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sandshark1 said:
I was told all the axles are different sizes, but I will need to confirm. I would like to be able to only have to carry 1 rear axle as a back up. Can Am X3 had two different front axles before they went to the smart lock from diff.
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Per the guys at Super ATV at the Sand Show the only difference in the rear is the right or left hand thread for the axle nut. Super ATV sells them with both left & right thread, so it matches stock, but the guys I was talking to said if you want Right hand thread for both sides, just order two Driver rear axles.

I’d call them to confirm, but I spoke to a few guys at the booth. Erik @SuperATV can you please confirm the only difference in the rear H2 axle is the axle nut thread direction.
 
boatnam2 said:
I'm on the fence about getting one, main thing being i have no where to keep it.
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If it would have fit in my toy hauler, I probably would have snagged one.

I'm glad I didn't. I think the Maverick R X RC (or what ever the fuck it is) would be a better fit for me anyway.
 
rivermobster said:
If it would have fit in my toy hauler, I probably would have snagged one.

I'm glad I didn't. I think the Maverick R X RC (or what ever the fuck it is) would be a better fit for me anyway.
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I was thinking about the Pro R ultimate 2 seat, seen a new 2025 for sale if i could get a deal on it.
 
rivermobster said:
If it would have fit in my toy hauler, I probably would have snagged one.

I'm glad I didn't. I think the Maverick R X RC (or what ever the fuck it is) would be a better fit for me anyway.
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I am not a fan of the Can Am seat position, when it comes to Rock Crawling. Its like sitting in 911 or a Vette, and you CAN NOT see the obstacles in front of your path. Unless you un buckle, pull up on the steering wheel, and poke your head out the side…

As far as I am concerned, the Can Am is the worst for this in all the SXS’s.
RZR seat angle is much better.
Kawi probably has the best seat seat angle/ visibility.

This is coming from someone who has done Rubicon, Moab, Sand Hollow and many other spots.

If you planning to haul ass Baja style… Can Ams are suited for that.
 
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boatnam2 said:
I was thinking about the Pro R ultimate 2 seat, seen a new 2025 for sale if i could get a deal on it.
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That constant drone from a belt powered car drives me nuts. It's beyond annoying to me.

In the automotive world, the dual clutch transmissions work great.

The Mav R has been around for a few years now. I feel like the major bugs are worked out. Honda won the baja with theirs. Hard to argue with success. 👍🏼
 
rivermobster said:
That constant drone from a belt powered car drives me nuts. It's beyond annoying to me.

In the automotive world, the dual clutch transmissions work great.

The Mav R has been around for a few years now. I feel like the major bugs are worked out. Honda won the baja with theirs. Hard to argue with success. 👍🏼
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Hard to argue will success…
Run math on who wins the majority of the time, and who places in the top 10…

If racing success is your point, you wont buy the Can Am.

There are reasons why 70-80 % use RZR over the Can Am.
 
Xring01 said:
Hard to argue will success…
Run math on who wins the majority of the time, and who places in the top 10…

If racing success is your point, you wont buy the Can Am.

There are reasons why 70-80 % use RZR over the Can Am.
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Good points.

But the DTC hasn't been around too many years and I'm definitely not going to be racing! 😂

I think for solid recreational use, it will be just fine for me. That massive wheel travel and an extended warranty should work well. 👍🏼
 
GreenEnergy28 said:
The crowd hasn't changed, the accessibility to share these events through social media has. Don't you remember the Comp Hill days? Chicks being rapped, holes being dug and filled with gas so when someone got stuck, dick heads would light it, and all the shit getting stolen...? Glamis has never been for the weak of heart. This is nothing new.
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Exactly....nothing has change with attitude. Trikes, quads low budge VW rails have been replaced with SXS is the only change since 2000
 
Xring01 said:
I am not a fan of the Can Am seat position, when it comes to Rock Crawling. Its like sitting in 911 or a Vette, and you CAN NOT see the obstacles in front of your path. Unless you un buckle, pull up on the steering wheel, and poke your head out the side…

As far as I am concerned, the Can Am is the worst for this in all the SXS’s.
RZR seat angle is much better.
Kawi probably has the best seat seat angle/ visibility.

This is coming from someone who has done Rubicon, Moab, Sand Hollow and many other spots.

If you planning to haul ass Baja style… Can Ams are suited for that.
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You can change seat heights, angle, move up, move back.
The new mav R has front and rear cameras.
I leave the front cam on the 10 inch screen in the dirt. The rear cam on the street.

Only complaint is quality could be better for clarity
 
NIKAL said:
Per the guys at Super ATV at the Sand Show the only difference in the rear is the right or left hand thread for the axle nut. Super ATV sells them with both left & right thread, so it matches stock, but the guys I was talking to said if you want Right hand thread for both sides, just order two Driver rear axles.

I’d call them to confirm, but I spoke to a few guys at the booth. Erik @SuperATV can you please confirm the only difference in the rear H2 axle is the axle nut thread direction.
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Yes, reverse threaded side to side.

The fronts are different lengths, but only by a couple mm's between the fully extended and fully compressed measurements. I'm sure you can use them side to side in a pinch.

I'll do some homework and check out the CV prints, but I'm pretty sure the length difference is pretty small...almost negligible.
 
SuperATV said:
Yes, reverse threaded side to side.

The fronts are different lengths, but only by a couple mm's between the fully extended and fully compressed measurements. I'm sure you can use them side to side in a pinch.

I'll do some homework and check out the CV prints, but I'm pretty sure the length difference is pretty small...almost negligible.
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thanks for confirming. Nice to know I only need to order one rear axle.
 
MonkeyButt70 said:
Made it to Secrets, what an amazing 7 days and truly an ass kicker. I would highly recommend this adventure, would I do it again absolutely not but worth every mile, every rock, every obstacle and all the stories. I’m going to start a separate thread with a write up and a million pictures for those interested.
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Monkey Butt where the thread about your trip. I’m looking forward to it.
 
NIKAL said:
Monkey Butt where the thread about your trip. I’m looking forward to it.
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Just getting home this evening. I’m going to download all the pics and try to remember all the details. I will post it this week.

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sandshark1 said:
thanks for confirming. Nice to know I only need to order one rear axle.
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The rear-right will thread on normally on the RL. Not sure if I'd run it in the KOH like that (since the parts breakdowns aren't exact on the CV's), but it'll install and run just fine if you need it.
 
Thinking this could be an awesome UTV to do a Baja play trip. I think the aftermarket is going to go crazy with this like they did with the Polaris Xpedition. But the performance is already there with the X10.

This video is from today at the EIMCA show in Italy. It’s like SEMA but mostly for the global motorcycle industry.
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I rode in my neighbors new CF Moto 4 seater utility type SXS today and was less than impressed with the power and climbing ability. It was about or less than what an old Kawasaki Mule had. My old Rhino climbed hills the CF couldn’t.
 
Without scrolling this thread any input on the new mean green kawi's. Once the clutch issues are fixed any input?
 
PaPaG said:
Without scrolling this thread any input on the new mean green kawi's. Once the clutch issues are fixed any input?
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Kawi had a recall and replaced the primary clutch. I own a H2 and had the recall done recently. I added an aftermarket secondary to my ride as I do not feel the secondary clutch from Kawi is that great. I will be taking my car out to test the new primary and secondary I added.

I had 800 miles on my H2 before I took it for the recall. Most of those miles were in Glamis and about 80 miles was out in Barstow. I have owned several UTVs over the years and driven the Pro R and Mav R. The H2 is the most fun UTV I have driven. The 4 seater does not feel like you are driving a 4 seater. It is a playful car and nimble. Stock suspension with the live value I believe is really really good. The car really shined in Barstow as it soaked up everything. Everyone that has ridden in my car are blown away with how well it does. One of my passengers was a co-driver for a Speed UTV that was racing and he wanted to race my car over the Speed UTV.

With the KWI clutch weights in the primary the car really wakes up and power delivery is more responsive.
 
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PaPaG said:
Without scrolling this thread any input on the new mean green kawi's. Once the clutch issues are fixed any input?
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I got to drive the 5 seater over the weekend in the hills behind my house and I was blown away. I suspect all of the top of the line $50k+ SxS might have the same level of performance, but the shocks, power, power delivery & throttle control left me seriously impressed. The suspension performance was absolutely incredible. 3 modes, adjustable on the steering wheel with the push of a button. I think they are the best looking 4 seater and if I had the disposable income to take the depreciation hit on a new one, I'd buy a Kawi. Even the seats were impressive. I'd replace the belts, but no reason to replace the factory seats.
 
evantwheeler said:
I got to drive the 5 seater over the weekend in the hills behind my house and I was blown away. I suspect all of the top of the line $50k+ SxS might have the same level of performance, but the shocks, power, power delivery & throttle control left me seriously impressed. The suspension performance was absolutely incredible. 3 modes, adjustable on the steering wheel with the push of a button. I think they are the best looking 4 seater and if I had the disposable income to take the depreciation hit on a new one, I'd buy a Kawi. Even the seats were impressive. I'd replace the belts, but no reason to replace the factory seats.
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What was your opinion on the super charger chirping and growling all the time?
 
NIKAL said:
What was your opinion on the super charger chirping and growling all the time?
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I was probably too geeked on everything else to notice. Cant say that I recall any odd noises that caught my attention. I climbed some pretty steep loose rocky hills and was blown away with the throttle control. The power was impressive as well, but I only did a couple 4wd pulls on asphalt. It was like riding on a cloud over 1-2’ rain ruts, no harshness or jarring, super plush and smooth at any speed. I believe it was on the stock carnivores, which are 33”? It felt like it would be a very fun car in any terrain. Low gear seemed VERY low, which makes sense as it seems they market the KRX as being more for the rocks/crawling than other brands? I dont follow the market close, really just read about them all here on RDP.

My last SXS was a XP1K, so this thing was obviously wildly impressive in comparison to that car. That said, I have a retired U4 4800 car and a decent sand car for offroad play toys now, and this thing blew me away knowing what both of those cars will do. If i could stomach the $50k and subsequent depreciation for a tub of plastic, I’d rather own one of these. Once i sell the sand car, a used one in a couple years is definitely something I will consider.
 
Picked it up ! So much fun, just taking it easy to break it in and the GPS isnt working so they ordered me a new ride command unit , everything else is working with the unit . I love the front and rear cameras . The ride is unbeleavable all and all I think I made a right choice for our first sxs .


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rush1 said:
Picked it up ! So much fun, just taking it easy to break it in and the GPS isnt working so they ordered me a new ride command unit , everything else is working with the unit . I love the front and rear cameras . The ride is unbeleavable all and all I think I made a right choice for our first sxs .


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Very cool! Great choice. Drive it for awhile then get the shocks revalve and springs and you will be shocked how much better the car gets. Crazy how good these cars are now.
 
The dust just got to be too much for my wife when we owned the Can Am. Likewise, dirt bike ridding doesn’t do it for me anymore. Too old to get hurt.

Sometime ago we bought a new Kawi Ridge HVAC Crew Limited. We then had the complete Afternarket Assassin kit (exhaust, tune, belt, clutch) installed as well as a complete sound deadening system that included carpet over it as well as acoustic panels between the roof and ceiling panel.

HCR recently released their wide body long travel kit. I understand that they are making 10 a month or so.

Anyway, I was at River Rat Motorsports the other day and they had one coming in for which the intended customer declined to take it. I ended up taking it along with SDI shocks, 15 inch system 3 wheels and 35 inch tires that are a bit more hard pack friendly. Added plus, it’s going to lose quite a bit of weight.

I’m bitting at the bit waiting for it to come in. Should be pretty cool. 72 inches wide but 87 inches high.

While it will most certainly be the slowest buggy out there on the trail, it will be comfortable for what it is.

Pics are for example only.

Now, if I can only find a decent used toy hauler with 87 inches of clearance at the door, 15 feet or so of length and 73-74 inches of clear width..

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Paradox said:
The dust just got to be too much for my wife when we owned the Can Am. Likewise, dirt bike ridding doesn’t do it for me anymore. Too old to get hurt.

Sometime ago we bought a new Kawi Ridge HVAC Crew Limited. We then had the complete Afternarket Assassin kit (exhaust, tune, belt, clutch) installed as well as a complete sound deadening system that included carpet over it as well as acoustic panels between the roof and ceiling panel.

HCR recently released their wide body long travel kit. I understand that they are making 10 a month or so.

Anyway, I was at River Rat Motorsports the other day and they had one coming in for which the intended customer declined to take it. I ended up taking it along with SDI shocks, 15 inch system 3 wheels and 35 inch tires that are a bit more hard pack friendly. Added plus, it’s going to lose quite a bit of weight.

I’m bitting at the bit waiting for it to come in. Should be pretty cool. 72 inches wide but 87 inches high.

While it will most certainly be the slowest buggy out there on the trail, it will be comfortable for what it is.

Pics are for example only.

Now, if I can only find a decent used toy hauler with 87 inches of clearance at the door, 15 feet or so of length and 73-74 inches of clear width..

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RiverRat will install the supercharger kit and maintain the factory warranty for everything but the axles!! Just an FYI.

RD
 
attitude said:
KTM is entering the SxS game.

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KTM Introduces All-New X-BOW ARROW Side-by-Side - Racer X

Developed through collaboration with leading automotive and motorsport partners, the ARROW brings sports-car engineering, rally-raid development and OEM-level manufacturing to the side-by-side category.
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I don't have that kind of money but those stats look pretty good. 330 hp audi 2.0 turbo with dct trans. 35 inch tires with cutting break. AC, stereo, lights, fully inclosed.
 
SeanRitchie said:
Problem is Can-Am doesn't sell internal parts to fix the DCT. I've had quite a few calls on them, but have to tell everyone there's nothing I can do to fix it.
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what parts would be needed to fix the broken dct's? Is it a simple part like a gear or bearing and can-am wants to sell a whole trans to make money or the parts are so complicated and expenseive to do it's just easier to replace the whole trans?
 
RiverDave said:
RiverRat will install the supercharger kit and maintain the factory warranty for everything but the axles!! Just an FYI.

RD
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Do you know what kind of HP numbers they are getting with that SC? I can't find anything posted. I may need to reach out and work with them on a build. We'd love to have one with a SC.
 
outboard_256 said:
what parts would be needed to fix the broken dct's? Is it a simple part like a gear or bearing and can-am wants to sell a whole trans to make money or the parts are so complicated and expenseive to do it's just easier to replace the whole trans?
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The desert racers wear out the rear R&P between 1000-1500 race miles. It is essentially integrated into the gearbox (the entire gearbox has to be torn apart to replace). There is a company in Europe that makes them for the 2 seat transmissions, but they are about $4k retail just for the R&P once you get it here in the US. Then another $2500 labor to replace in the trans.

Some of the rock guys are breaking the 1st and 2nd gears. There are also some high pressure oil pump failures that control the dual clutch system.

They are very nice gearboxes with high quality parts. But like any offroad based drivetrain component, even high quality parts will wear and break with hard use.

I do believe that Can-Am does not want the every day tech tearing into these and rebuilding them, which is likely why they are not selling parts for them. They are a bit complex and take quite a bit of time and expertise to rebuild properly.
 
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