Recession

[94Nautique]

Guaranteed to happen, will be the deepest of our lifetime. If you think shelves are empty now, buckle up cuz you have not seen shit.

fuck

 

[RodnJen]

Based on what?

 

[94Nautique]

Based on what?

Basic, economic logic. Everything is shutting down for a min of two weeks, likely 4 weeks.

This massive over reaction will end up hurting millions of people when the reality of the situation comes to light.

You can’t choke the system like this, and not somehow feel the effect. A ton of the local restaurants will likely close in the next month, for good. That’s just the start.

I’m praying I’m wrong, but top economists are now stating this obvious economic reality.

If U.S. restaurants, public spaces close in response to coronavirus, it 'will mean recession': El-Erian

The number of confirmed cases of the coronavirus reached 1,268 on Monday. Mohamed El-Erian, Allianz Chief Economic Adviser joins Yahoo Finance’s On The Move to discuss how the economic impact and more.

finance.yahoo.com

 

[KevinR]

Seems more like 9/11 than 2008.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Seems more like 9/11 than 2008.

Done by the same perps for the same and other reasons. 9/11 was the beginning of the quickening. This could be worse.

 

[The Phantom]

Corona is not the biggest problem, panic is the problem!!!!!!!

 

[94Nautique]

Will The Costs Of A Great Depression Outweigh Risks Of Coronavirus?

Federal and state governments are making a massive gamble about a little-understood new virus. They are betting our future as a nation.

thefederalist.com

The current gamble seems to be to shut down the nation indefinitely to suppress a virus that is especially deadly to some demographics and experts agree cannot be contained, only slowed. The New York Times claims the basis of many U.S. officials’ decisions so far is a report from Imperial College London, and other models that spit out similar results. It says to contain the virus it will be necessary to quarantine Americans for two- to three-month stretches repeatedly over the next 18 months.

The alternative, says the report, is 4 million Americans dead, half who would otherwise have lived but instead die for lack of medical capacity such as ventilators. If we merely quarantine sick people and those at risk, a “mitigation” strategy, it projects the U.S. death toll at about 2 million, again half from lack of ventilators, not depth of disease.


The thought of killing an economy to save a few thousand seems noble to the social warrior class, who have never really lived through tough times. I'm stunned at how many times people around me have said it we do this and it was an over reaction, thats ok since we saved some lives have no clue HOW MANY lives it will fuck in the near long term.

Sharyl Attkisson has gone through the U.S. deaths to March 17, and as in other countries they are overwhelmingly among the very elderly and people with pre-existing conditions. The entire population is not at severe risk from coronavirus — although we are at severe risk from a wrecked economy and welfare expansions beyond Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s wildest dreams.

As well, the left is really good at sloganeering: flatten the curve. Cool, so we flatten the curve and keep this thing around for decades. Awesome, the at risk people are still, you got it, AT FUCKING RISK. News flash, Quarantine for safety the ones at risk. As even the lowest intelligence SJW will admit, its not going to kill everyone. Ya, like it wont kill over 85% of us, and ya those 15% could kill the health care system. So again, lets get AHEAD of the curve, and protect the at risk. (having seen how against the left is to protecting our schools with armed guards, I have zero hope they'll understand this option) here's some stats. That science stuff that democrats love to spout.

For the millionth fucking time, we need leftists and democrats to get the fuck out of the way and let adults run the show. Cuz, real soon your boat will be worth firewood money. I would think we look at what is probably working to save lives, the Malaria drugs and pump those folks that are at risk and in the hospital especially those that are not getting a ventilator. Its like war-time medicine.

Oh, the other nifty facts the fear mongering left wont tell you are the amount of TRAINED personnel it takes to run the ventilators. Its not like your battery tender where you just plug it up to something and walk away, its more like 24/7 one : one.

But hell, you lefties totally know everything, sort of like my 18 year old kid, so you are in command.

fuck democrats

 

[squeezer]

Sounds like you are advocating for a rationing of care based on economic reasons.

What are you thinking? Some sort of panel that decides who dies...

 

[Dan Lorenze]

I would be stoked if the shut down were only 2-4 weeks. I'll take it.. I would be more worried if it were 2-4 months..

 

[94Nautique]

Sounds like you are advocating for a rationing of care based on economic reasons.

What are you thinking? Some sort of panel that decides who dies...

No, saying we should PROTECT the at risk so they DONT die from rationing. Keep up.

 

[The Phantom]

Sounds like you are advocating for a rationing of care based on economic reasons.

What are you thinking? Some sort of panel that decides who dies...

“ economic reasons”
So are you advocating no work, no money no food, and everything will be just fine?

 

[squeezer]

I’m not advocating anything... Just trying to figure out if this is a hoax invented by Democrats to take down trump or a global pandemic that requires extreme measures to limit its impacts...???

 

[spectras only]

Hoax or not, I'm reading this morning>
Coronavirus killing more than a person an hour in NYC.
The coronavirus killed city residents at a rate of more than one per hour on Friday.

Between just 10 a.m. and 6 p.m., 14 people in New York City died from the virus, pushing the Big Apple’s total death toll to 43.

 

[boatdoc55]

I’m not advocating anything... Just trying to figure out if this is a hoax invented by Democrats to take down trump or a global pandemic that requires extreme measures to limit its impacts...???

If you add China to this equation, YOU finally got something RIGHT!!!! Good for you, we knew you'd come around sometime.

 

[The Phantom]

I’m not advocating anything... Just trying to figure out if this is a hoax invented by Democrats to take down trump or a global pandemic that requires extreme measures to limit its impacts...???

I don’t believe the virus is a hoax. I know the Democrats hate Trump and will do anything they can to discredit him. Does Trump walk on water, of course not no man does.

 

[thetub]

what i dont get is how some people test positive and really just have flu like conditions and recover and get over it?

and some people get wiped out and die?

its weird

if you have underlying conditions like asthma or the way i understood older folks immune system actually goes into overdrive (overreacts) causing the body to overreact , which in return causes all the inflamation in the lungs?

 

[thetub]

and its obvious that by technical definition we are gonna be in a recession economy already contracted and is gonna for next few months...

doesnt take a genius to figure that out that you cut all commerce off like a light switch and there would be no affect .

i just hope a cure or vaccine comes sooner than later and people get back out and moving again and this blow over...

 

[94Nautique]

So in the 80’s another epidemic hit: AIDS. People quickly figured out that there was a high risk group, so they said quit fucking each other, or at least wear a condom. Then, people figured out it was not contagious if you did not have bodily fluid to blood contact.

Now, it seems we know there is an at risk population.Get THEM safe, and work like hell to find a cure. Malaria drugs look to be very promising, so make sure that production ramps and ramps fast. This is the prophylactic just like a rubber is for AIDS.

Focus on the fixable, don’t scorch earth during that process otherwise THE CURE will be worse than the illness.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I would be stoked if the shut down were only 2-4 weeks. I'll take it.. I would be more worried if it were 2-4 months..

I think the reason we are seeing 2-week shut downs is this; the economists and the immunologists are negotiation on how long the economy can be idled against lowering the number of infections.

I'm a dumb nobody but I say by the middle of April most restrictions will be lifted or less severe ones will be in place.

Hopefully the polls won't be as vindictive during the next recovery and the economy will be back up and humming in less than 10 years.

 

[94Nautique]

Coronavirus: Massachusetts Exempts Abortion from Elective Surgery Ban

Massachusetts is promoting abortion by exempting the procedure from the elective surgery ban during the coronavirus outbreak.

www.breitbart.com

But luckily, you can still kill babies during the pandemic in MA.

sick, mother fuckers

 

[94Nautique]

doesnt take a genius to figure that out that you cut all commerce off like a light switch and there would be no affect .

tell that to the liberal media.

 

[94Nautique]

what i dont get is how some people test positive and really just have flu like conditions and recover and get over it?

and some people get wiped out and die?

its weird

if you have underlying conditions like asthma or the way i understood older folks immune system actually goes into overdrive (overreacts) causing the body to overreact , which in return causes all the inflamation in the lungs?

It causes pneumonia. That’s what ultimately kills. A common cold can do the same thing to a person with bad lungs or immune system problems. Everyone else gets a fever and it kills the virus. This one has a potentially long period where you are contagious but not getting a fever. That’s the bad part.

 

[thetub]

and the next thing i see is the more of a push for national or government run health care , because of this...

that the privatized system failed and national system is needed to avoid these situations

just by Schumers little speech right now...

 

[94Nautique]

and the next thing i see is the more of a push for national or government run health care , because of this...

that the privatized system failed and national system is needed to avoid these situations

just by Schumers little speech right now...

I always know it’s 180 degrees wrong if it’s chuck shumer talking

 

[94Nautique]

Prevention Expert: Data Shows Our Fight Against Coronavirus May Be Worse Than The Disease | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Approach is probably not the best we could do given we know who’s at risk. But that was never the intent for the media and the low information voting block on the left...

 

[RCDave]

and the next thing i see is the more of a push for national or government run health care , because of this...

that the privatized system failed and national system is needed to avoid these situations

just by Schumers little speech right now...

It doesn't matter if the system is in it's current socialistic state or full blown commie. The virus doesn't give two shits who pays.

Long term, commie health care will lead to worse outcomes as there is less incentive for pharma or doctors to find leading edge cures. Less money... less incentive.....

 

[94Nautique]

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

When 13% of Americans believe they are currently infected with COVID-19 (mathematically impossible), full-on panic is blocking our ability to think clearly and determine how to deploy our resources to stop this virus. Over three-fourths of Americans are scared of what we are doing to our society through law and hysteria, not of infection or spreading COVID-19 to those most vulnerable.

The following article is a systematic overview of COVID-19 driven by data from medical professionals and academic articles that will help you understand what is going on (sources include CDC, WHO, NIH, NHS, University of Oxford, Stanford, Harvard, NEJM, JAMA, and several others). I’m quite experienced at understanding virality, how things grow, and data. In my vocation, I’m most known for popularizing the “growth hacking movement” in Silicon Valley that specializes in driving rapid and viral adoption of technology products. Data is data. Our focus here isn’t treatments but numbers. You don’t need a special degree to understand what the data says and doesn’t say. Numbers are universal.

 

[500bbc]

I’m not advocating anything... Just trying to figure out if this is a hoax invented by Democrats to take down trump or a global pandemic that requires extreme measures to limit its impacts...???

You already know the answer, just don't have the balls to admit it.

You fucking libturds are actually willing to cut your own throats due to TDS.

 

[Royally PO'd]

I just can't understand why they didn't finish Fuck Schumer's lobotomy ......

 

[94Nautique]

I just can't understand why they didn't finish Fuck Schumer's lobotomy ......

The other half is up his ass, the doc forgot to look there...

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[Racey]

Guaranteed to happen, will be the deepest of our lifetime. If you think shelves are empty now, buckle up cuz you have not seen shit.

fuck

If there is a deep recession shelves won't be empty for the simple fact that people will not have the money to empty them.....

 

[94Nautique]

If there is a deep recession shelves won't be empty for the simple fact that people will not have the money to empty them.....

Or make the stuff.

Not many people understand just how fragile our economy is.

Maybe 529.5 can splain this to the masses in his straightforward way.

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[94Nautique]

Stanford Physicians: COVID-19 Could Have Lower Mortality Rate Than Flu

Two professors of medicine at Stanford University have propose assumptions about the mortality rate of the coronavirus are deeply flawed.

www.breitbart.com

Some Stanford docs are digging into the data...

 

[YumaRivernaut]

What are you thinking? Some sort of panel that decides who dies...

Seems you and your ilk have that all tee'd up and ready to go...dontcha now?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Stanford Physicians: COVID-19 Could Have Lower Mortality Rate Than Flu

Two professors of medicine at Stanford University have propose assumptions about the mortality rate of the coronavirus are deeply flawed.

www.breitbart.com

Some Stanford docs are digging into the data...

Yea I have heard more and more doctors saying this. The kid that died from "COVID" up in Palmdale is a good example. Of course the media ran with it immediately. He tested positive after his death but had many underlying conditions, and now they don't believe COVID-19 was the ultimate cause of death.

So many dead were not tested so it is just assumed they had the virus, and so many people (unknown numbers) have the virus, recover and aren't tested.

The mortality rate of this thing is only going to drop.

 

[94Nautique]

Yea I have heard more and more doctors saying this. The kid that died from "COVID" up in Palmdale is a good example. Of course the media ran with it immediately. He tested positive after his death but had many underlying conditions, and now they don't believe COVID-19 was the ultimate cause of death.

So many dead were not tested so it is just assumed they had the virus, and so many people (unknown numbers) have the virus, recover and aren't tested.

The mortality rate of this thing is only going to drop.

exactly. would be ideal to test millions ASAP regardless of symptoms or not, to get a TRUE measure of the spread of the virus and a true data set on mortality and the profile of those at risk.

I just cant help but think this is really similar to the inital spread of the AIDS virus. Figure out how its transmitted, deal with those folks that easily transmit it, but more importantly GET THOSE AT RISK INTO SAFE PLACES. If its self healing in over 80% as the data has shown, why are we not just focusing on the at risk???

ugh, this just pisses me off so much, since so many people are listening to the emotional pleas, and chucking science out the window.

 

[RodnJen]

Good thing he’s got it under control.

“We’ve done more tests in eight days than South Korea has done in eight weeks,” Trump said during a March 24 virtual town hall hosted by Fox News, reiterating a statement made just moments before by Dr. Deborah Birx, the head of the White House coronavirus response. The statement was repeated during the White House briefing that evening.”

Trump’s Boast About U.S., South Korea Coronavirus Testing Misses The Mark - KFF Health News

The president’s statement frames the data in a way that doesn’t accurately represent the status of the American response to COVID-19.

khn.org

 

[AzMandella]

Good thing he’s got it under control.

“We’ve done more tests in eight days than South Korea has done in eight weeks,” Trump said during a March 24 virtual town hall hosted by Fox News, reiterating a statement made just moments before by Dr. Deborah Birx, the head of the White House coronavirus response. The statement was repeated during the White House briefing that evening.”

Trump’s Boast About U.S., South Korea Coronavirus Testing Misses The Mark - KFF Health News

The president’s statement frames the data in a way that doesn’t accurately represent the status of the American response to COVID-19.

khn.org

Do you even read what you post . Yes he said "more" . How many more ? 1 maybe ? Yet your own link says "The CDC has not put out comprehensive data on this. But independent work on the subject suggests the comparison is flawed. In eight days, the United States performed almost as many tests as South Korea did in eight weeks, but not necessarily more. " Pretty close to being true it seems . But of course if he's off a little that still makes him a liar in your book .

 

[The Phantom]

Or make the stuff.

Not many people understand just how fragile our economy is.

Maybe 529.5 can splain this to the masses in his straightforward way.

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Perhaps 530 RL will explain. He is always good for a laugh.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Perhaps 530 RL will explain. He is always good for a laugh.

Maybe he'll answer my question while he's at it.

 

[The Phantom]

Maybe he'll answer my question while he's at it.

I seriously doubt he’ll answer any questions he is known as a rabble-rouser / hit and run poster.

 

[94Nautique]

I seriously doubt he’ll answer any questions he is known as a rabble-rouser / hit and run poster.

I don’t think he runs. The posts show he probably has and had absolutely zero athleticism.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

I don’t think he runs. The posts show he probably has and had absolutely zero athleticism.

If one counts TDS pretzelizing as a sport, then he's definitely the undisputed heavyweight champ.

 

[94Nautique]

News flash, 9.9 MILLION people filed for unemployment in the last two weeks.

Is anyone worried about THOSE 10 million people, or are we still going Gaga to make sure everyone stays home?

Protect those at risk, and let the freakin world get back to work, else we’re in for millions of people starving to death. Awesome.

 

[Royally PO'd]

The medical profession hasn't a clue about the economy, apparently.......As with a lot of drugs, the side effects are worse than the disease...

 

[94Nautique]

The medical profession hasn't a clue about the economy, apparently.......As with a lot of drugs, the side effects are worse than the disease...

Worse than that, I saw a study recently that was based SOLELY on data on China, from the Chinese govt. Might as well have used data from martians, or cartoons, same degree of quality. Amazing

 

[94Nautique]

Based on what?

Stephen Moore on Coronavirus Impact: 'We Are Facing a Potential Great Depression Scenario'

Sunday on New York AM 970 radio's "The Cats Roundtable," economist Stephen Moore weighed in on the potential impact of the coronavirus to the United States economy. | Clips

www.breitbart.com

 

[RodnJen]

Stephen Moore on Coronavirus Impact: 'We Are Facing a Potential Great Depression Scenario'

Sunday on New York AM 970 radio's "The Cats Roundtable," economist Stephen Moore weighed in on the potential impact of the coronavirus to the United States economy. | Clips

www.breitbart.com

He‘s right. Where he falls short is suggesting what those “smart policies” might be. You can’t just flip a switch at this stage, or maybe you can but at what cost?

 

[94Nautique]

He‘s right. Where he falls short is suggesting what those “smart policies” might be. You can’t just flip a switch at this stage, or maybe you can but at what cost?

Actually, yes, you can just flip the switch. You tell at risk people to REALLY hunker down, then you tel the country to GET BACK at it. As dumb as it sounds, it’s like an airplane on the runway, gas it or you risk rolling off the runway and wadding the thing up.

 

[RodnJen]

Actually, yes, you can just flip the switch. You tell at risk people to REALLY hunker down, then you tel the country to GET BACK at it. As dumb as it sounds, it’s like an airplane on the runway, gas it or you risk rolling off the runway and wadding the thing up.

My guess is the families of the medical personnel and first responders who have passed would see it differently.