On the Mexico and Canada Tariffs

[was thatguy]

Ah....so you buy your bottom of the barrel parts from autozone, get your news from memes and your technical know how from the "professionals" on youtube.

I've heard enough. You should run for president...you're clearly qualified to make the best decisions.

I don't have a youtube channel or a facebook or a instawhatever....I prefer my clientele to be better than those who play on their phone all day.

Hey! I get the mid range parts!
No, I don’t get technical know how from you tube, I get “how to” from you tube.
How to change window regulator on ‘02 Tahoe was a good one. Of course, one should always check out a couple different videos to get a good all around plan.
How to change trans fluid in Ford explorer was excellent, showed which plugs to pull, and the tricks for accessing the fill tube cleanly. Also when putting my police style push bar on the front of it you tube was a god send for how to remove the front grill assembly.
Correctly replacing a late model headlight in most anything is near impossible without a guided tour.
It also has helped me decide if a chore is more than I want to tackle at home.
So yeah, you tube is awesome.


Not to minimize your expertise, or your business…but come on dude.
My vehicles don’t depend on you.

I’ve worked on my own vehicles since I was 14 years old. Built my first race car at 22 years old. I am capable of rebuilding a fucking brake caliper.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Pretty sure you have attributed my post as it referring to you. It was in response to your post to the Oracle.

You have always seems pretty straight down the middle.

Try to be. Thanks.

Im not super familiar with everyone's group assigned moniker I was gone a long time and dont follow a lot of threads here.

 

[t&y]

Try to be. Thanks.

Im not super familiar with everyone's group assigned moniker I was gone a long time and dont follow a lot of threads here.

Lol... 530RL is like an internet RD Place man of mystery with many names associated with him.

The Oracle is one used frequently. I use 530RL / 2 = 265rl because about half of what he says is entirely made up or taken out of context at a minimum. I'm pretty sure one of us almost completely replaced his moniker with FAGGOT... but I do not condone nor recommend that one... might get you a vacation.

But it is important to understand the native language in these parts. Kind of like the symbols on the knuckles of the poor innocent "Maryland Man" that 256rl defensed so vigorously, which earned him the moniker MS530 as of late.

The list goes on and on...

 

[lbhsbz]

Hey! I get the mid range parts!
No, I don’t get technical know how from you tube, I get “how to” from you tube.
How to change window regulator on ‘02 Tahoe was a good one. Of course, one should always check out a couple different videos to get a good all around plan.
How to change trans fluid in Ford explorer was excellent, showed which plugs to pull, and the tricks for accessing the fill tube cleanly. Also when putting my police style push bar on the front of it you tube was a god send for how to remove the front grill assembly.
Correctly replacing a late model headlight in most anything is near impossible without a guided tour.
It also has helped me decide if a chore is more than I want to tackle at home.
So yeah, you tube is awesome.


Not to minimize your expertise, or your business…but come on dude.
My vehicles don’t depend on you.

I’ve worked on my own vehicles since I was 14 years old. Built my first race car at 22 years old. I am capable of rebuilding a fucking brake caliper.

You should stop buying parts from Autozone…it’s all made in China.

Just do without

Was thatguy :

 

[Smitty7]

You should stop buying parts from Autozone…it’s all made in China.

Just do without

Was thatguy :

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I dunno , kid seems pretty smart to me . Cuts out the middle man .

 

[JBS]

China doesn't pay tariffs, US importers do.

A tariff on "X" country is a bill that the company that imports a product from that country pays - not the country being tariffed.

Why is this so hard for people to understand

 

[17 10 Flat]

I'm not smart with business or tariffs. But isn't part of the point to bring prices up with tariffs, so producing in the USA is a similar cost??? Now more American citizens are employed, more pieces parts are made here. Or am I missing something.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Why is this so hard for people to understand

Seems to be a bunch of reasons.

Because politicians & media deliberately try to confuse people so they align with their agenda.

Communication is constructed in a way so as to purposefully obfuscate who is paying who " Hitting China hard with X% tariff"

Other times a guy simply heard it wrong from an otherwise trusted source.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I'm not smart with business or tariffs. But isn't part of the point to bring prices up with tariffs, so producing in the USA is a similar cost??? Now more American citizens are employed, more pieces parts are made here. Or am I missing something.

Your general understanding is correct. If thats what happened no one would be bitching.

Until the production actually comes back so as to provide local alternatives - it's just another tax.

To add insult to this injury, since 2018 when they feds starting taking the money there is no demonstrable plan anyone can articulate to bring it back - so it's just a tax with no benefit to anyone but the governments pocket book.

 

[was thatguy]

Why is this so hard for people to understand

Let me preface this by saying this is in no way directed at you. I quoted you because I think it’s inaccurate to assume people don’t really get who absorbs added costs.

I understand it just fine.
What seems hard for some to understand is that I (and others) are willing to try this to break the status quo of trade imbalance.
I personally have no illusions of some massive return of manufacturing to the states in the least.

In addition, all this screaming about “omg it’s a tax! You’re paying more tax!” does not mean I’m a liberal tax hike supporter.
It makes for great hyperbole to judge the average citizen as an ignorant Trump sycophant, and to somehow blame joe consumer, but transferring one’s frustration about difficult business decisions onto others is not a sound strategy.

UD is big time. He’s in a league I can barely fathom. He may not remember, but years ago we talked about an oil investment, he wanted my opinion on it. Myself and others actually did invest as well, although we did not keep that asset.
So when he talks I listen.

 

[was thatguy]

You should stop buying parts from Autozone…it’s all made in China.

Just do without

Was thatguy :

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[Skinny Tire AH]

It's more complicated to wax a bike chain.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

I've seen/had the pistons referb'd in a few different ways but JB Weld was not one of them but I don't doubt it would work temporarily.

The ones i had done were spray welded, machined/ground and hard chromed. I have also seen them nicasiled, seen them hard anodized, but all after being welded and machined.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I've seen/had the pistons referb'd in a few different ways but JB Weld was not one of them but I don't doubt it would work temporarily.

The ones i had done were spray welded, machined and hard chromed. I have also seen them nicasiled, seen them hard anodized, but all after being welded and machined.

This may sound gay...
Have you seen the shaft repair epoxy? Found that while trying to repair some obsolete stuff. Owner needed it now, not in the weeks it would take to get from Europe.
Stuff go creative...a little MacGyver, a little Cuban, a lathe, tig and a hammer or two.

 

[lbhsbz]

It's more complicated to wax a bike chain.

Easy peasy...right?

That was a clencher…

Working on a brake caliper for a 1964 Maserati 5000GT…one might say it’s a bit rare. One of the pins was fucked up that held the parking brake arm on the caliper…had to be drilled out. I’m pretty sure it was about 1/2 sheered, but nothing made any sense while I was trying to extract it...

www.riverdavesplace.com

 

[lbhsbz]

I've seen/had the pistons referb'd in a few different ways but JB Weld was not one of them but I don't doubt it would work temporarily.

The ones i had done were spray welded, machined/ground and hard chromed. I have also seen them nicasiled, seen them hard anodized, but all after being welded and machined.

Cardone uses JB weld lol...they don't last long. They also centerless grind structurally fatigued phenolic pistons to straighten them out and re-use them...which also don't last long. I sleeve or replace.

Nobody nicasiles caliper pistons that I'm aware of. Most exotic surface treatement I've seen is nitriding, but it's sort of a novelty and not of any real benefit. Even hard anodizing isn't necessary on aluminum pistons, standard Type II is fine.

 

[regor]

Your general understanding is correct. If thats what happened no one would be bitching.

Until the production actually comes back so as to provide local alternatives - it's just another tax.

To add insult to this injury, since 2018 when they feds starting taking the money there is no demonstrable plan anyone can articulate to bring it back - so it's just a tax with no benefit to anyone but the governments pocket book.

We don’t care who pays it, we care that it’s a pain in the ass………and growing.

FUCK…….THE……GLOBALHOMOS.

 

[regor]

 

[Uncle Dave]

We don’t care who pays it, we care that it’s a pain in the ass………and growing.


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FUCK…….THE……GLOBALHOMOS.

Thats one study. here are some others. I dont know who Jayson Lalljee is?

I keep hearing about a big tax break, and seeing the same meme, I dont recall paying less taxes, but Id love for that part to come true.

Of course American export market success is a completely different subject not covered by any income tax policy.

Would fucking globalhomos not make us partly gay, equally gay?, or even possibly gayer?

 

[Angler]

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Hey Canada, becoming the 51st State is off the table. We'll just take the parts we want. eeeeeyyyyy

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Cardone uses JB weld lol...they don't last long. They also centerless grind structurally fatigued phenolic pistons to straighten them out and re-use them...which also don't last long. I sleeve or replace.

Nobody nicasiles caliper pistons that I'm aware of. Most exotic surface treatement I've seen is nitriding, but it's sort of a novelty and not of any real benefit. Even hard anodizing isn't necessary on aluminum pistons, standard Type II is fine.

Millennium Technologies did nicasil a set for me once for a vintage motorcycle. But I had used them for years on atv, motorcycle and other cyls and i delt directly with the owner most of the time. US CHROME hard chromed a set for me as well. They would not spray weld and grind so I had that done locally before I shipped them to get coated.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

This may sound gay...
Have you seen the shaft repair epoxy? Found that while trying to repair some obsolete stuff. Owner needed it now, not in the weeks it would take to get from Europe.
Stuff go creative...a little MacGyver, a little Cuban, a lathe, tig and a hammer or two.

Maybe if I heard the name or brand as I've played with alot of epoxy. Back in the day we had a saying in the sand drags, "its not fast unless it has epoxy". Cases, cylinders, ect. JB Weld, marine tech, Devcon, ect..

 

[regor]

Thats one study. here are some others. I dont know who Jayson Lalljee is?

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I keep hearing about a big tax break, and seeing the same meme, I dont recall paying less taxes, but Id love for that part to come true.

Of course American export market success is a completely different subject not covered by any income tax policy.

Would fucking globalhomos not make us partly gay, equally gay?, or even possibly gayer?

Yore bracket gets NOTHING…….except a hike.

Homos turn over homos. They’re the party of smoking poles….

 

[wallnutz]

Russia Russia Russia...

Hey smart guy, didn't you link a thread about J6? Did you forget to add the posts in there where I talk about any who actually assaulted Law Enforcement should be locked up?

How convenient.

Russia Russia Russia...

That's the brush he paints us with.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Yore bracket gets NOTHING…….except a hike.

Homos turn over homos. They’re the party of smoking poles….

Certainly seems that way.

The SALT cap fucked me pretty good, and the national eviction moratorium made for some very tense conversations with my tenant.

I'm still not at all convinced it was legal for federal or state government to allow my tenant not to pay rent while holding me reponsible to pay my mortgage and property taxes.

 

[Uncle Dave]

UD is big time. He’s in a league I can barely fathom. He may not remember, but years ago we talked about an oil investment, he wanted my opinion on it. Myself and others actually did invest as well, although we did not keep that asset.
So when he talks I listen.

The amount of money and people I manage is fairly large but I'm just a working schmuck like everyone else.

I always enjoy our chats.

I think I remember that chat, I invested an offset well and did OK with it.

The nexus for that investment was my friends from Texas who asked me one day " Do you have an oil well" ?
I replied "no I do not" to which their reply was " get one".

 

[was thatguy]

The amount of money and people I manage is fairly large but I'm just a working schmuck like everyone else.

I always enjoy our chats.

I think I remember that chat, I invested an offset well and did OK with it.

The nexus for that investment was my friends from Texas who asked me one day " Do you have an oil well" ?
I replied "no I do not" to which their reply was " get one".

Lol
Yeah but did they tell you that in Texas they have them in their back yards?!

 

[t&y]

It's more complicated to wax a bike chain.

LOL..... Prior to my latest adventures with newer bikes and maintenance I would have thought you were crazy. But reality is that it is actually probably more complicated properly maintaining a bike chain.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

LOL..... Prior to my latest adventures with newer bikes and maintenance I would have thought you were crazy. But reality is that it is actually probably more complicated properly maintaining a bike chain.

Tuning my newest Canyon road bike, it has the Sram, Red AXS double-tap. It's all electronic shifting and once the initial tune goes out, re-tuning it is a bitch. I love the electronic shifting, but cable adjustments were far easier. Long rides, shifting with fatigued hands is a thing of the past.

 

[was thatguy]

Maybe if I heard the name or brand as I've played with alot of epoxy. Back in the day we had a saying in the sand drags, "its not fast unless it has epoxy". Cases, cylinders, ect. JB Weld, marine tech, Devcon, ect..

Many years ago we were testing Belzona metal repair compound.
We went so far as to build up toasted crank journals and grind back to spec.
That was asking a lot from it.
It did come in very handy on things like pinned crack repairs on cyl heads. Like BPG, sometimes I’d get old Jag or other exotic heads that simply were not replaceable, so we’d have to repair them as creatively as we could.
Belzona was like JB weld on steroids. But very expensive.

 

[lbhsbz]

Yeah, I'm white. I don't "repair" critical hydraulic parts with epoxy.

 

[was thatguy]

Yeah, I'm white. I don't "repair" critical hydraulic parts with epoxy.

Nor would I.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

You should stop buying parts from Autozone…it’s all made in China.

Fake News.

Random first search.

Warn Bumper 107638

Shop for Warn Bumper 107638 with confidence at AutoZone.com. Parts are just part of what we do. Get yours online today and pick up in store.

www.autozone.com

The WARN Bumper 107638 is manufactured in the USA. Specifically, WARN Industries, the manufacturer, is located in Clackamas, Oregon. Their products are designed, tested, and manufactured in the United States. They have a long history of manufacturing in the Pacific Northwest, with a strong emphasis on quality and American manufacturing standards


AutoZone is a retail outlet, that supply's multiple versions of most every part. You can practically get anything from them, they don't source from a single supplier, let alone country. In many cases, Surprisingly I've found they have competitive pricing on items I had no idea they would even sell.

Yes 100% they sell cheap re manufactured parts, but that is not all they sell and it is not all made in China.
Yes, the counter help is hit and miss.

In 1989 I worked at Chief Auto Parts , so I am a bit biased.

 

[lbhsbz]

Fake News.

Random first search.

Warn Bumper 107638

Shop for Warn Bumper 107638 with confidence at AutoZone.com. Parts are just part of what we do. Get yours online today and pick up in store.

www.autozone.com

The WARN Bumper 107638 is manufactured in the USA. Specifically, WARN Industries, the manufacturer, is located in Clackamas, Oregon. Their products are designed, tested, and manufactured in the United States. They have a long history of manufacturing in the Pacific Northwest, with a strong emphasis on quality and American manufacturing standards


AutoZone is a retail outlet, that supply's multiple versions of most every part. You can practically get anything from them, they don't source from a single supplier, let alone country. In many cases, Surprisingly I've found they have competitive pricing on items I had no idea they would even sell.

Yes 100% they sell cheap re manufactured parts, but that is not all they sell and it is not all made in China.
Yes, the counter help is hit and miss.

In 1989 I worked at Chief Auto Parts , so I am a bit biased.

OK...a fucking WARN bumper is not what was being discussed....but you know that....you're just being difficult.

Walk into a Autozone without calling first and walk out with that bumper. If you can find an autozone within 40 miles of you that stocks that bumper. I'll buy it for you.

I'm talking about parts behind the counter. Water pumps, brake hoses, ball joints, Dorman parts and 90% of the shit in a DURALAST box.

1989 was a long time ago...things have changed.

The company I used to work for supplied AZ....so I'm very familiar with their purchasing habits.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Yeah, I'm white. I don't "repair" critical hydraulic parts with epoxy.

Yep, us halfbreeds are notorious for our repair work. You know, when I was setting the preload on the Tremec a few minutes ago, I used my best tape measure. It was tight, had to turn the input splines with a pipe wrench, but it should loosen up in a mile or two

 

[Sportin' Wood]

OK...a fucking WARN bumper is not what was being discussed....but you know that....you're just being difficult.

Walk into a Autozone without calling first and walk out with that bumper. If you can find an autozone within 40 miles of you that stocks that bumper. I'll buy it for you.

I'm talking about parts behind the counter. Water pumps, brake hoses, ball joints, Dorman parts and 90% of the shit in a DURALAST box.

1989 was a long time ago...things have changed.

The company I used to work for supplied AZ....so I'm very familiar with their purchasing habits.

Now there are rules placed to qualify your statement?


The local Autozone does not stock anything for my vehicles, they come from the nearest hub, next day. Last three purchases this month:
Oil Pan Made in Singapore I think it may have been Doorman actually. No tariff price increase BTW
Oil Pan Gasket Made in USA
Timing Chain gasket set Made in USA (Crank pulley seal Made in Mexico)

Bottom Line, you are making assumptions. Not all China. They are a retailer, maybe the house brand is China.

I knew they sold Warn so I just picked a random item. I knew that because they had the best price on Warn Hubs I needed for a project. Took a day to get them, faster than Quadratech and for significantly less money and no shipping fees which is the biggest inflationary pressure we have to manage.

 

[was thatguy]

Now there are rules placed to qualify your statement?

He does that a lot.

I was going to post a screenshot of the 42 dozen options for brake parts fitting my vehicles on Roc Auto, but it’s just to early in the day to hit him with that.

 

[lbhsbz]

He does that a lot.

I was going to post a screenshot of the 42 dozen options for brake parts fitting my vehicles on Roc Auto, but it’s just to early in the day to hit him with that.

I simply found it odd that one who claims to go so far out of his way to avoid cheap chinese stuff shops at the harbor freight of auto parts, rather than the dealer....which while there are no guarantees, your chances of getting Chinese parts are considerably lower, and your chances of getting better quality are considerably higher.

Rock Auto....another company that caters to cheap bottom feeders.

Which is it? Are you on a mission to pay the highest price for the best quality? or are you on a mission to seek out the lowest prices from retailers that do a lot of volume and consistently drill their suppliers down to minimal profits so they have to go find cheaper lower quality stuff to keep the business?

You can't have it both ways.

 

[was thatguy]

Doing my brakes isn’t really a mission.

 

[lbhsbz]

Doing my brakes isn’t really a mission.

You brought up Autozone and Rock Auto. Apply it what whatever you'd like. Where did I say "brakes"?

point being, if you're a guy that shops for the lowest price, you're part of this "problem", as some people refer to it, that has been driving production to cheaper places....like China. I'm also included in this group.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I tend to work for two types of people. Those who need a problem fixed, and those who need a problem fixed yesterday. The ones with a problem on normal time frames, they want decent parts, but really don't care about the source. It's all the same to them really. The ones that can't spare the downtime, they don't care the cost of the part, where it comes from or it's expected lifetime. They need it now. The average customer, probably for any service, just wants you to fix their problem. Either time or knowledge prevents them from doing it themselves.

There is nothing most of us do that another human cannot. Sure, athletes, hitmen and prostitutes, but most other things just take time to learn or amass equipment. A human being is not a one trick pony.

 

[530RL]

You brought up Autozone and Rock Auto. Apply it what whatever you'd like. Where did I say "brakes"?

point being, if you're a guy that shops for the lowest price, you're part of this "problem", as some people refer to it, that has been driving production to cheaper places....like China. I'm also included in this group.

This is like the thread on the magic box or higher wages or prosecuting criminals.

Other people should pay up, other people should only buy American, other people shouldn’t commit crimes, but that solely applies to the other guy.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of simple minds.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I simply found it odd that one who claims to go so far out of his way to avoid cheap chinese stuff shops at the harbor freight of auto parts, rather than the dealer....which while there are no guarantees, your chances of getting Chinese parts are considerably lower, and your chances of getting better quality are considerably higher.

Rock Auto....another company that caters to cheap bottom feeders.

Which is it? Are you on a mission to pay the highest price for the best quality? or are you on a mission to seek out the lowest prices from retailers that do a lot of volume and consistently drill their suppliers down to minimal profits so they have to go find cheaper lower quality stuff to keep the business?

You can't have it both ways.

The dealer no longer stocks parts for my vehicles of which the newest is almost 30 year old (1996) and the oldest more than 50 (1972). I spend a lot of time researching for parts as a result. FWIW I've never been a fan of dealers with exception to Johnson's Jeep in Riverside, Ca which is long gone. I don't love Autozone, I just found your statement to be fake news.

My vehicles are already obsolete, so Tariff policy has little impact.

Your right, it sucks that corporations have monopolized the industry doing exactly what you suggest. We just can't put the Genie back in the bottle, but I still like tariffs. Big Beautiful Crazy High Priced Soul Crushing Tariffs. The more pain the better. I readily admit I'm in the minority.

Tariffs still have had absolutely no negative impact on my personal life yet. Zip Nada None. Literately nothing I can think of.

 

[was thatguy]

Where do we land on Orielly Auto parts??

 

[lbhsbz]

This is like the thread on the magic box or higher wages or prosecuting criminals.

Other people should pay up, other people should only buy American, other people shouldn’t commit crimes, but that solely applies to the other guy.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of simple minds.

That's my favorite ones.....buncha guys with boats that cost in the 6 digits too cheap to buy a TV show

 

[lbhsbz]

Where do we land on Orielly Auto parts??

Autozone but green

 

[was thatguy]

That's my favorite ones.....buncha guys with boats that cost in the 6 digits too cheap to buy a TV show

Lol
I added it up a couple years ago, in the 24 years I had DTV I paid a minimum of $64K

Those who continue to pay providers like DTV and Dish are the problem with blocking the advancement of technology utilization.
Just like the buggy whip, and just like your current predicament, content providers will either figure out a new way to monetize their product in the modern market, or they will go under.
DTV produces nothing. They get paid on both ends of the spectrum.
We are the market. We are the ones who see the tv ads.

I found it curious that when I canceled my service after 24 years, they made me offers for almost a year for a much better package at 1/4 of the monthly price. How is that possible?

All these boxes are available at walmart, amazon etc.
When Walmart puts it on the shelf that’s a pretty clear sign that it’s not a fad.

Even Segwaying into a streaming service is behind the times.

 

[lbhsbz]

Lol
I added it up a couple years ago, in the 24 years I had DTV I paid a minimum of $64K

Those who continue to pay providers like DTV and Dish are the problem with blocking the advancement of technology utilization.
Just like the buggy whip, and just like your current predicament, content providers will either figure out a new way to monetize their product in the modern market, or they will go under.
DTV produces nothing. They get paid on both ends of the spectrum.
We are the market. We are the ones who see the tv ads.

I found it curious that when I canceled my service after 24 years, they made me offers for almost a year for a much better package at 1/4 of the monthly price. How is that possible?

All these boxes are available at walmart, amazon etc.
When Walmart puts it on the shelf that’s a pretty clear sign that it’s not a fad.

Even Segwaying into a streaming service is behind the times.

Walmart sells devices that allow people to steal TV? Got a link? If everyone did that...where would the money come from to pay for the production and distribution?

 

[was thatguy]

Walmart sells devices that allow people to steal TV? Got a link? If everyone did that...where would the money come from to pay for the production and distribution?

Lol
Yes, Walmart sells just about every box there is.
Just Google superstream and you’ll see.
I’d post the link but it defaults to my Walmart log in page, and I’m not keen on posting that info.

I’m not sure you’re familiar with the product stream concerning tv shows.
I know I sure wasn’t when I initially condemned box users.
Don’t know how old you are, but I remember the first 20 years of my life when tv was “free”.
You paid for the tv itself, and maybe an antenna, and you watched TV. Who paid for the production then? Same as who pays for it today…advertisers.
That’s why every streaming site and web app offer ad free service for a monthly fee.
Buying a box today is not dissimilar to buying a tv. Any new smart tv offers a wide range of free viewing options…who pays for those?
When you pay DTV, you aren’t paying for the creation of content. You’re paying for DTV to bundle it all up and ship it to your home.
The content is already paid for. This is evidenced when DTV gets in fights with this or that channel and it’s gone for a while.
And the truth is that we should be getting paid for watching since we are the advertisers targets.
But instead, we’ve been conditioned to think that we need to pay for the privilege of being solicited.

 

[530RL]

Lol
Yes, Walmart sells just about every box there is.
Just Google superstream and you’ll see.
I’d post the link but it defaults to my Walmart log in page, and I’m not keen on posting that info.

I’m not sure you’re familiar with the product stream concerning tv shows.
I know I sure wasn’t when I initially condemned box users.
Don’t know how old you are, but I remember the first 20 years of my life when tv was “free”.
You paid for the tv itself, and maybe an antenna, and you watched TV. Who paid for the production then? Same as who pays for it today…advertisers.
That’s why every streaming site and web app offer ad free service for a monthly fee.
Buying a box today is not dissimilar to buying a tv. Any new smart tv offers a wide range of free viewing options…who pays for those?
When you pay DTV, you aren’t paying for the creation of content. You’re paying for DTV to bundle it all up and ship it to your home.
The content is already paid for. This is evidenced when DTV gets in fights with this or that channel and it’s gone for a while.
And the truth is that we should be getting paid for watching since we are the advertisers targets.
But instead, we’ve been conditioned to think that we need to pay for the privilege of being solicited.

Directv and others pay the content creators by subscriber. When people access that content without paying for it, they are stealing it under federal and state law. That is why they have fights, they don’t want an increase in costs that either affect their margins or require increases in their customers fees.

You can not buy a device at Walmart that allows one to illegally acquire content. They are a deep pocket and would be sued.

They do sell boxes as well as tv’s that contain software and hardware to access content on line legally.

However, unlike a magic box, their purpose and intent is not to help users steal content, but to access content more easily and legally.

With respect to super stream and other boxes, it does not on its own provide for the illegal use of content. You can however acquire third party applications to steal content. However, under the law, just as a knife manufacturer isn’t liable if their product is used to stab someone, superstream isn’t liable if someone uses their product to illegally steal and break the law.

Stealing content is just that, stealing. And no rationalizing will change that fact. Although many are simply fine with stealing.