Nordic Rage

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

Curious if any one has a new composite rage? How does it compare to a Howard 25 bullet? Ride, speed, cruddy ect... they look awesome.

 

[RiverDave]

This will be interesting to see how this thread goes on Monday.. Lots of Howard fans and Nordic fans on here.

 

[plaster dave]

Joker has a 25 rage and says that porpoise. Never heard that about the Howard bullet.

 

[TCHB]

Here you go! Running pretty strong.
https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=nordic+25+rage+boat+video&fr=ymyy-t-exclusiveBkt&fr2=p:my,m:sb

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

Just curious. Not tryin to stir things. Lol. I almost bought a Rage but heard so many good things about the bullet, I decided to look for one instead. There haven't been any new reviews of the Rage that I know of.

 

[Racer56]

Just curious. Not tryin to stir things. Lol. I almost bought a Rage but heard so many good things about the bullet, I decided to look for one instead. There haven't been any new reviews of the Rage that I know of.

I believe RD has a boat test article for the Nordic Rage he did last year, but he has not published it yet!:rolleyes

 

[RiverDave]

I believe RD has a boat test article for the Nordic Rage he did last year, but he has not published it yet!:rolleyes

If you knew what those tests cost to roll out you'd understand why we're spreading it out a bit..

 

[spectras only]

For starters, I like both boats equally in that size range.:thumbup: Know two owners of the Rage, both people love them. I'd choose the Howard over the Rage for only one reason, 22.5 degrees deadrise vs 20 degrees of the Nordic. You'd use the boat in the Okanagan, mostly calm waters so it isn't an issue there. The Nordic could be a tad faster with same power, due to its shallower deadrise, into the mid 80's with higher than stock powerplants.
Ps; read up on their laminating process that may make up your mind which one to choose.

 

[HavaToon]

The Rage is a 22* deadrise at the transom.

The Bullet is 15* deadrise at the transom.

 

[spectras only]

Stand corrected, older Rages had 20*. BTW the ad you posted says 22.5* deadrise in the specifications!s

Both boats have 22.5 * deadrise with 15* transom angles.

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

The Rage is 7 inches shorter and 4 inches wider than the Howard and has similar dead rise. 22 vs 22.5 on the Howard. The cabin seats seem longer in the Rage. I believe the Bullets are all composite as The Rage is now. I wonder which one is faster with a 540 in it?

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

Stand corrected, older Rages had 20*. BTW the ad you posted says 22.5* deadrise in the specifications!

Those are Howard's specs at the bottom I think.

 

[spectras only]

So their hulls are very similar, they both weigh about the same, they would be extremely close in speed with 540 I assume
Pick your fave

 

[HavaToon]

Those are Howard's specs at the bottom I think.

Correct. The top two are Nordic and the bottom one is Howard.

 

[HavaToon]

So their hulls are very similar, they both weigh about the same, they would be extremely close in speed with 540 I assume
Pick your fave

Agreed. Now shave off 500lbs or so for the full Carbon Kevlar available on the Nordic and it should be faster than the Howard with the same power.

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

Agreed. Now shave off 500lbs or so for the full Carbon Kevlar available on the Nordic and it should be faster than the Howard with the same power.

I've read about the bullet being so unbelievably stable at speeds of 100 mph and I never here about the Rages handling characteristics.

 

[XX14]

I have a 2005 Rage and it's an amazing boat. Mine has wood but not a lot. I don't think the performance or quality would be very different between my boat and a brand new one with similar power (425 hp for my 496 HO). I'm super happy with my rage. With half tanks a fuel and a couple of folks I can run 70-75 without any stress with regard to stability. I spend a lot of time going 20 mph towing kids on a wakeboard or skiing. That's really why I went with the rage instead of the heat. Great manners around the dock. Here's the caveat... I've been in rough water a few times and the boat still feels very safe... Got in a bad situation in a big storm with my five kids and it was super solid but, in rougher water, the kind that is common in Havasu, I won't run hard. It's just to hard on the passengers and the boat. In the next few years I'll be moving to a closed bow and the Heat and the Bullet are in consideration because I want to go to bigger water and have a cabin for the occasional overnight. I'll tell you a MCOB boat is a wind tunnel if you want to haul @ss, super annoying and the space in the Rage is used so well that storage is a weakness. Hope that helps.

 

[TBulger]

We had the privilege of riding in a 28 Eliminator on the dam run and pretty much ran side by side with a 25 Bullet; made the comment many times, how stable and smooth the bullet looked at 75 mph, even going over the waves. Absolutely no porpoise, no matter what. Thanks Tom

 

[XX14]

Oh and the porpoise question. Not an issue on the Rage and I don't have tabs.

 

[USMC2010]

I have a 2005 Rage and it's an amazing boat. Mine has wood but not a lot. I don't think the performance or quality would be very different between my boat and a brand new one with similar power (425 hp for my 496 HO). I'm super happy with my rage. With half tanks a fuel and a couple of folks I can run 70-75 without any stress with regard to stability. I spend a lot of time going 20 mph towing kids on a wakeboard or skiing. That's really why I went with the rage instead of the heat. Great manners around the dock. Here's the caveat... I've been in rough water a few times and the boat still feels very safe... Got in a bad situation in a big storm with my five kids and it was super solid but, in rougher water, the kind that is common in Havasu, I won't run hard. It's just to hard on the passengers and the boat. In the next few years I'll be moving to a closed bow and the Heat and the Bullet are in consideration because I want to go to bigger water and have a cabin for the occasional overnight. I'll tell you a MCOB boat is a wind tunnel if you want to haul @ss, super annoying and the space in the Rage is used so well that storage is a weakness. Hope that helps.

I have a the same boat but a 2001, how are you getting 75mph? I have not seen over 71 and that is near empty and in December. Prop?

 

[XX14]

It really depends on the day. Most days 70 mph is it but perfect day right amount of chop on the water low fuel tanks and a couple of folks and it gets to 75 gps. Most days 70 though. Running a labbed bravo 1 4 blade 26. I don't think there's a more efficient hull in this size category.

 

[USMC2010]

I am wanting a 26 prop, that was what I thought got you there. [emoji106]

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

I have a 2005 Rage and it's an amazing boat. Mine has wood but not a lot. I don't think the performance or quality would be very different between my boat and a brand new one with similar power (425 hp for my 496 HO). I'm super happy with my rage. With half tanks a fuel and a couple of folks I can run 70-75 without any stress with regard to stability. I spend a lot of time going 20 mph towing kids on a wakeboard or skiing. That's really why I went with the rage instead of the heat. Great manners around the dock. Here's the caveat... I've been in rough water a few times and the boat still feels very safe... Got in a bad situation in a big storm with my five kids and it was super solid but, in rougher water, the kind that is common in Havasu, I won't run hard. It's just to hard on the passengers and the boat. In the next few years I'll be moving to a closed bow and the Heat and the Bullet are in consideration because I want to go to bigger water and have a cabin for the occasional overnight. I'll tell you a MCOB boat is a wind tunnel if you want to haul @ss, super annoying and the space in the Rage is used so well that storage is a weakness. Hope that helps.

What's the cabin seating like? Looks like there's more bench length in the Rage than the Bullet. I always wanted a Rage but I haven't seen one with a cabin door and the Howard has one.

 

[BHC Vic]

I have a the same boat but a 2001, how are you getting 75mph? I have not seen over 71 and that is near empty and in December. Prop?

Those are fast hulls I've got a 230 and don't get over 70 [emoji106]

 

[RiverDave]

Stand corrected, older Rages had 20*. BTW the ad you posted says 22.5* deadrise in the specifications!s

Both boats have 22.5 * deadrise with 15* transom angles.

I don't believe they ever changed the bottom on the rages. I'm not sure which deadrise is correct. The bullet rides smoother then the rages, but they rages are crazy fast with even an HO.

 

[XX14]

As far as the cabin bench size goes the port side has room for three smaller folks or two comfortably and two or one comfortably on the starboard side with a cooler bay designed for the Coleman mid-sized stainless steel cooler. Unfortunately there is no cabin door and I haven't seen any one fashioned out of vinyl that I think would actually work. I think the Rage would be very comfortable on a perfect to light chop day. Anything beyond that and you'd be punishing the boat and your passengers. I think the Nordics are holding value very well. My 2005 NADA's for 32-35k.

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

As far as the cabin bench size goes the port side has room for three smaller folks or two comfortably and two or one comfortably on the starboard side with a cooler bay designed for the Coleman mid-sized stainless steel cooler. Unfortunately there is no cabin door and I haven't seen any one fashioned out of vinyl that I think would actually work. I think the Rage would be very comfortable on a perfect to light chop day. Anything beyond that and you'd be punishing the boat and your passengers. I think the Nordics are holding value very well. My 2005 NADA's for 32-35k.

I talked to Nordic a while back and they said they would do a cabin door like the heat for 7500.00. Just no ones ever asked. The seating is deffinatly bigger than the Bullet. I'm hoping to buy a 2004 Howard Bullet closed bow this week but just was wondering the differences between the boats as they seem similar. I've heard the Rage could be a handful at high speeds.

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

I don't believe they ever changed the bottom on the rages. I'm not sure which deadrise is correct. The bullet rides smoother then the rages, but they rages are crazy fast with even an HO.

How much faster if they both had HOs?

 

[USMC2010]

How much faster if they both had HOs?

Rage will do low 70's with a 496mag HO and a bravo 1 24p prop, I hear 75-76 with a 26p. My Rage will do 69 at will, and 71 is my best so far. I know nothing about the bullet.

 

[RiverDave]

How much faster if they both had HOs?

Rage will be 6-7 mph faster.

 

[RiverDave]

Rage will do low 70's with a 496mag HO and a bravo 1 24p prop, I hear 75-76 with a 26p. My Rage will do 69 at will, and 71 is my best so far. I know nothing about the bullet.

They are usually faster then that with a light load. Upper 70's

 

[USMC2010]

That's a pretty big difference isn't it?

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

How differently are they laid up?

 

[USMC2010]

They are usually faster then that with a light load. Upper 70's

I've heard maybe 74 on this prop is reachable but I have yet to see it. I haven't heard of anyone getting upper 70's on a stock HO, mid yes. Would be very interested to see that.

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

Rage will be 6-7 mph faster.

What I've read is both boats do about 74-75 but the Howard would only do 70 with an HO? I thought Howard had the fastest single engine v bottom? Love them both! Just wanna know the ins and outs!

 

[BeerMaker]

Doesn't Shintoo run mid 70s in his Ho powered 25 bullet? I think they are both great boats. Not including the newest Nordics, Howards just seem more "custom". The new Nordics are sick though!

 

[hallett21]

What I've read is both boats do about 74-75 but the Howard would only do 70 with an HO? I thought Howard had the fastest single engine v bottom? Love them both! Just wanna know the ins and outs!

Fastest single engine vbottom yes. It was a 28 that did like 130 +\- but it had a monster of a motor and I believe was a Kevlar layup

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

So what makes the Bullet smoother than the Rage? How does the Rage handle?

 

[XX14]

All I can tell you is the Rage runs on rails up to 75. Handles like a runabout circling back to get the kids. I've never lost the back end in a turn,stepped hull, but it will turn hard enough to toss your wife to the floor if she's not holding on. There was a guy on OSO with user 90mphRage and he has some videos running his boat that fast and it seemed stable. Mine doesn't have external hydraulic steering and it really doesn't need it unless one plans on going faster than 75. Headed to the lake today with a bunch of kids to go wakeboarding. Not many boats out there that you can load up with eight folks wake board and still run above 65.

 

[rush1]

If service after sale has anything to do with choice hands down I'd take the Nordic ,my buddy bought a used early 2000 ' s heat and the Nordic crew in Havasu take amazing care of him and half the time don't charge and if they do its next to nothing .There a bunch of great guys over there :thumbup:

 

[XX14]

Yep wish I lived close enough take advantage of that. I live in Texas but even from afar Mike has done the sun deck and backseat upholestry and shipped it to me, answered numerous questions, and worked with Livorsi to help me get upgraded gauges with the serpent on them. Good lineage, good products, good service equals good resale.

 

[BHC Vic]

If service after sale has anything to do with choice hands down I'd take the Nordic ,my buddy bought a used early 2000 ' s heat and the Nordic crew in Havasu take amazing care of him and half the time don't charge and if they do its next to nothing .There a bunch of great guys over there :thumbup:

I hear that a lot about nordic [emoji106]

 

[FreeBird236]

Those are fast hulls I've got a 230 and don't get over 70 [emoji106]

You don't need to admit that, everything's 5 to 8 mph faster on the internet.

 

[BHC Vic]

You don't need to admit that, everything's 5 to 8 mph faster on the internet.

Oh well in that case after the tune I'll be in the 80's [emoji2]

 

[FreeBird236]

Oh well in that case after the tune I'll be in the 80's [emoji2]

I wouldn't push it, but at least mid to hi 70's...

 

[BHC Vic]

I wouldn't push it, but at least mid to hi 70's...

Realistically I'd be stoked if I hit 75 w the ECM tune [emoji4]

 

[Q4mtxUS]

Curious if any one has a new composite rage? How does it compare to a Howard 25 bullet? Ride, speed, cruddy ect... they look awesome.

I believe this is close to you...
http://www.captainsvillage.com/inventory/details.php?item=2014-nordic-rage-25

 

[RiverDave]

So what makes the Bullet smoother than the Rage? How does the Rage handle?

The bullet had a more aggressive entry then the Nordic and the keel at the mid ships is very aggressive. The angle is variable and gets shallower as it gets closer to the transom.

The Nordic runs the same degree vee from front to back.

That's why the Howard runs a little smoother. The Nordic has twice the room in it that the Howard does though. They feel very open and wide. The Nordic is also faster power for power.

It's all in what you are looking for in a boat.

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

I believe this is close to you...
http://www.captainsvillage.com/inventory/details.php?item=2014-nordic-rage-25

Yes it is close. I've gone and checked it out. Beautiful boat. But I want a closed bow.

 

[Gasnsuntanlotion]

The bullet had a more aggressive entry then the Nordic and the keel at the mid ships is very aggressive. The angle is variable and gets shallower as it gets closer to the transom.

The Nordic runs the same degree vee from front to back.

That's why the Howard runs a little smoother. The Nordic has twice the room in it that the Howard does though. They feel very open and wide. The Nordic is also faster power for power.

It's all in what you are looking for in a boat.

Room and speed! Sounds good to me! I'm trying to buy Tony wheelers 25 Bullet. Just ironing out some details. Should know tomorrow. Or I will wait till spring and order a Rage from our dealer. Thanks for your inpu!