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I received a call from my good friend Steve last night about giving him a hand installing a few "Top Hats" today.

When the Top Hat system came out roughly 10 years ago Steve and I worked with one of the first systems that came to the U.S. We worked all over the country installing Top Hats for a few years before I decided to leave the trenchless Pipeline industry. Meanwhile, Steve stuck with the innovative technology and helped improve the system over the years until he decided to venture out on his own and start Robotic Sewer Solutions.

For years the only way to fix broken sewer lines was to dig up the ground and replace them. Well someone got smart and developed a trench less pipeline system. Basically
it is a cure in place liner that is installed inside the existing pipe and inflated with air which causes it to form to the existing pipe and is cured with hot steam. There's a catalyst in the liner that "kicks off" when exposed to heat.


After the curing process is complete a company will use a robotic cutting system to cut out each house or business line connection.

This is where the Top Hat comes into play. Often times there's a annular space between the new liner and the host pipe which allows for roots and ground water infiltration at the later connection.

What the Top hat does seals this point of connection with a brim inside the city main and extends lateral roughly 1' up the lateral connection, sealing up any voids and cracks.

The materials are 100% fiberglass with a UV cure vinyl ester resin that hardens in 7 minutes. I took some pictures of the installation process....
 

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Tapatalk won't let me upload pictures right now... Network error. POS ...SMH
 

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I always wondered what it looked like after you told me about it. Looking forward to seeing the pics when you get them up.
 

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cool stuff Mike I'm very familiar with trench less tech and have relined quite a few Use todo rehab also Biggest was 120 inch That's a lot of shit
 

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Crawler, with cutting head

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Camera view of the protruding lateral line or service connection. Orange box is the controls for the crawler.

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Grinding excess liner away

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Almost completed

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After completion we went back in with a brush head to clean up the bonding surface area...

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Now it is time to install the Top Hat...
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The installation bladder :D

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Inverted "dick"

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Top Hat material

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View from inner camera to make sure the service has clear un obstructed passage. Also to make sure the material did not bunch up.
 

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Top hat installed .

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Sectional repair at UCLA is next...
 

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I'll most likely be having this done at my house within the next month or so due to a blockage somewhere between the house and street. What should I expect the liner install and root grinding to set me back?
 

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I'll most likely be having this done at my house within the next month or so due to a blockage somewhere between the house and street. What should I expect the liner install and root grinding to set me back?

Some where around 4 million dollars, give or take a few, only an estimate don't hold me to it.:D
 

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A clay joint was starting to separate so we installed a sectional repair using the same process as the Top Hat.

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Does great work ;)
 

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I'll most likely be having this done at my house within the next month or so due to a blockage somewhere between the house and street. What should I expect the liner install and root grinding to set me back?

Where are you located and do you have a clean out already ? If you don't , you need to have a clean out to install the liner. Don't quote me but I would say around 1000.00 I can get you a hard number and a good contractor if you are interested .
 

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Is it a fabric impregnated and B staged or just a catalyzed resin that you go back and grind out?

edit: went back and read process and answered my own question
 
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I'll most likely be having this done at my house within the next month or so due to a blockage somewhere between the house and street. What should I expect the liner install and root grinding to set me back?

You say between the house and street. Do you mean house and property line? Have someone run a push camera and locator down the line from the cleanout just outside the house. They can see the problem and pinpoint the location. If it's in your yard it will be easier/cheaper to dig it up. If it's under hardscape there are options as well. If you find the problem is from prop line to the main then you will have to call the sewer dept and convince them the prob is theirs. Lately the depts. are trying to say prop to main is homeowners responsibility but that is bullshit in my opinion.:)
 

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Is it a fabric impregnated and B staged or just a catalyzed resin that you go back and grind out?


Fiberglass impregnated with a UV catalyzed resin . The spot repair is woven and the Top Hat is mat and chopped fiberglass I believe. Once it adheres to the host pipe there is nothing to grind out.
 
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You say between the house and street. Do you mean house and property line? Have someone run a push camera and locator down the line from the cleanout just outside the house. They can see the problem and pinpoint the location. If it's in your yard it will be easier/cheaper to dig it up. If it's under hardscape there are options as well. If you find the problem is from prop line to the main then you will have to call the sewer dept and convince them the prob is theirs. Lately the depts. are trying to say prop to main is homeowners responsibility but that is bullshit in my opinion.:)

:thumbsup: spot on. I'd still put in a liner though, no joints and roots will never penetrate the liner. Once installed.
 

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Where are you located and do you have a clean out already ? If you don't , you need to have a clean out to install the liner. Don't quote me but I would say around 1000.00 I can get you a hard number and a good contractor if you are interested .

No clean out that I'm aware of on the main line to sewer :( Either way, please send me a PM with contact info for a good plumbing contractor in the Phoenix area, East valley. Need to get this done one way or another.

You say between the house and street. Do you mean house and property line? Have someone run a push camera and locator down the line from the cleanout just outside the house. They can see the problem and pinpoint the location. If it's in your yard it will be easier/cheaper to dig it up. If it's under hardscape there are options as well. If you find the problem is from prop line to the main then you will have to call the sewer dept and convince them the prob is theirs. Lately the depts. are trying to say prop to main is homeowners responsibility but that is bullshit in my opinion.:)

Yes, pretty sure blockage is under the front yard somewhere within property line. Haven't had a camera down there to pinpoint it yet, but the plumber that cleared it a few weeks ago through a roof vent measured the snake length before it got snagged up on what I assume is a root so I have a good idea where it's at. The next step is definitely a camera to scope it out and see exactly what I'm dealing with.

Appreciate the info! I'm normally a DIY'er but this shit (literally) is outside my zone.
 

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No clean out that I'm aware of on the main line to sewer :( Either way, please send me a PM with contact info for a good plumbing contractor in the Phoenix area, East valley. Need to get this done one way or another.



Yes, pretty sure blockage is under the front yard somewhere within property line. Haven't had a camera down there to pinpoint it yet, but the plumber that cleared it a few weeks ago through a roof vent measured the snake length before it got snagged up on what I assume is a root so I have a good idea where it's at. The next step is definitely a camera to scope it out and see exactly what I'm dealing with.

Appreciate the info! I'm normally a DIY'er but this shit (literally) is outside my zone.

First order of business is to have a clean out installed . If you are a DIY'er it is pretty easy to do. Hardest part is digging IMO. That and locating the Pipe. Have a plumber locate the pipe for you and then you can install the clean out yourself. :thumbup:
 

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The operator can push a locator down the same roof vent, pick it up with his wand in the yard and pinpoint the lateral and mark it out on the ground in your yard. Then knowing where it is at you can dig down and install a cleanout. That is your first step. What kind of tree is it? And are you fond of it? It could happen again as the tree grows. Once you camera it you will know why , where and what kind of material (sewer lateral) you are dealing with.:thumbsup
 

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First order of business is to have a clean out installed . If you are a DIY'er it is pretty easy to do. Hardest part is digging IMO. That and locating the Pipe. Have a plumber locate the pipe for you and then you can install the clean out yourself. :thumbup:

Doesn't sound too bad. I can deal with a little digging before it gets too hot out here.

The operator can push a locator down the same roof vent, pick it up with his wand in the yard and pinpoint the lateral and mark it out on the ground in your yard. Then knowing where it is at you can dig down and install a cleanout. That is your first step. What kind of tree is it? And are you fond of it? It could happen again as the tree grows. Once you camera it you will know why , where and what kind of material (sewer lateral) you are dealing with.:thumbsup

Will get a plumber with a camera out to see exactly what we're dealing with. No idea what kind of tree it is and I won't miss it.

Appreciate the help!:thumbsup
 
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