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A very reasonable post.

What do you do?

I don't know anyone that isn't ok with some short term pain for long term gain - but when exactly does the long term gain that in our favor start?
We/ you have been paying tariffs since 2018.

Where is the industry, what is the plan, where are the incentives to invest, how do you get companies to spend billions, when the current or next guy can undo any prior deal by declaring an emergency?

It sounds like you have or had sourcing options that weren't coming from Asia.
This the first easiest step to avoid paying a tariff - just buy from a place that isnt tariffed.

When that isn't an option then you have no choice but to either eat the tariff or pass it on, usually with an added bump because now you have to carry the cost and burden of tracking and carrying the money so typically X % gets bumped.

Is it to much to expect to see a plan or some movement on the " gain" part?
According to this place I should have zero expectations of actual performance and be hunky dory with runaway taxation.

There clearly wasn't a plan do anything but spend the money because we haven't seen a plan through three administrations now.

This group is making excuses for the lack of performance and I diverge with them on this expectation.

I understand how you feel there isn't a plan but Trump has laid out the basics. I really think the issue is they (the administration) underestimated the push back this time around especially from China. China will grumble their economy and imo already has done ton's of damage to prove a point. They seen it during his first administration and he campaigned pretty hard on it also so they all knew it was coming from day one which is really making me scratch my head why they are holding out so much.

We have been paying tariffs since 2018 but then covid hit and all the free money come in so naturally people complained more about shipping costs on containers and shortages and nothing on tariffs because business was good, in fact it was great. Biden admin comes in doesn't lift any of Trumps tariffs but again everyone was focused on "inflation" not tariffs and business was still decent for the most part.

I believe 2024 was when everyone really started feeling it all to be honest.
 

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I drive all over the country. I run through small towns, small cities, and big cities. And a lot of ghost towns.

It's real obvious when the factory closed, and the town dried up and blew away. The despair is palpable. If they are lucky, they still have a Dollar General and a gas station.

This is the cost of globalization. We can pretend to ignore it, but it is fucking real.

MS53 doesn't care as long as the pool boy he imported this week is serving margaritas and cocoa oil at sunset.. It sounds like you actually care about the people you employ.. But in the end, there is no way to compete with labor where you can pay a dollar a week. So either we abandon industry altogether, and everybody flips burgers while the MS53s escape the Singapore, or figure out a way to change this script.
We manufacture more in America than we ever have in the past.

I don't get all the doom and gloom about manufacuring? There is a ton of it in America.

Why do you want to go from record output to abandoning it?

This repeated statement that we have abandoned manufacturing in America is just odd?
 

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We manufacture more in America than we ever have in the past.

I don't get all the doom and gloom about manufacuring? There is a ton of it in America.

Why do you want to go from record output to abandoning it?

This repeated statement that we have abandoned manufacturing in America is just odd?
Man you really did your stretches today!!
 

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We manufacture more in America than we ever have in the past.

I don't get all the doom and gloom about manufacuring? There is a ton of it in America.

Why do you want to go from record output to abandoning it?

This repeated statement that we have abandoned manufacturing in America is just odd?
I bet it looks that way from the chaise lounge while Carlos gives you a rubdown, right?

I wonder when was the last time you left your gates..

When you actually see the places that were abandoned, the locked gates and the debris against the fences, the locked empty stores and the crumbling buildings, and the people who are trying to figure out how to afford to leave, if you actually have a conscience, it is an awakening.

Of course, there are psychopaths, who simply do not care, as long as they get the Margaritas made with Don Julio Ultima, and the plane is in the hanger at signature..
 

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I do have one question and not trying be crazy person but please explain income tax is dropped or reduced for earners up to 200k does that lead to permanent tariffs. How can tariffs ever go down if the budget does not seem to be shrinking under this congress proposals
 
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Congress has not seriously considered a budget since Clinton..
 

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I dont ignore it, lifes tough we all went through covid, and problems.
I had to deliver (and I did) so does everyone else.

Sure he lost the house in 2018 I dont recall this coming up prior. Are you saying thats an acceptable excuse for taking the money and not delivering?

I think the guy didnt have it easy, but he brought at least some of that on himself- if you cant keep taxation promises dont make them.
If you cant make bi partisan deals maybe you shouldn't be the president?

I'll raise my prices and send the bill on where I can.
I will lose some international sales because I was already higher to begin with (because I build in America)

I get it, you guys are giving his first term a total flyer on any promises " because circumstances" I hold his feet to the fire then and now.
My point being, he was unable to get things permanently passed in congress due to all his enemy's (known and unknown) and then losing the house in 2018. I think all the executive orders are hilarious, and love seeing the Libturds flip out on how to address so much at one time, but they are short sided and need to be permanently signed into law to have real lasting effects.

All that said, even with Covid, I will take a Trump 1st term presidency and his first 100 days of this one all day long over anything Hillary (the most beautiful women to ever exsist) or what we got with Biden. And what we would have had with Kamala at the helm.
 

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I bet it looks that way from the chaise lounge while Carlos gives you a rubdown, right?

I wonder when was the last time you left your gates..

When you actually see the places that were abandoned, the locked gates and the debris against the fences, the locked empty stores and the crumbling buildings, and the people who are trying to figure out how to afford to leave, if you actually have a conscience, it is an awakening.

Of course, there are psychopaths, who simply do not care, as long as they get the Margaritas made with Don Julio Ultima, and the plane is in the hanger at signature..
Those jobs and plants were leaving due to automation. That was guaranteed. It certainly happened a little faster than it would have, but it was inevitable.

Think of it like how 40 percent of US jobs were in Agriculture in 1900, yet only 1.2 percent are in agriculture today, yet we grow way more than we can consume.

Those, such as yourself, who want more government control and central planing of the economy, should be focused on making sure American's own the technological advantage on manufacturing going forward, and that doesn't happen by attempting to re-open old smokestack manufacturing plants powered by coal furnaces.

Innovate, improvise, overcome, or live in the past, and lose the future.
 

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I do have one question and not trying be crazy person but please explain income tax is dropped or reduced for earners up to 200k does that lead to permanent tariffs. How can tariffs ever go down if the budget does not seem to be shrinking under this congress proposals
You analysis is completely correct.

These contradictory promises are simply marketing slogans.

Most don't think it through like you have. They simply nod and march in unison to the beat of the drum.
 

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So we can't manufacture more because there are no workers who will manufacture anything, but all manufacturing is automated, requiring no workers..
LOL

I'm thinking you might need to understand how automation actually works........
 

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I bet it looks that way from the chaise lounge while Carlos gives you a rubdown, right?

I wonder when was the last time you left your gates..

When you actually see the places that were abandoned, the locked gates and the debris against the fences, the locked empty stores and the crumbling buildings, and the people who are trying to figure out how to afford to leave, if you actually have a conscience, it is an awakening.

Of course, there are psychopaths, who simply do not care, as long as they get the Margaritas made with Don Julio Ultima, and the plane is in the hanger at signature..
Hey. Yore gonna have to go be poor at Signature.
MS530 has his own hangers. 🤣😂🤣
 

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So we can't manufacture more because there are no workers who will manufacture anything, but all manufacturing is automated, requiring no workers..
Yea like MS said . You need to learn how automatic things work . 🤣
 

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You analysis is completely correct.

These contradictory promises are simply marketing slogans.

Most don't think it through like you have. They simply nod and march in unison to the beat of the drum.
BS
I’ve said repeatedly that believing everything trump says is stupid.
You have to decipher it.
Like no taxes on SS or overtime.
I can’t see that ever being done.
Not without replacing that revenue…hey, hmm how can that happen?
Think for a change.
Talk about marching like a fucking stooge, your TDS has you by the short hairs.
 

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So we can't manufacture more because there are no workers who will manufacture anything, but all manufacturing is automated, requiring no workers..
If it weren’t for circular rhetoric, he’d have nothing to say.
 

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My point being, he was unable to get things permanently passed in congress due to all his enemy's (known and unknown) and then losing the house in 2018. I think all the executive orders are hilarious, and love seeing the Libturds flip out on how to address so much at one time, but they are short sided and need to be permanently signed into law to have real lasting effects.

All that said, even with Covid, I will take a Trump 1st term presidency and his first 100 days of this one all day long over anything Hillary (the most beautiful women to ever exsist) or what we got with Biden. And what we would have had with Kamala at the helm.

He definitely had an uphill fight to get anything done.
For sure some of the stuff thrown at him was pure bullshit, but some stuff he made harder on himself.

Thats hilarious on Hillary RODHAM Clinton (cant forget the middle name) - the US at large was done with the Clintons.
The dems were out of there mind to think Biden should even have run, much less win, then when they realized he couldn't their next bad option was Kamala.

My smart Dem friends (I know hard to believe but there are some) knew the party put itself in an unwinnable position in that because of their rabid stance on DEI, they had no choice but to run Kamala - who deep down they knew couldn't win.
 

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He definitely had an uphill fight to get anything done.
For sure some of the stuff thrown at him was pure bullshit, but some stuff he made harder on himself.

Thats hilarious on Hillary RODHAM Clinton (cant forget the middle name) - the US at large was done with the Clintons.
The dems were out of there mind to think Biden should even have run, much less win, then when they realized he couldn't their next bad option was Kamala.

My smart Dem friends (I know hard to believe but there are some) knew the party put itself in an unwinnable position in that because of their rabid stance on DEI, they had no choice but to run Kamala - who deep down they knew couldn't win.
Not to sidetrack too much, but have you ever got any indication from these smart Dems friends exactly why they are so ate up with DEI, LBGQT, and basically the entire woke agenda?
Serious question.
Why is this the hill they want to die on?
No one I know ever really cared about making any of that their business.
What is it with the Dems that makes them so rabid about that shit?
My moms roommate for decades was a cross dressing 300 pound half Japanese sumo guy.
He worked his whole life, was a pretty big guy who you wouldn’t want to fuck with. His weekend friends were all funny little fags, harmless. It was quite a jarring sight seeing him in heels and fishnets let me tell you!
But they never bothered anyone.
Another lifelong family friend, gay as fuck, died a couple years ago. We called him “silly Billy”, lol think he was around 65 yo. I knew him since second grade.
Point is, I’ve been around, and known gays and cross dressers my whole life. Never gave it 2 thoughts as they did their thing and I did my thing. Wives, kids, all the regular stuff.
I’m sure most of the members here have similar experiences. Now a few of my friends and coworkers have gay and les kids and even grandkids lol, we’re all getting old I guess.
Why am I called a homophobe and forced to have to tolerate Dems making this stuff my business?
Most of these woke Dem crusaders dont even have a clue what the fuck they’re talking about with these communities in the first place.
 

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Not to sidetrack too much, but have you ever got any indication from these smart Dems friends exactly why they are so ate up with DEI, LBGQT, and basically the entire woke agenda?
Serious question.
Why is this the hill they want to die on?
No one I know ever really cared about making any of that their business.
What is it with the Dems that makes them so rabid about that shit?
My moms roommate for decades was a cross dressing 300 pound half Japanese sumo guy.
He worked his whole life, was a pretty big guy who you wouldn’t want to fuck with. His weekend friends were all funny little fags, harmless. It was quite a jarring sight seeing him in heels and fishnets let me tell you!
But they never bothered anyone.
Another lifelong family friend, gay as fuck, died a couple years ago. We called him “silly Billy”, lol think he was around 65 yo. I knew him since second grade.
Point is, I’ve been around, and known gays and cross dressers my whole life. Never gave it 2 thoughts as they did their thing and I did my thing. Wives, kids, all the regular stuff.
I’m sure most of the members here have similar experiences. Now a few of my friends and coworkers have gay and les kids and even grandkids lol, we’re all getting old I guess.
Why am I called a homophobe and forced to have to tolerate Dems making this stuff my business?
Most of these woke Dem crusaders dont even have a clue what the fuck they’re talking about with these communities in the first place.

My smart democrat friends are really Eisenhower Republicans.

I certainly don't spend a lot of time talking to them about it, but there seem to be a few nexus point - the smart ones say their group ran too far to the left with the whole thing. They kow tow to get votes and then it runs away from them. Some of them have gay kids and just get too caught up in it to be reasonable.

After working in the entertainment bus for 35 years I stopped giving a shit who people fuck 5 years into the thing and just hang with people i like being around I'm not gonna fuck em so I dont care what their orientation is.
The gay guys I know are all fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
I never had any problem with the gay community, or employees myself.

There is always some douchbag calling someone names without knowing them so I blow all that shit off.
Some guys here are homophobes, I never got the sense you were.
There always radical examples of LGBTQ events that set people off and I totally understand that.
 
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I was going to ask someone what hell is MS530?

Here's where the indexes are for the year.


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I’ve said repeatedly that believing everything trump says is stupid.
You have to decipher it.
Like no taxes on SS or overtime.
I can’t see that ever being done.
Not without replacing that revenue…hey, hmm how can that happen?
Think for a change.
Talk about marching like a fucking stooge, your TDS has you by the short hairs.

I really do wish Trump would quit spouting that shit. I had 3 guys call me today pissed off and wanting me to talk to payroll because they had taxes taken out of their overtime this pay period. I just laugh at their "well trump said"!! Now they don't want to work overtime even though its the same as its always been! FFS sometimes he(Trump) just needs to keep his mouth shut.
 

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My smart democrat friends are really Eisenhower Republicans.

I certainly don't spend a lot of time talking to them about it, but there seem to be a few nexus point - the smart ones say their group ran too far to the left with the whole thing. They kow tow to get votes and then it runs away from them. Some of them have gay kids and just get too caught up in it to be reasonable.

After working in the entertainment bus for 35 years I stopped giving a shit who people fuck 5 years into the thing and just hang with people i like being around I'm not gonna fuck em so I dont care what their orientation is.
The gay guys I know are all fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
I never had any problem with the gay community, or employees myself.

There is always some douchbag calling someone names without knowing them so I blow all that shit off.
Some guys here are homophobes, I never got the sense you were.
There always radical examples of LGBTQ events that set people off and I totally understand that.

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😆
 

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Pretty funny Reg, whats the sheriffs badge thing about?

Did Barry have or supposedly have a fling a boy in blue?

It's implying he'd like to go to the big house full of bad men.

That's why I always liked you UD, you can laugh and not take things so serious. 👍

In other news................


China is quietly exempting numerous U.S. imports from its retaliatory tariff on American goods, a sign that the Chinese economy is taking a hit in the trade war with the Trump administration, Bloomberg reported on Friday.

A list circulating among businesses shows that 131 items, including pharmaceuticals and industrial chemicals, are not being slapped by China’s tariff as multiple companies have been able to get the products into China without paying a duty, according to Bloomberg. The unconfirmed list makes up 24% of Chinese imports from the United States, worth around $40 billion.


Hold on, we're gunna break em!!! 😆
 

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Update (1200ET): US equity markets extended gains this morning following a report from The Wall Street Journal that Beijing is considering ways to address the Trump administration’s gripes over China’s role in the fentanyl trade, potentially offering an off-ramp from hostilities to allow for trade talks to start.

So, despite all the legacy media's claims that 'no' talks were under way, WSJ reports that Chinese leader Xi Jinping’s security czar, Wang Xiaohong, in recent days has been inquiring about what the Trump team wants China to do when it comes to fentanyl.

In a visible shift in tone Friday, China’s Commerce Ministry said it was weighing starting talks with the U.S. to halt a trade war while expressing Beijing’s wish for the Trump administration to “show sincerity” to talk. Previously, the ministry had demanded that Washington slash its steep tariffs on China first as a condition for negotiations.

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It's implying he'd like to go to the big house full of bad men.

That's why I always liked you UD, you can laugh and not take things so serious. 👍

In other news................


China is quietly exempting numerous U.S. imports from its retaliatory tariff on American goods, a sign that the Chinese economy is taking a hit in the trade war with the Trump administration, Bloomberg reported on Friday.

A list circulating among businesses shows that 131 items, including pharmaceuticals and industrial chemicals, are not being slapped by China’s tariff as multiple companies have been able to get the products into China without paying a duty, according to Bloomberg. The unconfirmed list makes up 24% of Chinese imports from the United States, worth around $40 billion.


Hold on, we're gunna break em!!! 😆
According to a co worker in China this week, they are subjectively enforcing. Spoke with another co worker who just returned after two weeks in China, he said the same.

Imagine that, the media is not telling the whole story.
 

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Update (1200ET): US equity markets extended gains this morning following a report from The Wall Street Journal that Beijing is considering ways to address the Trump administration’s gripes over China’s role in the fentanyl trade, potentially offering an off-ramp from hostilities to allow for trade talks to start.

So, despite all the legacy media's claims that 'no' talks were under way, WSJ reports that Chinese leader Xi Jinping’s security czar, Wang Xiaohong, in recent days has been inquiring about what the Trump team wants China to do when it comes to fentanyl.

In a visible shift in tone Friday, China’s Commerce Ministry said it was weighing starting talks with the U.S. to halt a trade war while expressing Beijing’s wish for the Trump administration to “show sincerity” to talk. Previously, the ministry had demanded that Washington slash its steep tariffs on China first as a condition for negotiations.

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According to a co worker in China this week, they are subjectively enforcing. Spoke with another co worker who just returned after two weeks in China, he said the same.

Imagine that, the media is not telling the whole story.
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According to a co worker in China this week, they are subjectively enforcing. Spoke with another co worker who just returned after two weeks in China, he said the same.

Imagine that, the media is not telling the whole story.

Cheating is part of and rewarded in their culture. It makes one wonder why they were ever welcomed into the WTO in the first place?

We know why. 😆
 

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I’ve said repeatedly that believing everything trump says is stupid.
You have to decipher it.
Like no taxes on SS or overtime.
I can’t see that ever being done.
Not without replacing that revenue…hey, hmm how can that happen?
Think for a change.
Talk about marching like a fucking stooge, your TDS has you by the short hairs.
Still hasn't realized his mo
Ask for the moon and negotiate down
Art of the deal
Raceys been saying it for years

When these trade deals get done hope he gets the credit he deserves ya right...
 

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Well, sounds like a repeat of the initial tariff's. Should this come as a surprise to anyone?
Maybe we should expect another trillion dollar PPP program like under this administration the last time.

Bail out all the small businesses being affected by these higher taxes?
 

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Not really. He doesn't strike me as a super conservative or, honestly, a super patriotic African-American. He's pretty much a numbers guy, looking to make more, to fund space travel.

If he shaves his head and gets a cat, he's a step towards "Dr. Evil" really. People like him or hate him because he's on Trump's side. Honestly, I think he just wants to be on the winning side, and currently, he is.
 

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Maybe we should expect another trillion dollar PPP program like under this administration the last time.

Bail out all the small businesses being affected by these higher taxes?
I think that sounds awesome. I'm going to start a three-tiered small business just so I can be part of it this time.

First tier would be a Libturd Tear Collection service. Plan is to travel around with large pictures of Trump, then have a collection system of sanitary tubing and large tubs to collect the tears.

Second tier would be a Trump Essential Fluid collection service. We'll use the same the large pictures of trump, but the collection would be from his super fans, and the essential fluid could be in the form of automatic masturbation stations. Here's a secret part of the design... the automatic masturbation stations would be lubricated using the libturd tears.

Third tier would then be the sale of the Trump Essential Fluid. Now here we gotta be careful in our marketing. We can't call it Trump anything. So we will call it the Anti-Facist Serum. This special serum will be used to impregnate all the willing Libturds that refuse to have sex with real men, but still want to have babbies.

The absolute best part of my business plan is all the product produced will be from right here in the U.S. of A, avoiding all possible tariff's.

When I get this business rolling, I was thinking maybe we could do a kick-off party in your hanger. We'll invite all the regulars. I might even slip you a little of that PPP money in cash for your efforts. How's that sound? 🤣
 

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I think that sounds awesome. I'm going to start a three-tiered small business just so I can be part of it this time.

First tier would be a Libturd Tear Collection service. Plan is to travel around with large pictures of Trump, then have a collection system of sanitary tubing and large tubs to collect the tears.

Second tier would be a Trump Essential Fluid collection service. We'll use the same the large pictures of trump, but the collection would be from his super fans, and the essential fluid could be in the form of automatic masturbation stations. Here's a secret part of the design... the automatic masturbation stations would be lubricated using the libturd tears.

Third tier would then be the sale of the Trump Essential Fluid. Now here we gotta be careful in our marketing. We can't call it Trump anything. So we will call it the Anti-Facist Serum. This special serum will be used to impregnate all the willing Libturds that refuse to have sex with real men, but still want to have babbies.

The absolute best part of my business plan is all the product produced will be from right here in the U.S. of A, avoiding all possible tariff's.

When I get this business rolling, I was thinking maybe we could do a kick-off party in your hanger. We'll invite all the regulars. I might even slip you a little of that PPP money in cash for your efforts. How's that sound? 🤣
Sounds like a solid business plan for your skill sets.

How much are you offering to rent the hangar? I have rented it out before for events.

Might be able to work out a deal!

You want to send a deposit to hold the date?
 
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Maybe we should expect another trillion dollar PPP program like under this administration the last time.

Bail out all the small businesses being affected by these higher taxes?

Says the clown that never mentions how the big bank money changers got bailed out in 2008!!!! 🤣

Save it lil two face.
 
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