive subject for you.

Oh well... Trump is doing exactly what I voted for him to do.

Like I said, keep screaming into the wind if you must.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I don't think there is a single Kamala supporter on here...except maybe 2Chill.

The dems were out of their minds on that call.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I'm not the one forgetting history here buddy. You conveniently ignore what this country went through starting with one party literally using government agencies to spy on their political opponent, and all the lawfare between then and now that you can't seem to acknowledge because of your money loss. At least you finally put it out there and it makes sense why this is such a sensitive subject for you.

Oh well... Trump is doing exactly what I voted for him to do.

Like I said, keep screaming into the wind if you must.

What are you talking about? lawfare? ignoring ?huh?

I never supported government spying on their opponents? Show me where I said anything like that?

Score him as you want, but I consider and call the reshoring an as of yet unfulfilled promise.

No one forces anyone to tune into this station to listen to me scream.

 

[lbhsbz]

We do agree, no one is entitled to be successful in business. I'm pretty sure I said this early on this discussion (may have been a different thread) but you as the business owner need to adapt to the environment. If the business model you built does not work anymore, either change it or give it up.

OK...let's turn this around a bit....

You've posted multiple times about how the hands of good cops are tied by BS and used that as an excuse, true or not, as to why you cops can't do their jobs. Put your money where your mouth is. Quit the force if your so unhappy with the way things are going.

....but you won't....cuz that OT and pension

There are 2 kinds of business owners....those that have a passion for the field and want to provide a better product or service than was previously available.....and those that just see an opportunity to make money with no interest whatsoever in the subject matter or product.

I imagine you joined for the force for combination of those 2 reasons....because you wanted to help, and because you wanted that paycheck and that pension.....now that the first one is mostly gone, and you're still there....that put's you firmly in the second category....right with the greedy corporate fucks.

I have 2 choices at this point in my life....I can continue to pivot, find my niche, work for it and bitch about it, or I can go get a job. I'm not doing the second one because then I'm just another bitch doing what his boss tells him to do....I'm over that life.

It's easy to have an opinion when your salary and pension is funded by tax dollars.....but you kinda need to STFU when having a discussion with those who provide those tax dollars.

What's it gonna be? Stand up against policies you disagree with? Learn to agree with them? Or be a compliant bitch?

 

[FROGMAN524]

Is there anybody on this forum who makes millions of dollars helping to offshore American jobs and companies to Asia? Anybody who might be upset about all of that industry coming home?

 

[t&y]

OK...let's turn this around a bit....

You've posted multiple times about how the hands of good cops are tied by BS and used that as an excuse, true or not, as to why you cops can't do their jobs. Put your money where your mouth is. Quit the force if your so unhappy with the way things are going.

....but you won't....cuz that OT and pension

Wow... Okay then.

Reality check for you here bud. There are many different things to do as a cop. What I have done repeatedly is adapt to the environment controlled by the state and federal legislature. If they want to make things legal, or decriminalize things, then so be it. I roll with it and follow the law. Generally that includes having to explain repeatedly to people who expect a certain type of service that is no longer available, and refer them to their local state or federal legislature for their complaints.

And not that it's any of your personal business here, but I have put my morals and values far above my career choice which includes a pension. I'd love to think OT is guaranteed, but it is not. It's obvious you have no idea how close I've been to going a completely different route due to political issues, and that is fine. One of them was played out on here with questions about COVID exemptions. I already had my exit strategy, spoke with my entire family about what was to come, and waited to see if my course of action was going to keep me employed as a cop or if I was moving on.

There are 2 kinds of business owners....those that have a passion for the field and want to provide a better product or service than was previously available.....and those that just see an opportunity to make money with no interest whatsoever in the subject matter or product.

I imagine you joined for the force for combination of those 2 reasons....because you wanted to help, and because you wanted that paycheck and that pension.....now that the first one is mostly gone, and you're still there....that put's you firmly in the second category....right with the greedy corporate fucks.

Interesting perspective you have there. Is a person who adapts with the changing times to continue to collect a paycheck simply a "greedy corporate fuck" to you?

My passion for the job, nor my ability to perform it has changed. The rules guiding how it is done certainly have changed, but the priority of protecting the community and my partners has not. Unfortunately, it's a lot harder to literally protect the community now, but I just keep on going. Is the fact that I get paid and get a pension what has you all riled up here?

I have 2 choices at this point in my life....I can continue to pivot, find my niche, work for it and bitch about it, or I can go get a job. I'm not doing the second one because then I'm just another bitch doing what his boss tells him to do....I'm over that life.

Ahhhh there it is. Anybody who is not a business owner is just a bitch in your eyes.

Well, if you are not going to work for someone, then I'd suggest pulling up your boot straps and getting to work. You, just like me and everyone else, has to abide by the rules that govern our business and way of life. I adjust and continue to do my job as long as it does not compromise my morals or values in life. I would suspect you would do the same. So if doing that makes me a "bitch" then I guess you are just as much of a bitch as I am, unless you are the type that would sacrifice your morals and values for that all might dollar.

It's easy to have an opinion when your salary and pension is funded by tax dollars.....but you kinda need to STFU when having a discussion with those who provide those tax dollars.

What percentage of my salary do you pay again? Oh, that's right. You pay at the same percentage I do. Nice try, but really that is some lower level nonsense that you should be above.

What's it gonna be? Stand up against policies you disagree with? Learn to agree with them? Or be a compliant bitch?

Oh boy, I get three choices here. Well, I guess I'll just keep doing what I've been doing, and enforcing the laws, while protecting the members of the community I serve, while following the policies, state law, and federal law, that govern how I can enforce the law.

If you think that makes me a "compliant bitch" then so be it. Are you saying you are a real life tough guy out there breaking the law daily to get by with your business, or are you just a compliant bitch as well?

 

[t&y]

What are you talking about? lawfare? ignoring ?huh?

I never supported government spying on their opponents? Show me where I said anything like that?

Score him as you want, but I consider and call the reshoring an as of yet unfulfilled promise.

No one forces anyone to tune into this station to listen to me scream.

What you continue to do is seemingly ignore everything that has occurred between Trump implementing his initial Tariff's and now, and some how hold him responsible for the proceeds from those Tariff's up until now.

Do you at least acknowledge that he lost the house in 2018, and was not president in charge of spending between 2020 and 2024? Or do you think he was somehow pulling strings while fighting the very obvious lawfare against him which still continues to this day?

It appears that one of your fellow business owner is on the verge of meltdown. I'll leave it at this. I hope you the best with your business. All I think needs to happen is give Trump more than 100 days to make actual change.

 

[lbhsbz]

Wow... Okay then.

Reality check for you here bud. There are many different things to do as a cop. What I have done repeatedly is adapt to the environment controlled by the state and federal legislature. If they want to make things legal, or decriminalize things, then so be it. I roll with it and follow the law. Generally that includes having to explain repeatedly to people who expect a certain type of service that is no longer available, and refer them to their local state or federal legislature for their complaints.

And not that it's any of your personal business here, but I have put my morals and values far above my career choice which includes a pension. I'd love to think OT is guaranteed, but it is not. It's obvious you have no idea how close I've been to going a completely different route due to political issues, and that is fine. One of them was played out on here with questions about COVID exemptions. I already had my exit strategy, spoke with my entire family about what was to come, and waited to see if my course of action was going to keep me employed as a cop or if I was moving on.

Interesting perspective you have there. Is a person who adapts with the changing times to continue to collect a paycheck simply a "greedy corporate fuck" to you?

My passion for the job, nor my ability to perform it has changed. The rules guiding how it is done certainly have changed, but the priority of protecting the community and my partners has not. Unfortunately, it's a lot harder to literally protect the community now, but I just keep on going. Is the fact that I get paid and get a pension what has you all riled up here?


Ahhhh there it is. Anybody who is not a business owner is just a bitch in your eyes.

Well, if you are not going to work for someone, then I'd suggest pulling up your boot straps and getting to work. You, just like me and everyone else, has to abide by the rules that govern our business and way of life. I adjust and continue to do my job as long as it does not compromise my morals or values in life. I would suspect you would do the same. So if doing that makes me a "bitch" then I guess you are just as much of a bitch as I am, unless you are the type that would sacrifice your morals and values for that all might dollar.

What percentage of my salary do you pay again? Oh, that's right. You pay at the same percentage I do. Nice try, but really that is some lower level nonsense that you should be above.


Oh boy, I get three choices here. Well, I guess I'll just keep doing what I've been doing, and enforcing the laws, while protecting the members of the community I serve, while following the policies, state law, and federal law, that govern how I can enforce the law.

If you think that makes me a "compliant bitch" then so be it. Are you saying you are a real life tough guy out there breaking the law daily to get by with your business, or are you just a compliant bitch as well?

It's your belief that the PD actually enforces the law? That's laughable. Protect citizens from what? It's a reactive response if there's a response at all.

The only fucking thing the PD is good for is preventing people from protecting their own property and themselves.

You keep believing you're "helping"....whatever gets you through the day.

To your other points....anyone who sacrifices their morals for a paycheck is a bitch. I've had a few jobs that I walked away from when the brass directed me to do something I felt was wrong. I've also stuck with jobs and did what I felt was wrong as directed by the boss....and yes, that made me a bitch. I'm fortunate to have moved away from that situation.

 

[t&y]

It's your belief that the PD actually enforces the law? That's laughable.

24/7 - 365 days a year.

Protect citizens from what? It's a reactive response if there's a response at all.

Completely false, but what do I know. Now, if the DOJ and State Legislature get their way, then absolutely cops will be just like firemen and only respond after the fact. Fortunately, we are not there yet, but it's getting close.

Make no mistake, there is no denying my job has only become more restrictive. That has directly effected our ability to be proactive, but it's not completely gone yet.

The only fucking thing the PD is good for is preventing people from protecting their own property and themselves.

You keep believing you're "helping"....whatever gets you through the day.

Ahh, that sounded sincere. Thanks buddy.

To your other points....anyone who sacrifices their morals for a paycheck is a bitch. I've had a few jobs that I walked away from when the brass directed me to do something I felt was wrong. I've also stuck with jobs and did what I felt was wrong as directed by the boss....and yes, that made me a bitch. I'm fortunate to have moved away from that situation.

Okay, but are you saying you don't follow the rules like I do? Or are you just another greedy corporate fuck and a bitch like everyone else following the rules and making money to support their family?

 

[lbhsbz]

24/7 - 365 days a year.


Completely false, but what do I know. Now, if the DOJ and State Legislature get their way, then absolutely cops will be just like firemen and only respond after the fact. Fortunately, we are not there yet, but it's getting close.

Make no mistake, there is no denying my job has only become more restrictive. That has directly effected our ability to be proactive, but it's not completely gone yet.


Ahh, that sounded sincere. Thanks buddy.


Okay, but are you saying you don't follow the rules like I do? Or are you just another greedy corporate fuck and a bitch like everyone else following the rules and making money to support their family?

Define Rules. I follow the law. I don't do anything outside of the law....hell, I don't even drive over the speed limit anymore. I was sitting at red light the other day and there was a cop next to me. On the other side of me, about 4 kids on mini-bikes...no helmets, no plates, nothing pulled up. Light turned green, we all took off. The cop took a left into a neighborhood on the next block....ignored the illegal activity.

Why do I have to play by the rules while everyone else gets a pass? Too lazy to write the report, or the boss told them to ignore it. Clearly, the law states that this activity is against the law....why not do something about it if you observe it as a LEO? This is a discussion that's occured before....it has nothing to do with the law, it has to do with kids on mini-bikes have no money for revenue. I don't really care why LEO does nothing about it....I care that they do nothing about it. Enforce the law or go do something else.

If I run these fuckers down, I'll be in jail. If I don't, they continue to think it's OK because LE doesn't give a fuck. I thought your job was to enforce the law and penalize those who break the law....why don't you do that when you see it?

You took a job to perform a task....you are not able to perform that task because of "regulations". Regulations are not laws, regulations are rules outside of the law put in place by your employer. If those regulations disagree with the law, you still follow them.....that doesn't make it right. You either agree with the regulations that don't follow law, or you follow them because you want to maintain your paycheck, OT, and pension. The other choice is to quit.

I'm not here preaching how I know more than everyone else about things going on...because I don't. I'm here sharing my opinions based on what I have to deal with directly related to the issue at hand and how it affects me and the little shitty business I've attempted to build. Then we have a guy like you who's entire livelihood is funded by tax dollars trying to shoehorn his way into making a valid point when you have no goddam clue what you're talking about. You get told what to do, you do it, you get your paycheck and a secure future....when someone with that sort of program tells me I need to adapt to changing conditions or fail?....sorry, but fuck right off.

 

[t&y]

Define Rules. I follow the law. I don't do anything outside of the law....hell, I don't even drive over the speed limit anymore. I was sitting at red light the other day and there was a cop next to me. On the other side of me, about 4 kids on mini-bikes...no helmets, no plates, nothing pulled up. Light turned green, we all took off. The cop took a left into a neighborhood on the next block....ignored the illegal activity.

Uhh oh. Sounding like a bitch given your description above.

Why do I have to play by the rules while everyone else gets a pass? Too lazy to write the report, or the boss told them to ignore it. Clearly, the law states that this activity is against the law....why not do something about it if you observe it as a LEO? This is a discussion that's occured before....it has nothing to do with the law, it has to do with kids on mini-bikes have no money for revenue. I don't really care why LEO does nothing about it....I care that they do nothing about it. Enforce the law or go do something else.

You only have to play by the rules if you want to be a bitch, just like you clearly explained above. So either stop being a bitch, or continue to be a bitch. Not my concern either way.

Regarding the kids on the mini bikes. That cop could absolutely attempt a traffic stop, cite and impound the bikes, or use his/her discretion and move on. Just like happens the majority of time traffic violations occur right in front of cops. For all you know that cop was responding to a citizen complaint in the community. Would you now rather have them ignore calls for service and just chase mini bikes so you feel better about the deal?

If I run these fuckers down, I'll be in jail. If I don't, they continue to think it's OK because LE doesn't give a fuck. I thought your job was to enforce the law and penalize those who break the law....why don't you do that when you see it?

Are you really advocating for black and white letter of the law enforcement? What you don't see are the 100 of contacts and arrests daily because apparently they aren't all on mini bikes. Don't know how to convince you it's occurring, but it is, but admittedly probably way below the mini bike stats that you demand.

For decades Peace Officers in the state of California have had discretion when enforcing traffic violations. You would never know that if you have dealt with the CHP but yes, even they have discretion. That is one of those moral and value lines I've had from day one on the job. If my job was literally to enforce everything black and white by the letter without being able to inject common sense, I would never have kept this job. I really don't think you understand what you are suggesting which is fine with me. Not my job to change that.

No go out there, stop being a bitch, and break the rules to feed your family.

 

[lbhsbz]

No go out there, stop being a bitch, and break the rules to feed your family.

Not an option. I'm a somewhat successful white person....LEO will get off their ass and do their job the second I step out of line.

Edit, as usual, we're way off topic. Apologies to all for my instigating this deviation.

There are those currently feeling the heat of the tariffs, and there are those that will feel the heat of the tariffs. Everyone falls into one of those 2 categories. The ones praising them are in the later.

The tariffs will solve some problems...eventually, but cause many more in the process. The question is whether or not the juice is worth the squeeze....we will find out someday I suppose. In the meantime, those currently unaffected will support them and those currently affected will be against them. That's it.

 

[t&y]

Not an option. I'm a somewhat successful white person....LEO will get off their ass and do their job the second I step out of line.

So a bitch it is then. Welcome to the club.

You wanna get back to how you plan to work with or around the tariff's, or will mini bikes be the point of discussion moving forward?

Do you at least plan on giving Trump a bit of time to make things change? You may have posted it already, but I'm sure it's lost in the deep discussion above.

 

[lbhsbz]

So a bitch it is then. Welcome to the club.

You wanna get back to how you plan to work with or around the tariff's, or will mini bikes be the point of discussion moving forward?

Do you at least plan on giving Trump a bit of time to make things change? You may have posted it already, but I'm sure it's lost in the deep discussion above.

See my edit above.

Trump had 4 years. He's had 100 days now and things have become exponentially more difficult for me since he took office. The other option would have also been a disaster.

I'm doing what I can within my power, and that's all I can do. If it work out....great!.....if it doesn't, we'll close up shop and figure out something else....probably end up as someone's bitch again. I'm good for another year with my parts on hand.....and then I can take 2 or so years to sort out what to do next before I'm stuck eating ramen. I bought a new lawnmower a few months ago, so maybe I can be a gardener.

 

[t&y]

See my edit above.

Trump had 4 years. He's had 100 days now and things have become exponentially more difficult for me since he took office. The other option would have also been a disaster.

I'm doing what I can within my power, and that's all I can do. If it work out....great!.....if it doesn't, we'll close up shop and figure out something else....probably end up as someone's bitch again. I'm good for another year with my parts on hand.....and then I can take 2 or so years to sort out what to do next before I'm stuck eating ramen. I bought a new lawnmower a few months ago, so maybe I can be a gardener.

From what I know about the business you've posted on here, I can't imagine you would have to go under. Seems to me you might have to raise your prices going forward or just take the loss for a bit, but it seems you have found one of those niche's in the market that is sustainable.

All BS above aside, I'm not against you or any of the other business owners out there. I just can't wrap my head around everyone expected nothing to change, but everything to change at the same time.

 

[was thatguy]

With what, the thread, or a certain topic in it?

I’m just wondering if you’re simply venting?
There isn’t a lot to be accomplished by displacing in here, as you know.

I’ll admit, it feels good to call the oracle an idiot now and then, and see what kind of twisted drivel he’s throwing out there.
Other than that nothing will be settled or changed by arguing out of frustration.
Most of us simply aren’t at the level of having these tariffs truly hurt us.
We aren’t you, we aren’t MS-530, we dont order 1000 brake pads.
We are end users that just buy what we need. Yelling at us is akin to tilting at windmills. Lol

You don’t get why we dont really care about a little extra cost, and we don’t get why it’s such a big deal to you.
2 different playing fields.
So…what’s the goal here?

 

[t&y]

You took a job to perform a task....you are not able to perform that task because of "regulations". Regulations are not laws, regulations are rules outside of the law put in place by your employer. If those regulations disagree with the law, you still follow them.....that doesn't make it right. You either agree with the regulations that don't follow law, or you follow them because you want to maintain your paycheck, OT, and pension. The other choice is to quit.

I'm not here preaching how I know more than everyone else about things going on...because I don't. I'm here sharing my opinions based on what I have to deal with directly related to the issue at hand and how it affects me and the little shitty business I've attempted to build. Then we have a guy like you who's entire livelihood is funded by tax dollars trying to shoehorn his way into making a valid point when you have no goddam clue what you're talking about. You get told what to do, you do it, you get your paycheck and a secure future....when someone with that sort of program tells me I need to adapt to changing conditions or fail?....sorry, but fuck right off.

Lol.... I missed this on your edit. I'd gladly respond to that nonsense if you'd like, or we could just move along.

"Sorry... but fuck right off." Classy.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

I've imported from Canada monthly-ish for 5 years and never had to do anything but wire my supplier the $$. This is new for me and it's gigantic pain in my ass that didn't exist 2 months ago.

Everytime I shipped or received from Canada, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Kuwait, Qatar, Dubai, Australia, UK, ect.. it was a mile of paperwork. And then, when shipping, always the question "can you change the #s on my invoice so we don't have to pay as much when it gets here?" Uhh, no! Lol

But I was selling part manufactured in the US with American materials.

 

[lbhsbz]

I’m just wondering if you’re simply venting?
There isn’t a lot to be accomplished by displacing in here, as you know.

I’ll admit, it feels good to call the oracle an idiot now and then, and see what kind of twisted drivel he’s throwing out there.
Other than that nothing will be settled or changed by arguing out of frustration.
Most of us simply aren’t at the level of having these tariffs truly hurt us.
We aren’t you, we aren’t MS-530, we dont order 1000 brake pads.
We are end users that just buy what we need. Yelling at us is akin to tilting at windmills. Lol

You don’t get why we dont really care about a little extra cost, and we don’t get why it’s such a big deal to you.
2 different playing fields.
So…what’s the goal here?

First off...I have no idea where the brake pad comments keep coming from. I don't sell brake pads or deal with them. You are ignorant.

Admittedly, none of this has had any affect on you....so why are you involving yourself in this discussion?

"a little extra cost"....lol. The added cost directly from the tariff is the least of anyone's concerns....I honestly don't give a fuck if my costs double...or triple even....that's easy enough to adapt to/work through, etc....

What you folks who aren't yet affected don't seem to get through your heads is the side affects of all this. We don't just get to pay more, that would be simple. Factories have simply stopped shipping in many cases and sent all their workers home for the time being. I can't get parts even if I wanted to pay 10 times what I was paying before. Let's say I've got 20 kits that use a certain part that I just ran out of. These 20 kits fit 400 applications. I need to spend a week sorting through all that shit, killing the listings on eBay, zero-ing the stock on my website, and answering 40 emails/day about when these might be back in stock. Then...if I do get this component in again, spend 2 or so days putting everything back in place and making it available for sale. That's for my retail side. Then I have the wholesale side....since I can't supply that one part, which makes about 20 other parts mostly useless, I've got customers who I sell bulk product to wanting to return a bunch of stuff and get refunded since it's of no use to them. Others that haven't started returns yet I have to basically tell them I can't supply them anything until this gets sorted out....whenever that might be. I've spent more goddam time dealing with the fallout from this than I can even put into thoughts. I wish I could just write a check for 2 or 3 or 4 times the previous cost and get my shit so I can avoid all this wasted time "managing" it. It's exhausting.

A lot of small business run on the ragged edge of available bandwidth....If I raise my prices...which is a task in itself for the 4K+ part numbers I have available, my wholesale customers have to adjust their pricing too, which usually requires some phone calls and discussion as to who absorbs how much of the increase as to keep their final product priced in such a manner where everyone can make a little bit of money while still being able to actually sell stuff....more wasted man hours that we don't have to waste. Could hire someone to help....but that a whole 'nother big pain in the ass.

Yeah, A few extra bucks. That's all. What's everyone so concerned about?


It would be way easier if my tax rate went to 50% and everything else stayed the same.....I'd prefer it, actually. The gov would get more money from me, and I'd have my sanity (what little existed before this bullshit started).

 

[was thatguy]

First off...I have no idea where the brake pad comments keep coming from. I don't sell brake pads or deal with them. You are ignorant.

Admittedly, none of this has had any affect on you....so why are you involving yourself in this discussion?

"a little extra cost"....lol. The added cost directly from the tariff is the least of anyone's concerns....I honestly don't give a fuck if my costs double...or triple even....that's easy enough to adapt to/work through, etc....

What you folks who aren't yet affected don't seem to get through your heads is the side affects of all this. We don't just get to pay more, that would be simple. Factories have simply stopped shipping in many cases and sent all their workers home for the time being. I can't get parts even if I wanted to pay 10 times what I was paying before. Let's say I've got 20 kits that use a certain part that I just ran out of. These 20 kits fit 400 applications. I need to spend a week sorting through all that shit, killing the listings on eBay, zero-ing the stock on my website, and answering 40 emails/day about when these might be back in stock. Then...if I do get this component in again, spend 2 or so days putting everything back in place and making it available for sale. That's for my retail side. Then I have the wholesale side....since I can't supply that one part, which makes about 20 other parts mostly useless, I've got customers who I sell bulk product to wanting to return a bunch of stuff and get refunded since it's of no use to them. Others that haven't started returns yet I have to basically tell them I can't supply them anything until this gets sorted out....whenever that might be. I've spent more goddam time dealing with the fallout from this than I can even put into thoughts. I wish I could just write a check for 2 or 3 or 4 times the previous cost and get my shit so I can avoid all this wasted time "managing" it. It's exhausting.

Yeah, A few extra bucks. That's all. What's everyone so concerned about?

It’s easier to call you the brake pad guy than your screen name.
That’s it.
It isn’t a jab.
Hey, come do my job for a day and I’ll call you ignorant as well…lol
Read slower. I just said that most of us aren’t in your shoes. We won’t see the direct effect that is pissing you off in this small moment in time.
We end users see what might be a positive end result, over time.
Status quo certainly was unsustainable.

 

[lbhsbz]

It’s easier to call you the brake pad guy than your screen name.
That’s it.
It isn’t a jab.
Hey, come do my job for a day and I’ll call you ignorant as well…lol
Read slower. I just said that most of us aren’t in your shoes. We won’t see the direct effect that is pissing you off in this small moment in time.
We end users see what might be a positive end result, over time.
Status quo certainly was unsustainable.

I don't know what your job is, nor do I want to do it.....which is why I don't comment on it.

End users are exposed to a delay....by the end of the year, a lot of people will change their tunes I imagine.

 

[was thatguy]

I don't know what your job is, nor do I want to do it.....which is why I don't comment on it.

End users are exposed to a delay....by the end of the year, a lot of people will change their tunes I imagine.

We will see I suppose.

I am a directional driller. A hired gun as it were.
Not like road or river crossings, but on oil and gas rigs.

I steer the wells to do horizontals and “S” wells.
Typically the wells are drilled with a directional plan to maybe 9500’to about 10,500’ depending on where in the country it is.
Then I will drill a 90* curve built on typically 10*-13* per 100’ build rates, landing horizontal in a 8’ target window around 11,500’ MD (measured depth, this is different than TVD, true vertical depth that never changes as you drill sideways)
Then drill sideways within a 8-10’ “window” for a couple miles…usually finishing at around 23,000’ MD (longer in say the Bakken shales in ND, shorter in the Permian in west Texas)
If I fuck up it’s a plug and redrill, about a million dollar or more screw up. (I carry a $2 million bond)
These wells usually run $5-$8 million to drill.
There is zero room for error, and these days we do the whole well in less than 10 days.
I’ve been doing this 20 years of my 37 year oilfield career. (After I was a machinist)
In high school I failed basic math…now I do trig in my head.
I have about $10 million in downhole tools sitting outside ready for pick up right now, just came off the rig floor 2 hours ago. (I don’t own them, several different companies own them, can you believe I’m trusted with possession and transportation of them?!lol)
I am many things.
Good and bad.
Ignorant is not one of them.
(At least I like to think that…lol…in my position there is also zero room for self doubt, you stick your chest out, laugh at the challenge, and do the fucking job and make it look easy)

Do you see how the brake job on my work vehicle starts to pale towards insignificance in the grand scheme of things in my world?
You’ll figure it out, and if not someone else will…just like my job.
If you can’t supply the shit someone else will…just like my job.


This was right next to the rig the other day.
Good looking examples of ‘merica I thought…

 

[lbhsbz]

We will see I suppose.

I am a directional driller. A hired gun as it were.
Not like road or river crossings, but on oil and gas rigs.

I steer the wells to do horizontals and “S” wells.
Typically the wells are drilled with a directional plan to maybe 9500’to about 10,500’ depending on where in the country it is.
Then I will do a 90* curve built on typically 10*-13* per 100’ build rates, landing horizontal in a 8’ target window.
Then drill sideways within a 8-10’ “window” for a couple miles…usually finishing at around 23,000’ MD
If I fuck up it’s a plug and redrill, about a million dollar or more screw up. (I carry a $2 million bond)
These wells usually run $5-$8 million to drill.
There is zero room for error, and these days we do the whole well in less than 10 days.
I’ve been doing this 20 years of my 37 year oilfield career. (After I was a machinist)
In high school I failed basic math…now I do trig in my head.
I have about $10 million in downhole tools sitting outside ready for pick up right now, just came off the rig floor 2 hours ago.
I am many things.
Ignorant is not one of them.

This was right next to the rig the other day.
Good looking examples of ‘merica I th

That's all good and fine, and irrelevant to the matter of the discussion.

Look up the the meaning of the word "ignorant".

 

[was thatguy]

That's all good and fine, and irrelevant to the matter of the discussion.

Look up the the meaning of the word "ignorant".

Don’t need to.
It’s on full display right in front of me.

 

[was thatguy]

There is no discussion.
It’s you bitching because things changed. Blame me, blame Trump, blame Canadian customs if you must.
At the end of the day it’s all on you brother.

I’m out, good luck.
Been there done that.