Need help removing a door handle

[caribbean20]

This is embarrassing, but I’m about to go all brute force on this thing. Regular Schlage keyed entry. Spring is loose so handle doesn’t return to position. 23 years old. Merely want to put a new handle on this thing. Instructions say remove the set screw, which I did, and stick a pin in that pin hole to push in a spring and handle should slide off. No go on that. Next drilled out the bastard, still won’t slide off. Not sure if the locking mechanism has anything to do with it but that key is long gone since we use a deadbolt.

Any ideas before I surrender and call the lock guy?

 

[HCP3]

You need a key or pick.

 

[TimeBandit]

Usually the non key side comes off first, maybe an allen key?

 

[zhandfull]

Sawzal or hacksaw and start cutting.

 

[JBZ]

This might help

 

[caribbean20]

This might help

Problem is I don’t have the key. Looks like a call to the lock and key guy.

 

[caribbean20]

Usually the non key side comes off first, maybe an allen key?

Ya, I took that off already and it has an internal retaining ring. But I don’t think it will just slide out from the lock side.

 

[ChumpChange]

Have you tried saying please as you gently wiggle it?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Problem is I don’t have the key. Looks like a call to the lock and key guy.

Looks like the cylinder release in an old car. If you can't turn the key slot vertical, it may not access the release.

 

[caribbean20]

Have you tried saying please as you gently wiggle it?

And yet another country heard from

 

[caribbean20]

Looks like the cylinder release in an old car. If you can't turn the key slot vertical, it may not access the release.

Yup, that’s the answer after looking at the video. No problem calling a service guy, they need to eat too, just wanted to make sure I left no stone unturned if it’s something I can do.

And of course I slapped it back together and will proclaim victory to the family. Hope they don’t notice

 

[rrrr]

A 14" pipe wrench works good for those situations.

 

[WYRD]

 

[2Driver]

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Usually the non key side comes off first, maybe an allen key?

My thoughts. The inside handle is what comes off.

 

[DLC]

On the inside handle, see if you can pop the cover off, if not cut the handle off, a band saw, grinder, sawzaw fine tooth blade

then remove the cover
unscrew the inside / outside
push handles out the key side

there is typically an Allen key or fine point push tool to release the spring pin

Dont do any of that work while the wife is home! otherwise you’ll end up cleaning the rest of the day

 

[DLC]

I just had to do this a few weeks ago, for a customer

just make sure you have a new lock ready to go back in

 

[braindead]

You're on the wrong side of the door. The screws that hold the knob together are always on the inside of the door. That's the side you need to be working from.

You need to either screw the set screw in or out to remove it. Some of the nicer hardware you screw the set screw into the handle so it's retained and less likely to loose it during shipping.

When the set screw is out, they're might be a part on the opposite side of the set screw to push in, but most likely not, that's what the set screw does.

You should then be able to remove the handle, the decorative cover behind it and then you should see the 2 screws that hold the handle together.

 

[braindead]

This is embarrassing, but I’m about to go all brute force on this thing. Regular Schlage keyed entry. Spring is loose so handle doesn’t return to position. 23 years old. Merely want to put a new handle on this thing. Instructions say remove the set screw, which I did, and stick a pin in that pin hole to push in a spring and handle should slide off. No go on that. Next drilled out the bastard, still won’t slide off. Not sure if the locking mechanism has anything to do with it but that key is long gone since we use a deadbolt.

Any ideas before I surrender and call the lock guy?

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You're on the wrong side of the door. Start on the inside of the door

 

[4Waters]

Have you tried a different prop?

 

[azsunfun]

Start on inside of door pry the plate off closest to door, should be a rectangular push pin to release knob.

 

[500bbc]

Start on inside of door pry the plate off closest to door, should be a rectangular push pin to release knob.

Nope, that's old school and worked perfectly. This one is new and improved...

 

[caribbean20]

You're on the wrong side of the door. Start on the inside of the door

I did start on the inside, removed the handle and no screws securing the plate. Didn’t want to pry the inside plate off until I was sure there wasn’t a better solution. Probably give it another go tomorrow, I’m no quitter.

Start on inside of door pry the plate off closest to door, should be a rectangular push pin to release knob.

I did start on the inside. This thing refuses to be removed without a key. Brute force measures needed when the wife is OUT OF THE HOUSE.

 

[braindead]

The decorative plate should just pry off, once the handle is removed, get a putty knife or butter knife to slip between the door and the plate.

Do this on the bottom side, less likely to see the mark if you slip off and scratch the door

 

[SoCalDave]

You're on the wrong side of the door. The screws that hold the knob together are always on the inside of the door. That's the side you need to be working from.

You need to either screw the set screw in or out to remove it. Some of the nicer hardware you screw the set screw into the handle so it's retained and less likely to loose it during shipping.

When the set screw is out, they're might be a part on the opposite side of the set screw to push in, but most likely not, that's what the set screw does.

You should then be able to remove the handle, the decorative cover behind it and then you should see the 2 screws that hold the handle together.

@braindead is spot on with this one...

 

[wishiknew]

Just go to Home Depot and buy a new one

 

[oldman]

Ok,

No one has said it, but maybe hit it with your purse.

 

[DC-88]

The inside trim plate may unscrew and thread off like on an Emtek , Baldwin, or commercial style Schlage exposing two phillips screws on the inside plate depending on the series of lock set. . Also.... it looks like someone painted or repainted the door with the hardware still on it so may make it a little harder to break loose to unscrew it

 

[bilz]

Hitch up an f150 and punch it!

 

[ChumpChange]

I did start on the inside, removed the handle and no screws securing the plate. Didn’t want to pry the inside plate off until I was sure there wasn’t a better solution. Probably give it another go tomorrow, I’m no quitter.

I did start on the inside. This thing refuses to be removed without a key. Brute force measures needed when the wife is OUT OF THE HOUSE.

It’s funny how brute force sometimes isn’t the answer. I remember trying to pull the steering wheel off off my 89 Mustang. We pulled so hard to the point where we put a toe strap from the steering wheel out the hatchback to my buddy’s Ford Ranger. All because I didn’t wanna spend $15 for a steering wheel puller. That sucker would not come off.

Bought the puller and it pulled everything equally and popped right off as if it was butter.

 

[braindead]

It’s funny how brute force sometimes isn’t the answer. I remember trying to pull the steering wheel off off my 89 Mustang. We pulled so hard to the point where we put a toe strap from the steering wheel out the hatchback to my buddy’s Ford Ranger. All because I didn’t wanna spend $15 for a steering wheel puller. That sucker would not come off.

Bought the puller and it pulled everything equally and popped right off as if it was butter.

Great, now i gotta send newbies to the truck for a door knob puller... maybe I should just call it a knob puller? Nah, he'll i wouldn't even come back to work after finding the knob puller

 

[Orange Juice]

This is embarrassing, but I’m about to go all brute force on this thing. Regular Schlage keyed entry. Spring is loose so handle doesn’t return to position. 23 years old. Merely want to put a new handle on this thing. Instructions say remove the set screw, which I did, and stick a pin in that pin hole to push in a spring and handle should slide off. No go on that. Next drilled out the bastard, still won’t slide off. Not sure if the locking mechanism has anything to do with it but that key is long gone since we use a deadbolt.

Any ideas before I surrender and call the lock guy?

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I just wore out all lockset as well. It still worked, but barely. I had no Idea after 15-20 years, they become junk.

Who makes a quality lockset today? Do I need wireless?

 

[HNL2LHC]

I just wore out all lockset as well. It still worked, but barely. I had no Idea after 15-20 years, they become junk.

Who makes a quality lockset today? Do I need wireless?

Put in Kwikset in the Havasu house. 4 years now would not go back. Liked it so much installed the same in Hawaii. Never carry a key and remote access. Then add in the fact that you get notice when door is opened or closed and log of date and times anyone uses their access. Put that together with MyQ and it is a game changer.

Do it!!!!

 

[500bbc]

I just wore out all lockset as well. It still worked, but barely. I had no Idea after 15-20 years, they become junk.

Who makes a quality lockset today? Do I need wireless?

100 year old mortise locks and box locks have replaceable parts.
I have some 40/50 year old schlage that work fine. Baldwin can be rebuilt.
Not impressed with new hardware that needs a BIL tool to service.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Great, now i gotta send newbies to the truck for a door knob puller... maybe I should just call it a knob puller? Nah, he'll i wouldn't even come back to work after finding the knob puller

"Send them to the truck for the door knob puller"

Yes, its next to the board stretcher on top of the box of toe nails

 

[Xstream]

Did you get the lock apart yet?
Did you call a locksmith yet?
When you get it apart tell us how you did it.

 

[DWRAT]

1. Remove the inside handle, you need a poker pin to depress the exposed pin and then pull.
2. Remove the trim, you need a small screw driver, it will just flip off.
3. Remove the 2 phillips screws.
4. Pull the outer handle out of the door.

 

[Big B Hova]

1. Remove the inside handle, you need a poker pin to depress the exposed pin and then pull.
2. Remove the trim, you need a small screw driver, it will just flip off.
3. Remove the 2 phillips screws.
4. Pull the outer handle out of the door.

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When all else fails sledgehammer

 

[DLC]

This is embarrassing, but I’m about to go all brute force on this thing. Regular Schlage keyed entry. Spring is loose so handle doesn’t return to position. 23 years old. Merely want to put a new handle on this thing. Instructions say remove the set screw, which I did, and stick a pin in that pin hole to push in a spring and handle should slide off. No go on that. Next drilled out the bastard, still won’t slide off. Not sure if the locking mechanism has anything to do with it but that key is long gone since we use a deadbolt.

Any ideas before I surrender and call the lock guy?

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Post a pic without the cover on !

you said you had the interior handle and cover off, & didn’t seen any screws. Some lock sets have a castle nut that needs a special wrench, it’s like a spanner wrench w/ 4 posts sticking out

the pics your posting doesn’t help us Inform you on the proper procedure to dis assemble …

 

[4Waters]

@caribbean20 did you get the damn thing off

 

[caribbean20]

@caribbean20 did you get the damn thing off

No I didn’t. Just slapped it back together to live another day. Here is the other (inside) view with handle off. I asked the original question to see if there was a solution before going all cave man on it. Next step is to pry that decorative plate off. I wacked it a few times with a hammer and flat head screw driver. Didn’t budge, as if pressed on. There just has to be a better way.

 

[Badchoices03]

 

[caribbean20]

1. Remove the inside handle, you need a poker pin to depress the exposed pin and then pull.
2. Remove the trim, you need a small screw driver, it will just flip off.
3. Remove the 2 phillips screws.
4. Pull the outer handle out of the door.

This

I'm a door guy and I approve this message.

When all else fails sledgehammer

See above images. You guys sure that decorative plate should just pop off? It may be painted on, so that may be what’s holding it on. Gonna need a bigger hammer

 

[DLC]

No I didn’t. Just slapped it back together to live another day. Here is the other (inside) view with handle off. I asked the original question to see if there was a solution before going all cave man on it. Next step is to pry that decorative plate off. I wacked it a few times with a hammer and flat head screw driver. Didn’t budge, as if pressed on. There just has to be a better way.
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that round cover pops off pry it from the bottom

 

[lbhsbz]

I'd run a razor blade around the joint between the paint and the bezel before you attempt to remove it....if I was doing that job, my luck would dictate that the paint stuck to the bezel, and peeled it all up along with 1/2 a ply of doorskin to the top of the door, requiring a new door or lots of filler work lol. (This is also especially true with drywall and it's paper surface).

 

[4Waters]

I'd run a razor blade around the joint between the paint and the bezel before you attempt to remove it....if I was doing that job, my luck would dictate that the paint stuck to the bezel, and peeled it all up along with 1/2 a ply of doorskin to the top of the door, requiring a new door or lots of filler work lol. (This is also especially true with drywall and it's paper surface).

Exactly, I find it funny that you think Murphy cares that you would run a razor blade around it

 

[lbhsbz]

Exactly, I find it funny that you think Murphy cares that you would run a razor blade around it

He makes sure I miss a spot, or at least put the knife through my finger, but at least it minimizes the damage

 

[caribbean20]

That plate has to be secured by screws from the outside base. Trimmed the paint with a blade, inserted flat head, pounded the shit out of it and pry. Did not budge. Removed this circle clip too. See image below, it’s got to be similar, plate secured by screws. I’m thinking lock guy is the only solution to remove from the outside, before I rip up the wood.

 

[caribbean20]

Well look at that, the dam thing was screwed on!

 

[DWRAT]

Nice job, I personally have never seen a trim plate that screws on like that and I have been a locksmith for over 20 years.
Good job.

 

[caribbean20]

I'd run a razor blade around the joint between the paint and the bezel before you attempt to remove it....if I was doing that job, my luck would dictate that the paint stuck to the bezel, and peeled it all up along with 1/2 a ply of doorskin to the top of the door, requiring a new door or lots of filler work lol. (This is also especially true with drywall and it's paper surface).

Sage advice. After I trimmed the paint with a razor, it must have released the plate, wiggled it and off it screwed and new one installed for the win.