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I need to replace the 3 house batteries on my boat, any recommendations? I don’t want to go with Optima because I don’t want to replace my boxes. Any opinions on VMAX or fullriver? I was hoping to keep it $300 or under for each battery. Thanks guys.
 

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Can’t go wrong with Interstates
I’m running interstates now but they are the cheap $100 Costco ones. My stereo is 2500 watts and kills all three in like 45 minutes. I was looking at the true deep cycle interstates and they had pretty good reviews. They are like $250 each. It’s maddening trying to pick which battery because there are 10,000 reviews and opinions on the internet about everything. I asked on here because the opinions are more real world.
 

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Interstate Batteries. Go to all American Battery in Havasu off London Bridge Rd. They’ll have you in and out in 10 minutes. Interstate deep cycle I believe are around $220. Never an issue running my stereo.
 

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Can’t go wrong with Interstates

Yeah just be sure to get the - xhd series they make 3 grades, the lowest one being at, gee guess where, Costco.

I had the 24-xhd in the ultra for over 5 years, and that was sitting in my garage in Parker not on a trickle charger either.
 

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The good part about Interstate is, you can get em warrantied pretty much everywhere.
 

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Yeah just be sure to get the - xhd series they make 3 grades, the lowest one being at, gee guess where, Costco.

I had the 24-xhd in the ultra for over 5 years, and that was sitting in my garage in Parker not on a trickle charger either.
The 24 XHD is not a deep cycle,SRM are deep cycle. XHD is high perf cranking battery with 1000 CCA and 135 min reserve Capacity. SRM 24 has 140 min Reserve capacity. If you have room the SRM 29 or 31 interstate is 1 of the best deep cycle batteries on the planet with 210 min reserve Capacity. I get 7 years out of them on my trolling motor.

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The 24 XHD is not a deep cycle,SRM are deep cycle. XHD is high perf cranking battery with 1000 CCA and 135 min reserve Capacity. SRM 24 has 140 min Reserve capacity. If you have room the SRM 29 or 31 interstate is 1 of the best deep cycle batteries on the planet with 210 min reserve Capacity. I get 7 years out of them on my trolling motor.

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Yeah true they are starting batteries. Pointjng out interstates have muliplle quality levels so when one person says they suck and one says they are great to be sure to get their higher end product. They can be pounds different.
 

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What about just going with 2 higher end batteries like the Odyssey group 31?


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I’m running interstates now but they are the cheap $100 Costco ones. My stereo is 2500 watts and kills all three in like 45 minutes. I was looking at the true deep cycle interstates and they had pretty good reviews. They are like $250 each. It’s maddening trying to pick which battery because there are 10,000 reviews and opinions on the internet about everything. I asked on here because the opinions are more real world.

EDIT: My initial comments about wire sizing failed to consider the efficiency factor of the stereo amps. The calculations for conductor ampacity for UPS battery systems differ in that respect from what I'm used to. I have changed some of the figures to reflect the correct factors, and the numbers provided will result in a safe and functional installation.

My real world experience is from installing millions of dollars of lead acid and AGM batteries on large data center UPS systems. The batteries are essential to the uptime of the facilities, and I had to learn a lot of esoteric detail about them in order to choose the correct solution. If a UPS I installed dropped a customer load because of something I should have done differently, I didn't have that customer for repeat business.

Your stereo amplifiers will require power conductors capable of carrying 230 amps at full blast. That means it'll discharge a 200 amp hour battery less than one hour. If you have three of them, they should provide about 2:45 of run time when discharged to 50%.

If you're discharging your batteries in 45 minutes, they are either too small, have been damaged by improper recharging, or you're asking too much of them. Use a DC ammeter to determine the rate of discharge, and use batteries with a sufficient amp hour capacity that will provide a longer run time, or turn down the volume. There's no free lunch. You need to spend the money for three deep cycle 200 amp hour or larger batteries if you want to have decent run time.

BUT, if you want your batteries to last more than a season or two, the amount of discharge must be monitored. Install a digital voltmeter on your battery bus, and monitor during use. When battery discharge reaches 50%, they should be shut down. This is the conservative route for maximum life. Going to 40-30-20% is iffy. It can be done. You will get fewer cycles out of them, but they'll still last two or three years. Be aware the amperage goes up as the voltage drops. If you are at full volume and 10.5 volts on the DC bus, it'll be drawing about 240 amps. In Be aware of internal heat buildup during extended discharge. If it's and issue, consider adding a small 12V fan in the area.

They will not run your stereo all day, like 9 AM to 6 PM, and you'll just end up killing them if you repeatedly over discharge them. As I said, install a digital voltmeter to monitor the voltage. Your stereo guy can provide one, or you can buy one that plugs into your cigarette lighter socket.

To maximize life, spend the money for a three step electronic charger with a minimum of a 15 amp initial charge. a 20 amp initial charge is better. You'll hear the term "C" rate, and the proper C10 rate for a 200 amp hour battery is 20 amps. Never recharge a discharged deep cycle battery with a small battery charger or a battery tender, it'll quickly kill them.

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I dont know how many watts my stereo is but it last for hours with 1 pc2150, but I throw it on the charger every night.. I actually run two, but only use one for the stereo.
My friend has probably double what I do and is running two pc2150 and I've never seen him run out of power.
 

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My real world experience is from installing millions of dollars of lead acid and AGM batteries on large data center UPS systems. The batteries are essential to the uptime of the facilities, and I had to learn a lot of esoteric detail about them in order to choose the correct solution. If a UPS I installed dropped a customer load because of something I should have done differently, I didn't have that customer for repeat business.

Your stereo uses a bit over 200 amps at full blast. That means it'll discharge a 200 amp hour battery in one hour. If you have three of them, they should provide three hours of run time.

If you're discharging your batteries in 45 minutes, they are either too small, have been damaged by improper recharging, or you're asking too much of them. Use a DC ammeter to determine the rate of discharge, and use batteries with a sufficient amp hour capacity that will provide a longer run time or turn down the volume. There's no free lunch. You need to spend the money for three deep cycle 200 amp hour or larger batteries if you want to have decent run time...BUT, if you want your batteries to last more than a season or two, the amount of discharge must be monitored. Install a digital voltmeter on your battery bus, and monitor during use. When battery discharge reaches 50%, they should be shut down. Going to 40% is iffy. They will not run your stereo all day, you'll just end up killing them if you repeatedly overdischarge them.

To maximize life, spend the money for a three step electronic charger with a minimum of a 15 amp initial charge. a 20 amp initial charge is better. You'll hear the term "C" rate, and the proper C10 rate for a 200 amp hour battery is 20 amps. Never recharge a discharged deep cycle battery with a small battery charger or a battery tender, it'll quickly kill them.

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Who do you know that has a stereo that draws 200 amps??

Thats what a starter draws! And we all know what size cable and lugs a starter selinoid has attached to it!!!

I would really love to see this system you speak of!
 

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My jbl 750 watt amp will pull my truck down to 11 volts when it's running. Now that's only on certain songs. My altenator is 136 amp and I can watch the volt meter drop to 11 with 2 batteries.

So 200 amp draw is not out of the question.

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Who do you know that has a stereo that draws 200 amps??

Thats what a starter draws! And we all know what size cable and lugs a starter selinoid has attached to it!!!

I would really love to see this system you speak of!
2500 / 12 = 208
 

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+3 for Lifelines . . . I've had Odyssey and Lifelines . . . both are good, Lifeline is better.
 

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Odyssey/Northstar
I have ran VMAX with decent success in my Camper, little better price
 

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Who do you know that has a stereo that draws 200 amps??

Thats what a starter draws! And we all know what size cable and lugs a starter selinoid has attached to it!!!

I would really love to see this system you speak of!

The OP.

Stereo system amplifiers that output that much power routinely use #2 AWG braided fine stranded wire...the same size as many starter conductors.
 
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My real world experience is from installing millions of dollars of lead acid and AGM batteries on large data center UPS systems.

What batteries do you recommend in agm/lead that have higher amp hour storage in the group 27-31 form factor that can tolerate marine use. I found two below, but have no experience with them.

People might be a little too focused on brand or perceptions of quality. It can be the best battery with high quality but if it only is a 80-100 amp hour it can only store a marginal amount of energy. Exactly what the battery says I.e 100 amp hours, which in most applications means about 1/2 that as useable I.e. 50 amp hours. Stereos/amp don't have regulated inputs to get the last 50% out of the battery...

If you look around for batteries used in solar application for marine use you can double the amp hour storage...

Universal Battery 250 Amp-hours 12V AGM Sealed Battery

200 amp-hour (Ah), this Renogy 12V 200Ah deep cycle gel battery
 

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Interstate's new maintenance free deep cycle batteries are nice and come with a replacement warranty of 2 years
 

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Too small of power and ground wire will as well help burn the battery faster. A high quality OFC 0g power and ground will help the battery last longer, but the biggest thing is they need to be healthy, so keep on a maintainer anytime not in use will always help.
 

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The OP.

Stereo system amplifiers that output that much power routinely use #2 AWG braided fine stranded wire...the same size as many starter conductors.

You know the rule...
 

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Wow! I just logged back on here and you guys provided me with a shitload of information!!! I appreciate all of the information. I don’t expect to be able to run the stereo all day but a couple of hours would be nice. I currently am running one starting battery and three house batteries. The starting battery is position 1 on the Perko switch and the house batteries are obviously position 2. All of my batteries are group 27’s so they are on the smaller end size wise. The house batteries I’m running aren’t true deep cycles, they are cheap interstate combo batteries from Costco. So I’m just looking for suggestions on a good true deep cycle battery. I have an onboard charger and I do plug in every night. Thanks again for all you guys taking the time to give me information. That’s what I love about this site, I could ask a question about anything and get a shitload of info from guys who know what they are talking about.
 

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What batteries do you recommend in agm/lead that have higher amp hour storage in the group 27-31 form factor that can tolerate marine use. I found two below, but have no experience with them.

People might be a little too focused on brand or perceptions of quality. It can be the best battery with high quality but if it only is a 80-100 amp hour it can only store a marginal amount of energy. Exactly what the battery says I.e 100 amp hours, which in most applications means about 1/2 that as useable I.e. 50 amp hours. Stereos/amp don't have regulated inputs to get the last 50% out of the battery...

If you look around for batteries used in solar application for marine use you can double the amp hour storage...

Universal Battery 250 Amp-hours 12V AGM Sealed Battery

200 amp-hour (Ah), this Renogy 12V 200Ah deep cycle gel battery


I usually purchased Johnson Controls batteries. I don't have much experience in buying batteries at the retail level, but I can say improper recharging causes the great percentage of battery failures.

As I said above, for stereo system batteries that see repeated significant discharges, an electronic three stage charger with an initial minimum 15 amp charge is required if you want to maximize their lifespan.

Interstate makes good batteries. Their Group 31 deep cycle battery is as good or better than every other similar unit.
 

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I just replaced the battery in my buggy with a Full River after always having an Odyssey. I went Full River because they are local to me and I couldn't get a replacement Odyssey in a timely manner.

I was speaking to the sales rep at Full River and he said they are focusing on tackling the boat, off road, and RV industries and taking market share from Odyssey. They build almost exact replacements as Odyssey and in some cases a little cheaper. Check them out, I am happy with my buggy set up and wouldn't hesitate to add them to my boat once the Odysseys are dust.
 

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Wow! I just logged back on here and you guys provided me with a shitload of information!!! I appreciate all of the information. I don’t expect to be able to run the stereo all day but a couple of hours would be nice. I currently am running one starting battery and three house batteries. The starting battery is position 1 on the Perko switch and the house batteries are obviously position 2. All of my batteries are group 27’s so they are on the smaller end size wise. The house batteries I’m running aren’t true deep cycles, they are cheap interstate combo batteries from Costco. So I’m just looking for suggestions on a good true deep cycle battery. I have an onboard charger and I do plug in every night. Thanks again for all you guys taking the time to give me information. That’s what I love about this site, I could ask a question about anything and get a shitload of info from guys who know what they are talking about.

with 4 batteries in total (1 for starting + 3 for stereo), you are maxing out your alternator and charging capabilities.
I have 2 batteries and when I was going to add a 3rd, my shop walked me through all the other items that would be needed to do it correctly. Decided to keep the 2 I have.
 

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The one's at Costco are Interstate. Affordable and good. I love XS batteries, but I only use them for audio applications because they are pricey. Chances are you will have to replace the batteries every 3-5 years so so waste your money.
 

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Lifeline. Amazing the difference when I switched out the stock batteries to lifeline five years ago.
 

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My Hallett was about 8,000 watts.. The spooled up toon was I believe 30,000 watts.. 😳

According to this...


200 amps would be a 24,000 watt system.

And then there are RMS watts, peak watts, are they running A amps, B amps, A+B amps, the configuration options are endless.

Like I said, I wanna see that system. And how they wired it. That's gonna be impressive to say the least.
 
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