Mod vp patent

[RiverDave]

Was over at conquest awhile back and Candy pulled this out from behind her desk.. Pretty cool to see a piece of boating history like this..

RD

 

[RitcheyRch]

That is very cool. :thumbsup:thumbsup

 

[satellitemike]

Dave you need to find a hobby, 348am, wtf?

 

[stokerwhore]

thats pretty bitchen. has me squinting up close to my screen trying to read more. la habra heights,ca. is that a Baker? or did it have its origins with conquest? wtf? enquiring minds want to know:headscratch:

 

[jake]

Bruce Nescher was a real smart guy, sad though how it ended for him. I remember for a while before he died if you wanted to talk to him you had to be there before 11AM after that time he would be so drunk he would be incoherant. I've heard it said that he was near genius, in his prime, about boat design and I don't doubt that. Here's to you Bruce.:champagne:

 

[Tom Brown]

Dave you need to find a hobby, 348am, wtf?

Dave's hobby is insomnia.


Cool piece of history, for sure.

 

[harlanorrin]

It is interesting to see patents. There are few technical points required. There are great variations in mod v-p boats. Unfortunatly most design patents are considering the deck design as well as the bottom. The bottom performs while the deck sells to Joe public. I have made minor changes to the deck to satisfy the courts.
The courts generally are satsifyed if new tooling is used to build the mold. They do not like direct splashes.
Professional Boatbuilder Magazine Aug.-Sept. 2012 #138, has an article on this subject on page 64. Splash Protection in Practice. U. S. Vessel Hull Design Protection Act.
Dick Shuster splashed a Glastron 16' boat. I built a new deck on the first hull while in the mold. Later there was a wrap around windshield deck built on the boat by another builder. Duck made a mold from the new deck. He was ordered to stop building the new deck on the hull that he had splashed.
Sometimes we need a program to know the players. Some builders design a new model then are able to cover the market before other builders can get into the market.
Six months after I built the Sanger Bubble deck plug and molds there were about 12 companies that splashed the deck design. In the first year we had built about 100 boats of the new design and were designing other models using that design. Now 30 years later very few people know who built the first bubble deck boat.
HARLAN ORRIN

 

[572ext]

Harlin that is an awsom true story. Thumbs up to you.

 

[RiverDave]

Bruce Nescher was a real smart guy, sad though how it ended for him. I remember for a while before he died if you wanted to talk to him you had to be there before 11AM after that time he would be so drunk he would be incoherant. I've heard it said that he was near genius, in his prime, about boat design and I don't doubt that. Here's to you Bruce.:champagne:

I still like the conquest top cat 1 more then any other deck except maybe the new Nordic

 

[RiverDave]

I was talking to Candy and she was laughing saying how everyone thought he was crazy when he was working on it and nobody at the time said it would work.

 

[HotRod82]

I had an 88 Baker Mod VP and I regret ever selling it. Ran a solid 90 and was solid as a rock at that speed. That boat did everything well, including skiing. Far and above the best river boat I have ever owned.....

 

[kiwi77]

thats pretty bitchen. has me squinting up close to my screen trying to read more. la habra heights,ca. is that a Baker? or did it have its origins with conquest? wtf? enquiring minds want to know:headscratch:

Sleekcraft....

 

[fmo24]

thats pretty bitchen. has me squinting up close to my screen trying to read more. la habra heights,ca. is that a Baker? or did it have its origins with conquest? wtf? enquiring minds want to know:headscratch:

Sleekcraft

 

[mbrown2]

Sleekcraft....

Yep....my dad had Nescher build him a 26 Sleek out of the Sante Fe Springs shop....Sleek was a great company at one time....still remember going down there as it was getting built...great memories.

 

[TBI]

In my best Forrest Gump voice......"That's my boat"

 

[DaytonaBabe]

Way cool, RD :thumbsup That bottom looks a lot like my boat... Per information from John West, ours is a Southwind bottom and the 20XT Ultra top :thumbsup You haven't had a smooth ride until you've ridden in this boat. He said ours was a true tunnel, not the Mod V that they made several of. So, my question is, what is the difference?

 

[WATERDOG]

This is the Hull that slaughtered the field at the '76 Parker 9 Hour. Got DQ'd at the Awards Dinner for illegal Hull Design. That sucked.:grumble:

 

[TBI]

My 26ft Sleek

Before and after shots - all work performed by yours truly

 

[rrrr]

Yep....my dad had Nescher build him a 26 Sleek out of the Sante Fe Springs shop....Sleek was a great company at one time....still remember going down there as it was getting built...great memories.

I drove from Houston to the Santa Fe Springs shop to pick up a new 26' Ambassador in the summer of 1979. There wasn't a dealer in Houston and Nescher sold it to me for dealer cost, about $16K.

It was a nice boat.

 

[CampbellCarl]

Google Bruce Nescher and find info about the law suit between he (Sleekcraft) and AMF (Slickcraft). Interesting read.

Nescher built flatbottoms with his own label on them before starting up Sleekcraft (which was already said, in Santa Fe Springs CA) about 6 blocks from where i live now.

Sleekcraft then begat or became what Magic?

Makes sense that while building Sleekcraft that Nescher may have lived in La Habra or LaHabra Heights.

CC

 

[WATERDOG]

Nescher built flatbottoms with his own label on them before starting up Sleekcraft (which was already said, in Santa Fe Springs CA) about 6 blocks from where i live now.
Makes sense that while building Sleekcraft that Nescher may have lived in La Habra or LaHabra Heights.

CC

Nescher Boats was started in his garage in Covina as a hobby while he was driving an 18 wheeler full time. His first shop was on Santa Fe Spings road but not the same building as the one many of you know.

His house in La Habra Heights was on Reposada at the top of the hill. Jerry Hardin lived on the same street.

 

[WTMFA]

My 26ft Sleek

Before and after shots - all work performed by yours truly

Impressive :thumbsup

 

[Waterheater]

I had an 88 Baker Mod VP and I regret ever selling it. Ran a solid 90 and was solid as a rock at that speed. That boat did everything well, including skiing. Far and above the best river boat I have ever owned.....

I agree with you.

My parents had a 21 that was a 88 and I bought a 86 18' back in 95. Kick myself everyday for selling it. Had more fun it that boat than anything else.

 

[kiwi77]

RD...

What is it that you like better on the Topcat 1? I just bought a 2.

JR

 

[kiwi77]

This is the Hull that slaughtered the field at the '76 Parker 9 Hour. Got DQ'd at the Awards Dinner for illegal Hull Design. That sucked.:grumble:

Long before Stokers the Sleek dominated as you say. Some even say a Stoker deck will fit a Sleek bottom like a glove.

 

[Outdrive1]

RD...

What is it that you like better on the Topcat 1? I just bought a 2.

JR

He's sentimental about because he had his first BLL in one.

 

[kiwi77]

That explains it.

 

[rivermobster]

He's sentimental about because he had his first BLL in one.

Nice

 

[Motoxlrg]

Thanks to all of you that share boating history!
I now know more about the man that was behind the Conquest I own. And, presumably, I have a better idea why the new conquest operation had no time to tell me anything about my boat when i was restoring it. Wish I could of had had a beer, or six with
Bruce Nescher and got cliff notes of how to optimize the boat. Possibly one of the last ones built.

 

[Riverbound]

Way cool, RD :thumbsup That bottom looks a lot like my boat... Per information from John West, ours is a Southwind bottom and the 20XT Ultra top :thumbsup You haven't had a smooth ride until you've ridden in this boat. He said ours was a true tunnel, not the Mod V that they made several of. So, my question is, what is the difference?

Mod vp is a boat with 3 sponsons and the middle sponson is lower than the outside sponsons.

True tunnel will have two sponsons outside and nothing in the middle just a solid single tunnel.

Then you have the typical west coast cat or training wheel boat. With a small center sponson and the outer sponsons are lower then the center. (Not mod vp)

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[Riverbound]

RD...

What is it that you like better on the Topcat 1? I just bought a 2.

JR

The double driver seat is may favorite part of the top cat 1


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[Riverbound]

Long before Stokers the Sleek dominated as you say. Some even say a Stoker deck will fit a Sleek bottom like a glove.

Aren’t the sleek, Baker and stoker all very similar?? I was always under the impression the stoker was derived from the baker


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[Sleek-Jet]

Love these old threads. Scrolling down I see Bilgy posting pictures of boats! Then CC!!! Then I look at the posting dates. Ah... That explains it. Must be what dementia is like...

 

[guest hs]

Aren’t the sleek, Baker and stoker all very similar?? I was always under the impression the stoker was derived from the baker


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This is correct!

 

[guest hs]

A Sleek Craft mod VP won the Parker Enduro last year with a Yamaha v8 4 stroke on it. I think it won the year before too but got DQ due to fuel issues

 

[kiwi77]

He won because the #48 Stoker driven by Greg Foster hit a roller and flipped. Prior to the flip, Foster was leading overall. The year before the #48 Stoker driven by Foster/Stoker was leading by 3-1/2 laps for the overall when their EFI box broke with 4 laps to go. The Sleek then won but was DQ’d because of illegal fuel which then gave the #48 the win.

A Sleek Craft mod VP won the Parker Enduro last year with a Yamaha v8 4 stroke on it. I think it won the year before too but got DQ due to fuel issues

 

[Riverbound]

Love these old threads. Scrolling down I see Bilgy posting pictures of boats! Then CC!!! Then I look at the posting dates. Ah... That explains it. Must be what dementia is like...

Yah I didn’t realize it was an old thread when I responded. It’s not often we have real boating content around here and I got excited. [emoji23][emoji23]


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[gqchris]

Love this thread. Thanks for reviving. Looking forward to taking out my Baker this week for the first time this season.

 

[Hydroman55]

Bruce without question started the mod vp craze. Taylor, Baker, Stoker and many more took the design and ran.
The question I have always had however, is what year did the 19 Daytona go in production 1977 / 1978?

 

[rivermobster]

Holy thread revival bat man!

 

[guest hs]

Bruce without question started the mod vp craze. Taylor, Baker, Stoker and many more took the design and ran.
The question I have always had however, is what year did the 19 Daytona go in production 1977 / 1978?

I think it was 78

 

[guest hs]

He won because the #48 Stoker driven by Greg Foster hit a roller and flipped. Prior to the flip, Foster was leading overall. The year before the #48 Stoker driven by Foster/Stoker was leading by 3-1/2 laps for the overall when their EFI box broke with 4 laps to go. The Sleek then won but was DQ’d because of illegal fuel which then gave the #48 the win.

I know this I was there. Three Stokers had catastrophic failures Kevin Taylor crash Greg Foster crash green and yellow the engine fell off the back of it. Just goes to show outboards can’t hang when all those big V drive boats compete. Remember you have to finish the race to win! Boat racing is not an almost sport like Horse shoes and hand grenades.

 

[Hydroman55]

Posted before and most likely getting boring but here we go. A picture of my Taylor tunnel which was splashed off the Sleekcraft with major deck changes in 1977. The Taylor picture is the day I finished and Vapor Trails clipping is from Walker Lake Nationals 1977. Note the writing as "stock outboard class" predating the formation of Mod VP class, was legal however since center pod was lowest part of bottom. 30 years later running my Sleekcraft tunnel.

 

[Hydroman55]

I think it was 78

That would make Bruce ahead of Ron/Bob rolling out the modified tunnel, center pod tunnel, obstructed tunnel, mod VP as it's been called over the years.

 

[guest hs]

Baker Boats=Kona Boats for those of you who didn’t know. I’m pretty sure the Sleek SST was before the Baker/Taylor then came the Stoker.

 

[Hydroman55]

It

Aren’t the sleek, Baker and stoker all very similar?? I was always under the impression the stoker was derived from the baker


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It was but Stoker heavily modified over the years both deck and bottom.

 

[Hydroman55]

The Sleek SST came later as the first Sleek tunnel was called the Aristocrat, SST was same bottom just different updated deck. Taylor was splashed off the Aristocrat. If you notice the picture posted of my Taylor looks like a Baker, that's because Baker obtained Taylor molds when Taylor went belly up.

 

[RVR SWPR]

I have owned 2 Boats Bruce built,ordered 1976 23' Executive Day Cruiser,460 Ford Jacuzzi Jet.Totally enjoyed that boat for many years. The next Boat,have never said much about,Jet Hate around here is incredible Bruce built a 1979 23' Executive Cruiser Twin 454 Panther Jet for a Chevy Dealer in LA.I have been lucky enuff to own the boat for the past 30 years.My wife will have to sell that boat someday.Me,never.Got to know Bruce,not personnaly,but always friendly,especially his last years.Candy always great to talk with on the phone.Thanks Bruce.

 

[RVR SWPR]

 

[530RL]

This was the Enduro in 86. Sleek with bone stock Yamaha.

This is in Havasu in 87 with a 21 foot Sleek Jr. Exec Mod VP with a 200 Mariner. I/O deck with a jack plate as opposed to the OB deck that had an OB well. Best boat I ever had.

87 Diplomat Mod VP recently redone.